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mellinatre

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Mercy and Stefan Blood Bond
« on: February 11, 2015, 04:40:47 am »
What do you think about this bond with our favorite vampire?

I personally have the same opinion about this matter as Adam, when he said that she'll stay bonded only 'till she want to stay bonded...I know that he have talked like that when he was pretty upset for everything but it ringed like a true statement from him, not only a chip way to stay in position of power in front of the vampires at that moment


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Re: Mercy and Stefan Blood Bond
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2015, 10:34:10 am »
"Chip"?

To the best of knowledge by Stephan, and several other people with more-than-mortal lifespans, she's stuck.
Now, as a daughter of Coyote, she might bypass what they 'know', but I'm skeptical.
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Re: Mercy and Stefan Blood Bond
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2015, 10:45:54 am »
cheap....sorry english is not my mother language not even my second best, so yep this will not be the only time that I misspelled something here...hope you all be able to understand me just fine all the same

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Re: Mercy and Stefan Blood Bond
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2015, 10:51:18 am »
I recognize that it's not your first language, and like many "Eurogs" you have trouble with our ("Our" being the speakers of variations of English) daft language.
 If you want help, let me know; if not, I'll stick to being third caveman in private and not say anything. :)

It occurred to me after I'd posted that 'cheap' was probably the word you meant, but thought I'd wait and see if you meant "apparently cheerful" instead.
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Re: Mercy and Stefan Blood Bond
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2015, 11:20:01 am »
please feel free to correct me and ask for explanations every time, because it is always useful to know when I am saying something in the wrong way  :D :D :D so I can do better next time


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Re: Mercy and Stefan Blood Bond
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2015, 04:11:47 pm »
I may send you some PMs later about "have" vs. "had" vs. "has", then.  That's the one that's sticking in my craw. ;)
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Re: Mercy and Stefan Blood Bond
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2015, 02:49:56 am »
italian verbs are so much more complex but I seems to be doomed to don't quite well understand how english ones works...no matter how long I study them sorry  :(

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Re: Mercy and Stefan Blood Bond
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2015, 09:49:26 am »
It's a daft language, English.  I have people who grew up in it who don't get it, you're doing great. 
But we're off topic.  I'll PM you later.
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Re: Mercy and Stefan Blood Bond
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2015, 01:05:52 pm »
At first I thought it was permanent but then I remembered Coyote saying change the rules when she was trying to save Adam and the pack from the silver. Mercy doesn't generally fall under the same category as anybody else so there could be changes. So now I don't know.......

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Re: Mercy and Stefan Blood Bond
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2015, 01:10:25 am »
I believe Mercy can cut the blood bond if she really want to and try really hard. And if it doesn't work I believe Coyote will be happy to help her, with his opinion of vampires I don't think it will be hard to talk him into helping.  ;). Also in Night Broken Coyote said something about the Walking Stick being able to cut bonds. Maybe it can help Mercy if she needs to cut the blood bond.

However maybe Mercy don't have to cut the bond if Stefan understand to just stay friends with Mercy. Maybe the blood bond can end up saving Mercy and protect her from the bad people. bOuNcY
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Re: Mercy and Stefan Blood Bond
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2015, 01:52:14 pm »
I don't really see any reason why Mercy would need to try and get rid on the blood bond.

As Adam said in Night Broken, it's been there for a while now, and Stefan has never used it except to help Mercy.

And if it's not causing problems, why worry about getting rid of it, especially when it seems that there's no easy or obvious way to do so, if it's even possible at all.

Really, it's actually advantageous for Mercy to keep the blood bond, because it allows her try and call Stefan in and/or communicate with him telepathically if she needs to, and more importantly, it blocks other vampires who might try to force their own blood bond on Mercy, like Blackwood did.


        

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Re: Mercy and Stefan Blood Bond
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2015, 04:08:22 pm »
I'd tend to agree, Itsy-Cat; "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
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Re: Mercy and Stefan Blood Bond
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2015, 12:05:11 pm »
I don't like at all the open/blind spot that this blood bond give to Mercy...more than once Stefan have told her that vampires like Marsilia or Wulfe are strong enough to be able to take that bond and tie her to them trough him

for me it was clear at the end of Night Broken that mostly Stefan don't go back to his Seethe because he doesn't want to put Mercy in that kind of danger, also if him seems not opposed to the idea of forgive his mistress...I understand that right now the bond is all good but I think that is a dangerous kind of bond just the same because I don't think that Stefan have in himself to stay a solitary vampire for the rest of their existence, and the only thing that make Mercy now secure in this connection is that Stefan right now is not bonded to Marsilia

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Re: Mercy and Stefan Blood Bond
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2015, 04:07:23 pm »
Okay... how about Stephan sets up his own Seethe?  Take over Spokane now the Monster's not there?  He's got that one guy who's on the verge of turning already...
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Re: Mercy and Stefan Blood Bond
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2015, 11:49:36 pm »
That about Mercy make Stefan a pack member like with Joel. I think that will really send the werewolves into caos  LOL It also sound like something Mercy would do ;D Can you imagine a vampire in a pack of werewolves?
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Re: Mercy and Stefan Blood Bond
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2015, 04:38:52 am »
I am not sure that 2 Sheete can stay in the same territory, vampires strong enough to stay alone have usually a territory all for themselves (James Blackwood and Thomas Hao have been an example of that)...for how things seem to works there vampires are as territorial as werewolves so I think that right now what is suspending any kind of confrontation between Marsilia and him is the fact that she is waiting for him to come back into the fold

Interesting and actually unexpected point of view Nille but as much as I found the idea intriguing I don't think something like that happen for real, Darryl is second and we have all saw how he dislike vampires (Stefan included)..been him second in the pack I think that he is not the only one that feel like him about vampires of any kind...and also if we like Stefan I don't think vampires have the kind of mind setting that could make them interact with pack bonds in the right way....sheets works a lot different than packs and that is because they need different things to stay together

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Re: Mercy and Stefan Blood Bond
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2015, 11:29:21 am »
I doubt even Mercy could make Stefan a pack member, since with her, she was close enough to werewolf (as a supernatural, shapeshifting canine, I guess) for the pack magic to let her in, and Joel is also a supernatural shapeshifting canine, so he could join too... but humans can't join, and stefan is a vampire Not a shapeshifter, and not even technically alive, so he's probably even further from werewolf than a human.

I think, didn't Bernard mention something about it being possible for two vampires to exist at the same power level in the same territory/seethe if they had a strong connection/loved each other? So with Stefan and Marsilla, maybe their connection is strong enough that Stefan can exist within Marsilla's territory indefinately without him having to submit to her authority.
Or there was that character in 'Gray', I think it was, who got an agreement with the master of the Chicago seethe to be allowed to exist within the same territory, separate from his seethe, in a formal agreement, after she'd freed him by killing his former master.
So I think it can happen.

And with the possibility of Marsilla or Wulfe taking the bond between Mercy and Stefan, and that whole thing where Blackwood couldn't take it because it was too strong, and bonds formed by choice being stronger than those that are forced on someone, and the whole thing with Wulfe asking Mercy if he could drink from her, and Stefan telling her never to LET him bite her...
From all that, I got the impression that Wulfe and Marsilla could only take the blood bond Stefan has with Mercy if she willingly allowed them to bite her, because it's otherwise too strong.
And even if that's incorrect, I still think it would be even easier for them to get a blood bond with Mercy if she wasn't tied to any other vampire at all (again, look at what happened with Blackwood.)
Still, ultimately, I don't think Marsilla or Wulfe would seriously try to force Mercy to become blood bonded with them because they know about the werewolves, and Bran.
        

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Re: Mercy and Stefan Blood Bond
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2015, 04:28:28 pm »
Hard to tell what Wulfe wants, he's pretty crazy.  I don't think Marsillia wants Mercy bonded to her, she wants Mercy dead. After suffering sufficient torment, of course.

You're right that the "Gray" story did have the formal agreement for one unaffiliated vampire to exist in the territory of another Seethe - like Samuel's existence in the Columbia Basin pack territory, but I think that Marsillia or Wulfe, on her behalf, might try to pressure Stephan by rescinding that.
At that point, he could exert his own sort of pressure by going to Spokane.  He might not want to have a full fledged Seethe, but he does have that one guy on the cusp, and it gets him further away from Mercy, too.  Less stress on his crush on her, I'd think.   Also he isn't right there when she's doing things that bring her to the brink of death.
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Re: Mercy and Stefan Blood Bond
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2015, 09:35:55 am »
I love Stefan he's one of my favorite characters. I can't remember the exact words Mercy used in Night Broken, but wasn't it along the lines of her liking the bond she has with Stefan or something? I hope they keep their bond and it grows stronger, I think Stefan needs his bond to Mercy that it helps him hold onto his humanity, it shows the man he is, he was already different from quite a few other vamps kind of like Thomas Hao, but this makes him more different I think, that he doesn't take advantage of the bond. It also instills their friendship on a deeper level. I think if Mercy really wanted out of the bond her coyote part would find a loophole, but it isn't too concerning. I think her bond with the pack who don't want her and have made attempts to push her out or play with her is more harmful that the bond she has with Stefan.

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Re: Mercy and Stefan Blood Bond
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2015, 09:47:19 am »
Mercy's pretty tangled in bonds.  Mate bond, Columbia Basin pack bond, Stephan bond, Samuel & Mercy pack bond, then the less formal/visible bonds of her blood family, and the people she likes/loves outside that, Jesse, Gabriel, Zee & Tad, Tony, Sylvia & her girls...
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Re: Mercy and Stefan Blood Bond
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2015, 12:35:12 pm »
True, we haven't see the use of Mercy's bond with Sam for awhile I wonder if it will come up again?

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Re: Mercy and Stefan Blood Bond
« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2019, 11:22:34 am »
Okay... how about Stephan sets up his own Seethe?  Take over Spokane now the Monster's not there?  He's got that one guy who's on the verge of turning already...
I don’t think that Stefan wants his own seethe and he wants to stay near Mercy.
In SF Patty offers a different solution for Stefan’s fledgling Ford:
Kocourek`s seethe mind be a good place for Ford, Stefan’s sheep, after Stefan changed him.
The sheeps Stefan has chanced, before Marcilia tortured them, life in Marcilia`s seethe, but neither Ford nor Stefan would trust Marcilia enough to put vampire-Ford in her seethe.