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Title: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Elle on March 18, 2014, 08:30:53 pm
Patty revealed the title of the upcoming A&O book during the Houston book signing. It takes place in Arizona.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Patti L. on March 18, 2014, 09:11:48 pm
O_o... do you suppose Anna will get to see Mercy's old college classmate?
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Zealith on March 18, 2014, 10:34:58 pm
I feel that's unlikely, but I am curious about what would bring Charles and Anna to Arizona. I was thinking Area 51! But no... right region, wrong state.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Janilee on March 18, 2014, 10:48:42 pm
The four corners area, lots of reservations, pinion forests and copper mining are the things that stick out from the wiki article.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Rinwyn on March 23, 2014, 06:17:36 pm
My old stomping grounds! I know this place like the back of my hand and am curious to see how much of it I recognize from the story. Is it 2015 yet?

I read an interview from Patty recently that mentioned Scottsdale? If that's where this is taking place then they will be far from the four corners area. There's a LOT of wilderness area in arizona, as well as thriving cities. Pick any city, drive a half hour and you're nice and isolated. There's so much a writer can do with that state. *homesick*

Did I mention I'm excited?  bOuNcY
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Baum Diggity on April 15, 2014, 09:33:45 am
Maybe a run-in with a certain Druid from Hearne's books. That would go...interestingly....
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Baum Diggity on April 15, 2014, 09:41:35 am
Okay...some serious speculation....could it have something to do with this idea of a high-security complex via Cantrip holding the super-naturals that was hinted at? Perhaps Bran's reaction?
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Janilee on April 15, 2014, 12:59:29 pm
Or some supernatural being associated with desert windstorms.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Patti L. on April 15, 2014, 01:35:20 pm
This being Patty, & Charles being Bran's second, some of each seems more likely.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Zealith on April 15, 2014, 10:35:45 pm
How about a skinwalker?
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Post by: Janilee on April 16, 2014, 08:58:57 am
Interesting idea.

Dead heat is also a race term. Which for some odd reason brought to mind those long haul desert races. (Which I first learned about in a Disney movie about a beetle named Herbie.) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064603/

Back to topic. A skin walker would be native to the SW (as a general rule) so heat would be natural. And the Skinwalker's natural nature is death so that might very well fit.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Patti L. on April 16, 2014, 09:42:47 am
Could have to do with zombies... probably not Thomas Hao, our day walking vampire.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Zealith on April 16, 2014, 09:56:59 pm
Also, I believe Gordon Seeker called skin walkers abominations which implies they do exist in the Mercyverse.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Janilee on April 16, 2014, 11:26:27 pm
Think about Dead heat in a race agains time.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Zealith on April 16, 2014, 11:35:20 pm
What might the time limit be for?
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Janilee on April 16, 2014, 11:35:51 pm
Whatever mystery or problem they have to solve.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Zealith on May 09, 2014, 10:39:18 pm
"You see, Patty thought she'd tie the story into the Arabian horse world." Facebook page

So, maybe in relation to horse racing?
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Patti L. on May 09, 2014, 10:53:47 pm
Or raising...
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Post by: Zealith on May 09, 2014, 11:06:36 pm
True. I wonder how Charles and Anna could get mixed up with trouble involving horses.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: BillG on May 10, 2014, 02:35:34 am
True. I wonder how Charles and Anna could get mixed up with trouble involving horses.

Over on the other side of the pond, Dick Francis wrote a lot of books like that. Skulduggery can abound.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Patti L. on May 10, 2014, 09:24:57 am
Sure, but what would it have to do with Werewolves?
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Janilee on May 10, 2014, 01:20:10 pm
My first thought is that horses would be very nervous around werewolves. The horses at Peter's and Honey's place suggest that werewolves could work with horses. Dead heat and racing makes sense.

A werewolf with a gambling addiction involved in the horse racing industry?
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Zealith on May 10, 2014, 01:31:55 pm
Charles did say at one point that he preferred horses to car, so between the two it's seems likely that horses could at least get use to werewolves.

A werewolf with a gambling addiction involved in the horse racing industry?

That seems like more of a problem for the local alpha to handle. (Unless it is the local alpha with the problem!)
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Patti L. on May 10, 2014, 02:28:33 pm
We may remember that Charles is more comfortable horseback than in a car, and has one or two of his own...
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: katy on May 10, 2014, 03:00:03 pm
I remembered about Charles preferring horseback to car, and that he recalled travelling cross-country with his grandfather and others by horse.  I didn't remember that he currently has horses.  Perhaps they go there to look at a horse for Anna, and while they are there... um... events unfold.  (OK, just revealed why I am much more of a reader than a writer!  LOL )
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Patti L. on May 10, 2014, 04:08:38 pm
That would be possible, although as I doubt Anna has ridden, an Arab wouldn't be a good first horse for her.  This is per what Patty & Mike have said about temperment of the breed.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Zealith on May 10, 2014, 09:43:45 pm
Of course, she may have read The Black Stallion as a child and have her heart set on and Arab. I know I sure did after reading that book!
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Patti L. on May 10, 2014, 10:15:34 pm
That's possible.  Not that I necessarily see Charles giving in to her on that without some explanation of why it's not a good idea.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Zealith on May 10, 2014, 10:18:50 pm
Charles probably has more experience with quarter horses or mustangs. He may not know that it's a bad idea.  :-whistle
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Patti L. on May 10, 2014, 10:29:28 pm
This is true, and something I hadn't considered.  :)
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: White roses on May 10, 2014, 11:17:27 pm
Do you suppose horses can sense werewolves?
 
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Janilee on May 10, 2014, 11:33:04 pm
Probably at least the sent of them.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Zealith on May 10, 2014, 11:38:25 pm
Might not be more than "this person smells scary!" though.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: katy on May 11, 2014, 05:46:10 am
Perhaps Anna's omega nature would work on horses as well as werewolves.  (OK, I have to admit, that sent my brain to imagining Anna in one of those Disney scenarios where all the little forest creatures are doing her housework for her...)  But apparently omegas have some effect on humans, not just on werewolves, so perhaps other animals as well?
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Zealith on May 11, 2014, 10:17:07 am
Yes, but humans and werewolves are very closely related. Plus there's the predator/prey division. Seems unlikely to me.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Elle on June 28, 2014, 09:59:24 am
The blurb is up on the Penguin site here (http://www.penguin.com/book/dead-heat-by-patricia-briggs/9780425256756). Speculate away!

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The Alpha and Omega novels transport readers into the realm of the werewolf, where Charles Cornick and Anna Latham embody opposite sides of the shifter personality. Now, a pleasure trip drops the couple into the middle of some bad supernatural business…

For once, mated werewolves Charles and Anna are not traveling because of Charles’s role as his father’s enforcer. This time, their trip to Arizona is purely personal, as Charles plans to buy Anna a horse for her birthday. Or at least it starts out that way…
Charles and Anna soon discover that a dangerous Fae being is on the loose, replacing human children with simulacrums. The Fae’s cold war with humanity is about to heat up—and Charles and Anna are in the cross fire.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Patti L. on June 28, 2014, 10:41:30 am
O_o
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Janilee on June 28, 2014, 10:49:28 am
O.K.

Arizona = Heat

Horses and racing = Dead Heat.

I wonder why they chose simulacrums rather than the usual changelings?
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Patti L. on June 28, 2014, 10:56:58 am
Not enough fae children on hand.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Varg on June 28, 2014, 02:28:53 pm
Heating up of cold war sounds ominous.

What kind of fae critter would be doing that?
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Patti L. on June 29, 2014, 10:53:56 pm
I'm less interested in what kind than I am in why.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Varg on June 30, 2014, 06:35:00 am
I am curious about both actually.
I wonder if it is part of a larger strategy or if it is some escaped critter.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Zealith on June 30, 2014, 08:25:04 pm
Strategic placing of an army no one would expect?
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Post by: Janilee on June 30, 2014, 08:28:45 pm
Are the Fae now organized enough to create an Army? ???
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Zealith on June 30, 2014, 08:39:41 pm
One or two of them might be. It might not be the whole group.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Janilee on June 30, 2014, 09:19:28 pm
Very true.  :)
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Post by: Zealith on June 30, 2014, 09:38:20 pm
Wouldn't be the first time one was operating alone.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Janilee on June 30, 2014, 09:43:09 pm
Also true. :)
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Post by: Patti L. on June 30, 2014, 10:12:36 pm
For darned sure!
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Janilee on July 17, 2014, 11:20:50 pm
 http://www.amazon.com/Dead-Heat-Alpha-And-Omega/dp/0425256758/ref=pd_rhf_sc_s_cp_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=1QQD02BJ3GVHFN66KQYP

The new picture of Dead Heat is up.
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Post by: Gerd D. on July 18, 2014, 07:11:28 am
Nice.
Charles shows an unexpected feminity to his looks, IMO, and Anna looks really bad-ass in that picture.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Varg on July 18, 2014, 08:33:35 am
:D

I prepordered.
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Post by: SCoutts on July 20, 2014, 03:15:45 pm
I am not crazy about the cover. Anna is ok, but Charles is looking pretty Anglo. If my memory can be trusted, it is mentioned in the books that Charles looks very Native American, and nothing like his Welsh father. And his features seem WASPish to me. I have never meet any Salish Native Americans, so I could be totally wrong.
And he looks really peeved, when he is known for this non-expressions. 
It would have been better if they showed him as a wolf, or kept it as a profile shot that didn't show so much.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Varg on July 20, 2014, 03:18:52 pm
Had to go look. Not entirely sure I agree with you, but I can see some of it. To me he does not look peeved actually. But it is not a complete non expression either.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Zealith on July 23, 2014, 02:57:38 pm
He looks similiar to  most of the Native Americans we have around here (Blackfeet and Flatheads for the most part) so that seems accurate to me.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Patti L. on August 05, 2014, 11:40:15 pm
http://muddycolors.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/dead-heat.html  Blog by Don Dos Santos on how he did the cover.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Janilee on August 06, 2014, 12:04:39 am
Very nice.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Patti L. on November 13, 2014, 01:39:02 pm
From "Mercy's Garage" twitter account:  http://www.orbitbooks.net/2014/11/10/dead-heat-new-alpha-omega-novel-patricia-briggs/
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Janilee on November 13, 2014, 01:53:47 pm
O.K., we now know the antagonist. :D
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Zealith on November 14, 2014, 04:05:13 pm
I'm curious as to what kind of fae.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Janilee on November 14, 2014, 05:06:03 pm
 :D Yup! Just in case you didn't already want to buy/read the book.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Patti L. on November 14, 2014, 10:20:18 pm
I thought you'd already seen that teaser synopsis.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Janilee on November 14, 2014, 10:37:52 pm
Perhaps I had. I didn't remember it. ???
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Post by: Patti L. on November 14, 2014, 10:47:49 pm
*nods*  That happens.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Rinwyn on January 31, 2015, 09:03:59 pm
Is there anyone who has read this yet? My brother in law runs a blog and got an arc for review and after talking me through my few bouts of hyperventilation kindly offered to let me write the review. 5 hours of starvation and a full bladder later I've finished and have no one to talk to about it. Anyone?
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Post by: Patti L. on January 31, 2015, 10:37:06 pm
Bea (charmed) let me have her eARC.
Quite the nasties, eh?
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Post by: Rinwyn on January 31, 2015, 10:50:50 pm
Have you finished already? Oh my goodness! All the feels!

Is charmed perhaps Bea of Bea's Book Nook?
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Patti L. on January 31, 2015, 11:51:01 pm
Yes she is.  She was a mod here until she got overwhelmed with too many calls on her attention and time.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Kkat07 on February 08, 2015, 06:35:45 am
Just read the sample chapter.  :o bOuNcY
This book cannot come out fast enough!
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Post by: Redbirdie on February 08, 2015, 02:17:07 pm
I. CANNOT.  WAIT. bOuNcY
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Post by: Nille on February 08, 2015, 10:40:19 pm
I have just read the sample chapter and i hope so much that Chealsea havent killed her children, but I believe she have killed them  :-'
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Kkat07 on February 18, 2015, 02:04:39 pm
I have just read the sample chapter and i hope so much that Chealsea havent killed her children, but I believe she have killed them  :-'

It is possible that they're hurt, but alive. Maybe just wishful thinking on my part, but in the snippet where Kage was mentioned, it said something about him being angry over what happened to his wife. That was why Charles provoked him, to get him to focus on something else. If his kids were dead, I don't think that would work, and I think he'd be reacting differently. We'll see!
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Itsy-Cat on February 18, 2015, 02:24:27 pm
Maybe...I don't know.
After reading the sample chapter I was pretty sure they were dead. Otherwise, wouldn't there have been crying/screaming in the background or something? Or hospital noises if she'd manage to call an ambulance before calling her husband? I'm pretty sure that she's not calling from a hospital/police cell or anything like that though, because she said 'this knife' and 'blood' during the phone call, which seems to suggest, to me, that the knife and blood are still there, in sight, which means she's still at home. And probably so are her children's bodies. Unless they're alive but unconscious or something? But she used a knife, which means stab wounds and... well, I think they probably are dead. Unless it's a fae trick to just make her think she's killed her children and it was really just all in her imagination?
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Post by: Zealith on February 19, 2015, 04:41:21 pm
She may have fought off the impulse long enough to lock herself in a different room without hurting any of her children.
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Post by: Nille on February 20, 2015, 03:56:10 am
I have been thinking.
Do you remember this from the sample chapters
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“Would you do something for me?” she said through gritted teeth, unable to look away from the bright silver promise of the knife.

“Sure,” Max said, snitching a carrot from the bag she’d put on the counter.
Bad manners to steal food before the cook was ready. Bad.

It end here and the next we know is this
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Chelsea tried not to look at the blood when she called her husband.

“Kage, Kage, Kage,” she chanted in time with the rings.

“This is Kage Sani,” his voice said in her ear, and she could have cried. “I can’t answer right now. Please leave a message and I’ll get back to you as soon as possible.”

“The children,” she said. “Kage. The children.” She wanted to tell him about the children, but she screamed instead. When she caught her breath, and silence fell, she could only whisper, as if another loud noise might wake something evil. Again. “I was so angry, Kage. This knife. Blood. Hurry. Hurry. Hurry. Blood.” When Kage’s phone beeped to signal that it had stopped recording, she was still chanting into the mouthpiece.

Maybe she had felt she were a treat to her children and asked the oldest to take his siblings away from her. Maybe her headache was from a fea trying to controlling her so she would hurt her children. Dead Heat is about the fea hunting children.
I think maybe the fea had tried to make her hurt her children and she asked the oldest to get to safety with his siblings and then she, maybe hurt herself so she didn't follow the children. Afterward she called her husband and tried to tell him he needed to protect the children.

Doesn't it sound reasonable? I will feel better with that outcome instead of her hurting or killing the children.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Itsy-Cat on February 20, 2015, 11:17:38 am
I think that someone must have been hurt, otherwise, why would she keep mentioning the blood, and screaming, and looking at the knife?

But... I think you're right that it could be that she had enough control to tell the children to leave, and then lock herself in, then stab herself to make sure she couldn't go after them.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: pondhawk on February 21, 2015, 01:03:47 pm
Is that a big Arab racing area? Term could apply to more than one thing.
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Post by: Zealith on February 27, 2015, 04:09:58 pm
From the facebook chat: That [being in a character's head through the change to being a werewolf] sounds like a very good idea for a short story . . . no promises though. There is a little of that in Dead Heat.
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Post by: DandelionWine on March 01, 2015, 01:21:00 pm
 I’m going to apologize in advance for this long post and also if I sound bossy on the topic, Arabian horses are near and dear to me!

I just got through reading this whole thread, (thank goodness I got here before it grew TOO big!  Lol) and I’ve got a few comments not too related to the books.  First of all, to those who say that Arabian horses aren’t good for beginning riders, you can’t paint a whole breed of horse with a single brush.  Yes, they can be high strung, but they aren’t all the same.  They are often quite smart which can be a problem, because smart horses can be a challenge, but mostly the reputation of being too high strung is due to poor breeding, poor training, and too many people not willing to geld their “Prize” Arabian stallions which means they add to the poor breeding out there . 

-- * -- Yes, that’s a huge pet peeve of mine from back in the days of working for a trainer who had to deal with people sending those ‘prizes’ to be trained and then being upset when they don’t live up to the expectations of the owners who have MUCH more money than brains.  They absolutely refused to listen to the trainers who tried to (gently and carefully) explain that while the horse was not (and never would be) a first rate stallion, it could very well be a perfectly awesome gelding.  Arabians are very often amazingly gentle creatures when bred properly, raised properly, trained properly and treated right.
       
Like any other breed of animal, there is a spectrum of personalities and there are absolutely good individuals out there of any breed which can be great for beginner riders, which from reading the sample chapter, Anna isn’t so much. 

Scottsdale AZ has a huge number of Arabian Horse farms both for breeding and training, and the Scottsdale Arabian Horse Show is a HUGE event in the Arabian world.  The excitement of it all still gets me tingling just from thinking about it even after YEARS away from that world!
 
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: Patti L. on March 01, 2015, 06:32:33 pm
Yep, there are always outliers, the extra mellow, as well as the crazed ones.
Like any other type of animal that humans are involved with, there can be poor breeding & training.
Title: Re: [A&O #4] Dead Heat: Speculation
Post by: pondhawk on March 02, 2015, 08:19:32 am
Arabs aren't really crazed, just highly reactive on average compared with other breeds. That reactivity is hard for a beginner who's not in full control of their aids, especially the reins and legs. And the average beginner's aids are quite hard on a reactive horse.

By the same token, there are lots of mutts and quarter horses who are superb rides for a more advanced rider. Arabs tend to be tops for endurance, though, which would make one a good choice for the kind of riding Charles and Anna probably do. And an Arab is kind of blingy as horses go, which would fit with Charles' gift giving tastes.
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Post by: Varg on March 02, 2015, 02:47:44 pm
Time now: 11.46pm time when I can realistically expect the book to arrive in my kindle: 0600 am. bOuNcY bOuNcY
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Post by: Janilee on March 02, 2015, 03:53:54 pm
 :D
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Post by: Patti L. on March 02, 2015, 04:16:17 pm
I get mine in about... 26-27 more hours.  :D
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Post by: Varg on March 03, 2015, 07:27:57 am
I have book! :D
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Post by: Patti L. on March 03, 2015, 01:34:26 pm
5 more hours!
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Post by: Janilee on March 03, 2015, 02:25:25 pm
Should get mine on Friday.
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Post by: katy on March 03, 2015, 03:58:01 pm
It's here!!!   bOuNcY bOuNcY bOuNcY bOuNcY bOuNcY bOuNcY

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Post by: Patti L. on March 04, 2015, 12:20:24 am
It's autographed, in green.  :)