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Will Christy stay?
« on: February 10, 2015, 08:39:15 am »
I think that we haven't see the end of Christy unfortunately  >:(

she is so annoying but it's actually funny to read how much she can be self-centered and mean in a "poor me" kinda of way

she haven't actually caused so many problems to Mercy and Adam yet so I think that "Night Broken" was only the very tip of the iceberg...and we need to prepare ourself for what she will plan next..now that she seems so much in love again with Adam

and I can't wait to discover what have made Adam so mad with her finally at the end of this book...it can be that he have heard about how Christy was wishing for Mercy's death but something tell me that it can be for something even more outrageous...maybe she have tried to "confort" him when Mercy was in her coma?..I wouldn't put past her a behavior like that  :P

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Re: Will Christy stay?
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2015, 09:55:25 am »
I didn't get the impression during the hospital scenes that Adam was any more angry at Christy than he'd been (and he was deadly furious) whle she was playing her power games when Mercy was fighting for her life in the garage.
I wouldn't be shocked if she did try to re-settle in the neighborhood again, "home", but maybe she'd live in town, at a decent remove from Mercy & Adam's house/pack central.
After all, per the reason Adam was home so much during "Night Broken", Christy didn't feel safe among werewolves undiluted by his presence. :-whistle
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Re: Will Christy stay?
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2015, 11:27:54 am »
Uhmmm I don't know I felt like Adam was a lot more angry with Christy than ever... the part that say

<<"....As for Christy-" His skin next to mine flushed, and his eyes lightened to amber for just a moment.....>>

I can be wrong but I think that this is actually the first time that we see Adam so mad with his ex-wife to the point that his eyes change color

the other part of my hypothesis was due to his flushed skin, not sure if it was due to anger and it could totally be possible, but we have read a lot of times about how Adam flush all embarrassed with Mercy (and I find it so sweet by the way)...so I thought that maybe Christy have been inappropriate in some way to make him all red.

Christy surely will feel more comfortable around werewolves if this is more convenient for her like everything else....so for me she will stay with her soooooooooo good friend Auriele for some time, so the two of them plus Mary Jo can gang up better against Mercy in a mean girls kind of way  :-whistle
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Re: Will Christy stay?
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2015, 12:45:00 pm »
Good point about the convenience of Christy's fear of weres. Regarding Adam's physical signs of anger, however, I think Mercy wasn't physically present to see them before, as those conversations happened over the phone.

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Re: Will Christy stay?
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2015, 10:17:07 pm »
You're both right about "the convenience of Christy's fear of weres" I believe. ;)  But without the danger to her, Adam's not going to pander to it.  Then if she goes to Auriele or Mary Jo, or even Honey, who doesn't seem to like her as much...(Isn't MJ with Honey anyway?) - well, that should put paid to that particular conceit pretty quickly, eh?  Even with the folks she usually twists around her thumb.

Hmm.  What heterosexual male do we know of in the TriCity area who we dislike enough to wish Christy onto?
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Re: Will Christy stay?
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2015, 03:11:01 am »
Well at the end of Night Broken, Adam say that she stay with Auriele for the moment and I don't think that she will disappear for book number 9 without something more happen with her...if it was so Adam would have said that she was already gone back home no?

for sure Adam wouldn't do a thing to help her but that doesn't mean that Christy have lost the power to make problems for the pack..that was what Mercy was worried about and nothing major have happened yet in the power struggle pyramid of the pack caused by her.. :-\

Honey would stay away from her for sure because she doesn't like her at all, so yep for me the cliques of mean girls will be formed by Auriele, Mary Jo and Christy

what do you say about a BFA or CNTRP agent???? (the stupid one that have tried to fake arrest Mercy to make her the pet of that big shot governor hopefully)

but I fear that Christy have specific requirements for her men like they have to human and only human and naturally they need to be rich enough, if he is also powerful enough to "compete" with Adam is better surely, probably better looking than Adam so she "win" over Marcy, younger than her but not so much younger looking that she will feel insecure of her own beauty...uhmmmmm no one ring a bell to me that have this kind of qualities yet...maybe in a future book will arrive a single, powerful, young, slimy politician just for her  LOL

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Re: Will Christy stay?
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2015, 09:52:13 am »
Personally I don't trust anything that Christy says. I mean she says she's afraid of werewolves, but isn't that part of the reason she went after Mr. Rich and handsome monster man? I mean she slept with in and chased him the first time she noticed him without knowing anything else at all, and yes she has done this with any number of other men, but she thought he was a werewolf and still persisted. That's why she mentioned Adams name and the fact she was married to an alpha to help keep his attention and impress him. So she can't be all that scared. Especially when she ignored him instead of being upfront that she didn't want to date or see him, she was with that Troy guy what like a day later, who the god ended up killing, and she didn't seem that broken up about it. She also went out with the girls of the wolf pack and didn't seem scared to be around those monsters, and had Adam stay home with her after she told him she was scared of him and what he is basically disgusts her.

I don't think we've seen the last of Christy, she seems to bring out the worst side in everyone she's around and has them sitting at her feet like puppy dogs with their tongues hanging out. I wouldn't put it past her at all to have bad a physical move on Adam, she was alone with him in the house, had his phone, showed in their old bedroom several times when he was just home, my only thing would be if Adam would mention it to Mercy. Mercy wouldn't like it but after Night Broken I doubt she'd do or maybe even really say anything about it because she doesn't want anyone jumping down her throat and causing more trouble, or start anything with Christy. I think Christy might stay and cause more trouble within the pack and Mercy, since she said she left Adam because he would never have left her maybe she thinks if Mercy was out of the picture she'd be back in, she was back in the picture playing his wife when Mercy was around. Or maybe she thinks her history with Adam will bring him back to her if she keeps sharing stories of when they were together that he also enjoyed, he definitely didn't really push her off. She can even use Jesse the fact that have a daughter together and play the mommy friend role, and tell Adam she wants to spend time together more as a family for their daughter.

Or take an interest in the pack and their secrets and give them away, make a deal with other supernaturals. Christy can also use Mary Jo and Auriele, since they seem to do almost anything for her, and make plans with them. Mary Jo has done it before, to push Mercy even further out.

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Re: Will Christy stay?
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2015, 10:51:10 am »
Does anyone think there will come a point in the series where Christy will ask Adam or someone else to turn her? I know she acts afraid of them at times and calls them all monsters, but does anyone think she might be jealous of the whole not aging thing? I don't know how much Adam told her or how much she's learned about them, probably not that they're immortal, but I don't really put it past her. She probably knows they are long lived and heal quickly, also that none of them are unattractive they're physically fit. I think she would want to stay young, gain power not just through who her ex is or money, and she uses her looks and physical beauty of others is important to her also, so it seems she'd want to keep her own. I don't think Adam would ever want to turn her or consider it, but she seems able to make him do anything she wants, as Jesse and Adam both told Mercy. She could also learn all their secrets and if he refused to turn her threaten exposure.

It seems she might be sticking around for the long haul, does anyone think she will keep trying to get between Mercy, Adam, and the pack it doesn't seem like she's the giving up type or accepts any sort of rejection. I wonder if she will keep playing a role and showing up more and more throughout the series?

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Re: Will Christy stay?
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2015, 11:28:17 pm »
Uh, this a terrible thought. She is such a manipulative thing - but remember, females are very rare because they often don't have the strenght to survive the turning process. Would she risk that? And there is no guarantee to became that early young and fresh she would like to be.
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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2015, 09:16:08 am »
I think she might risk it, maybe not so early on in her life but later? When she doesn't have so much to lose? I mean otherwise she'll just continue to age until eventually come to an end of the human life cycle. Rather than growing old and watching Adam's happiness with his wife, she might take the risk to become the younger beautiful version of herself hoping that Mercy will continue to age she'll have a greater chance of re-catching Adam's attention. Christy is vain and Adam once went for the very type of woman she is, her looks and wants included. I don't think it's too far of a stretch. And if Adam refuses and the small chance that she can't coerce him, maybe she'll find someone else. Someone who might neglect to tell her the slim chance of a female making it through the change because they also believe the risk is worth it. She's manipulative but not the smartest person. For whatever reason more intelligent characters fall to her whims an wishes regardless if they know she's lying or playing/using them, so she doesn't really need to be.

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Re: Will Christy stay?
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2015, 03:45:13 am »
I hope Christy leaves. She is such a trouble maker. I've got to say however, that the scene where it mentions Adam pays for Christy's upkeep (phone bill, rent, etc) really angered me. I know Adam is an alpha who protects those he feels responsible for but to me it is so disrespectful to Mercy. Mercy is his wife not Christy. I know she is the mother to his daughter but she made the choice to leave not Adam. Adam paid a settlement in the divorce and that should be the end of it unless Jesse was living with her then Adam would pay towards Jesse. In this case Jesse lives with her dad. Christy needs to grow up and take responsibility for her own choices and actions. If she does decide to stay in the tri-cities I can only hope Adam puts a stop to the upkeep and forces Christy to grow up.

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Re: Will Christy stay?
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2015, 09:02:00 am »
Good point there, Midnight; Christy hasn't grown up, has she? 
Forcing her to deal with her own finances is something I'd foresee as having one of 2 results:
1. Actually growing up emotionally.  This doesn't strike me as likely.  Christy likes things easy.
2. Finding another way to get someone else to pay for/take care of her.
A new 'sugar daddy' would be simple and fairly logical, except that Christy might now want more freedom than she's apt to get as such a 'trophy wife/kept woman'. 
Alternatively, she could go for 'werewolf expert' and dole out whatever she's learned in the past 20 years.
--and this, my children, would include the names and faces of everyone in the Columbia Basin Pack.
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Re: Will Christy stay?
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2015, 04:12:46 pm »
Alternatively, she could go for 'werewolf expert' and dole out whatever she's learned in the past 20 years.
--and this, my children, would include the names and faces of everyone in the Columbia Basin Pack.

And the fact that Mercy is definitely some other sort of supernatural/non-human, though she's not exactly sure what Mercy is, just that she's something weird? That might, to Christy, seem like a good way to get back at Mercy.
        

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Re: Will Christy stay?
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2015, 06:59:32 am »
Realistically, a lot of well-off spouses pay alimony as long as the ex doesn't remarry, whether there are children or not. If you add up all the services a stay at home spouse provides, with child care the US average comes to about $85,000 annually. That will be higher in some markets and lower in others. So in the years a spouse does not work outside the home, they are generally providing a certain amount of unpaid labor in coordinating school and medical appointments, chauffeuring, cooking and so forth even if they have a cleaning service and some babysitting. Whether we like Christy or not, this has value. Alimony may not be high enough to keep a divorcee in the style to which she was accustomed, but it's not necessarily unfair either. That time outside the paid workforce carries a very significant penalty when you go looking for a job. Don't let Christy's character flaws blind you completely to these considerations.

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Re: Will Christy stay?
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2015, 08:48:09 pm »
I just see Christy as a pawn to be used as a hostage in the future. But, like Mellinatre, I too got the impression that while Mercy was in a coma, Christy done screwed up big time.
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Re: Will Christy stay?
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2015, 04:17:06 pm »
At the end of Night Broken didn't Mercy ask Stefan to teleport Christy out of harms way while she stayed behind to fight the volcano god? I wonder if Christy just thought him fae or is she now knows about vampires which will cause a problem in the future?

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« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2015, 02:03:53 pm »
At the end of Night Broken didn't Mercy ask Stefan to teleport Christy out of harms way while she stayed behind to fight the volcano god? I wonder if Christy just thought him fae or is she now knows about vampires which will cause a problem in the future?

She already knows about vampires though.
When they were talking about why she didn't tell them that her stalker wasn't human, and she said she thought he was a werewolf, she said something about the fae being 'locked up where they belong' and stated that he wasn't a vampire, and therefore she thought he was a werewolf because she didn't know there was anything else out there (I don't remember the exact quote or where about in the book it was, but she said something along those lines, anyway.)
Still, she might have been surprised about the teleportation thing, whether or not she realised Stefan was a vampire.
        

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Re: Will Christy stay?
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2015, 05:31:29 pm »
in the first book Adam had to retrieve his daughter after Christy abandoned her over the thanksgiving holiday to party with a man she just met.  I don't see Christy ever gating back into Adams good graces and I am pretty sure that she knows it..  that does not stop her being a problem ... the next problem I see is Christy dating another alpha werewolf and causing  problems in that way.

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« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2015, 09:29:34 am »
Christy has abandoned Jesse a lot, I remember she left for Vegas when Jesse was 12 without even telling her. And Mercy has made a comment about wondering how many times Jesse has walked in on her mother with men and what her mothers response was. Adam is an alpha and Mercy has said they don't come more dominant and possessive then him, yet Jesse has been repeated harmed by her mothers neglect. Especially when one of her boy friends climbed into Jesse's bed when she was younger and Adam didn't hear about it till years later, something could of easily happened to Jesse with how her mother has acted over the years it's lucky that it didn't, but as a parent sometimes you have to protect your child from their mother or father when they are doing or not doing something that could put their child in harms way. The most Adam has done in the regard is come get Jesse, keep her over the summer. Though I guess the other side of that is Mercy and Adam are often in the middle of dangerous situations and Jesse of course is there, though not directly involved of late and she has guards.

I'm not completely sure Christy is the type to get the message Adam would never leave Mercy, her ego might not allow for it. All those years spent with Adam he protected her from seeing what werewolves truly are, so she doesn't really understand them except that they are all monsters she seems to despise even when they can be of use to her. She even told Mercy she wishes she was dead, and the fact that she came home to Adam's and so easily took over her role as wife and mother, with Adam yielding to her. Mercy losing weight and his offer she goes and stays at Kyles. Christy keeping Adam's phone and him wondering why Mercy just didn't leave a message with his ex wife, which nearly got Mercy killed. Mercy sticking up for Adam when Christy attacked him in front of the pack and Adam telling Mercy "as long as you understand none of this is her fault". Christy telling Adam she loves him and him saying "thank you" with his wife standing right there. Sure he apparently set her straight when her game with Mercy on his phone almost got her killed, and yes after she told Mercy in the hospital she wishes she had died he told Mercy Christy wouldn't be visiting the hospital anymore. But I'm not sure Christy gets the message. She is staying with Darryl and his mate, might stay close to home altogether, with her allies in the pack and daughter, waiting for something to happen to Mercy so she doesn't have to  deal with her as an obstacle, or perhaps she'll try a more proactive approach and that's why she's staying? I can see her dating someone else and bringing him around Adam to cause problems or see if Adam gets possessive and jealous.

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Re: Will Christy stay?
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2015, 09:57:37 am »
When Adam and mercy first mated she asked Bran if there was any way to break the mate bond and he said yes if she wanted to know she said not yet. I wonder if that will ever come up, I doubt it was included for no reason and it hasn't played a part yet, mercy said Adam would never leave his mate and if Christy had been mated to him they'd still be married. Christy also said if she hadn't left him he'd never of left her which mercy agreed. And we know what black magic and pack members interference can do to their bond, I just wonder if Christy will find a way to use it.
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« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2015, 05:36:01 pm »
I think one very important piece of Christie's character is being missed here: she has a history of trying to sleep with her friends significant others just to prove she is more attractive than her friends.  Mercy has made her rethink competing for Adam (blue dye was inspired!) and her ego is bruised. 

She isn't just staying with Aurielle, she is also staying with the very handsome Darryl.  Will She try for Darryl just to prove to herself that is still the fairest of them all?  Surely.  Will she succeed?  Not with a truely mated couple.  Will Aurielle notice?  I think so, and the result is likely to be ...interesting >D

She could almost certainly have Paul, since he's so cowardly jealous of his betters, but I don't think she'd be willing to drop that far down the hierarchy.  If Adam had a rich enemy, but she's getting too old to win an anti supernatural senator- they like their trophies about 10 years younger than she is now.

She is what- over 35, maybe pushing 40?  And her entire sense of self worth is tied up in who she can get to sleep with her.  The world is filled with women like her, and their lives tend to go downhill fast once they start showing their age and become brittle and hard with it. How much worse for her as her ex and his new wife don't age with her?  She has created her own personal hell and it will just get worse as time goes on.


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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2015, 07:30:39 am »
Shaya you're right! I did sort of forget that's part of what Christy is known for and does best, sleeping with other women's husband or boy friend just to prove she can. And Darryl is Adam's second so she might always want to spice it up that way and flirt with him to cause trouble in the pack and see if Adam is jealous. The only thing is everytime Christy does something especially horrible the response of most of the people who know her like Adam and Jesse among others has been more endearing like "oh that's our Christy".

I don't know if the hair dye is enough to show Christy she doesn't have a chance with Adam compared to everything else she got away with and was acceptable for her to do in Night Broken. She basically retook over her position and role as if she never left, and Mercy sort of got pushed to the side, even though Mercy did most the work finding out about the volcano god and fighting him, being busy nearly the whole book trying to fix the problem and find a solution to the mess. I remember Mercy telling another character in a previous book (maybe Asil in Frost Burned?), that she doesn't so much do the eggs in the pillow case thing anymore. But Mercy's idea of getting back at Christy for continuing to use her and Adam's private shower was a little like a child pulling a prank, or being subtle to get back at an adult for something they did because they are no match to really stand up to them. Like when Tad used his shoe string once around Mercy's coyote neck to get her out from under the bed she was hiding, then she took all the strings out of his shoe? Of course she liked him, and he's nice so that was more playful then anything else.

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« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2016, 07:11:59 am »
I was just wondering if being the opposite of Christy would make Mercy the AntiChristy.   >D

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« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2016, 07:25:08 am »
LOL, Kitezzz!

I was thinking about Christy the other day, and Mercy stoutly telling Jessie that her mom isn't a bad person.
Then I thought of her encroaching into Mercy's space, etc. etc., then - when Mercy nearly DID die (Thank you, Coyote!) wishing her dead - OUT LOUD in her hospital bed - and this when the injuries were incurred on Christy's behalf.
That may not be actively evil, but it's not "not a bad person."
I have zero compassion for Christy.   Blue die?  Go for it, coyote girl!  Get those eggs that didn't work all those years ago, and put them in this woman's makeup case.  Balance it precariously - outside your house, somewhere that Christy will surely knock it down.
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« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2016, 03:25:18 am »
Well Christy is still with us...so what can she brings back from Bahamas???

a new play game to replace Mercy or a new lover?


I am totally with Mercy when she tell that she will wait till she see Christy is surely and actually gone before think of this as a given fact (and she was taliking about a "done deal" with Oregon ready to take her back in a week)

I think that Christy know deep down that she have no place to call her own in Adam's territories, and as much as the pack love her and love to take care of her now she can't even talk bad about Mercy with her friends...and I would love to see her come back and find this little news  LOL can already see her face when she try to talk behind Mercy's back and no one join the party.

Now I still think that we will have with us Christy also in book number 10, mostly because, like before, I don't see her kind of character go gently away without some major drama.

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« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2016, 07:56:35 pm »
I do kinda hope Christy stays. I love to hate her. She is so awful I kinda enjoy despising her. But I do think that since Adam had his "talk", Christy won't have the same audience she once did. I would also hope that most of the pack would see through her more clearly now. Not that Mercy can't defend herself, but I think it would be a great moment if Christy talked bad about Mercy and Mary Jo backed Christy down. I would select Mary Jo because out of the pack, I believe she despises Mercy the most. So it would be a great unifying moment for the pack if she flat out told Christy to knock it off. Plus, I'm always happy to see someone shut her down.

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« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2016, 09:36:13 pm »
I'd rather like to see Christie slapped down properly, not given any chance to blame anything on someone else.  That's the thing about her that I dislike most; besides manipulating people to go "poor Christie", she always wants to put blame off on others.  I'd also like her to get some plain talk about how obnoxious it was to try to take over Mercy & Adam's bathroom while they're trying to save her life, then not tell them they were facing anything more than a psychotic human, and then, then have Mercy nearly die protecting her, and tell Mercy on what should have been her deathbed, that she, Christie, wished Mercy would die.

Wow.  When I lay it out like that, I dislike her even more.
Still, as long as she gets out of Mercy's (and Adam & Jesse's) business, I, like Mercy would be fine with her going off somewhere and living happily ever after.
Barring that, I'm trying to think would have the most impact on her.  Charles?  Asil?  Anna?
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« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2016, 06:27:25 am »
Asil, I think. Charles would just scare her too much for her to show her true colors around him, and she is the kind of woman who simply discounts other women. I would love to see someone demolish her in the politest possible way, as Spock did the Vulcan admissions board in the Star Trek reboot. Asil is just the one to do that. Granted that he could do a lot worse, but he would consider it beneath him in Christy's case, I think.

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« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2016, 10:46:18 pm »
Though I do think Anna (in her quite way) would give Christy a slight nudge in seriously reflecting about how she treated Adam, Jesse, and Mercy. Anna's really good about being unassuming which she uses to glide under someone's natural defenses. I too also agree that Charles would scare the bejesus out of Christy (which of course would be fun to read). Charles wouldn't tolerate her crap. Ooh, it would be cool to see Christy and Leah face off (two of the most nastiest and selfish characters in the series). My $10 bucks is on Leah!!

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« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2016, 05:32:20 am »
Leah for the win there, absolutely.

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« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2016, 10:10:41 am »
I think one very important piece of Christie's character is being missed here: she has a history of trying to sleep with her friends significant others just to prove she is more attractive than her friends.  Mercy has made her rethink competing for Adam (blue dye was inspired!) and her ego is bruised. 

She isn't just staying with Aurielle, she is also staying with the very handsome Darryl.  Will She try for Darryl just to prove to herself that is still the fairest of them all?  Surely.  Will she succeed?  Not with a truely mated couple.  Will Aurielle notice?  I think so, and the result is likely to be ...interesting >D

She could almost certainly have Paul, since he's so cowardly jealous of his betters, but I don't think she'd be willing to drop that far down the hierarchy.  If Adam had a rich enemy, but she's getting too old to win an anti supernatural senator- they like their trophies about 10 years younger than she is now.

She is what- over 35, maybe pushing 40?  And her entire sense of self worth is tied up in who she can get to sleep with her.  The world is filled with women like her, and their lives tend to go downhill fast once they start showing their age and become brittle and hard with it. How much worse for her as her ex and his new wife don't age with her?  She has created her own personal hell and it will just get worse as time goes on.




I had totally forgot about this. Very good point Shaya. Also I was just thinking in Fire Touched, Darryl is on his own with her in the Bahamas'. Would she dare try it on with him whilst his wife isn't there? To me she is definitely nasty enough.

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« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2016, 11:57:52 am »
Maybe Darryl should buy & display a prophylactic packet of blue dye?  :-whistle
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« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2016, 12:42:03 pm »
Darryl just got her to and on the flight to the Bahamas. He then had a choice of flying or driving back. I believe Adam was protecting him. LOL
 

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« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2016, 06:31:30 am »
 LOL

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« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2016, 11:41:37 am »
I think that might be a fun running gag if Christie insists on lurking; People get peeved and pull out a pack of dye.
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« Reply #35 on: May 01, 2016, 10:25:28 am »
I know it's not important to the story, but I still wonder how Adam and Christy met, and if she was 18 when they started dating or if she was 18 when they got married and started dating when she was younger and still in school? I'm assuming Jesse has grandparents from Christy's side of the family and if Adam and them are close or if they have any contact?

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« Reply #36 on: May 01, 2016, 12:08:03 pm »
Well Adam is enough old fashioned that I think he wouldn't have started anything with an underage girl...taking in mind
1) how old he was already when they meet and
2) how many alphas are willing to streach their values into paedophilia when they have young female wolves in their packs.....things that Adam naturally abhorred
3) and if I don't remember wrong in the books is specify that they met when she was eighteen and that they married young and divorced in 2002

there are no info about how old is Christy (also if it is implied that she is older than Mercy, and that this is another thing that make her hate Mercy so much) and somewhere also in the books it said that the marriage was about 15 years long....so i think that they where married for a few years before they had Jesse, because she was still a child when she talked to Mercy about the troubles at home and Jesse talk about how at 12 y.o. one of her mother's boyfriends tried to climb into her bed so they where already divorced by then...oh and naturally it take a lot of time to them to have Jesse due to the difficulties to have a child with a werewolf

someone know how old is Mercy? in the first book she was 32 y.o. ...and I think in the last few books something have come out about her age....but I don't remember if an actual number was mentioned again...taking in account the number of books she should be like 36-37 right now...so Christy should be like 40-45 at the very least right?
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« Reply #37 on: May 01, 2016, 03:17:56 pm »
I remember why it was said Adam married and wanted Christy, though even at 18 I'm sure he could of found an older somewhat more mature version of her to be with. As for alphas stretching their values where children are concerned...it was said that out of 150 only 19 of those alphas could be trusted not to abuse a child, not just a female werewolf, and Adam was one of them. That's one of the reasons Mercy considered herself very lucky to have gotten into Bran's own pack, and one of the reasons the werewolf child was taken to Montana. I don't know why the number of alphas who could be trusted with a child in their care is so low though.

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« Reply #38 on: May 02, 2016, 02:40:59 am »
Kristenann yeah..it is a so sad info that I try to not think so much about it because if it was for me they should all be take down yesterday

At the time they were talking about where to sent the little girl wolf so I think that it was about a general rule about female wolves only because if i remember right they also said that a lot of alphas also have sex with any female wolves in their packs because this is another way to dominate..... the story of Anna was a big example about how things works in the majority of packs because she was considered the alpha propiety and she was raped by anyone the alpha choose to reward

and the fact was that this kind of mentality and actions are not censured if the female wolf is a child so all arround they treat girls the same and don't care if they are being paedophilis due to the wolf age.....but this is strictly about female wolves and domination of the pack I think....so a little wolf boy is not in danger as no human child should be arround packs

yep Christy was 18 when they merried and also if Adam would have not started a relationship with an underage girl I think that the fact that she was 18 made her fair game taking in mind the period when he grows up as a human

so I think that I can applied the same mentality that was explained by Bran about Sam and Mercy teenager years....for Adam was totally fine to date an 18 y.o. because when he was human was expected and definetly right that an 18 y.o. girl was ready to become a wife...probably they also have waited their 1st night of honeymoon and had like 1 year or so of engaigment

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« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2016, 11:35:26 pm »
I would not be surprised if Christy got pregnant by Adam  after just a short period of  dating  and Adam felt obliged to marry her. I would not be surprised if on Christie's part the pregnancy was a ploy to keep Adam.

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« Reply #40 on: May 08, 2016, 01:44:30 am »
pcpoet I thin that kind of unlikely due to the miscarriages problems and years of marriege....their marriege was of about 15 years so they had Jesse years after the marriege because they was already divorced when the kid was 12 y.o....and Christy have always put all the blame to Adam about losing 4 childs or so before be able to have Jesse....

and more personally about how I see Adam...seriously if Adam was not into having a baby with Christy I think he would have used ways to stop the possibility right from the start, he also is a old fashion kind of guy so I think that he is old enough to care about things like that

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« Reply #41 on: May 08, 2016, 09:22:41 am »
Adam chose Christy and wanted that type of woman to be his wife so she wouldn't of needed pregnancy or any other ploy, he had already made her his choice. But as far as Adam coming up with some kind of way to not have a baby with Christy if that's not what he wanted and him being an old fashioned guy, all that has already been said an proven in many ways to go out the window when it comes to Christy an what she wants. She has proven to be the top dog an in charge when it comes to Adam an many things. Even Adam an Jesse admitted to Mercy his wife an mate Christy was an is able to make him do anything she wants to, even if it isn't something he wants. Mercy said he's a grown man its his choice,  and many times he chose Christy an her way, probably for a multitude of reasons.

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« Reply #42 on: May 08, 2016, 12:40:33 pm »
There's the possibility that Christy was pregnant, and it was a miscarriage, but I doubt it.
Certainly Adam could have used preventatives against pregnancy, they existed when the two married.  Like many other werewolves, he may have been child/family hungry.

I think Adam and Mercy have finally cut Christy's hold on Adam.   I hope so, anyway.
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« Reply #43 on: May 09, 2016, 03:06:47 am »
Thinking about Adam's character I think that he would have not tryed to have a baby before they were actually married and I also think that due to the so high risk of miscarriage he would have been decent enough to not put Christy or any other woman in the condition to become pregnant only to lose the baby few weeks into it if the relationship was not important and stable enough

it seemed like a too selfish way to do things for Adam's no matter how much he would have liked to become a father, make a woman pregnant and just wait and see if things goes well, because i think he is the kind of man that take in consideration that lose a baby is a difficult thing to overcome

I don't have doubts that a lot of other alpha's are more than willing to try to have kids at all costs, but Adam's is not like that..he haven't even tryied to have a baby with Mercy yet and that said in itself a lot about him!

LOL I can't wait to see Christy come to the realization that Adam's is not anymore her dutiful puppy to boss arround anytime she feels like it...she already know that things are a bit different after the hospital mess but I also think that she have not understanded how much things have changed in her relationship with Adam

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« Reply #44 on: May 09, 2016, 05:05:15 am »
I don't think Adam would of tried to have a baby at any cost except when it comes to Christy and whatever she wanted however she wanted it. Mostly because that's what was said what we were told an shown throughout the series when it came to Christy. But she I think was the exception. Also I can't remember where it was said but Mercy mentioned at some point Adam wasn't the kid type an other than Jesse like he didn't want any other children. That was before they were married though, an might be partly because of what he went through with Christy, but I see her being the one who was really pressuring him for a child, in part because it gives her even more power an control over him ties him even more firmly to her, plus she could of taken precaution against pregnancy after she found out the risks. I don't know if we'll see Christy's power over Adam ever truly go away. He banned her from the hospital after she told Mercy she's basically glad her neck broke after a mercy saved her an everyone else for trouble she brought. Sort of ironic in fire touched when Adam took Christy in his office she blamed Mercy in front of him the danger was Mercy's fault an that's why Adam wasn't going to let her move home an take care if her, send her safely away in bahamas.

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« Reply #45 on: May 09, 2016, 09:05:28 am »
Well I don't think that Christy is so mean spirited to have forced in any way the idea to have a baby with Adam, also they were married and to me it make more sense the idea that at some point they have started to want to try to have a baby..... and usually if one is totally against having babies it is usually a talk that occurred before people get married to make sure that you want the same things before this kind of commitment

I understand that Christy is not a loved character but I also feel like it is like a little too much to make everything that have happened when she was Adam's wife her foult...probably Adam should have also take more time to understand if she was the right woman for him before proposing

And last but not least no one will ever be able to persuade me to think that a woman like Christy could be so self-disctuctive to put herself trought the heartheache of multiple misscarriages only to have another tool over Adam's  (quite frankly I don't think that she have ever needed something other then herself to make Adam do what she wanted...every time that it is discussed in the books it is also explained that her looks, frigility and figure was more than enough to make 98% pack want to protect and help her in anything)

I also feel kind of unfair to point out the marriage problems as the reason that had made Adam think to not want more babies...I think that it could be actually understandable that also for the husband and father is painful to lost baby after baby....just like it was for Sam....knowing that the chances to have a baby are so low is for me a reason enough to stop want to try to have babies in the first place

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« Reply #46 on: May 09, 2016, 10:07:21 am »
I am just going to point out here, wrt precautions, that no contraceptive method (except abstinence, which is not always possible) is 100% effective, and that if you are one of the 1 to 2 or 10 or whatever (depending upon the method) per cent that gets pregnant due to contraceptive failure, you are still 100% pregnant. This can happen without either partner intending it, I'm here to tell you, and so could a lot of other women. Thus endeth the PSA.

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« Reply #47 on: May 09, 2016, 12:16:29 pm »
pondhawk you are perfectly right ^__^

I am not sure that with an 18 y.o. fiancè Adam would have put Christy in the position to lose a child so young, I think more in character for him to have actually wait after their marriege to get intimate and that because he grow up in an era (the '50s) where it was still the "right thing to do" to wait till the 1st night of marriage to have sex

most importantly I think that a person like him would have waited to make quite clear and explain well to Christy how high were the possibilities to miscarriage for them


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« Reply #48 on: May 09, 2016, 02:21:32 pm »
I don't think Christy would have to use much force for anything to get her way, but after she wished Mercy dead while she lay in the hospital, abandoning her child for days, sleeping with her best friends husband, and verbally abusing Adam I think she is nearly mean spirited enough for a lot of things. I don't think marriage problems is the reason Adam didn't want to have any more children, i agree with Jesse when she told Mercy it was just as hard on Adam as it was on Christy to lose their babies, though her mom enjoyed tossing that pain Adam. I really  don't remember how long it was Samuel tried to have surviving children until he gave up at least until Mercy. And like Mercy said Adam is an adult a grown man if he didn't want to do as Christy says he shouldn't no one can make him if he does part of the responsibility is on him, and yea he picked and wanted a woman just like Christy.
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« Reply #49 on: May 09, 2016, 02:32:12 pm »
I can't see Christy staying gone though, I wonder if we'll see her come back from the Bahamas or just hear about the move, and if she'll spread any information she's learned from Mercy, Adam, and the pack to enemies?

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« Reply #50 on: May 09, 2016, 03:48:02 pm »
pondhawk you are perfectly right ^__^

I am not sure that with an 18 y.o. fiancè Adam would have put Christy in the position to lose a child so young, I think more in character for him to have actually wait after their marriege to get intimate and that because he grow up in an era (the '50s) where it was still the "right thing to do" to wait till the 1st night of marriage to have sex

most importantly I think that a person like him would have waited to make quite clear and explain well to Christy how high were the possibilities to miscarriage for them

I think you are probably right about that. Actually I think you were probably right about most of your previous post as well. Many women love to hate on other women, and don't want to take a closer look at the part that men play in their own lives, particularly if they have a crush on those men themselves. So you have the pack taking sides, picking whether to hate Christy or Mercy, ignoring whatever doesn't fit their preconceived notions of how each of those women behaves. And you have posters doing exactly the same thing, I'm sorry to say.

I want to clarify that last sentence. Ms. Briggs writes complicated characters. They nearly always have some redeeming feature about them, if you look hard enough for it. You may say that it doesn't matter if readers are unfair to fictional characters, and that is true. But I worry that readers who refuse to see any good in fictional characters may do the same with real people in real life. And that is a real problem in the world, always has been, and will continue to be if we don't challenge ourselves to do differently. Fictional characters are easier to practice this on than people we actually know, because we don't have to deal with them personally.
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« Reply #51 on: May 09, 2016, 04:12:59 pm »
I think that most of the pack members that took Christy's side for the most part, are also the ones who still don't believe Mercy should be the alphas mate or in the pack because she is a coyote, also may be the same ones who had issues with Warren joining the pack, a long with several other changes Mercy has in many ways brought to them, and that is another reason they don't like Mercy, because of the way's she has changed and influenced their pack that they didn't agree with, so I don't think they just hated or disliked Mercy because they preferred Christy.

 There aren't many female werewolves in the pack and two of them are/were mated, Honey eventually understanding an appreciating Mercy, there leaves Mary Jo and I think we found out from Silver Borne that yes she had a major crush of Adam that motivated many of her actions, along with her agreeing Mercy the mechanic who isn't fancy or beautiful or any of the things Mary Jo pictured and thought would be good enough for Adam, she also was one of the Warren haters too. I also think it's safe to say Adam waited until him and Christy were married to try and conceive a child. As far as anything I've said about Christy goes, it isn't about "preconceived notions" of how a woman behaves, it's based off everything we've seen and heard from her character throughout the series from the character herself and others, it has very little to do with her being Adam's ex wife and more to do with who she is as a person that I base any judgements of what I think she "would" or "wouldn't do off of, just as I would when it comes to Mercy and things she would or wouldn't do. Most of my specualtions on characters come directly from behaviors they have exhibited in the past, using information given from the series to make assumptions. Actually all my notions have less to do with the gender of the subject and more to do with the person they are.

I can only speak for myself on this obviously, but when it comes to Christy none of the things I said was an omission that I refuse to see any good in her, the thought isn't deliberate I am only collecting the information I have on hand from the series itself to make a decision on. So it isn't that I'm stubbornly refusing to see something, a goodness a light shining through, for me it's just that is hasn't been written yet, but when it is I won't be hard pressed to admit it. Also because I feel a certain way about a fictional character in one particular series because of the way she's written that I've expressed, doesn't mean I bring a harsh refusual to see good in everyone or anyone in the real world. In fact in this series alone I can see a certain goodness in Marisila who enlisted Mercy's aid in stopping a greater vamp even from gaining more power and control among other things, and Wulfe who could of attacked Mercy in that same battle while she was distracted, but chose not too, because that's the way those things were written, again this is just me. It also for me, isn't about challenging myself differently, or differences in general, I practice that in everyday life, I understand differences and for the most part I meet a lot of people who are in many ways different from and in some instances "think outside the box" and I don't react in any way negatively it can be something very positive. Mercy herself as well as Adam responded to some of Christy's actions, as not just being different from something they would do but were morally wrong, Adam is a man who still believes in right and wrong not just responds badly because he's not challenging himself differently, and that has been my response to this particular character, can something be wrong or is it all just different. Adam and Mercy seem to think some things are, or maybe they need to be more open minded.
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« Reply #52 on: May 09, 2016, 05:04:49 pm »
Your reply was posted before my edit above was finished, and the board did not warn me to refresh. You may well be right about people choosing Christy because they don't like Mercy. And your speculation is certainly based on what we've seen and heard from her character and Mercy's. But think about what I said about complicated characters. You can look at Christy and see past her self-inflicted wounds to her insecurities.

The part that gives me pause is that when posters refuse to use any compassion whatsoever in judging and predicting Christy's, or Leah's, actions. That does not reflect on Christy or Leah; it reflects on the poster. We are responsible for our own judgements and actions. We judge and treat others the way we do because of who we are, not because of who they are.

Mercy meets Christy in the moment: When Christy is behaving herself, more or less, Mercy is civil to her, even when Christy is getting on her last nerve. When Christy crosses the line, Mercy puts her in her place. Mercy holds the moral high ground because she acts according to her moral principles. She has no illusions about Christy, but she does attempt to view and treat her with compassion. You can dislike someone quite a lot, and they can dislike you, and still do this.

I am perhaps a little sensitive to this because my mother is a psychotic narcissist. I have had to protect myself and my kids from her by not letting her close enough to do any real damage to us. But if I fixated that part of her, and refused to acknowledge when she is behaving positively, that negative energy would make my own family miserable. We meet her in the moment and practice compassion to make life better for ourselves, not just for her.

It comes down to what kind of person you want to be. Do you want to hold onto all that negative energy of hatred against Christy, and possibly against real people, or do you want to have the kind of positive energy around you that Mercy holds onto by practicing compassion? Compassion doesn't make Mercy or anyone else a pushover. It can be hard to practice, sometimes more so than others, but the positive energy ultimately it makes life happier for everyone in the vicinity.

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« Reply #53 on: May 09, 2016, 05:37:16 pm »
I can see some insecurities in Christy and I do have understanding of her position and the life she's chosen. Adam would seemingly be her first real relationship (in the intimate sense) she was young, got married, and surprise! She learns her husband in a werewolf and the picture perfect family (she may have) envisioned no matter how Adam might have hidden what he is from her to sustain that image, isn't quite right. Her husband also is an alpha she learns, and is not only responsible for her and their family, but this other family his own pack that is growing, and the thought of these adults being his somewhat other "children" might put a psychological strain on her, especially when she's had trouble growing her family to a more ideal human version of things.

 All this and it still has to really chive her that while she ages even beautifully her husband will remain young, big button pusher. And for the way she has been acting since she's left Adam, seems to be almost like a young girl on spring break, she has the funds to go and do whatever she wants, no financial worry, no family boxing her in, and because of her looks in particular can get any man she wants, and does, it nearly seems like sometime she doesn't know what to do, she's  just out there with no more real path, after being a wife and mother for so long. I can understand all this but I don't find it as an excuse or a rational treatment of others, nor to me does it excuse her for it.

I can understand Leah mated and marrying Bran for the power, prestige, and position it gives her an her thinking this is all she'll want or need when Bran explains to her that it isn't love match and he'll never love her. I can understand how later down the line that might not suit an irritate or hurt her because she want's the love an more attention it goes with too. I understand her anger and resentment of Charles, and his mother because Bran loved her so much. But it still doesn't excuse her for trying to kill Mercy as a child (because she's not mooncalled and may be able to carry werewolf/shifter child), or how she uses that power to hurt and intimidate others just because she can, like Sage, and Anna (who was badly abused and just had gotten to Aspen Creek).I can have empathy in certain situations and compassion, but I still believe it's possible to do bad things due to being a bad person, Christy or Leah hurting something and watching them in pain and no caring, but taking an active enjoyment of it because they have the ability to, whatever their other issues are.

 Also part of reading fictional stories, is loving and hating a certain character, with reasons given by the writer it's just realistic, and sometimes for their own purposes as a reader they lead you there, reading a part of the book and going"Ooh he/she just did something so evil I hope they get what comes to them, I hope there is justice!"I wouldn't say I carry this negative energy and hatred with me throughout my everyday life, this just isn't practical, the point of reading a favorite book is to get away from reality a bit, relax, and enjoy, not get all worked up an angry I take it out on people in my personal life, and part of enjoying the series in knowing something will or will no happen that does or doesn't happen in real life. Like the good guys always triumph over evil, and the bad guys always lose, because that too in real life isn't the case. Loving or hating, and discussing that about a character has nothing to do with the person I am an want to be. I mean Mercy thought it was horrible for Stefan's maker to betray them an torture his people, and him for her own purposes, I thought that was pretty bad too....didn't think too hard what that makes me or has to say about the person I am. Mercy kept her head up because she loved Adam more then her dislike of Christy, she didn't want to make anything harder on her step daughter, or rock the boat more with the pack then she could help, I didn't have to worry about that when I comment on how many of the things Christy did was morally wrong or cruel, I'm not married to Adam and have no wolf pack. Now I guess comparing that to real life if I knew a woman who ran away on occasions with men leaving her little girl to fend for herself for days without telling her or anyone else, well yea I probably would still think that was wrong, so I guess faulting Christy for a certain course or repeated action without any indication of empathy or guilt from this "person" because they were more concerned with fulfilling their own enjoyment less for their child when there were so many other things they could of done "right" things, might make me as a person less compassionate for them, because I'd be more compassionate an concerned for the child, I too have a certain sensitively towards anything that involves children.

Christy would make a lot more sense to me if it turned out she has some small diluted fae blood, if there was some other driving force for her nature, that only recently for whatever reason truly decided to surface. I believe we haven't heard anything about Christys origins or her parents?

So many other things define who you are, and what you want to be then the books you read, or whether you hate/dislike love/like characters in a fictional series. It's just me but I don't think this is considered to be a defining factor not liking Christy so automatic negative energy, not being positive an caring positive energy around so not being a happy person just like Mercy Thompson but being a miserable one like e Eeyore from Winnie the Pooh. I'm still not happy with the fae responsible for the death of the walking stick. Sometimes we are able to have opinions and feelings about a story, and leave those feelings to the story. October Daye series that I've followed and invested in, along with the characters, I found it to be really upsetting on the main characters part when she felt betrayed and hurt by someone close to her, and when she had to give up her human child. I felt as a reader allowed and even entitiled to have not so happy, positive feelings on the subject an at the time, without realizing this might not give me positive feelings when I go to work but bad mojo all day, and what that would say about me as a person? It's human nature to be allowed to express feelings on a subject or character, that's the fun of it (especially when they aren't real, not having to think about meeting someone JUST like one of the charaters in real like and not being compassionate to them) what does it say about the writers to write the characters in that way, and what kind of person they are when they say something like "all vampires are evil" in their fictional world.

Part of the problem with the world today in part an be shortened down to some people expressing their opinions and defining themselves as a compassionate, positive person, but when someone else does it and it's different from there's then it is not compassionate, negative, probably means they have an unhappier life leaving unhappier people form those involved, and hey what's that say about you, the person you are, "what's wrong with you, well I'll tell ya, you're not thinking like me".  Well hey if you think what that character in the werewolf book did was morally wrong, or evil...you might treat others in the real world badly because you think the same thing about them. I find it neither compassionate or kind to judge who someone is because of their comments regarding what an author wrote about a character in their book that did bad things, and was overall nasty to a lot of characters involved.  I didn't write it, I'm just commenting about it, and how Christy hasn't done or said anything to be portrayed as a nice person, I guess that makes me not a nice person because of my negative and different opinion. I could go on about how I love Asil, Bran, Samuel and Stefan because of things they've said and done if that would carry with me and balance out my positive energy.
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Re: Will Christy stay?
« Reply #54 on: May 10, 2016, 05:12:22 am »
Also I agree as adults we are responsible for our own actions, so are the people who commit crimes or express morally wrong behaviors an actions for it, an yea people judge an are judged for it. Like Christy's bf  who climbed into her child's bed, now as a person making comments and judgments on something like that I think they should be, I guess it says something about me an less about the character who would do that. Sometimes the judgement an treatment of others is in accordance with things they've done an who they are. Like Christy verbally abusing Adam in public,  don't do it if you don't want to be judged for it, but it only says something about Mercy making assumptions at the time, an not Christy for making that choice and trying to hurt someone.

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Re: Will Christy stay?
« Reply #55 on: May 10, 2016, 05:47:01 am »
Wow.  Turn things on their head.
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Re: Will Christy stay?
« Reply #56 on: May 10, 2016, 06:02:30 am »
I think that the best thing about Patricia Briggs books is how real the characters feels, so much so that we discuss about them, think about dialogues, re-read just to get the all picture.

For me Christy is not mean per se, oh don't get me wrong she can and is totally aweful when she want the revange that she feel she need, but in her daily life she is not simply and solely a mean person.

I think more of her problems are based on the fact that she act and think like a teenager still, and an often afraid and unsure teenage at that.

I feel like Christy have found herself in a situation bigger than she thought, not unlike a lot of 18 y.o. actually that married young thinking to have all sorted out and year after year discovered that they are ill equipped to deal with things....she knew about Adam's being a werewolf (I simply can't think otherwise because we are talking about Adam) and thought to be able to deal with it but simply she wasn't and to take back some power to a situation that she wasn't able to handle she have started or incriesed a mannerism that make her quite frankly annoying, but that have worked so well with a house full of werewolves...be the madamoiselle in distress have suited her and the pack well and is what have give her a way to deal with all werewolves stuff.

For me it can also totally be that at the start her way of doing things was actually and strangely enough useful for the pack, like she made them feel appriciated and less monsters, as we know a lot of Adam's wolves feel like monsters.
So for how I see things it could be that the addittion of Christy was like a balm for all them to feel like they were needed and the odd things that come with being a werewolves where also kinda like useful if they could be strong enough to help and protect Christy first and her and Jesse later. Like the pack as a all could do goods things so they as individuals could feel something other than shame for their instincts.
Well things later have gone wrong but maybe all her way to act and interact was not a bad starting point.

And I am talking about the bigger picture not only her relationship with Adam or Mercy.

I don't think Christy is actually spiteful enough to put in danger the pack, Adam or Jesse's on porpose but I think her naive or uncareful enough to do so without actually ment it like it happened with the vulcano god...I also think that a lot of the troubles she have and could bring to the pack in the future are more a kind of Murphy's Law jocke on her...like she crave to make a statment about her freedom so much (just like a teenager in the middle of his rebellious years) and she want to be reassured about herself so deeply (insicurities in their highest place) that she end up making silly mistakes that can lead to very bad situations...like with the god, the way I saw it is that she wanted to reassured herself that she was still attractive enough so she slept with a young, harmless enough guy (harmless because her friends knew him), to be more interesting she talked about Adam's status and when she was faced with the reality that the young guy was much more than human she was scared enough to run...and she assumed that a pack of werewolves were enough to deal with the fallout....she wasn't actually mean only very very naive and so uncareful that she have dealt with the all situation only assuming that there are not scarier things in her world than werewolves
All this to me is the way to act of a very young person, a teenager that assume to have all the right answers in his hands and don't take in account that "whatever can go wrong, will go wrong."

So yeah I don't think that Christy will be able to go creating worrisome troubles just because she want to distroy Adam's or the pack for me she is not mean enough for that, but I don't take out of the table the idea that she could do stupid things that one way or another can lead them to face another problem just as powerful as the vulcano god.

Like with Leah character I think that maybe there is more about her childhood or background that could explain better her actions and I would like to know more about them just to see how Patricia Briggs have created them in her head. I wouldn't mind a short story that explain them better because I find them frustating but also fascinating....and call me crazy but I think that I will miss Christy if she disappeared from now on, as much as I also like to point out her shortcomings I feel like her presence make things interesting and funny enough to let me enjoy her scenes.

I have to admit that I laugh a lot thinking that Mercy is so out of Christy league that see them "fighting" is like watch a baby that slap her mother leg during a temper tantrum....so yep I enjoy the funny situations that her presence have created till now...and I can also add that not all have lead to bad things...like for me that Adam have finally take a position about Mercy in front of the pack was pushed also by what have transpired after Christy permanent presence.

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Re: Will Christy stay?
« Reply #57 on: May 10, 2016, 07:20:49 am »
Kristenann yeah I hear what you say about that boyfriend of Chrisy that tryed to climb in bed with Jesse.

Yeah we all have our hard no-no, and that no matter what I will not compromise about mine...like I think all the alphas that can't be trusted with the care of a young female wolf should have been already taken down because they actually not only don't deserve their status but clearly do not deserve also to live.

I think that that "incident" was one more thing that is eating Christy out also if we haven't ever read about that by a prospective that put us readers in the know about how Christy delt with it...but as a human bieng I can't think that that is an event that is so easily dismissed by any parent, let alone one like Christy that for a lot of years was in the habit to tell her problems and have them fixed by somebody else.
The saddest thing is that also in reality child are always abused by someone that their parents trust (a very close friend of the family, a teacher, a doctor, a family member etc)

Talking about the books in general
If I have to tell the true is very rare for me to come to hate 100% a character in Patricia Briggs books, oh there are people that I was more than happy to so die but talking about the characters that have a sort of a more frequent presence in the books I find myself always thinking that they are not all around bad....and that after the years have translated also in a kind of wariness to think the good guys as saints, like I think totally possible in the future to read that Stefano have done something horrible in a long lost past that can make me like him less or read something horrible about Wolfie past that could make me think like I get how he has become so creepy and that he is not so bad after all

I have already had changes of minds about her characters in the past like Ben, and I think that Patricia Briggs writing lead to a so tridimensional characthers that it will be quite daft of me to think them only as good or bad...a lot of grey is always to be expected...and I simply love that
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Re: Will Christy stay?
« Reply #58 on: May 11, 2016, 05:46:18 am »
That is what I like about these characters too, that we can find all sorts of tidbits to discuss, precisely because they're not written to be all one way. I have to admit that Christy would be someone I would avoid as much as possible in real life, because she lacks maturity. I'm around kids every day, and it's fine with me when they act their age, because I'm in gear to deal with that. When the same behavior comes from a so-called adult, I sometimes have a hard time switching gears to deal with it appropriately, unless I know them well enough to expect it. And when I know them that well, I usually have enough context to understand why they are that way.

Adam likes to take care of people. If they married when she was young, Adam may have taken on some things that Christy could have handled herself if she were on her own. Had she done that, those things might have been growth opportunities for her. Her sheltered existence within the pack may in fact have stunted her emotional growth. That would not be something anyone intended to happen, and it could be an explanation while not being necessarily an excuse.