Author Topic: Kirsten Britain  (Read 39659 times)

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Re: Kirsten Britain
« Reply #30 on: December 03, 2010, 04:00:09 am »
Or it can make you completely stop thinking of that author in order not to go mad.
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Re: Kirsten Britain
« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2011, 07:42:05 am »
Well, Blackveil is released today in the U.S.

I'm thinking of taking a quick 'lunch' break and running over to Border's bookstore that's nearby my work and grabbing it (the only hard part is that I won't be able to read it until after work *lol*).
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Re: Kirsten Britain
« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2011, 09:53:59 am »
Well, Blackveil is released today in the U.S.

I'm thinking of taking a quick 'lunch' break and running over to Border's bookstore that's nearby my work and grabbing it (the only hard part is that I won't be able to read it until after work *lol*).

Yay! Thanks for reminding me! I'd preordered it and it's on my Kindle now. I know what I'm doing tonight.
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Re: Kirsten Britain
« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2011, 10:30:34 am »
Okay, dang annoying.

The Borders by my work didn't have it (not too surprising, there have been quite a few things that I've expected them to have that they haven't). So I decided to make a quick run up to my local Barnes & Noble (I had even checked the website this morning and they said that location had it in stock), they didn't have it on the shelves. I was already taking too long for my lunch break so I couldn't really wait around and pester anybody, I'll have to go back after work and see if they've put it on the shelves (I'm wondering if they have it but that their stock-boys/girls just haven't gotten around to it yet). Otherwise, I am fully willing to order it online as soon as I get home and get next day shipping to get it tomorrow (yes, I know I could buy the ebook version, but I'm the type that just has to have the physical book & paper between my hands)
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Re: Kirsten Britain
« Reply #34 on: February 04, 2011, 07:51:08 am »
Well, I finished the book last night. I think a good part of me is still trying to digest all that happened.

In general, however, I don't think it's the best of the series, I think it suffers from a 'middle-installment' syndrome that I've seen happen sometimes, like the author knows what's going to happen in the later books, but needed a 'filler book' to get there. There was, I felt, a lot of stuff that was left unresolved in this book. And as for the end? I don't think I've ever read a book with a cliff-hanger like that. I truly hope that with her writing full time now (as I believe she said on her blog at one point) we don't have to wait so many years between installments.


More specific thoughts (warning, spoilers ahead, hence the spoiler tags)

I fully admit that I was bawling when Karigan found out about Alton and Estral's relationship. Maybe it's because I can relate to Karigan - everyone pairing off with someone leaving her alone, but yeah. That really pulled at me.

Speaking of relationships, Captain Mapstone continues to irritate me with her manipulation of the Zachary/Karigan situation. I mean, I can understand her point of view to a degree (good of the kingdom and all), but the way she's handling it with both Karigan and Zachary is just frustrating.

Then speaking of manipulation. I was very disturbed by Zachary's advisers (save Laren, in this regard, at least she was trying to do what the law dictated) and their manipulation of Estora and of Zachary (in the state that he was in). The deathbed wedding and worst of all, what amounted to Zachary being raped (yes, I did just say that a male character was raped) in order to consummate the marriage. I know there are some people in reviews I've read and what not that hold Estora as much responsible as those like Spane and Colin and the others, and while my like/estimation of her has gone down, I don't think I hold her as responsible - she was blackmailed and manipulated herself - drugged even. Yes, she knew the wine was drugged and she drank it knowing that, but I do believe she had every intention of doing what she could to just sleep through that night with nothing happening - only when she tried to calm Zachary in his delusions did she loose control to the drug. I dunno, I was more annoyed with Estora in this book than I have been with her in the past, I just don't know how much I actually blame her for what happened, she was very much a pawn in others machinations.

I admit I wasn't too broken up about her father dying, however. I never liked his character.

I would love to be a fly on the wall in Beryl's 'questioning' of Spane... that man deserves every ounce of pain that she can inflict on him.

In regards to the events in Blackveil forest/Argenthyne, I think Grandmother is the creepiest female villain I've read in a while.

I did love that right off the bat we got a very good taste of just how dangerous the forest was (with the vampire-hummingbirds), it definitely helped set the tone for what their journey was going to be like.

Skipping to the end, I know a lot of people (again, in reader reviews I've read) that had issue with Yates death and thought it was unnecessary. While I was saddened by it, and of course I don't think he deserved to die, I won't say that I was surprised by the circumstances. We've known since the 2nd book (FRC) that Mornhaven, in his current 'non-corporeal' form, has the ability to possess people and animals. I doubt he's able to possess Eletians and so all that was left were the remaining Riders, given that Karigan was holding the mask (I think that, and that Mornhaven had to be given the mask, he couldn't just take it, protected her somewhat), that left Lynx and Yates - it was going to be one of them.

I believe Karigan is quite possibly in the Tombs beneath Zachary's castle - whether she's in the same time frame, I'm not sure (perhaps she skipped a bit ahead and everyone else needs to catch up with her - much like what happened to Mornhaven). I do think, however, that Lynx will return to the castle, with her gone it will be believed that she's dead and her 3 letters that she wrote will come into play - which could make things interesting when she shows up alive.


I may need to read the book a few more times to fully absorb everything that occurred, and like I said earlier, I really hope we don't have to wait so long for #5.

edit: forgot one other point I wanted to make In regards to Karigan's mother, Kariny, and that 'heritage'. I still think there's something there and part of me wonders if that family line isn't too unlike the Golden Guardian's line in that there might be a touch of Eletian flowing in Karigan's veins. Just a thought
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Re: Kirsten Britain
« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2011, 08:32:31 am »
Silverwolf, I also finished this last night and I agree with pretty much everything you said. (warning, real spoilers ahead)

The book had a lot of plusses and several minuses. Most of the minuses happened in the beginning, with the good things not happening until the end. I thought the beginning of the book was too long and drawn out and that it mentioned too many things that were left up in the air, like why Stevic was so adamant about what he wouldn't share with Karigan and that he hated magic. I was disappointed in that and in Karigan's juvenile behavior. And Amberhill! Why do we even need him? He's a complete shmutz whose storyline is just too silly and had no payoff. I'm guessing this witch will be relevant at some point in time, but *something* had better happen soon.

I'm on the fence about the comatose marriage. I hated it - and the rape of Zachary, which I totally agree is what happened; having sex without giving your consent, even under the influence of a drug is considered sexual assault at the very least - but then thought that it might add interesting drama. I realized that at some point in time I was expecting Karigan and Zachary to get together. The marriage made me doubt it, which was an interesting turn. Then I thought sacking all of his advisers (save Captain Mapstone) was interesting because maybe now he can act more freely in running the kingdom and not be held back by their rigid ways. Which, in turn, may mean that he and Karigan could get together. But then what about Elena? So I actually found it intriguing from a reader's standpoint. It added interesting layers. But I was NOT liking Elena for quite awhile. I'm still iffy about her, even after the revelations at the end. But Zachary kicked ass, which was nice :) I really like him.

And the ending. Geez Louise. What a cliffhanger! I hadn't thought that Karigan might be in the tombs, but it makes total sense. I'm sure those letters will come to light, too. I was wondering if Condor might give clues to Karigan's well-being and/or location, especially given that the fact that messenger horses can do this was mentioned several times.
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Re: Kirsten Britain
« Reply #36 on: February 04, 2011, 09:24:53 am »
Silverwolf, I also finished this last night and I agree with pretty much everything you said. (warning, real spoilers ahead)

And the ending. Geez Louise. What a cliffhanger! I hadn't thought that Karigan might be in the tombs, but it makes total sense. I'm sure those letters will come to light, too. I was wondering if Condor might give clues to Karigan's well-being and/or location, especially given that the fact that messenger horses can do this was mentioned several times.

The problem is that Condor is still at the wall, I imagine that Lynx is going to go straight to the castle to give his report (especially given that 1 Rider is confirmed dead, the other missing, plus the deaths of the other 3 Sacoridians, the death of Graeleala (I think I spelled that right), and everything that happened once they reached Argenthyne with rescuing some of the Sleepers and whatnot), his first duty is to tell the King what transpired. It could be a while before anyone (even the Captain/other Riders at the castle...) even think about Condor. But I do agree that his attitude/behavior will come into play as to what Karigan's state is - just a question of who's going to think to pay attention (especially since Alton is now preoccupied with Estral's voice loss).

I too also loved it when Zachary sacked his staff.... I think they got off way easier than they deserved - but like they said in the book, perhaps with the type of punishment Zachary gave them, they'll get what's coming to them.
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Re: Kirsten Britain
« Reply #37 on: February 10, 2011, 05:55:50 pm »
Silverwolf, I also finished this last night and I agree with pretty much everything you said. (warning, real spoilers ahead)

And the ending. Geez Louise. What a cliffhanger! I hadn't thought that Karigan might be in the tombs, but it makes total sense. I'm sure those letters will come to light, too. I was wondering if Condor might give clues to Karigan's well-being and/or location, especially given that the fact that messenger horses can do this was mentioned several times.

The problem is that Condor is still at the wall, I imagine that Lynx is going to go straight to the castle to give his report (especially given that 1 Rider is confirmed dead, the other missing, plus the deaths of the other 3 Sacoridians, the death of Graeleala (I think I spelled that right), and everything that happened once they reached Argenthyne with rescuing some of the Sleepers and whatnot), his first duty is to tell the King what transpired. It could be a while before anyone (even the Captain/other Riders at the castle...) even think about Condor. But I do agree that his attitude/behavior will come into play as to what Karigan's state is - just a question of who's going to think to pay attention (especially since Alton is now preoccupied with Estral's voice loss).

I too also loved it when Zachary sacked his staff.... I think they got off way easier than they deserved - but like they said in the book, perhaps with the type of punishment Zachary gave them, they'll get what's coming to them.


You know, I thought about the Condor thing a few days ago - you're right. However, I question whether Lynx really is going to head straight to the castle. I got the impression that he wanted to go - and was going - straight to the woods where he felt safe. So I was wondering if anyone would actually know that Karigan was missing, as well as all the other news, for a little while. But on the other hand, Lynx is a Green Rider, so he really should make a report - but then again (!), he's not exactly in the best frame of mind. And as you mention, Alton & Estral will be rather preoccupied. So I'm thinking it might actually take some time before anyone knows what happened.
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Re: Kirsten Britain
« Reply #38 on: February 11, 2011, 05:04:28 pm »
Silverwolf, I also finished this last night and I agree with pretty much everything you said. (warning, real spoilers ahead)

And the ending. Geez Louise. What a cliffhanger! I hadn't thought that Karigan might be in the tombs, but it makes total sense. I'm sure those letters will come to light, too. I was wondering if Condor might give clues to Karigan's well-being and/or location, especially given that the fact that messenger horses can do this was mentioned several times.

The problem is that Condor is still at the wall, I imagine that Lynx is going to go straight to the castle to give his report (especially given that 1 Rider is confirmed dead, the other missing, plus the deaths of the other 3 Sacoridians, the death of Graeleala (I think I spelled that right), and everything that happened once they reached Argenthyne with rescuing some of the Sleepers and whatnot), his first duty is to tell the King what transpired. It could be a while before anyone (even the Captain/other Riders at the castle...) even think about Condor. But I do agree that his attitude/behavior will come into play as to what Karigan's state is - just a question of who's going to think to pay attention (especially since Alton is now preoccupied with Estral's voice loss).

I too also loved it when Zachary sacked his staff.... I think they got off way easier than they deserved - but like they said in the book, perhaps with the type of punishment Zachary gave them, they'll get what's coming to them.


You know, I thought about the Condor thing a few days ago - you're right. However, I question whether Lynx really is going to head straight to the castle. I got the impression that he wanted to go - and was going - straight to the woods where he felt safe. So I was wondering if anyone would actually know that Karigan was missing, as well as all the other news, for a little while. But on the other hand, Lynx is a Green Rider, so he really should make a report - but then again (!), he's not exactly in the best frame of mind. And as you mention, Alton & Estral will be rather preoccupied. So I'm thinking it might actually take some time before anyone knows what happened.

Perhaps he's taking a path back to Sacor City that will take him through a forest - maybe the Green Cloak itself of course, it's things like that that really make me wish KB would provide an actual map of Sacoridia & it's borders. We came close with this one, what with the map of Blackveil itself at the beginning, but dang it... I want a full on map! *lol* I've found a couple fan made ones from artists like Burning--Ice or coltongirl on deviantART, but even they admit that their maps aren't necessarily accurate and that they're mainly going by what description there are in the first books
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Re: Kirsten Britain
« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2011, 07:10:45 pm »
That was awesome! But the cliffhanger sucked... if I knew we would have the enw book in a year I could suck it up, but now I just want to have a temper tantrum  9)

I agree with everything that you guys said. I've lost pretty much all respect for Estora. Yeah, she was manipulated too, but I used to like her. Now? Not so much at all.
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Re: Kirsten Britain
« Reply #40 on: January 06, 2012, 12:52:15 pm »
I re-read Blackveil again the other day and had some thoughts. Even though the book's been out for awhile, I'll put spoiler bars in - just in case.

I was also thinking that Karigan is in the tombs underneath the castle. But then I thought that means she'd have to be found pretty quickly - or else she'd die buried in whatever coffin she's in. And what a waste of emotional depth that would be. Surely it would make the story more powerful if it was believed she was dead - or at least likely dead if missing. There's Estora's guilt/jealousy/etc., Zachary's despair, and Lauren & Stevic's burgeoning relationship would of course be affected (was I the only one to make that connection?) And then there's those letters Karigan wrote prior to leaving, specifically the one to Zachary where she poured her heart out to him on the page. That *has* to make an appearance somehow or else it's completely wasted. And Karigan said those letters would come to light only if she died/failed to come back.

And let me reiterate how much I really dislike the character of Amberhill. I still have no idea of his purpose in anything.
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Re: Kirsten Britain
« Reply #41 on: January 06, 2012, 12:55:51 pm »
Amberhill will come back to stir things up or save the day.

I'm not certain Kerigan has ended up in a where yet. And with her I'm not even certain she's ended up when.

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Re: Kirsten Britain
« Reply #42 on: January 06, 2012, 12:58:47 pm »
I got disenchanted with this series, after the second book.
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Re: Kirsten Britain
« Reply #43 on: January 08, 2012, 11:36:42 am »
Amberhill will come back to stir things up or save the day.

I'm not certain Kerigan has ended up in a where yet. And with her I'm not even certain she's ended up when.

Good point, Janilee. I hadn't thought of that.

My other critique, besides Amberhill, was that the jester/mirror man also seemed to come from nowhere. Usually supernatural forces are related to either the Eletians or to the Sacordian gods. But this mirror mask has no foundation - I'm not sure where it comes from. Wild magic? But then you'd think that would be mentioned, since it has been before. Any thoughts?
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Re: Kirsten Britain
« Reply #44 on: January 08, 2012, 11:59:06 am »
The third possibility could be the magic of the invaders.  (I'm drawing a blank on their name.) We have the bits and pieces of their magic from the grandmother, but stories suggest they could once do much more.

I'm not certain the magic of the Eletians or the Sacordians can be eliminated. The Eletian magic is by it's nature elusive to the narrators of the story. Sacordian magic was lost a buried so it could come from there.

So someone may have to discover what the mirror man is in old records or such. Or possibly a discussion with the keepers of the wall. This will bring back a tie-in with the characters fixing the wall or the scholars at the school.

My thoughts is the mirror magic is a trickster character and will be explained. I believe there needs to be a shake up in the magical world. The Sacordians have deliberately not used their magic which may be causing an imbalance somewhere. This would make a trickster character need to come in and force changes. Since he appeared at the ball I'm assuming he/it is of Sacordian origin. (And this could all be wrong and will be explained in some other way.)