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Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
« on: September 19, 2008, 10:43:36 pm »
Hi to all those Germanspeakers, that I know are hanging around here!

Is it only me, or are there any others that always flinch at Zees "original German name"? And does anybody have an idea, what the "original" original of Adalbertsmiter could be? Adelbertschlächter?
(for those not-Germanspeaking: Adelbertkrieger means Adelbert's warrior - so the connection to Adelbert is a wee bit different...)
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Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2008, 08:56:57 am »
Well Adelbertsmiter (meddival German) seems to be the correct translation of Adelbertschlächter (today).

My boyfriend and I have been searching all kinds of legends and have not found any relation to that kind of name.
The first time I read about him I thought he  was the "dwarf" who was a smith and made the sword of Siegfried (kind of like the German king arthur myth, but a bit more complex).

We found a myth about a dwarf who killd a dragon in norway, I will check on that one again and will post it again.

It is possible though, that Zee is from a famous myth but from a not known version...
 

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Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2008, 08:30:13 am »
Hey Lakritz,

esse ich auch gerne ;)
Do you know any myth that could be related to Zee?

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Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2008, 09:34:26 am »
No, but that doesn't say much, as I'm not really into myth. And I don't really like to eat Lakritz... but my husband just loves it 8). And just for you Germans... the name originates from kritzeln.
Did you try the ASK PATTY thread, if she got the name from an actaual myth, or if she just made it up?
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Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2008, 02:34:58 am »
not yet, still gona try to find out by myself, when I give up, I will ask her...

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Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2008, 02:36:07 am »
by the way, I was also thinking if smiter could refer to schmied (smith)?

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Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2008, 05:35:59 am »
I think it was smiter as in slayer/killer. 
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Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2008, 10:59:15 am »
Well, the only reference for smiter=slayer is Mercy musing about a monk called Adelbert, that might have been killed by Zee. I like the Idea, that it's smiter derived from schmieden, but I'm not deep enogh in Mittelhochdeutsch or even older forms of the language, to know, whether that could be true.
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Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2008, 05:55:26 pm »
All I know is that St. Adelbert (Adalbert, Adalbart) was from Prague, and was killed and martyred in Prussia in a small town named Gdansk along the Baltic coast in what is now Poland.  He was chopping down trees considered magical or holy by the locals in an attempt to show them that his religion (Catholicism) was stronger because there was no punishment for profaning their magical woods. He was, so the story goes, beheaded with the axe he was using to chop trees. So perhaps the "smiter" is the one who beheaded him?

A suitable tale to link to the Fae, I think. What self-respecting Fae allows their forest to be cut down without penalty? Also, he's not the patron saint of any group or virtue as far as I can remember, just protector of his lands (Prussia, Poland, Hungary)

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Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2009, 02:03:32 am »
@Seneca I also found this lore as possible reference to Zee.
Did anybody find something els?

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Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2009, 04:13:51 am »
by the way, I was also thinking if smiter could refer to schmied (smith)?

might be possible. it's not always easy to make the right connections, since so many things got changed with time.

I always connected smiter to zerschmettern, schlachten, erschlagen... something like that...


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Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2009, 07:52:51 am »
Chees! Love your pic!!!!

well smiter I also connect with schmettern, like Lakritz.
But it made me think if there is a connection between schmied and smiter.

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Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2009, 08:36:59 pm »
HI,
well I think that the smiter part could be both, for a Blacksmith (Schmied) and Schlächter, maybe referring to both?
But I would split the first part of the name. Adel means royalty in German, and Bert could come from a name, like Albert for Example.
I admit I am curious who is supposed to be behind it, but since in Germany we once had so many different types of Royalty ( Fürsten, Grafen, Könige, Kaiser,...), my guess would be that using the Ask Patty Thread is the only way to get an answer.
Oh and by the way, there is a huge huge difference between the story of Siegfried and King Arthur ;)

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Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2009, 01:04:11 am »
I posted the question in the Ask Patty Thread.

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Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2009, 01:17:58 am »
I posted the question in the Ask Patty Thread.

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