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Title: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: YuleRule on March 11, 2014, 07:31:07 am
Just finished reading the book. I really liked it, especially as we get glimpses of secondary characters as well.

We get a glimpse of how powerful Tad is, we see Samuel and Ariana, and Stephan as well. Tony brings up the fact that he saw her shift to coyote last book as well. Oh, and honey and Mercy talk about their issues somewhat.

And major long-term spoiler:
I was so happy to hear that Mercy's going to have a longer than human lifespan due to her father being Coyote (And she says out loud that she has daddy issues, in her denial that Coyote is her father) so she's closer to the source of her magic than the average walker.

There are more Mercy books after this one, right?

And Mercy definitely knows how to/is coyote-trouble, with her actions at the end of the book.

~~Split from spoiler thread.  Mods.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken ** Spoilers**
Post by: midnight on March 11, 2014, 10:43:01 am
I've just finished.  :)  Loved it. Mercy is just fantastic. She is completely my favourite heroine. As I predicted Christy drove me crazy. I don't think I could have handled her as well as Mercy did. The only thing that left me a little perplexed was how abrupt the ending was. This made me think that this is a cliff hanger for the next book because I know how good of a writer Patty is. She's leaving me salivating for more.  :D 
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **Spoilers**
Post by: Baum Diggity on March 11, 2014, 12:55:54 pm
Mods, I think we may need to open up a NB thread with spoilers :)

Your wish is my command!  8)

Thank you, all mighty moderators on high! Sorry I didn't see this sooner - I've avoided the area like plague until I finished, myself.  :D
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **Spoilers**
Post by: Patti L. on March 11, 2014, 01:53:00 pm
And done!
Thursday or Friday I'll be using The Black Bars of Doom!  Please remember to apply them liberally, folks.  :D
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Zealith on March 11, 2014, 02:57:22 pm
I really love how Mercy got her revenge on Christy. And Jesse's response- I'll dye my hair and we can be twins!
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: CarolKat on March 11, 2014, 04:07:31 pm
I totally loved all the great things we found out about everyone in this book!!! Looking forward to the next one!!!! I absolutely love the relationship between Jesse and Mercy  :-LOVE  and the way Adam and Mercy  :-LOVE have grown. Christy well I would punched her lights out  >:( !!!! Mercy's restraint was very admirable!  :D
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Moonbeam on March 12, 2014, 03:15:24 am
I really love how Mercy got her revenge on Christy. And Jesse's response- I'll dye my hair and we can be twins!

Without going into too many personal details about my failed marriage, and why it failed (mainly because my ex was no Adam, unfortunately... ha), I was at one time in a situation that was almost exactly the mundane version of what Mercy goes through in this book (meaning the fake stalker was not a volcano god - and actually was not even a person because the bitch made him up).

Suffice it to say, when I found her crap in my shower after having already told her (multiple times) to KEEP OUT, I was inspired to do exactly what Mercy did. Unfortunately, I was so poor at the time that I was barely making rent, and destitute to the point that I was on a Ramen-only diet. There was no question of purchasing dye or Nair, no matter how satisfying - it simply wasn't an option. So I resorted to just pouring it all out, leaving her with empty bottles.

If you think Christy is good at looking like a victim and villainizing Mercy... wow... you don't even know. Unfortunately, my marriage didn't survive it because the ex fell for every single trick - hook, line, and sinker. He did not even care when the woman was exposed as a liar who had been using him the entire time. By then, he was so convinced that I was the most spiteful, hideous, mean-spirited sow on the face of the planet. We were no more.

Fortunately, he was never my mate... only my husband.

And though most of that has very little to do with the plot of this book, I said all that to say that this scene with the shampoo in the end really touched me in a profound way. It is such an after-thought amid the rest of what goes on in the book (all of which I enjoyed immensely), but it's what made me connect with the story.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: DandelionWine on March 12, 2014, 07:17:11 am
My new favorite comment to use as a sort of farewell is now "Don't juggle porcupines!" 

Not spoilerizing that because really, even if you haven't read it yet, it'll just make you wonder where it might pop up!     LOL
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: marci8300 on March 12, 2014, 08:09:58 am
I really enjoyed reading this last book.  It did end abruptly though like midnight pointed out.  I sure hope that is right though, that it is a cliffhanger.  I cannot believe that the walking stick decided to come back to Mercy again even after giving it to Lugh's son!  Maybe it is because he didn't accept it right away saying that it wasn't the right one?

 How does everyone feel about Mercy still having the blood bond to Stephen though?  That was kind of a shocker to me, although, Adam didn't seem to surprised.

How does everyone feel about Gary's feeling towards Coyote?  I honestly do think that Coyote is trying to help Mercy in his own weird way.  I think that he does care for Mercy...but isn't exactly sure how to express those feelings?  Any thoughts?  I also think I need to add that I think it is AWESOME that Mercy found out that she has a brother and was even telling everyone that he was her brother!  I hope that we get to see that relationship bloom!

What do you think is going to happen when Bran realizes that the federal agents were going to take Mercy in for questioning?  I think that if the government were to somehow get ahold of Mercy, then Bran will be right beside Adam, fighting to get her back.....well, that is if Mercy wasn't able to get out of it herself.

I think that is enough for now.  I really did enjoy this book though.  And as DanelionWine has pointed out....."Don't juggle porcupines!"   LOL
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: midnight on March 12, 2014, 10:24:05 am
The blood bond between Mercy and Stefan I can honestly say, if it were any other vampire I would be worried, but as it is Stefan I'm generally ok with it. I can see how it might bother her and I can also see why Stefan kept it a secret. It is still not an ideal situation because of who Mercy is and her position with the wolves but at the time it was made, it was necessary.

What I did find interesting though is when Adam said Stefan was more than just a little in love with her. When I read that I had a flash back to that scene in the basement in blood bound, where he was "whispering words of love".
    :-LOVE  I love Stefan, I wish he could find some kind of happiness, he needs it.

Wulfe however,  ??? that man is spooky, fun to read about but spooky. Ironically, I love finding out more information on him. He fascinates me.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: skb2k on March 12, 2014, 02:45:46 pm
I really love how Mercy got her revenge on Christy. And Jesse's response- I'll dye my hair and we can be twins!

The pack watching and re-watching the video of Mercy's fight with Volcano God Man.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Zealith on March 12, 2014, 08:49:35 pm
There were a number of great scenes. I also liked Adam and Mercy's discussion of shoes.
I kind of feel like the new submissive didn't have much plot purpose though.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: White roses on March 12, 2014, 10:45:50 pm
The problem with PB's writing is that she sets the bar so high.  Loved the depth of the relationships and I so want an Adam. 
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: marci8300 on March 13, 2014, 08:56:24 am
Zealith, I think that the point of the new submissive wolf was to show that he was having panic attacks like Mercy used to get.  Did you notice how uncomfortable he was when he first approached Mercy in her garage?  It seems to me that he has been abused in some way and is trying to find a place to belong but is so scared to let people in and help him.  I sure am hoping that Ben is able to take a stand to help him out in the next book, especially with as much as we have seen Ben grow.  Although, I'm not exactly sure if he will stay in this pack with all the problems that they seem to be having, especially with them accepting a coyote into the pack as well as the newest addition (I can't seem to remember the name of the new one that Mercy accepted into the pack....but I do have to ask...did she accept him into Adams pack or did she accept him into her own pack?)  It will be interesting to see if he is going to stay or go.

Another question that has been kind of floating around in my head.  Mercy's brother, Gary, was able to do some sort of magic.  I wonder if he is going to teach Mercy how to do that?  Is he planning on sticking around....or is he going to go?

One other thing.....how in the world is PB going to come up with a more terrifying monster for Mercy and Adam to fight?  I mean, seriously, she has set the bar so extremely high that it isn't even funny! 
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Zealith on March 13, 2014, 12:29:34 pm
I did see that, but other than a comparison to show how Mercy had progressed I didn't see much about him that advanced the plot. Though he could have been introduced to show Mercy's progression. He might have also been used to show the possibility of bringing in someone else to the pack.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kyria on March 13, 2014, 09:45:18 pm
Gah, spoiler bars are making it hard for me to keep people's comments straight. 

But first I have to say that I, too, have every intention of using "Don't juggle porcupines!" as a parting remark. 

Loved Tad in this one, and glad we got to see a little Sam, Ari, Stephan, and Tony, but I could have done with more of them.  I mean, I like Gary Laughingdog, but I guess my preference for old friends and suspicion of new acquaintances however awesome they may be, is reflected in which characters I want to have around.  But I liked when Samuel claimed Adam as a brother-in-law.  And speaking of Cornick men, I love getting little glimpses of how Charles loved Mercy and protected her when she was little, even though she says back in Moon Called (and maybe at least one other time) that she thought he hated her; and of course she says many times that she was scared of him.  I think he had/has a great deal of respect for her.

Re: the walking stick.  I can't decide if I think that it just finds Mercy more interesting at the moment than ap Lugh (ie, he's going to try to keep it in fairy land, while she takes it out on adventures), or if it's hungry and thinks Mercy will let it eat some more interesting monsters, or if maybe Beauclaire encouraged it to help Mercy this time, or if it has just developed an affinity for Mercy... My money is on the first one.  Especially since it didn't come back to her from Coyote, and you know he was keeping it interested.  But isn't one of the things you learn from fairy tales, that you never know what the fae are thinking?  Especially when it's a fae thing that technically shouldn't be thinking at all?

Re: blood bond to Stephen.  Not surprised.  A little miffed that he lied to her about it, but I do understand his motivation.  And while I only trust him about 85% (he is a vampire after all), I think he's earned the benefit of the doubt on this one.

Re: Gary/Mercy/Coyote, family dynamics and revelations.  Love that Mercy has the possibility of a long life.  I was worried about Adam.  Also LOVE that Gary and Mercy identified as siblings.  I hope Mercy introduces him to her sisters. And I think that for all he says about disliking Coyote, I suspect things are a lot more complicated than that - aren't they always, between parent and child? - and also that Coyote is playing a very long game and I think he'd like to keep his offspring alive for as long as possible, but death and danger simply don't mean the same thing to someone who regenerates each time he dies.  Coyote is impulsive and rash, and he means it when he says that rules and safety are boring... but did you all notice how he shut up when Mercy said she followed rules when it meant those she loved were safe? and how Mercy basically agreed that rules are meant to be broken and too much safety is boring. 
Gary Laughingdog has an affinity for trouble because he's Coyote's son, but he also doesn't have a death wish so he'd like to keep it to manageable amounts of trouble, thank you very much.  And Coyote's rashness gets a little too close to the line sometimes.  Over the course of his very long life, Gary has probably had more than enough experiences too add up to being very suspicious of bad things coming, any time Dad comes to visit.  But I think he also thinks it's sort of fun, to be in the middle of the action, or he'd have acted a lot more reluctant.  Even if he stuck around only because he needed to protect the people he'd come to care about, I got the wrong vibe for him to be really that upset about it.


Re: the pack watching Mercy's fight on the projection screen.  Oh, this made me laugh so hard.  I got an impression of collective "Not all of us like her all the time, but she's a little spitfire and dang, we're glad she's on our team."

Re: new submissive.  I'm not sure from where, but his name tripped something in my memory banks and I spent twenty minutes trying to figure out where the heck I've heard of him before.  So is it this series or someone else's where we've got a character surnamed Drummond?  This is going to bother me until I track him down.  I suspect that he had one of two purposes:  Either he needed an introduction here so that he can be more important in the next book, which I think is more likely, or else it was as simple as the pack needing a submissive so that the tension with everyone being at Honey's didn't boil over... so his place in the plot was to keep it from getting side-tracked by too much pack politics.

I was kind of surprised with how long it took, and the hinting required, to get Mercy to think of trying to bring Joel into the pack.  She notices that the bonds are like and not-like pack bonds right away.  I also think it was smarter for her to try stealing the bonds rather than cutting the dog-thing loose as Coyote apparently expected (and okay, I expected it too.  I didn't realize that Mercy could bring someone into the pack herself!) Joel himself might be a good person, but who knows how much control he would have over the volcano spirit thing if left to his own devices... or Guayota might have been able to re-gain at least some control again. Instead, Mercy brings the immortal's loyalty over to herself, and they can figure out later if it's safe to let Joel go it alone. 
Granted, I'm sure there's going to be plenty of backlash over another non-werewolf in the pack, but since the action kept Guayota from killing them all I almost think Mercy's going to get less backlash than Adam did when he made Mercy pack.  Also, Joel's canine form isn't seen as quite as underpowered as Mercy's coyote. 
 
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: DandelionWine on March 14, 2014, 07:46:50 am
Must we use the spoiler bars here?  It really is annoying and this is clearly a spoiler section.  I thought we could go without since the topic is totally a spoiler area.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Zealith on March 14, 2014, 04:51:48 pm
We usually use them for a week or two after the release if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on March 15, 2014, 12:32:51 am
Sorry, DW; I have strong memories of an old member grumbling about 'there were the spoiler penguins doing their spoiler dance, and I waltzed right past, and was annoyed to see spoilers out in 'the open'' so... bars.

Now... Stephan... oh, that's a humdinger.  And Adam's acceptance of it, after he pulled her into the pack in response to Stephan's pull on her when his 'sheep' were sundered from him!

Joel, the new 'pack member' from Mercy stealing him from the volcano god... that's interesting on a lot of levels.  She can bring new members in of her own, as Alpha Mate.  She thought of it.  She stole him from Ebil Guy. He has to be canid 23/24. Oh...  poor sod, too.

The new submissive.  The pack needs at least one.   Hope they get more!  Poor Zach.  And think "Bulldog Drummond" perhaps.  I suspect that for all Patty says "I write SHORT novels!"
this is... well, a novel in two parts.  Zach's utility will show up in the next volume, I dare say.  Interesting how he reacted to Gary, and Gary to him, don't you think?  How would that have played out if Zach had been put up at Adam & Mercy's house, or Honey's, to start with, inste  ad of Kyle & Warren's?


Warren's 'for the moment' acceptance from the pack. . . wow.  That was a tear-jerker!  Seriously deserved.  Still.

Mercy's fight being seen by the rest of the pack.  Good.  Very good.  Let them FINALLY see that she's fighting for all mankind.  Mankind as base human, werewolf, witch, or fae.  Mankind as CANTRIP or North American supernatural.  It doesn't matter to Mercy, she's fighting for the right of the underdog to dog, if you will.  And if the pack gets some back-splash, well... they're strong, and once upon a time they were base-human too.  Most of them wish they still were, so why do they object to her fighting for the base humans to continue living in their dream world?  Yours was spoiled?  Don't pee on your younger siblings' parades, wolves.


Now, the ending.  Did you ever see anything that more clearly showed that the author intended to continue writing the series?  Beauclaire's involvement... could have been left out unless he's going to be important - or the walking staff is going to be important - in the next volume.  I think... this is going to be where the alignment of the fae & the werewolves, or other, unclassified supernaturals, is going to come under scrutiny. 
The Walking Stick itself... you wonder, at this point.  Is it now blood hungry, and sensing somehow that Mercy is going to be getting more immortal blood to feed it?  Or is it... a person in itself, now?  Perhaps, because of quenching, rather late, in River Devil's blood, it is now a dark artifact? Will Mercy be required, reluctantly, to destroy it before it too has an unquenchable hunger, like the volcano god?


Whew, I did go on a while!
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kyria on March 15, 2014, 11:18:51 am
What I liked about the ending was that it is absolutely clear that the series will continue, and there are plenty of unanswered questions, but none of them is really a cliff-hanger.  It feels resolved. 
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: jenniwee on March 15, 2014, 04:15:50 pm
Loved this one--it may be my favorite for the Mercy/Adam relationship. It was nice to see them content with each other, even though the circumstances were far from ideal.

I think that the walking stick ends up back with Mercy because of how Beauclaire initially rejects it.  He throws it back at Mercy--nearly hitting her and she notices that it is sulky and reluctant to go to him a second time.  I think the walking stick is a case of the fae underestimating one of their own objects.

As for Zack, ok, let me say here, I read the last chapter first, always do, bad Jenni, bad!  However, it sometimes let you catch some foreshadowing you might otherwise miss.  When I read the scene where Adam brings Zack into the pack, my thought was, oh hey, that's going to be how they defeat the bad guy!  As for Zach himself, I'm assuming he'll be important in another story.  At this point, I trust PB when she brings in someone I may not initially like or think is very interesting.

One thing I really want to see, somewhere, soon, is a scene with Mercy and Charles together--INTERACTING--with perspectives from BOTH!!!  I really just want to know what goes through his head when he deals with her.  PB has dropped too many tidbits throughout both the Mercy and A&O novels that I really want to see how he views the relationship, especially since so many of those bits imply that he had a much larger presence in her childhood than we originally thought.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kyria on March 15, 2014, 04:39:34 pm
Jenni, I'm also in favor of some sort of "Charles POV" of Mercy. 
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Zealith on March 15, 2014, 10:12:44 pm
Yes, I would love to see some of that as well.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: DandelionWine on March 16, 2014, 10:26:41 am
I have a huge list of points to ponder, but I'm not going to just list them all out because that's just monotonous.  My biggest two things are:


Is the guy pulling the strings of the two CANTRP agents Orton & Kent one of the same ones who was behind the kidnapping of the pack in Frost Burned?

Did Mercy ever tell Adam that she is likely to live longer than normal?
 
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on March 16, 2014, 10:36:47 am
Frost was behind the kidnapping; I suppose if Armstrong didn't get enough info to arrest the CANTRIP Higher Up, he could still be at it, but the impression was that there was some house cleaning done.

As to Mercy, She had no clue, remember, SHE never met another walker/Avatar until River Marked, and while Carson Twospoon lived a long time, it was humanly long.  We have no idea if any of the folks she met in RM have talked with her about how old they might expect to live, or her either, as being purer blood.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: DandelionWine on March 16, 2014, 11:04:31 am
Well Patti L., I got the impression in Frost Burned that there was more behind the attack on the pack than just Frost.   I reread FB before the release of NB, and I still think that.

Mercy's talk with Gary Laughingdog in NB, where she learned how old Gary is and that she is likely to have a similar life expectancy barring disease, bullets, getting hit by a bus etc etc. since they are both direct first generation walkers... (or is it second?)
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on March 16, 2014, 11:14:54 am
If we think of Coyote as first generation, I'd tend to think of Mercy as 3rd, because she always insists he wasn't her father, or else she'd have to hunt him down and hurt him for leaving her mom.   Her actual purity of blood... well, this is magic, not science.  I'm not going to make my head hurt trying to parse that out.

And there are always more motives than one.  Consider how The Monster's weapon grade taser tool meshed in with Gary Wallace's activities.  So, yeah, it could well be.  Or different people with the same hatred, not necessarily coordinated.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: DandelionWine on March 16, 2014, 11:54:00 am
The way I see it, if she accepts that Gary is her half-brother, to me it's clear that she knows that Coyote is her father, even if she is choosing (at least so far) to verbally maintain that it was not he but Joe Old Coyote who was her father.  It has been a necessary (to her) fiction for her to maintain so that her Mother doesn't get involved in the confusion of Coyote being alive, and so she can stay on reasonably decent terms with Coyote.  Also, she now probably will have to consider his discussion of what it is like for him to die, one moment he is there, then, *clap* he is elsewhere, and everything is different. 

Perhaps she can accept now that while Joe 'could', maybe 'should' have been more careful because of Margie, that would have been about as likely as it would be for HER to avoid trouble and not scare Adam half to death, or he to scare her.  They all behave as their natures demand.  She, (and Adam) are heroes who can't leave people to their deadly fates, and Coyote (and Joe) are/were the trickster who can't help taunting vampires or anything else that pops up in their path.

Gary Laughing-dog has done his best to avoid trouble, (and Coyote), but this time he stepped up to the plate and helped when he was needed, so perhaps HIS nature has begun some small change.  Perhaps now he has found something to love and care for, family? Friends? Loved ones?  Something to regret losing, but also, something worth standing to fight for.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kyria on March 16, 2014, 12:37:17 pm
Yeah, I think Mercy is F1 generation (first offspring) as well.  Joe Old Coyote was not Coyote's son, he was an individual who was both his own individual, and Coyote.  Joe wouldn't have seen himself as Coyote, therefore he was not Coyote.  But at the same time, he was fully inhabited Coyote.  Maybe Coyote's insistence that Joe is Mercy's dad, not Coyote, is partially out of respect for the human man... and it might also be partially to spare Mercy's feelings.  Don't you remember back in River Marked, Mercy says something about how if Coyote was her father, she'd have to be angry with him/resent him for never being there for her.  So complicated as it is, she prefers it if Coyote is not her father.  And I wondered then if Coyote might understand that on some level.  He might not be sparing her feelings for her sake, but rather because she'll be easier to manipulate if she doesn't hate him... but he has also shown that he understands the need to protect loved ones.  Even if Coyote's idea of protection isn't always the expected... Coyote, like Joe, sees himself as the hero, I think. 

I think I believe DW's assessment of Gary Laughingdog, as well.  I think he's spent an awful lot of time trying to avoid trouble, but I can see him staying in touch with Mercy and the CB pack, and giving them a hand when it's needed. It's not so much that he's found family, I think, because all of the coyote walkers would technically be his nieces, nephews, and great^n -nieces and -nephews.  It's that he's found family who he can be proud of; family he can rely on... and now that Mercy and her people are people he cares about, he'll be there for them. 
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: BillG on March 17, 2014, 12:54:54 am

I kind of feel like the new submissive didn't have much plot purpose though.

This is a series, and it makes sense to introduce something in one book (characters, situations, upcoming events) that will not come to fruition until the next story.
That said, it is also a classic convention of story-telling that goes back to the Greek and Roman times to include things in the story that merely show the audience/reader that the characters are not just in the story, but have a life. Shakespeare used that convention, so if that's what it is here Patty is following the lead of the masters of old. :)

I don't know if that's considered spoiling (spoilish?) or not, so I've used the Bars of Darkness.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: BillG on March 17, 2014, 02:04:21 am
One other thing.....how in the world is PB going to come up with a more terrifying monster for Mercy and Adam to fight?  I mean, seriously, she has set the bar so extremely high that it isn't even funny!

I hope that is not the future of these stories. I'd like to see something small, sneaky and nasty or anything but an attempt to keep finding a bigger monster.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Zealith on March 17, 2014, 02:05:45 am
Yes, but Patty has said she's a pantser. Do you think she's planned that far ahead? Though I do like the idea him being there just to show a world exists outside the plot.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: BillG on March 17, 2014, 02:36:56 am
Yes, but Patty has said she's a pantser. Do you think she's planned that far ahead? [/spoiler]

Pantser? I missed her comment, and I'm afraid it's over my head. :-[
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Zealith on March 17, 2014, 02:55:26 am
Writes by the seat of her pants instead of planning it all out. I could be mistaken. It's too late for me to go looking through interviews for that comment though.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: BillG on March 17, 2014, 03:04:03 am
Mercy's fight being seen by the rest of the pack.  Good.  Very good.  Let them FINALLY see that she's fighting for all mankind.  Mankind as base human, werewolf, witch, or fae.  Mankind as CANTRIP or North American supernatural.  It doesn't matter to Mercy, she's fighting for the right of the underdog to dog, if you will.  And if the pack gets some back-splash, well... they're strong, and once upon a time they were base-human too.  Most of them wish they still were, so why do they object to her fighting for the base humans to continue living in their dream world?  Yours was spoiled?  Don't pee on your younger siblings' parades, wolves.

This is what Christy shows she does not understand at the end. She whinges about how the pack all think she farts rainbows (or words near that) while not all loving her and misses that Mercy is all about the others while Christy is all about Christy.
Oh, yeah, and Bulldog Drummond popped in my (alleged) mind as well.


Thanks, Zealth. So, I dunno. We'll see.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Janilee on March 17, 2014, 10:05:02 pm
O.K., this is after my first read through. I usually need two reads to solidify my ideas.

We know that the story will continue. (Contracts and interviews and all that.) My bet is the next story will be the rescue of Tad and perhaps a way to lower the tension between the Fae and the mortal world. Perhaps with Alpha and Omega help to uncover the CANTRIP plotters.

Christy is a lovely plot twister to throw in for general mass confusion. I love how both Adam and Mercy cooperate to lessen her effects. I also like how their relationship is evolving. Darryl's irritation with himself she he realize Christy has once again used his wife to play him against Mercy is beautiful. Christy's twistyness is also a great plot devise to show Honey as the fully developed personality she is. Honey likes and admires Mercy, but does not like all of the changes Mercy creates. The fact that Christy's plots let Honey move from her sorrow to defense of Mercy when the pack starts to split shows how well Patty Briggs can develop a complex character.

As for our new submissive in the pack I can see him doing several things for the plot. He made it possible for the audience to view the ceremony of the entry of a new pack member. It had been hinted at, but not fully shown. It gave us an image to link up with then Joel was teasing with the wound on Mercy's arm. Zack's fear provides a way to see Gary in a more complex way. Zack also provides Ben with a future good deed.

The pack is also evolving with the changes that Mercy is inflicting upon them. Their acceptance of Honey as a fighter, and Warren as a valued members due in some part to Mercy's effect as a catalyst for change. (For which I do believe she can blame Coyote!  :D ) It is also due to Adam's skills as a leader. And then of course the Character of Warren and Honey allow for the change to take place. :)

I predict that the next adventure will not be a more powerful monster precisely, but a more complicated plot that will require Mercy to use not only her knowledge of other cultures, but her contacts in many worlds.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on March 17, 2014, 10:24:49 pm
That last strikes me as most likely, Janilee.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: BillG on March 18, 2014, 02:31:34 am
That last strikes me as most likely, Janilee.

I started to try saying I agree with and like that also, and then realized I was failing to say that I like the whole post. ???
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: catchmeifyoucan on March 18, 2014, 02:33:16 am
I really loved this book but it is funny, the villian didn't impress me very much. To me he wasn't nearly as intimidating as many of the other bad guys that Mercy and Charles/Anna have already taken on.  What gripped me was everything that happened within the pack and with the mischief that Christy created (talk about Coyote being a mischief maker, I think Christy is right up with the way she causes havoc!). 

That so many members of the pack would be foolish enough to fall for Christy's very obvious traps and power plays really angered me (they obviously never read Games People Play by Eric Berne.  Christy really, really seemed to take pages right out of that psych book.).   I understand Mary Jo falling for anything Christy says since she, I think, is still motivated by jealousy  but I really thought Auriele was more discerning than that.  Loved that Honey, Warren and Ben were not pulled in at all!! 

I would have liked Adam to have been more assertive with Christy on her place in the household and for showing less respect to Mercy thans she deserved.  And why, after Mercy said no to Christy's stuff being in their bathroom, would Adam have been okay with Christy leaving her shampoo in their shower?  I didn't get that at all unless Christy just snuck it in and Adam didn't notice with everything else that was going on.

As to the future, I'm sort of hoping that Gary continues to show up.  I think it would be great for Mercy to have a sibling around and I think Gary would be really helpful in getting Honey through her grief.  I wonder what role Joel will play in the pack and how the pack members will react to him - bearing in mind that he was instrumental in ending the volcano god's threat.  And I wonder what caused Zack to be so frightend, he reminds me of Anna before Charles helped her out of her shell.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Janilee on March 18, 2014, 01:29:47 pm
That last strikes me as most likely, Janilee.

I started to try saying I agree with and like that also, and then realized I was failing to say that I like the whole post. ???

 LOL Why, thank you. I'll have more when I've finished the second read through.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on March 18, 2014, 05:12:24 pm
Won't we all?  Including the :o - Mercy thanked a fae!  Ari, but still...
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kyria on March 18, 2014, 05:20:49 pm
Wait, I missed that.  I thought she thanked Tad.
I'm waiting to get my hard copy from Labmate this weekend for the re-read, though.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on March 18, 2014, 05:31:24 pm
That one is 50% so who knows if it sticks there?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kyria on March 18, 2014, 06:50:17 pm
He might have 50% human blood, but he kind of proved himself more than just your average half-fae in this book, didn't he?  BUT he is Mercy's friend.  I trust him with her thanks more than I trust Stephen.  And I'm not particularly suspicious of Stephan.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on March 18, 2014, 07:22:29 pm
That's fine, but it's still the other one, with Adam & the Gang of Four near the end that I'm referring to.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: BillG on March 19, 2014, 02:06:09 am
Ahh, I missed that one. Gee, I guess I'll have to re-read it. Horrors! :-whistle
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: YuleRule on March 19, 2014, 07:00:35 am
I think it's quite interesting that Ariana says that she is much weaker than she used to be, while Zee and Tad are so powerful. (Does anybody know whether Ariana has panic attacks near Mercy, as she's also a canid.)

As for Mercy and Coyote: My understanding is that Coyote IS Mercy's father, and she's aware of that, but that she denies it, because it hurts her that he, in essence, abandoned her. However, the more they interact, the more she can come to terms with that.

I thought it really interesting that Gary mentioned
Quote
Fingerprints?” I said. “DNA? Facial-recognition software? Hard to lose yourself in this day and age.” That had been the main reason that the werewolves had finally come out to the public.
He raised an eyebrow. “You mean you don’t know how to fix those?” Then he shrugged, gestured with his chin toward Coyote. “He taught me a trick or two. He can teach you, too. Gary Laughingdog is no more. I’ll pick a different name and be someone else.”

So not only will Mercy have a long life, but she can learn to have more tricks up her sleeve.

Also, I think that it's getting a bit repetative that at the end of every book, for the last couple of books, that she gets seriously injured. I hope that in the next book, there won't be such obvious monsters, but rather exploring the relations between, fae, werewolves, and CANTRIP.

As for the walking stick, it sems that while it may still be bloodthirsty, Coyote has taught it to hide that, so perhaps it will be discriminatingly bloodthirsty? And I don't think it's leaving Mercy again. Also, I think it may be useful, as Mercy says of the other  walking sticks "One of them helps you find your way home, and the third allows you to see people as they really are.” and considering that Coyote basically admits to teaching it to ape the others, it should be interesting.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: marci8300 on March 19, 2014, 09:31:25 am
The walking stick really likes Mercy.  I think that maybe the reason that it keeps on coming back to her is because it sees all of the adventures that she has in her life and just cannot stay away.  Or maybe....just maybe....the walking stick will help the pack realize what a manipulative person Christy really is?  Just a thought.

You know....that quote about changing your face and DNA.....I wonder Gary could help teach Mercy how to do that....and if she could do that on other people beside just herself?  If the government starts trying to cause problems with the werewolves, can they just disappear and become new people?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Janilee on March 19, 2014, 08:44:16 pm
It took me the second read through to figure out why the title is Night Broken. 9)
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Zealith on March 19, 2014, 09:26:57 pm
 LOL :D
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: YuleRule on March 20, 2014, 12:47:20 pm
I'm thinking about it...and not getting it. Why is the title Night Broken?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on March 20, 2014, 03:51:05 pm
Page 93 When Mercy and Honey go to visit Gary Laughingdog in prison and he has his vision about Guayota he says  "His children howl his name and hunger for blood until the night is broken with their cries".

~~spoiler bars added at member request. :)
Patti L.,
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Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on March 20, 2014, 05:05:09 pm
I'm glad Mercy still has a bond with Stefan it seems to be the main reason he hasn't completely gone back to the seethe. He's much better off staying bonded to someone who cares about him, than going back to Marsila. Wulfe is creepy to the extreme, but I found him really interesting, I enjoyed both his and Stefan's part in the book. I'm glad Tad's back and working with Mercy in the garage again, I miss Zee's presence though. My favorite parts in the book were when Mercy finally told off Christy, and Gary's story about how he ended up in jail was hilarious, along with the prank Mercy played on Leah coming to light. I wonder what Bran thought when he heard about the whole mess concerning the volcano god, and what he'd do if the Cantrip agents had gotten ahold of Mercy?

I didn't really understand Adam in the book, I liked his character in all the previous books much better, he made me pretty mad at him certain times throughout Night Broken. I mean why did Christy keep answering his phone? Adam had to know Mercy wouldn't like it, and in fact she doesn't when she finds out, but she never asks him about it. When Mercy calls Adam and Christy answers and he finds out she told Mercy he was unavailable to talk to his own wife he continues to let Christy answer his phone. Than there's the deal where Mercy's in danger and calls Adam and Christy decides to delay and play games, where was he? Mercy loses enough weight I think Tad mentions her bones are starting to show, and only after she tells Adam she's going to stop and pick up food on the way home does he tell her he's noticed she hasn't been eating, so he must of noticed she's been losing weight. Adam tells Mercy if she needs a night off she can stay the night at Kyle's, which would leave him with his ex while Mercy is his wife and mate. He defends Christy and says just because Mercy may think she's to blame doesn't mean she is and he's hurt instead of angry when he finds out Christy put the pack in danger by not warning them she knew her stalker wasn't human. I also can't help but think if Adam would have flat out told Christy he would never get back together with her or leave Mercy, instead of saying Thank You when Christy inappropriately told Adam she loved him, maybe she wouldn't of had so much hope in them reuniting. He lets Christy have the peach room because the blue one makes her sad? Christy's makeup in the bathroom upsets Mercy yet he allows her to use it again when Mercy found her shampoo. The tender looks and laughing with his ex wife going down memory lane, while Mercy sits left out. And Christy lived around the wolves when they were married yet she wanted Adam to take off work and stay with her because she felt uncomfortable when he wasn't there, especially when she considers him a monster too. The biggest thing was when Mercy almost died saving everyone again and Christy comes to tell her she wished she died and throws a fit about her blue hair, while Mercy laid in a hospital bed. All Adam had to say when Mercy told him was that she isn't Christy favorite person. Mercy, and Adam both agree Christy's a good person, but nothing we've learned about her seems that way, a good person wouldn't do the things she has or sleep with their friends boyfriend (husband) just to prove they can.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: marci8300 on March 20, 2014, 06:21:53 pm
You know Kristenann...I think I agree with you about all of that regarding Christy.  Why in the world didn't Adam stand up to her?  Why didn't he notice that Mercy had lost weight when Tad did?  That does kind of make me upset.  I know Mercy can handle herself....but come on.  She is still a woman.  Maybe in the next book, we need to see Mercy getting Adam since he really didn't stand up for her at all! Although....in Adams defense, he does have to get along with her because she is Jessie's mother.

Once of the things that I wish was a little bit different though and I have kind of been imagining it....was when Mercy finally said something to Christy.  I really kind of wish that Mercy would've voiced her viewpoint on the werewolves.  None of them really know how she feels about them I don't think.  She has stated that she thinks highly of Darryl, she thinks that Honey is beautiful, she likes Ben even though he can be rude......I don't know....just her viewpoint on werewolves in general.  I guess I can wait until the next book to see if Patty kicks Christy out the door if she is still around?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on March 20, 2014, 08:00:36 pm
I may be talking through my hat here, but I wonder if maybe Christie is a bit - oh, what is the term? I don't want to say sociopathic, but I think that's the idea.  She believes her view of things, so the wolves don't smell lies on her. It's like a self-centered version of an Omega or something.  And even werewolves tend to fall for the "beautiful is good" fallacy.  Christie is more beautiful than Mercy, and she didn't bring (even though it started in werewolf politics) trouble that was painful and potentially deadly to the pack.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Janilee on March 20, 2014, 09:54:11 pm
To be truly sociopathic she would not care what people thought of her. When Mercy caught her lying in front of the werewolves it was due to her vanity in how she looked to them. So, I'd put her in the tendencies area and more self-centered than truly sociopathic. But your observations are in the right area.  :)
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: catchmeifyoucan on March 21, 2014, 02:40:28 am
I agree with you, Kristenann.  I was very disappointed in Adam.  I get that Christy is the mother of his child so that makes her an important person in his life but his respect for that relationship should not equate to his turning his back on his mate.  Adam absolutely did that by not supporting Mercy in front of Christy and the pack and by allowing Christy to continue her machinations in his house...taking his cell phones, putting her make up and shampoo in the master bath, changing her bedrooms, manipulating table conversation.  Somewhere along the way Adam should acted like an alpha (because his mate should be the most important person and the one that he is most protective of) and said STOP OR LEAVE (IMO).   I can't imagine if Charles was in a similar situation that he would ever allow Anna to be as disrespected and abused as Adam allowed to happen to Mercy.  Adam should take a page from Charles' book.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on March 21, 2014, 07:52:00 am
Yes Adam and Christy's behavior was similar to me, as that if she was still his wife (except for being physically intimate). It seemed his response to her behavior only encouraged her more and gave her more hope that if he would of flat out said something to deter her. He didn't seem to take Mercy's feelings about the whole situation under a lot of consideration, if anything he seemed to find her frustration with Christy amusing, like when Mercy saw the flowers Christy put in Adam's mothers vase and got grumpy about it. He told Mercy he'd have her back, but that only seemed to be the case when she's fighting monsters, unlike all the times he had her back in the previous books. I also think Mary Jo had some nerve making nasty comments to Mercy like she did, considering her actions in the previous book nearly got Adam killed, I think her fight against Paul got her off light. And since Mary Jo "loves" it surprised me a little how she rather of had Christy and Adam back together then him stay with Mercy especially with how Christy blamed Adam for things out of his control. I don't think I'd be friends with someone who thought I was a monster, and tried to make someone I loved feel guilty and bad about themselves. I get that Adam wants to keep the peace with Christy (even when his response to her was more than that) and cares about her since he was married to her for so long and has a daughter with her, but I'd never respect someone who treated my child, abandoned and neglected them in the way Christy did with Jesse. It got to the point Mercy didn't even want to go home or wanted to go home late to avoid talking to Christy, and that's her house, and home. And why would Adam say she could stay the night at Kyle's house? He had to know the impression that would of gave the pack and Christy? More ammunition against Mercy that there was weakness in their marriage. I loved the book but I don't understand anything that could justify Adam in this case, or why Mercy didn't confront him on any of it.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on March 21, 2014, 08:28:21 am
Taking your last point first, Kristenann - and I'm enjoying the conversation! - Why Mercy didn't confront him on it goes to what was happening at the beginning of the book.  Washing dishes that could perfectly well have gone in the mechanical dish washer.  To avoid conflict with Aurielle, Mercy just washed them, right?  To avoid yet more division in the pack, she didn't confront Adam, who she felt was under enough stress himself. 

With regard to Adam's treatment of Christie, part of it is habit.  Werewolves are very fond of habit, not fans of change.  They had what, twenty years together?  Or about 15 together & 5 divorced?  That's two decades of her treating him the way she did, and his (because HE feels he's a monster too, remember) meekly accepting it, so it's nearly as ingrained in his habits as opening doors for women.  Further, he's a dominant werewolf, he protects those he claims, and even if she was never his mate, Christie was his wife, and mother of his child.  He's going to continue to expect to protect her, even from her own actions and behaviors.  After all, he heals better than she does, doesn't he?  -- that last is sarcasm.  Hurts to the soul, like Christie spreads around, hurt as much or more for someone almost physically immortal, I betcha.  We could ask Ben or Zack...

I wonder if part of his 'laxness' in pulling Christie up had to do with the fact that he's a fair psychologist himself; she's scared, she's not in what is currently her home, she's gone to the man she divorced for help, much against her wishes, and she's now a guest in a home she built.  She needs some of these comforts to keep her more mentally/emotionally stable.

Mind you, I'm a little shocked at how he let Mercy lose condition (she's surely losing muscle, she doesn't have fat, right?) with the not eating thing, but give him credit for believing Mercy knows better than to let it go too far, and to make her own decision to stand up to the Christie steamroller.  She could perfectly well say "well, I'm not in the mood for (gourmet dish of the day), I'm going to scramble myself some eggs.  You sit and enjoy what you've already cooked, Christie.  I do know where the eggs and frying pans are."  She also doesn't eat lunch at the house; she could go to the taco truck or other place near the garage for something on the way in, or during her lunch, just like she brought the bag of sandwiches for Mac in "Moon Called", right?  She's doing a bit of martyrdom of her own, here.

On the cell phone... Why is it where Christie is picking it up, instead of in Adam's pocket or clipped to his belt?  I'm actually with you pretty solidly on that one; Christie needed to be smacked down hard there.  Of course, as of the final call, she got that, didn't she?  >D
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on March 21, 2014, 10:56:23 am
Patti L. I like your observation on the situation, those are a few things I haven't considered. I also wonder about the conversation Adam and Mercy had before Christy arrived when Mercy told him she was more worried about Christy than Beauclaire, and Adam tells her that he is too, and not to believe everything Christy says, and don't leave without talking to him first? Any ideas about what he was thinking? Maybe that Christy would tell Mercy something that she thought would make Mercy leave even if it wasn't strictly true?As far as protection Christy goes, she might have been the one the volcano god was after, but Mercy was the one kept ending up in his line of fire. Maybe Mercy should get rid of anything in the house that used to be Christy's and completely redecorate making the house more hers and less reminders of Christy and Adams time together. That is if she ever gets the time away from taking on all the bad guys and saving lives. I wonder if the pack has ever considered or is even thankful that Mercy has saved them and even the world once, since she's suppose to be a coyote so much weaker than the big bad wolf.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on March 21, 2014, 11:06:13 am
Something to that effect, or the truth but not the whole truth, or even just a Christie spin on the truth, as she does so often.  Reminded of that conversation, you wonder who the little so-and-so drove off that way before?  And how badly she hurt all of them by doing so, in her self-absorption.

I'm wondering about Cookie, too.  Do you suppose she's going to end up being important later?  Joel's observation on good people being a larger group than bad is wonderful, but sadly, Gary's observation about what it means is also true.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on March 21, 2014, 05:11:51 pm
I agree about Joel and Gary's observations about good people, I don't see how Cookie will be important, but there has to be a reason why she was the only dog that wasn't sacrificed. The dead dogs was really sad, and after how hard Joel and his wife worked to rescue them. I'm reading the book again, and I'm finding even more interesting questions I don't have answers for. Adam met Christy and was with her since she was 18 and he was already a werewolf, I wonder at which point in the relationship he told her what he was. Someone in the previous books I think it was mentioned when werewolves were aloud to tell the humans they were with what they were but I don't remember it, because if he eventually did tell her and she stayed with him all those years anyway I don't see how she can continue to blame him for what he was. I also wonder if he explained to her the chances of a miscarriage rate being with a werewolf were, and yet she still chose to keep trying to have a child, then she couldn't keep making him feel guilty about it because it takes two and she'd had fair warning. There's also the fact that Christy told Adam she was scared to being alone with the wolves without him when she apparently went places with just Mary Jo and Auriele, and if she was so scared of them why deliberately go for a guy like Gueyota thinking he was a werewolf? I was also thinking at which point Christy realized how off balance the volcano god was, and that he wasn't going to leave her alone? After all she was with him and then at some point started dating Troy? When Darryl snaps at Mercy about how he's irritated with her about upsetting Christy and than realizes that he was just manipulated Adam comments that he's not used to standing up against someone like Christy and thinks its again amusing. I really wish he would wake up when it comes to her, but it seems she still can make Adam do whatever she wants, and he doesn't really seem to care. Christy even made that comment about how she knows she's been a bad mother but she didn't say it because she felt guilty it was just to gain sympathy, I'd think Adam or someone would at least not like the fact that she's using Jesse as a ploy.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on March 21, 2014, 08:05:49 pm
Christie is supposed to be 100% human, but what if she's got some kind of supernatural power nobody around her has run into before?  I swear, the way she gets sympathy, and gets sympathy, and has all these champions, you have to wonder, especially as they come up against supernaturals from other cultures.  Has Bran ever met her?  I don't suppose he's run into every kind of sup in the world, but between him & Asil... I thing they should sniff her out, by golly.

I also think that Adam cares, a lot, but he doesn't have the emotional tools to fight her effectively.

In Moon Called, when Mercy told Kyle about werewolves, that's where the "only wives/husbands" thing came in.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kyria on March 21, 2014, 08:39:48 pm
I also think that Adam cares, a lot, but he doesn't have the emotional tools to fight her effectively.
This.  This exactly.  He doesn't know how to smack Christy down in a way that won't cause backlash that's worse than the original problem.  If she were a wolf, he'd know how to do it.  If she were Mercy, I think he'd do it anyway because he's come to trust Mercy to take care of herself.  But she's not one of his wolves and she's not Mercy.  She knows how to prey upon his sympathies and those of his pack. She's the mother of his child.  And she's human and being stalked by a super-dangerous creature that she can't handle herself.  Adam is stuck between a volcano and a coyote, and he's not infallible.  So the situation (Christy in the house, not the situation with Guayota - that was out of hand to begin with and requires much less delicacy to deal with) gets a little bit out of hand.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on March 21, 2014, 08:54:08 pm
Additionally, Christie's not pack, and never was, for all that the pack treats her as such to a large degree.  That is where the real problem exists.  The pack keeps treating her as a submissive mated to the alpha, I think.  Protect, protect, protect.  She's not his mate, she never was, but they were around her for twenty years, more or less.  They've assimilated the habit of protecting her, just like (and partly from) Adam, and like situations with Jesse (remember the bullies who tried to beat her up?) they rush to her defense.  She doesn't have the "competing (and lessor!) predator!  Chase off/Kill!" vibe that Mercy has, and she's always done the "poor sweet, helpless me" thing that kicks any hint of dominance into overdrive.  Put all that together with the other stresses this pack has been under since... Was Warren brought in before or after the divorce?  Whichever of those two came first, anyway.

In fact... Given that Bran ordered Adam to bring the pack (or was it a split of the pack?) to move to the Trikes to guard Mercy, and presumably that means that not just Christie, but pretty much all the wolves that came with Adam to Washington had their lives uprooted on her behalf... man, there's some bad feeling dumped on the wrong person.
Again.
Remember, they also resented Mercy not declaring yes or no on Adam's claiming her as mate?  And she didn't know what it was doing to the dynamic of the pack?  Well... she didn't know the pack was sent for her protection, either, did she?  But guess who would get the blame in the eyes of the wolves?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Janilee on March 21, 2014, 09:39:07 pm
That could definitely become of the back story for the trouble Mercy has with the pack.

I have another theory about Cookie and the new submissive. Like Karra, they are there for the story and we won't see them again until Patty Briggs has a need for them.

I still don't know how Mercy found time to chase Media around the house, with Adam, and still find blue dye to dump into Christie's shampoo.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on March 21, 2014, 09:55:16 pm
Blue food coloring.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Zealith on March 21, 2014, 09:58:35 pm
In fact... Given that Bran ordered Adam to bring the pack (or was it a split of the pack?) to move to the Trikes to guard Mercy, and presumably that means that not just Christie, but pretty much all the wolves that came with Adam to Washington had their lives uprooted on her behalf... man, there's some bad feeling dumped on the wrong person.
Again.
Remember, they also resented Mercy not declaring yes or no on Adam's claiming her as mate?  And she didn't know what it was doing to the dynamic of the pack?  Well... she didn't know the pack was sent for her protection, either, did she?  But guess who would get the blame in the eyes of the wolves?


I'm pretty sure Bran sent Adam to the Tri-cities to take care of a rogue pack, Adam decided to stay for the government contracts he could get there, and then Bran asked him to watch over Mercy.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Janilee on March 21, 2014, 10:04:24 pm
Blue food coloring.

Perhaps, I'm not sure it would be strong enough for the effects mentioned. I'm not certain Ritt Dye would be. An those are the two I can think of as being available in the 'average' household. My natural indigo is off limits Mercy!
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: BillG on March 22, 2014, 02:29:21 am
Christie is supposed to be 100% human, but what if she's got some kind of supernatural power nobody around her has run into before?  I swear, the way she gets sympathy, and gets sympathy, and has all these champions, you have to wonder, especially as they come up against supernaturals from other cultures.  Has Bran ever met her?  I don't suppose he's run into every kind of sup in the world, but between him & Asil... I thing they should sniff her out, by golly.

I've wondered if it is possible that Christie has a touch of Fae in her family tree. Not enough to smell like it, but enough to give her a touch of glamour that would let her seem right all the time.

I'm also wondering what will happen with the garage, now in ashes.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: katy on March 22, 2014, 06:36:21 am
Blue food coloring.

Perhaps, I'm not sure it would be strong enough for the effects mentioned. I'm not certain Ritt Dye would be. An those are the two I can think of as being available in the 'average' household. My natural indigo is off limits Mercy!

Oh, but remember that Jesse likes to dye her hair interesting colors.  I have a kid with similar taste in hairstyles and I can assure you that I could find hairdye in any of a number of interesting colors at a moment's notice in our house! I'm not sure how well it would work if applied as a mixture with shampoo - and probably rinsed off immediately -- but since Christy is blonde, it would at least leave a stain.  And...sorry Mercy, it almost certainly stained the inside of the shower.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: DandelionWine on March 22, 2014, 11:13:08 am
Mercy's garage isn't in ashes to whoever it was said that.  The floor was damaged and parts strewn all over, but the fire department checked for embers and hot spots and left without any big problems found.

  I must say that I did have to laugh at the irony of the story Auriele was telling about the kid in her class, Clark, who lies and manipulates people with every word out of his mouth.  Then of course, she falls for every lie and manipulation that Christy gets up to.   I suspect the difference is the HS student knows that he’s lying, but Christie just thinks she’s swaying things a bit and mostly telling the truth. (till the end there!)

I'm guessing that Honey is going to adopt Cookie because of where she mentioned about possibly needing to adopt a dog. (though I can't remember exactly at what point that was, I know she did say it)

I agree with a lot said about how Adam put up with way too much from Christy as far as Mercy goes.  Not all, I think he was at a loss how to deal with it without going all Alpha on her which he probably thought was too much, (and to be fair, probably was in some, but not all ways) .   Also, he was trying to give Mercy the chance to use her authority herself about most things, and they were both trying to heal the pack politics, not tear things up worse.  Makes it complicated, which WWs aren't all that good with.

Not finding many details that need masked, nothing much plot-wise given away, but smack me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Janilee on March 22, 2014, 12:25:20 pm
Oh, but remember that Jesse likes to dye her hair interesting colors.  I have a kid with similar taste in hairstyles and I can assure you that I could find hairdye in any of a number of interesting colors at a moment's notice in our house! I'm not sure how well it would work if applied as a mixture with shampoo - and probably rinsed off immediately -- but since Christy is blonde, it would at least leave a stain.  And...sorry Mercy, it almost certainly stained the inside of the shower.

Now that would do it!  LOL
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on March 23, 2014, 10:21:50 am
I don't think Adam would of had to pull his Alpha rank or smacked Christy down, if he would of kept his phone on him to make sure he'd get Mercy's phone calls especially after Christy told Mercy he was unavailable to talk to her. Isn't there anyway Adam could of told Christy no, without treating her like he's the big bad Alpha wolf? Like Christy using their personal bathroom because her stuff didn't fit with Jesse's in the other one, I mean how much room does a make up case and shampoo take up? I get him falling into old patterns and behaviors with Christy but it pushed the patterns he got used to with Mercy out the door. And everyone giving Mercy dirty looks because Christy's table cloth had a mark on it seems excessive. I actually hope Christy has some kind of fae blood or magic that would make more sense to everyone falling to her whims. I really hope she doesn't move back, and continue to try and cause problems. The hair dye thing was funny, Christy should just be lucky Mercy didn't pull out the big guns and take all her shoes. I just hope Mercy gets better treatment in the next book, then she did in this one by certain people, she has more than earned it. I wonder what Brans reaction will be when he finds out Adam now has a tibicena in the pack.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on March 23, 2014, 10:43:08 am
You know what that last question prompted in me?  Now... Adam has in his pack
A gay
A coyote
A Tibicena
A (at least one!) female acting like she's exactly as dominant as she actually is, mate or no mate.
So... Bran is aware - none more! - how strange old werewolves can get. 
He's also aware that other than his sons, who don't much actually seem to want to be Alpha at all, let alone Uber-Alpha, Adam is the most dominant werewolf in North America (possibly South too.)
Is he grooming Adam as vice-Marrok? In case/when he goes down?



 >D
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Zealith on March 23, 2014, 10:47:22 am
I like that idea Patti.  >D
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: DandelionWine on March 23, 2014, 02:02:03 pm
@ Kristenann   ~  I hear what you're saying, Adam was careless, thoughtless and an idiot...  Which means, he's pretty much a typical guy!  I mostly just accept that since I'm not the one doing the hard work of writing the book, I'll just have to accept what the author chooses to do.

I enjoyed when Honey made the comments about the phone thing when she talked to him while Mercy was driving, I admit I did think he'd wise up more, but things were pretty crazy and moved pretty fast so I'll give him a pass, especially since I'm not the one writing the books.

That's a pretty interesting idea Patti L.  He could even be doing it without being 100% aware of what he's doing, (maybe only 98% aware?) ...  Samuel likes him, Charles deals pretty well with him, and we know Samuel doesn't want to be Alpha, though we don't really know about Charles.  We do know that Darryl could probably take over the Columbia Basin pack just fine.   Interesting.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on March 23, 2014, 02:28:04 pm
Maybe he was having his cake and eating it too. He has Mercy who he loves for who she is, and he has Christy who is back and needs taking care of and he liked taking care of her.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Janilee on March 23, 2014, 03:32:44 pm
Patti, your idea also has another angle. In any future conflict Adam is the best known target. :(
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kyria on March 23, 2014, 04:06:45 pm
Yes, but Adam also clearly has the back-up to make him a "Don't mess with this guy" person.
And gets more so every day. 

Not that people won't try, but if any pack is up to the challenge of surviving with that kind of target on its back, it's Adam's.  Bran's pack wouldn't be able to handle it because he's got too many delicate wolves.  Strong, but too easily unbalanced. While the Columbia Basin pack has more than a couple of hidden aces, these days.  I suspect Bran of being up to something far more complex than we're anticipating...

Also... remember that not all of the "aces" in Adam's pack were in any way shape or form Bran's doing.  I mean, sure, Bran put Adam in Mercy's territory, but Adam was married at the time, so Bran wasn't trying to hook them up.  He accepted Mercy in Adam's pack, but it was ADAM who did it, and Bran says he had no idea that was even possible.  He could be lying.  But it doesn't seem that he was encouraging or pushing Adam to do it.  and as for Joel, that was MERCY who brought him into the pack, and we don't know how Bran has/will react to that.  I suspect he'll be quite pleased, at least as far as we see.  He is a very old wolf.  He's got to be incredibly thrilled that Mercy is causing all this ruckus in a pack run by one of his strongest Alphas, not in his personal pack, so he only has to deal with it indirectly for the most part
And the females thing, that's a bit of Mercy again, isn't it?  Bran allows it, but he's not stupid.  Eventually, he'd have to deal with modern American women as werewolves who demand their own place as equals in the pack.  Mercy just happened to be the driving force, and Bran knows that she's a force to be reckoned with.  So he's going with it (on his own terms, of course) because he sees this as the easiest way to ease his old wolves into the idea.  Start it with the coyote, in Adam's pack (the wolves all know Bran has a soft spot for that little upstart, and she's up there in Adam's pack, too far up the chain of command, well-protected and really not worth messing with)... spread it through some younger, less rigid packs... let it trickle down to the old-timers. 
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: DandelionWine on March 24, 2014, 05:43:25 am
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Adam doesn't want the whole cake and eating it thing in the least, I just can't see that at all and I'm pretty sure a lot of this is way over thinking things.  Mostly, it just is what it is, which IMO is probably for the most part a way to get the story rolling in the right direction, but I'm going to walk down the road anyway.

Christy is the mother of his child, and she's manipulative and selfish and spiteful, which may be something that has increased over the years or not, but he's not going to want to be too critical of Christy in front of Jesse, or have her faults shoved in Jesse's face even IF Jesse is well aware of them.  (maybe especially if she's well aware of them)  Which by the way, is a strict policy that more divorced parents should subscribe to thank you very much!   He's not the first man to be in over his head about this sort of thing, and him being a werewolf isn't going to help him, it's a confusing situation for a lot of parents, and a lot of men. 

Also, he's a product of his upbringing which, (and I do know folks who are old enough to have been there and then,) which means you don't bad-mouth your wife (or ex) and you don't contradict them in front of 'the kids' which in the case of a wolf pack, could have some very complex interpretations, not just Jesse.  The fact that there's a current and an ex involved, only confuses matters even more.  Yes, he possibly should take Mercy's side, but the whole "Jesse's Mother", and old ingrained habits, and pack politics thing complicates everything.  If he rushes to Mercy's defense, does he diminish her ability to deal with it?  It's Mercy!  She might just want to handle it herself, much like other monsters!

He'd possibly, maybe, probably, just rather, rightly or wrongly:  A) Trust Mercy can handle it.  or B) Hope they can get this situation dealt with and get Christy out of their hair quickly.

It isn't a simple high school romance were everything is all trite and simple and cut and dried.  Time and age and circumstances can take things in odd directions even when werewolves aren't involved.  Besides, Mercy is a coyote, she's tough and he knows it, and so does she.

Again, not using the spoilerizing blocks, this is all mostly character analysis stuff which we've all indulged in ad-nausiam anyway.

This question though probably needs it.  Am I right that Mercy never told Adam that Gary is well over 100 years old and that it seems that she will live longer than a strictly human would too?  Maybe did she tell him 'off camera' do we think? 
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on March 24, 2014, 09:02:06 am
Quote
Also, he's a product of his upbringing which, (and I do know folks who are old enough to have been there and then,) which means you don't bad-mouth your wife (or ex) and you don't contradict them in front of 'the kids' which in the case of a wolf pack, could have some very complex interpretations, not just Jesse.  The fact that there's a current and an ex involved, only confuses matters even more.  Yes, he possibly should take Mercy's side, but the whole "Jesse's Mother", and old ingrained habits, and pack politics thing complicates everything.

This is pretty much what I was trying to say above.

There are things Adam & Mercy have discovered during the action of this story that they haven't had time, privacy and not being in a moving car long enough to reveal to each other.
Also, just possibly, a piece of information we readers glommed onto may have slid past Mercy's attention in the press of more urgent issues.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: catchmeifyoucan on March 24, 2014, 11:27:17 am
I'm sorry, but as I see this book, Adam isn't even handling his pack (Mary Jo and Aureille went way beyond acceptable behavior with Mercy throughout this story- can you picture what Bran would do to either one of them if they gave a a tenth the attitude they give to Mercy to his mate, Leah),  I don't see how Adam could possibly be considered Marrock material. 

Adam needs to get his house in order before he aspires to anything else.  It sounded to me like the pack was a mess back when Mercy didn't realize she needed to give him an answer on being his mate and it still doesn't look like the pack has improved much at all since that question was answered with Adam and Mercy marrying.  That house cleaning, IMO, needs to start with him actually backing Mercy up instead of leaving her blowing in the wind when she needs him to guard her back.

It still infuriates me that he actually suggested she spend the night elsewhere while his ex-wife stayed at home with him.   This has nothing to do with not talking bad about the ex.  That was a very firm demonstration of support for Christy over his mate - even if Adam didn't intend that.  How do you think Mary Jo or Aurielle (or Christy, for that matter) interpreted that suggestion.  Not to mention, his letting Christy keep his phone when he knows Christy has been jerking Mercy around when she answers his calls...so many examples of Adam letting Mercy down or not even thinking of her in this book it really made me  sad (and angry, as you can probably tell).
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on March 24, 2014, 11:43:38 am
The pack managed to manipulate Mercy before; could they have done the same to Adam?  Or... is there another factor?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on March 24, 2014, 01:18:33 pm
I wonder how far Christy could of pushed Adam without Mercy there to remove her makeup case from the bathroom, and use blue hair dye to retaliate. If Christy would of said she had nightmares of the boogeyman would he of gone so far as to let her sleep at the foot of their bed? I get him having old fashion values, but I didn't really see where he drew the line. Mercy can take care of herself she's proven that, but it's still nice having people back your play or even speak up on your behalf even if you can do a good job of that on your own. Even Jesse spoke up some of the time, knowing this about Mercy and she isn't pack or Alpha.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: DandelionWine on March 24, 2014, 02:04:32 pm
I still think we're all trying to apply our miscellaneous and varied human values to werewolves which just aren't going to fit.  Some of this is also covered quite well by the convo btw Mercy and Adam after the lasagna dinner where the pack quite nicely pushed back at Christy by continuing to discuss the dead bodies at dinner, even though Auriele didn't like it, Darryl stopped her, and the others took Mercy's side by continuing the discussion, and I got the impression that Adam was quite implicitly if not explicitly pleased by that. 

Again, we may not see it as Adam sticking up enough for Mercy, but he said long ago in a much earlier book that he only uses his authority and pack magic very sparingly as it fades much too soon and then problems fester behind the scenes.  We aren't privy to all the reasons and decisions made by everyone.  A hammer is a very useful tool, and hand grenades can be a great weapons, but both can leave a lot of damage behind, and the pack doesn't need more damage.  As a management tool, brute strength and an overly domineering boss can demand things change, but the changes are usually only superficial, and until people choose to open their eyes the asset they have in Mercy who really cares about Adam, the pack as a whole and the members as individuals, brute force is only going to be a band-aid on an artery. 
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kyria on March 24, 2014, 04:00:10 pm
I'm sorry, but as I see this book, Adam isn't even handling his pack (Mary Jo and Aureille went way beyond acceptable behavior with Mercy throughout this story- can you picture what Bran would do to either one of them if they gave a a tenth the attitude they give to Mercy to his mate, Leah),  I don't see how Adam could possibly be considered Marrock material. 
The way I see it - and realize that I don't think that Bran is grooming Adam to take over so much as Adam would be the most reasonable next choice and Bran is aware of that - Adam is (as werewolves go) the "Young, progressive" alpha.  Bran, for all he likes to seem young and all that, is as old-school as they come.  They have very different leadership styles. 

When it comes to the pack's treatment of Mercy, I think he's leaving it up to her to either lay down the law or ask him for some back-up, especially when it comes to the female pack members.  Mary Jo and Aurielle might overstep their bounds in this book, but remember that MERCY is perfectly capable of putting them in their place, either with subterfuge or by drawing on Adam's power, and despite how they might feel about that fact, Mary Jo and Aurielle both know that Mercy outranks them. 
I'm not saying Adam shouldn't have acted differently in this book.  He could have been a LOT more assertive and cut through some of the internal troubles that Christy stirred up.  However, Mercy's capable as well.  And she didn't take the initiative, either.

I need to do a re-read and pay more attention to any small details we get about Adam's frame of mind.  He was in a bad place for a while after Christy left.  Sure, he didn't love her and he knows her leaving was for the best, and he's dealt with the loss and is much happier with his life with Mercy and so on and so forth...
And having Christy back in his personal space, around the pack, manipulating everyone and trying to upset his mate has to really seriously mess with his head.  I feel really sorry for Adam in this book. 
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: catchmeifyoucan on March 25, 2014, 03:07:00 am
[The way I see it - and realize that I don't think that Bran is grooming Adam to take over so much as Adam would be the most reasonable next choice and Bran is aware of that - Adam is (as werewolves go) the "Young, progressive" alpha.  Bran, for all he likes to seem young and all that, is as old-school as they come.  They have very different leadership styles. 


We haven't really seen any other Alphas (with the exception of Angus from the Emerald pack) to really know who else might be qualified to become Marrock should something happen to Bran.  I thought that Angus had a well run pack that even had some diversity to it since Moira was a white witch and mate to Tom his second.  Having said that, this discussion while very interesting to me, doesn't really seem to have a lot to do with this book so moving back to that topic....

I don't really think we are applying human values onto werewoves since Christy is the one instigating most of the problems.  While I agree that we don't know the dynamic between the wolf and human for Aurielle or Mary Jo, it appeared to me that it was the human's attitude toward Christy and Mercy that was driving their behaviors.  They like Christy and they don't like Mercy.  Christy was using that attitude and her history with them to further her standing in the situation.  Adam didn't have to react as Alpha to correct the situation.  He just needed to act like a loving husband and step in when things were going south.  But he didn't do that at any point.  Sure when they were alone he'd be supportive but that isn't the same thing as when they were with the group. 

Think of it like parents with kids that are misbehaving.  If the parents don't work together to keep the family steady, things fall apart.  Adam is not backing Mercy up so the family (the pack) is not functioning properly.  He doesn't need to use Alpha mojo to make that stop he just needs to open his mouth and express support for his wife.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: ksr17 on March 25, 2014, 05:05:56 am
Loved this book!!!
So much new information and so many more avenues for speculation!

I haven't seen this point addressed yet, and I apologize if I am overlooking it...

How is it possible for Mercy to bring someone into the pack?
Not only is she not Alpha, she is not a Werewolf!

I feel that this is of great significance.
Change is mentioned repeatedly in this book.
I believe Mercy represents Change, more so than even Coyote.
How about this change...a non-werewolf, non-male Alpha or even Marrock?!

And who, other than Mercy, would be a better Uniter between the worlds of Weres, Fae, Vampires, Ghosts, Walkers & humans?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: gingerwood on March 25, 2014, 08:37:23 am

I still don't know how Mercy found time to chase Media around the house, with Adam, and still find blue dye to dump into Christie's shampoo.

I assumed that after the makeup incident, Mercy got the supplies she would need to pull any number of pranks.  It's entirely possible that she had something mixed up and ready to go, and had only to swap out the bottle.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on March 25, 2014, 08:41:42 am
Ksr17, Alpha's mate can pull on his power, as we've seen a number of times - Anna can pull on Charles' too - and she is Coyote's daughter.  I think it's probably due to both of those that she managed.  I doubt (hope not!) Leah could do the same thing, for instance.  Consider the consequences of that, if she discovered it. Brr!
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: gingerwood on March 25, 2014, 08:46:22 am

How is it possible for Mercy to bring someone into the pack?
Not only is she not Alpha, she is not a Werewolf!

It's the nature of Mercy's magic to warp other people's magic to her benefit.  Add to that the Coyote's daughter 'Rules are for other people' tendency.  So all she had to do was bend the rules and warp the pack magic to her own ends.  She did something similar in Frost Burned when she pulled the silver out of the pack.

Completely in character for her and probably impossible for anyone else. 
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: ksr17 on March 26, 2014, 08:14:05 am
Thanks for reminding me of the silver!
And yet another reason I do not understand the wolves attitude towards her!

I do realize that Mercy has many special qualities and look forward to how these qualities affect her fate and place in the various worlds!
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: gingerwood on March 26, 2014, 09:39:44 am
I do wonder if Christy threw out all her cosmetics and whatnot, rather than risking what might happen if the too had been tampered with    >D

A sudden thought.  Given that it's well established that werewolves can smell a lie, when Bran was investigating the shoe incident why didn't he simply ask Mercy if she had anything to do with it?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Janilee on March 26, 2014, 04:14:53 pm
A sudden thought.  Given that it's well established that werewolves can smell a lie, when Bran was investigating the shoe incident why didn't he simply ask Mercy if she had anything to do with it?

It might not have occurred to him. He knew she had done it.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on March 26, 2014, 04:51:13 pm
Or he didn't want to have it proved, because, Leah, you know?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kyria on March 26, 2014, 05:46:04 pm
Or he didn't want to have it proved, because, Leah, you know?
That was my first guess.
My second was that he was irritated because he couldn't figure out how she did it, and was determined to figure it out for himself because dangit, he's old and clever and powerful and she's just a half-grown coyote pup! 
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: marci8300 on March 27, 2014, 09:13:27 am
I could also see Mercy not exactly lying to Bran if he did ask....but converting the truth like she did with Adam in Iron Kissed when he asked Mercy if she was able to get the scent off of Jessie for the people that jumped her.  Mercy could've just skirted around it....Plus, she also had Charles AND Samuel backing her up.  But, I think the more realistic answer to that is that Bran wanted to figure out exactly HOW Mercy did it.  It would drive him up the wall.....and come on.......you have to admit.....I think that Bran LOVES it that Mercy really isn't afraid of him and has the audacity to steal shoes of all things from his mate!  LOL
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: LynnL on March 27, 2014, 10:19:22 am
I'm sorry, but as I see this book, Adam isn't even handling his pack (Mary Jo and Aureille went way beyond acceptable behavior with Mercy throughout this story- can you picture what Bran would do to either one of them if they gave a a tenth the attitude they give to Mercy to his mate, Leah),  I don't see how Adam could possibly be considered Marrock material. 

Adam needs to get his house in order before he aspires to anything else.  It sounded to me like the pack was a mess back when Mercy didn't realize she needed to give him an answer on being his mate and it still doesn't look like the pack has improved much at all since that question was answered with Adam and Mercy marrying.  That house cleaning, IMO, needs to start with him actually backing Mercy up instead of leaving her blowing in the wind when she needs him to guard her back.

It still infuriates me that he actually suggested she spend the night elsewhere while his ex-wife stayed at home with him.   This has nothing to do with not talking bad about the ex.  That was a very firm demonstration of support for Christy over his mate - even if Adam didn't intend that.  How do you think Mary Jo or Aurielle (or Christy, for that matter) interpreted that suggestion.  Not to mention, his letting Christy keep his phone when he knows Christy has been jerking Mercy around when she answers his calls...so many examples of Adam letting Mercy down or not even thinking of her in this book it really made me  sad (and angry, as you can probably tell).


I totally agree, Adam absolutely dropped the ball on this one.  And the pack takes their cues from his behavior, too.  Mercy is so used to being to odd woman out, first in Bran's pack and then Adam's,  that she forgets what is entitled to her: her  husband's 100% support.  I wish we could have seen Adam's "taking a strip" of a Christy from playing phone tag while Mercy fought for her life.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on March 27, 2014, 11:00:24 am
Human or werewolf, if a person is under enough stress, he or she will drop the ball sometimes.  Consider all the stresses Adam is under, too.  Maybe someone should have given him a whap upside the head, but other than Mercy, who understandably didn't want to start a fight with him over this right now, who could/would have done so, among those on the spot during this period?


Yeah.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: catchmeifyoucan on March 27, 2014, 11:46:59 am
Human or werewolf, if a person is under enough stress, he or she will drop the ball sometimes.  Consider all the stresses Adam is under, too.  Maybe someone should have given him a whap upside the head, but other than Mercy, who understandably didn't want to start a fight with him over this right now, who could/would have done so, among those on the spot during this period?


Yeah.

Why would it have to be a fight?  It shouldn't have to be anything more than reminding Adam that he and the pack are being manipulated.  And that happens several times:

Darrell points out that Christy manipulated him when they were going to Zake's place and Adam was right there.   

Honey also was willing to give Adam reality checks.  Remember when Adam says it is okay for Mercy to blame Christy as long as she remembers it isn't Christy's faulty (WHAT???), Mercy says "Only if you remember that while she is drumming up sympathy for her heaping helping of guilt - she doesn't really feel responsible.  Just for now responsible."  And Honey says "Sounds like you know our Christy as well as those of us who lived with her.  Some of us, anyway." 

My point is that enough people pointed out the manipulation to Adam (including Mercy) and yet he kept going right along with it.  At no point did he try to rectify the situation or at very least call Christy on what she was doing.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on March 27, 2014, 12:17:25 pm
I agree there didn't need to be a fight, or argument, or Adam having to pull Alpha wolf rank to straighten Christy out. I think he should of told Christy conversationally I have to keep my phone on me and take my wife's phone calls. He could of told her lets see if Jesse will move some of her stuff around in the bathroom and see if we can't make room for your makeup bag and shampoo. Adam was stressed about the Guayota situation and probably some of that due to the pack being split, but he seemed amused by Christy ( I could be reading it wrong) and he knew how upset and frustrating Mercy was finding it. I understand Mercy not wanting to add to his problems by bringing any of it up, maybe she'll address some of it now that Christy's gone to stay with Auriele. I mean Christy not telling anyone she thought her stalker was a werewolf putting EVERYONE in danger, Adam says oh it isn't you fault you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. A place that before Guayota went crazy on her she enjoyed and openly pursued. Everyone else in the book has to take responsibility for their actions and mistakes, but not Christy? And Christy pressed every advantage she could get by making Mercy feel left out like she wasn't part of the family and that Christy could easily have her position back, and by Adam not saying anything or even acting like he was comfortable with it, fueled on that hope.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Janilee on March 27, 2014, 01:35:44 pm
I see all of Mercy and Adam's reactions being tempered by Jesse. In their consideration of Christy, they always first remember she is Jesse's mother. They do not want to make Jesse feel she must side against her mother. There are all sorts of psychology books on parenting that tell you this is the best way to treat children from broken homes. And for minor glitches in human behavior this is the best way to act. Both Mercy and Adam are using this method during a very less-than-normal situation. They believe they should take the hit as adults.

This does not mean that I, in any way, was against the bitch slap that Mercy gave Christy with the dye job. >D

Jesse's reaction shows that she is aware that Adam and Mercy are not reacting for her sake. They are the three people who are trying to act in a non-childish manner. Jesse is learning that good adults sacrifice for their children. Being the sensitive sensible young lady she is, I expect she will treat her children much better than her mother treats her. She has had a very good example in her father and her step-mother. It is difficult to learn that the best thing you can do with a very flawed relative is love them and not like their actions.

This does not mean I don't believe that Jesse, Mercy and Adam need to have several talks about the hurt done to each other by this situation. Mercy and Adam have the mating bonds to show each other the love and intentions behind their actions. Jesse will need more of a verbal response.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on March 27, 2014, 03:13:25 pm
Christy abandoned Jessed on numerous occasions so she could run around with different men she's met, she sleeps with her best friends husband just to prove she could and other men within an hour probably of meeting them and didn't Mercy mention she knows this because Jessed told her? And then there's the fact that her mother dates the kind of men (at least one) in which try to climb into her child's bed. I didn't hear that Christy called the police on this guy who if he did it to her daughter, will probably try it with someone else's too. Maybe Christy does love her daughter Jesse, but even at Adam and Mercy's house aside from having Jesse help with cleaning off the dinner table and watching a movie with her, most of Christy's attention was on trying to get between Adam and Mercy at the same time trying to cause more trouble with the pack, when they had a psychotic god to deal with. My point is maybe Jesse also needs to be protected from her mothers influence, standing up to her might not cause a larger gap but close one. Jesse knows how her mother is, which is why she was scared about her staying there and practically  begged them to have Christy stay somewhere else, even with a stalker. Sometimes one parent needs to protect their child from the other, even if the child might not see it that way sometimes its necessary. Her mother I'm sure would never physically harm her daughter but there are other types of harm, some she's already done and some she's trying to do, and this hurts Jesse. Jesse seems much happier and safer emotionally with just Adam and Mercy.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kyria on March 27, 2014, 06:17:26 pm
Regardless of Christy's bad behavior towards her daughter...
Well, look.  I know someone a lot like her.  A couple of someones, actually.  And their daughters, despite logically knowing that their mothers are bad news, refused to do anything against them.  Of course, neither girl had a dad, so they didn't have an "easy" (And I use that term loosely; I'm sure that sharing the right information to get Adam to pressure Christy into giving him primary physical custody was difficult for Jesse in many ways) way out of the situation. 

Now, Jesse's lucky.  She's got her dad and and she got herself into a better situation.  But the thing is... she loves her mom.  And you may be right, Kristenann, having Adam and/or Mercy put Christy in her place as she deserves might be the best thing to validate Jesse's complicated relationship with the woman... but no matter how mature she is about handling the situation, she's still in a tight spot here.

Adam is an Alpha werewolf, but that doesn't make him infallible.  Is anyone here certain that, had he reacted to her in a different way, things wouldn't have blown up somehow?  Christy's good at manipulating people, so maybe if Adam had put her in her place, she'd have gotten all upset and that would have gotten the wolves all upset on her behalf, and then instead of focusing on ignoring Christy and finding and dealing with her stalker so they could get her to go home, Adam would have had to deal with increased resentment from Christy, plus anger and resentment from his wolves (when he was just getting things settled back down after the last blow-out in the pack), PLUS getting rid of the stalker. 

Did Adam drop the ball here?  Absolutely.  But would any of us necessarily have done better in his place?  Maybe, maybe not. 


I also think that we're not giving enough credit to the fact that Adam's not a young man.  My dad's half-siblings are a couple of years younger than Adam.  For instance, divorce was much less common in Adam's youth, and single fathers raising their kids was apparently virtually unheard of.  So maybe Adam just isn't sure how to handle having his ex-wife and his wife living under the same roof.

He's driven to protect the mother of his daughter.
Allowing Christy to live with another pack member and sew dissent from outside his supervision is obviously a bad idea.  So he lets her come and stay in his home.  But then, what is her place?  What position does she hold?  She's not one of his wolves, so he can't rank her by dominance.  She's not his wife any more and he has no desire to treat her as such.  Besides, like I said before, no matter how much he's come to terms with her being his ex, having her back in his personal space has to be screwing with his head even without him being otherwise unsure of how to deal with her, and outside of her treatment of Mercy. 


Get annoyed at Adam.  But then eat his dead bunny and let it go.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Zealith on March 27, 2014, 10:28:21 pm
Get annoyed at Adam.  But then eat his dead bunny and let it go.

This ^
 LOL LOL LOL
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on March 28, 2014, 06:00:09 am
Ha Rivermarked, now that was the Adam we know and love, definitely one of my favorite books in this series. I didn't think there'd be another monster who could of been out done by one that can swallow the world. Even if Christy made Adams offer into dead bunny stew I'm not sure I could swallow and chew on this one. Christy pushed her way into playing wife and resuming the role, while Mercy got the physical contact at nights when they had a door and weren't too exhausted. Already I can't wait till the next book I really want to see where all these new character roles fit into place, and I feel bad for the two new wolves. Lucia didn't get her husband completely back but he isn't dead either, maybe Coyote will come back and give Mercy a cryptic message on how to make him human again, and how his old wolf pack will respond to what happened to him, an the fact that he now belongs to Adam. Will the two wolves stay or go? The walking stick wouldn't stay with Lugh's son but it stayed with Coyote and remained loyal to Mercy. Then there was that weird dream Mercy had with Christy and her mother in it, I don't remember what exactly it was, but I keep thinking of what Marge's response would be if she met Christy. Mercy's mother is yet another great character I can easily see why Coyote said he could of settled down with that one.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on March 28, 2014, 10:09:39 am
In River Marked, they were away from the pack, and from the greater political picture, for the most part; certainly away from Christie!
Which stresses was Adam under in Rivermarked?
Did he have to act as one of the spokeswolves in gooberment hearings?  No.
Did he have to keep assorted peace in his own pack?  No.
Did he have to deal with his business?  No.
Did he have to deal with his precocious teenage daughter?  No.
Did he have to deal with the negotiations with the Fae about going into an alliance against the US Gooberment, or any other international gooberment?  No.
Did he have to deal with Christie?  No.
Did he have to deal with Marsilla, the seethe, or even Stephan?  No.
Did he have to deal with Mercy's propensity to take responsibility for the world?  You betcha.
Did he have to deal with unexpected new semi-relatives of Mercy's, including her sort-of father and his sisters, and the other Primals?  Yes indeed.
Did he have to deal with something that could have eaten this world?  Well... He wasn't the warrior of choice, was he? 
Which got his wolfy knickers in a knot, but not the way that dealing with all those other things AND incomplete information on this 'stalker' of Christie's got him knotted up in this one. 
Plus, please note, that courtesy of the whole "hey, Mercy, did werewolves do this?" "No, it looks like a Canary Island Volcano God."  "Oh, okay... wait a minute, you mean there are more supernaturals than fae and werewolves?"
Well, there's another stress coming down the pike, isn't there?
Gee, I wonder why Adam might have acted atypically?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on March 28, 2014, 10:46:09 am
All true things, I get why Adam acted differently between the two books, they were two different situations. I just said that out of the series Rivermarked was one of my favorites, and I loved all the time Adam and Mercy got to spend together. I liked their private moments in Night Broken too. Good point about the authorities realizing there might be a lot more out there than just werewolves and fae. Wonder how all that's going to come down, I don't expect it will be good. That reminded me of the reporter Larry Torbett from the  Watchdog Times when he said he had documentation of the Cantrip agency wanting a pack of wolves under their control, and knowing what they planned to do with them. Wonder if we'll ever get some insight into those documents in the next book?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on March 28, 2014, 11:08:27 am
Various people have been grumbling about Adam's behavior, so this is addressed to all of them, nothing pointed at you specifically, Kristenann. 
Remember too, that Christie has dinged Adam for around 20 years as 'monster', and responsible for anything in her life she didn't like.  He's been trained to sit back and accept that, where from the beginning he & Mercy have fought, more or less amicably. He knows that of the two, Mercy is the stronger.  Christie was always someone to protect, not argue with, and he's being pressured by the pack to go back to this as well as the ingrained habits she's laid down with him.

He expects Mercy, coyote that she is, to find her own ways of fighting back.  The not noticing she was losing weight, that's not so good, but as Lou Tice taught back in the '80s, you get used to seeing something or someone in your life and if they change only gradually, your eyes gloss over the changes until something happens to jar you out of 'seeing' the earlier picture of them or it.  Even when they were presumably having marital relations, his sense of touch would have still been responding largely to familiarity, not noting more prominent bones, for instance.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: katy on March 28, 2014, 07:04:33 pm
I think Janilee has it right -- they're working very, very hard to protect Jesse, and following the rule of "don't say anything negative about the other parent."  As I was thinking about this discussion, it occurred to me that maybe the same sort of thing applies to pack psychology.  If you've read Alpha & Omega, remember when Charles told Leo that as alpha, all of his wolves are his children, to feed and protect, etc.?  So the wolves may be reacting to Adam & Christy's divorce in some respects as if they were their children.  Unlike Jesse, though, they haven't had the dubious benefit of having lived with Christy for a while afterward and experienced her parenting skills firsthand.  To them, she is like the totally absent parent, who abandoned them because they are monsters, but who is idealized in her absence.  Adam might realize this and be trying to protect them as well -- because as alpha, that's what he's driven to do.  Add to that that he was deeply conditioned to be manipulated by her.  Those patterns tend to kick in strong and hard when you're suddenly back in the presence of the manipulator, no matter how long it has been or how clearly you might see it when you're not in their presence.

One thing I don't get is why they keep saying that none of this is Christy's fault and that she is a good person.  Some parts of it are revealed to be pretty obviously her fault.  No, don't blame the victim, but parts of this (like hiding her belief the stalker was a werewolf) ARE her fault.  And no, don't say negative things about the other parent -- but don't lie to the child, either.  Refraining from saying that Christy is a bad person doesn't require saying that she is a good person, and it seems to me that we have lots of evidence that she is not a good person, and little to no evidence that she is. 

And, on a different topic, I really got a chuckle out of the nod to the Dresden files, when the lawyer's assistant is all geeked out and Mercy thinks she knows where some of that info came from
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kyria on March 29, 2014, 02:14:57 am
And, on a different topic, I really got a chuckle out of the nod to the Dresden files, when the lawyer's assistant is all geeked out and Mercy thinks she knows where some of that info came from
I'd forgotten about that!
I got a kick out of thinking, "I know where she got that info, too."
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: catchmeifyoucan on March 29, 2014, 02:44:40 am
I don't think that allowing Christy to apply uncontrolled manipulation to gain sympathy from his pack and family is acting like an adult.  Mercy is placed in the unfortunate position of not being able to point stuff out without making the opinion of other pack members worse, just because they are looking for the worst from her but I think if Adam had been acting like an adult he would have made an effort to stop Christy in her tracks.  Instead he acted at minimum as a bystander (for example during the meals) and at times a participant (for example the phone and make-up situations) to her manipulation.

I realize that Adam and Mercy have the mate link, but I don't recall Adam using it at any time to reassure Mercy.

As to the pack feeling like the divorce split up their parents, I think that could only be possible if Adam and Christy were mates and they never were mated, just married.

I agree that River Marked was a completely different situation so I'm not sure it is relevent to this discussion except to demonstrate that in some circumstances Adam can be a great husband (what is more romantic than a couple dead bunnies -lol).   I guess this book is showing the opposite, sort of dunderhead, side of Adam.

I realize that he lived with Christy for 20 years so he could be falling into the marital pattern that they had.  However, he knew up front that she would attempt to manipulate him so I would think that he would be paying attention to stop himself from allowing those attempts to (at minimum) impact Mercy and Jesse - how hard is it to keep your cell phone or stop your ex-wife from using the master bath????

As to not wanting to make Christy look bad in front of Jesse, wasn't it in one of the earlier books that Jesse was basically left alone at home for a couple weeks by Christy while she went on vacation and Adam brought her home with him when he found that out.   And didn't Jesse make the decision to stay with Adam because she didn't want to be around her mother?  She already knows that her mom is a weak and manipulative person, not to mention someone who will abandon her in a heart beat if it is to Christy's benefit so I don't think pointing out manipulative behavior would be detrimental.  In fact, I think it would have been positive because that would let Jesse know that others are seeing the behavior for what it is and are not tolerating it.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: jacalynsue on March 29, 2014, 02:08:49 pm
One of the things I loved about this book was how imperfect all of the characters are. Adam is a great guy, but is not doing the right things for Mercy. Mercy isn't speaking up enough. The ex? She's being herself… and that's pretty flawed.

I feel like I am reading about real people, not superheroes who have only 1 or 2 flaws that ONLY become apparent when needed to drive the plot and are then fixed by the end. Here, we have people making all sorts of mistakes in pretty reasonable ways. It's easy to sit on the sidelines and say they're behaving badly. It's a lot harder to be perfect every day. I'd rather read about flawed people, myself.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on March 29, 2014, 02:23:47 pm
THANK YOU.  Yes, this.
Mercy didn't even tell us about what consequences she set up for Christie after she'd been warned once about encroaching in Mercy's bathroom.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: katy on March 29, 2014, 03:21:09 pm
I agree!  So many times during this book, I could think, "Oh, I've been in a place similar to where Adam is now with my ex.  There's no RIGHT answer, only a menu of compromises.  Which one will he choose and what will the consequences be?"

It also strikes me that since this book is completely from Mercy's POV, we don't know what Adam is thinking about all this, or what he's doing while Mercy is at work or wherever and he's trying to deal with Christy and his wolves and find the stalker -- only what Mercy sees of his actions. 

I imagine we'll see some fallout from all of this in the next book(s) -- it will be interesting to see how they all deal with it.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kyria on March 30, 2014, 07:11:35 pm
Exactly. 
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: catchmeifyoucan on March 31, 2014, 02:09:36 am
I agree!  So many times during this book, I could think, "Oh, I've been in a place similar to where Adam is now with my ex.  There's no RIGHT answer, only a menu of compromises.  Which one will he choose and what will the consequences be?"

I imagine we'll see some fallout from all of this in the next book(s) -- it will be interesting to see how they all deal with it.

I can agree with that during the meal times when they were all sitting around the table talking and excluding Mercy.  I can also believe stress and just not thinking would cause Adam to listen to Christy and initially think that Mercy had done something to hurt Christy.   Those couple scenarios are ones that can happen when someone is not thinking things through.

I don't see how you can say what Adam did was understandable when he gave his cell phone to Christy TWICE (at least) or when he let her bring the make-up into their bathroom and especially, after Mercy said no to the make-up, he let her bring her shampoo and conditioner into the shower or when he suggested to Mercy that she could stay at Kyle's place while Christy stayed at their house with him.   

I understand that a lot of people on this forum love Adam and want to defend him, but if it was your husband and his ex moved in with you for a while, would you be okay with the things that Adam did?

As to Mercy being to passive, I sort of agree with that with the caveat that she really couldn't make too much of a fuss with Christy without many in the pack feeling like Mercy was being mean to her.   I don't know that Mercy was in much of a position to defend herself or her position in her home without appearing to pack members as abusing her position.  Even when she caught Christy in a lie in front of the pack, it still wound up being a poor Christy party so I can just imagine the fallout if she put her foot down without being able to show Christy's true colors to the pack.

And, when Mercy did point stuff out to Adam - like the make-up oops- he didn't follow through with her wishes.  Hence the shampoo and conditioner in the shower (the only excuse for those things being in the shower would be if she put them in when Adam wasn't looking.  But if he was being truly supportive of Mercy, he would have removed them as soon as he realized they were there).

As to fallout, I hope you are right and there is some because I think it certainly deserves to rain down on a few heads.  I suspect though that will only happen if Christy decides to stay in town.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: gingerwood on March 31, 2014, 05:27:44 am
About the shampoo, I'd just like to point out that we don't know if Adam knew about, much less gave permission for Christie to use their bathroom again.  She could have just used it without checking with anyone and Mercy was the first to notice
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on March 31, 2014, 08:58:54 am
Exactly, Gingerwood! 
That's the same for the cell, because my guess, unlike those of several people, most recently CatchMeIfYouCan, is thatAdam did NOT 'hand over' his cell to Christie, but that he used it, set it down, and she - in her constant encroaching, possessive fashion - picked it up and started screening who she would or would not let talk to Adam. We have no eyewitness account of how many people other than Mercy didn't get to talk with Adam because Christie was doing her "Warren doesn't like me, I won't let him talk to Adam" thing.

Additionally, with regard to the shampoo & conditioner, when was the last time before Mercy found them in her shower/bathroom that Adam had been there?  He might not have known, because, like trying to track the cat through the house - as they were doing right then - they couldn't easily track her in the house, due to her scent being everywhere.  Christie has trouble taking no for an answer.  She was denied - quite politely, all told - the right to have her makeup in their shower, so she'd try encroaching AGAIN by weaseling in the hair products.  Mercy DID polite.  It didn't take.  Next level: dye.

Now, I'll agree, Adam still seems to have been letting Christie walk all over both of them.  He's not perfect.  But I go back to the comment earlier about "look, mortals, not superheroes, with only 1 flaw to push the plot, which will be resolved by the end of the story arc!"  Real people goober up.  And we have all :D got the right to be disappointed in them, or angry at them, for doing so.  Nonetheless, let's not turn it into "Adam is a jerk after all", okay?  Mercy could have spent some of her considerable brain power, and Coyote-bequeathed genius for mischief, on doing more to undermine Christie herself, at least before things reached the boiling point with The Stalker in her garage, throwing his finger at her.  So why aren't we railing at her behavior, which is also - for the most part - wimpy?  Losing weight? Taking the baked goods to Tad? And all she has as a riposte is Spudnuts?  Feeeeble, people.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kyria on March 31, 2014, 05:19:08 pm
*What Patti said.*
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Zealith on March 31, 2014, 07:58:44 pm
Also, I want to know why in the world didn't Mercy get a large lunch or something while she was working? Seriously, she could have picked up stuff at lunch she could have munched on before going home, and picked up food before going to work. Missing a meal here or there is understandable with stress, but missing enough of them over the course of three or four days to noticeably lose weight makes me think she might have been trying to subconsciously punish Adam or something.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kyria on March 31, 2014, 08:54:54 pm
Some people get more hungry when they are stressed, some people get less hungry.  I can go either way, and even on a good day I sometimes forget to eat or whether I've already eaten, so I can sort of see how Mercy might neglect to compensate for her lack of consumption at home.

Granted, Mercy and I have vastly different metabolisms.  But I've had a couple of fast-metabolismed friends who were the same way.

Or she could have been subconsciously punishing Adam or subconsciously trying to demand his attention.  Who knows. *shrug*
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on April 02, 2014, 12:33:02 pm
Maybe they should just all get together in a private room and really let it rip (without a pack audience), air out some of those grievances without witnesses for Christy to manipulate. Maybe a snippet or POV from Adam during the events of Night Broken? Poor Darryl at the end of the book didn't Adam say Christy was going to stay with Auriele for awhile till she decided what she was going to do? It seemed like she caused some ripples in their relationship. So the authorities know there are creatures out there like the volcano God, and who knows where the body of the river devil ended up, and in one of the previous books Mercy mentioned it was only a matter of time before the vampires were found out. She said that since the fae and werewolves were real many were speculating vampires probably were too, and there was no way to lighten up the fact that they feed on humans. Then there's the fact that the Gray Lords and Bran were under some sort of negociation I don't remember if anything so far has come of that, but it was making the vampires nervous about what their place was going to be. And cantrip trying to get themselves a pack of werewolves under their control. So does anyone think these things will play a major part in the next book? Or will we have a new monster they'll have to figure out how to defeat?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: pjfrisch on April 18, 2014, 07:46:52 am
Bringing Zach into the pack showed what was involved, so that when Mercy brought in Joel, we would recognize the ceremony.
Also, remember in the very first book,  "Moon Called",  when PB has a scene with Tony at the beginning?  I kept expecting him to be a major player in the book, but he didn't really show up much until later books.  I think we have the beginnings of future stories or complications in the life of Mercy.  Who knows, maybe Zach will wander away and be seen again in the next Charles & Anna book!
 
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Janilee on April 18, 2014, 08:13:14 am
Considering Zack called Adam, "One of Those Alphas, 9)" I'm wondering how long he'll stick around. ???
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Zealith on April 18, 2014, 08:43:27 pm
There is that.  LOL
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: DandelionWine on April 19, 2014, 08:23:15 pm
Just re-listened to Night Broken, and a few small things came to mind.  One thing, I was thinking that since Tad has been "invited" to the rez for a visit, that maybe Zack will stick around to work in her garage for her.  Not sure if that's plausible or not, but just a thought.  I can see how that might be a really good fit for him somehow, not sure why, just do.

Also, thinking about how Honey said that maybe she should get a dog, and that maybe Cookie will be comfortable with her and they can do each other some good.

Then, and this one is especially fuzzy, sort of like some of Mercy's leaps of logic, but
at the very very end, there’s the comment from Coyote about Mercy using the walking stick to “cut the bonds” for Joel instead her solution which was to bring him into the pack, so I wonder if it can cut Mercy’s bonds to Stephan and the seethe, somehow... sort of... maybe. 
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Janilee on April 19, 2014, 09:01:40 pm
Then, and this one is especially fuzzy, sort of like some of Mercy's leaps of logic, but at the very very end, there’s the comment from Coyote about Mercy using the walking stick to “cut the bonds” for Joel instead her solution which was to bring him into the pack, so I wonder if it can cut Mercy’s bonds to Stephan and the seethe, somehow... sort of... maybe. 

Nice idea. But remember that Adam and Stephan suggested that the bonds were now permanent. The only way to break them was for Stephan to die. Stephan agreed it would break the bond, but implied/suggested that it was too close a bond and would probably kill Mercy.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on April 19, 2014, 09:42:46 pm
I think that was more than an implication.  Eek.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: DandelionWine on April 19, 2014, 09:53:38 pm
Yep, I got that part too, but it IS magic after all. 
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on April 19, 2014, 10:00:29 pm
And Mercy's effect on same, with Daddy's help...
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Zealith on April 19, 2014, 10:25:55 pm
Also Mercy said that the bond between her and Stephan was different from pack bonds. It might be different enough to not allow the walkingstick to work.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: DandelionWine on April 20, 2014, 06:10:35 am
Wow.  So negative and discouraging, so many ideas that are impossible, in a series of books full of impossibilities.  I'm reminded once again, why I stop coming here for months on end, and then when I do, I wind up wandering away again shaking my head.  *sigh*
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Janilee on April 20, 2014, 07:26:44 am
I am sorry for upsetting you.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on April 20, 2014, 12:29:18 pm
Patty always manages to surprise us, and things that look impossible become transformed.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Zealith on April 20, 2014, 07:33:04 pm
Sorry for upsetting you DW.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2014, 10:38:31 am
Wow.  So negative and discouraging, so many ideas that are impossible, in a series of books full of impossibilities.  I'm reminded once again, why I stop coming here for months on end, and then when I do, I wind up wandering away again shaking my head.  *sigh*

DW, I don't believe anyone was being negative or discouraging.  They were simply discussing your suggestion by POLITELY pointing out information from the books that make your suggestion seem unlikely.  If you are upset about people disagreeing with you in a friendly manner, then that seems like an issue for you.

I realize that this is not the friendliest post, but the ladies who responded to you always nice and do not deserve your comments.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Janilee on May 05, 2014, 01:04:47 pm
Just did a quick reread. I noticed that while Gary is there at the end of the fight scene, he is mentioned nowhere during the hospital scenes. Where did he go? >D
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Zealith on May 05, 2014, 08:42:51 pm
Jail? Turned in by Kyle perhaps?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Janilee on May 05, 2014, 08:45:55 pm
A possibility. :-whistle
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kyria on May 05, 2014, 09:36:40 pm
Or he could have simply left/hidden to avoid just that fate.  After all, lots of authority figures at a hospital...

I imagine that when Mercy wants to find him, she won't have any trouble doing so.  He'll make himself available, probably more easily than Coyote
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Janilee on May 05, 2014, 09:43:23 pm
Quite possible.  LOL
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: pjfrisch on May 10, 2014, 03:23:53 pm
I think Gary will hang around, at least for a little while.  He is smitten with Honey, and she seems be warming a little to him also.  It has been a few months now, since Peter died, and I think Honey could use a distraction.  Considering Gary, it is unlikely to be anything more than a casual fling, if it ever happens.  She did tell him to stay, eat, sleep, and then leave in the morning! 
I think that Honey is beginning to reveal her dominance by taking care of people, in spite herself.  She is certainly helping to promote Mercy's place in the pack by showing the videos of Mercy's fight in the garage. 
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: midnight on May 11, 2014, 04:18:32 am
I agree, I think Gary will be back in some way. I think he has a soft spot for Mercy already and does see her as a sister, as well as having an attraction to Honey. I certainly will not be complaining if he sticks around, he's a fun character to read about.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on May 19, 2014, 09:04:00 am
Does anyone think Christy will stick around and be a prominent figure in the next book? And I know this is never going to happen but if some event did happen to take Mercy out of the picture, do you think Christy would be able to worm her way back into Adams house? Christy hanging out maybe she'll make more of an effort to find out more information about werewolves, hopefully she'd never use that information about Mercy (once she finds out what exactly Mercy is) or Bran against them or feed it to Catnip as some kind of vendetta.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on May 19, 2014, 09:42:11 am
"feed it to Catnip" ! (http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs12/i/2006/298/e/2/ROFL_by_angelratdesigns.gif)  I gather you meant "feed the information to Cantrip"?
Some of the pack are up on Christy now, and would campaign against her, I think.  Adam and Jesse know better than to let her back in full time, especially Jesse.  And, with MaryJo having a crush on Adam too, she'd put up her own campaign if he was up for grabs.
Although, I'm suspecting that like Bryan, Mercy's foster father, Adam would, one way or another, die pretty shortly after her if Mercy died.
I don't see Mercy leaving without that happening, at this point.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on May 19, 2014, 11:04:34 am
Yea I meant Cantrip thanks! The pack still seemed half split down the middle with some of them still comforting Christy even after they found out she lied, and when Mercy found out about Mary Jo's feelings toward Adam she mentioned to her that she'd had several years to go after Adam before Mercy came into the picture as a potential mate. I think Mary Jo said something about not being good enough for Adam? I'm not sure I'd have to go back and look. I also can't see Adam ever committing suicide even if something happened to Mercy, he has his pack to look after and Jesse. In silverborne when the fae Queen had Mercy for a decent amount of time Adam was in a really dark place, maybe he still had hope Mercy was alive though.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on May 19, 2014, 11:11:52 am
He did have that hope, and the mate bond, however fried it was.
And MaryJo did say neither she nor Mercy was good enough for Adam.
I also wonder if the whole "Alpha= take care of pack" thing might prevent Adam from suicide.  Actively, yes, but he might be somewhat less careful about his own survival if something threatened Jesse or the pack/pack members, without Mercy.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on May 22, 2014, 06:26:26 pm
Random question but I think I read that Adam met Christy when she was 18, and he was already a werewolf so how old would that make Adam when he married/met her? I need to do a few rereads it's been awhile.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: big city wolf on May 22, 2014, 07:26:52 pm
She's supposed to be in her 40's and he is late 60's or 70, so he would have been 40's somewhere.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on May 23, 2014, 08:04:48 am
Thanks big city wolf! I don't know why that's been bugging me but now I'm wondering how they met. After all Adam was a grown mature adult with a decent amount of life experience, more than most even, and she was just a girl recently out of high school it seems.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: big city wolf on May 24, 2014, 09:37:26 am
It would seem so.  I never thought about that before but it is quite an age range. 
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on May 24, 2014, 10:42:40 am
Not for werewolves.  Not the successful ones.

Although it does leave you wondering; was Adam married earlier?  Is he a widower?  What WAS he doing for snu-snu before marrying Christie?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on May 24, 2014, 02:10:00 pm
Just seems odd she would basically be a child I'm curious to see what first interested him. Maybe he went to her house to install some security systems for her parents, and she answered the door in her school uniform or cheerleading and he had a Britney spears moment.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: DandelionWine on June 01, 2014, 07:06:16 am
A few thoughts on this...  we don't know what job Adam had at the time, he may or may not have already started his business, or working for someone who had one similar, but really, he could have been doing just about anything.  It sounds like he was either in the Los Alamos pack or possibly already the Alpha of it though and there is a big military population down there so that's some part of an answer to why he'd be there. 

Having spent some time around military areas, *cough* and judging from what we know of Christy's personality, her 'prowling' for a young (as Adam seemed) and attractive military guy wouldn't be out of the question.  Keep in mind that I'm not using the word prowling as a necessarily bad thing, I've watched it play out and it's a pretty natural sort of thing.  Can't say I blame any 18 year old girl near military installations for looking for young, healthy guys with a regular paycheck etc. 

I suspect that Christy might have amped it up a notch, but it still isn't meant in an evil way.  If she turned on the charm, or perhaps got into a situation she was in over her head with some young GI, in some fairly innocent way on her part... (sort of), I'm sure we could all picture Adam coming to her rescue and his dominant nature would mean he'd have to protect her, and if she latched onto him and nature took its course, well, that wouldn't be odd at all.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on June 01, 2014, 09:35:32 am
That would be a possibility, all right.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Janilee on June 01, 2014, 12:12:18 pm
Add the fact that Adam can't tell here is a werewolf and watch things go bang!
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on June 01, 2014, 12:16:49 pm
Was that supposed to have been "Add the fact that Adam can't tell her he(was) is a werewolf and watch things go bang!" before your software interfered?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Janilee on June 01, 2014, 12:22:51 pm
 9) Yup!
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on June 01, 2014, 12:37:18 pm
Hah, I'm beginning to get the pattern of 'improvements' it makes.

I'm still feeling that the cover has little to nothing to do with the contents of this book.  It's cool, but...
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Janilee on June 01, 2014, 12:43:06 pm
Yeah, unless you count that walk she took with Coyote.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on June 01, 2014, 12:59:24 pm
Don't remember her having any kind of pack, and was the stick being stick or spear at that time?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Janilee on June 01, 2014, 01:17:04 pm
It was a stick at the time, and you are right about there being no pack.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on June 09, 2014, 02:07:13 pm
So we're getting a POV from Adam in Shifting shadows? I wonder which scenes we'll get from his point of view, or if we'll end up getting several.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on June 26, 2014, 09:12:08 pm
I'm wondering; now that the local cops - and CANTRIP, if they bother to notice it - have been introduced to the idea that the "mythical" magicals of other cultures are real and dangerous... how long until that does get out to the general public?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kyria on June 26, 2014, 09:28:02 pm
I think the general public (also the government) has been in denial about that for a while.  If the Fae are real and originated in Europe, and other cultures have mythologies involving supernatural beings pre-dating European contact, then logic says the fae aren't the only mythological race that actually exists.  The only exception would be if you're using "fae" as a catchall term for "any preternatural humanoid being." 
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on June 26, 2014, 09:48:34 pm
Werewolves are separate. 
Most people won't make much differentiation. "Bugs" after all, right?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kyria on June 26, 2014, 09:55:32 pm
Well, that's what I mean.  If you're an everyday human who doesn't have regular contact with anyone you know is fae, you might use "fae" to refer to anything not-quite-human, even thought the term doesn't actually apply.  So you might assume that basically everything exists, but is being dealt with under either the fae or the werewolves.  There's some precedent for ambiguity in terms - look at, oh, what's her name.  The Russian "witch"... Baba Yaga.  Even Mercy thought she was just a witch until they actually met. 
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: midnight on July 02, 2014, 10:08:13 am
So we're getting a POV from Adam in Shifting shadows? I wonder which scenes we'll get from his point of view, or if we'll end up getting several.

I'm hoping for several scenes  :D but that might have something to do with me being an obsessive Adam fan.  LOL
Although I will admit he did upset me a little in night broken. In parts of the story I felt he let Christy get away with a little too much and certainly didn't defend Mercy as much as he should have. Nonetheless, I still adore him and any insight we get, I'll gladly read. :D
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on July 04, 2014, 11:32:51 am
oOh maybe we'll get the scene from Adam's pov when Mercy called Adam's cell and Christy told Mercy he was unavailable to speak to her, well one of the times she told Mercy that anyway, the big one that almost got Mercy killed. I guess I could skip what was going through Adams's mind when he was sharing one of his tender moments with Christy and reflecting on their past together. Or what he thought about when he told Mercy she could go stay at Kyle's house. And for the finale the scene when he found out Mercy's neck was broken, and Christy told Mercy in the hospital she wished she was dead. Almost any pov from Adam would be welcome. I really enjoyed the glimpses we got from his perspective in Frost Burned.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on July 04, 2014, 11:34:47 am
Also this is off topic, but I always wondered how Bran told Adam to keep an eye on Mercy all those years ago, but for 15 years he never once just called her to see how she was doing first hand?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kyria on July 04, 2014, 09:36:52 pm
My best guess is that Bran either a) suspected that Mercy would resent his checking up on her b) for other Reasons, was trying to be hands-off with protecting her, as far as was possible for him.  Perhaps because of Samuel.  Perhaps he was worried about his own attachment to her for one reason or another.  Maybe he worried that any direct involvement by him, even a phone call, might increase her visibility to one of the other supernatural factions and put her in danger. 
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on July 04, 2014, 10:11:48 pm
Or maybe he had other stealth agents watching out for her?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on August 13, 2014, 06:00:46 pm
I'd like to see some more pranks Mercy played on the weres, especially Bran. It'd be nice to see the pranks she played from his perspective and what he really thought about them, or even the night she wrecked his car.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on August 13, 2014, 07:20:25 pm
Wonder if any of those are touched on in the "Shifting Shadows" anthology?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on August 15, 2014, 06:56:54 pm
Hm maybe, I suppose anythings possible. I read cry wolf and loved the small insight into Bran's head. I haven't yet read any of the other Alpha or Omega books with Anna and Charles even though I've been meaning to for awhile. Does anyone know if there are any more Bran POV's in there?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kyria on August 15, 2014, 09:09:16 pm
Isn't there a Bran POV in Fair Game?  I want to say there's a short one.  Yeah, there has to be, because there's that conversation with Adam. 
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on August 18, 2014, 07:43:59 pm
Yea I skipped around a little in Alpha and Omega series, and I remember reading about the conversation between Adam and Bran. I wonder why PB showed those particular POV's from Bran. Maybe to show what he was going through control wise? I can't wait to see what's in store in the next Mercy book, and I wonder if Bran and Samuel will be in it more? Also hope whatever happens there's no Christy, and maybe Adam and Mercy could sort through some of the things she went through in Night Broken.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on September 01, 2014, 06:02:40 pm
This is somewhat off the topic here, but I wonder if being mated means you love your spouse more. I mean would the wolves take being separated from their spouse worse then if it was just their wife/husband, and if it has more to do with being a wolf or a mate bond. For instance Bran lost Samuel's mother when he was still human, and she wasn't his mate, yet he grieved and healed, but when he lost Blue-jay Charles's mom he was both a wolf and mated to her, and he kind of lost it.

Then I wonder about Mercy's mom who I love, she didn't know what to do with Mercy a coyote pup so she gave her to Bran's pack to raise. She never told her husband or other children she had a child when she was young that she wasn't ready to take care of (half truth) until Mercy showed up there was she was 16. Mercy didn't need to change and wasn't dangerous like a baby wolf would be, I wonder if her mother ever considered taking her back after she came to understand what Mercy was a little better. After all this time I still feel bad for Mercy for being a child her mother couldn't tell her family about, and never really feeling like she belonged. Even though now she has Jesse and Adam, Warren, Kyle, Stefan, Ben, and a few pack members she still is bring treated somewhat on the out skirts, especially now that Christy's back.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Zealith on September 02, 2014, 05:47:39 pm
This is somewhat off the topic here, but I wonder if being mated means you love your spouse more. I mean would the wolves take being separated from their spouse worse then if it was just their wife/husband, and if it has more to do with being a wolf or a mate bond. For instance Bran lost Samuel's mother when he was still human, and she wasn't his mate, yet he grieved and healed, but when he lost Blue-jay Charles's mom he was both a wolf and mated to her, and he kind of lost it.

I would like to point out that wolves are a bit more likely to be unbalanced than a mundane human.
As for if they love their mates more than humans love their wives I would say it probably is more of a case-by-case comparisin. Remember, Bran admits in Cry Wolf that he doesn't love Leah.

I completely agree with you about Mercy though. However, to play devil's advocate Mercy's mother may not have tried to get Mercy back because she didn't want to disrupt Mercy's life. I'm sure it would be hard for a child to be taken away from the people who raised them by someone they've only seen for two weeks out of a year.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: jacalynsue on October 05, 2014, 10:16:42 am
I noticed again that Mercy thanked Ariana for fireproofing several of the pack. Zee taught her better than that! Is she less careful with Zee and Ariana because she trusts them? Or is she opening herself up to a bunch of new problems? I'd hate to think the latter, but I don't know if Ariana's beast much cares about pack bonds.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on October 05, 2014, 12:23:57 pm
Not to mention that the fae don't do permanence the way that humans (or werewolves) do it.  Consider Ariana's father's love for her... Yeah, either Mercy's getting sloppy, or Patty is... or she's setting us up for something further along the timeline? :-whistle
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: jacalynsue on October 05, 2014, 06:04:25 pm
My gut says Mercy is getting sloppy. I've caught her thanking Zee on occasion. But thanking Ariana was new. And it may be a product of all the stress she was under. OTOH, it does leave open the possibility for some nasty things happening in the future.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Zealith on October 07, 2014, 02:07:14 pm
Might be she's more relaxed about it now because she has the pack to back her up.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on October 07, 2014, 03:24:46 pm
It's hard to imagine after all Mercy's been through with different supernatural creatures she'd be that careless/sloppy. Maybe she just thinks Ariana would never take her up on the offer because of her connection with Samuel?

Also this has probably been brought up before, but Mercy was able to become apart of Adam's pack bonded mated and all, yet she was such an outsider in Bran's? I mean no one knew that a non werewolf could actually become pack, so I guess Bran never thought to try and bring Mercy in? Or else he was afraid it'd cause more problems and didn't want her to actually see what other pack members thought of her, I wonder if Bran could communicate with Mercy telepathically in her coyote form when he's in his wolf?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Itsy-Cat on October 07, 2014, 04:04:02 pm
It's hard to imagine after all Mercy's been through with different supernatural creatures she'd be that careless/sloppy. Maybe she just thinks Ariana would never take her up on the offer because of her connection with Samuel?

Also this has probably been brought up before, but Mercy was able to become apart of Adam's pack bonded mated and all, yet she was such an outsider in Bran's? I mean no one knew that a non werewolf could actually become pack, so I guess Bran never thought to try and bring Mercy in? Or else he was afraid it'd cause more problems and didn't want her to actually see what other pack members thought of her, I wonder if Bran could communicate with Mercy telepathically in her coyote form when he's in his wolf?

I'd assume that the reason Bran didn't bring Mercy into his pack is the first one you mentioned; the fact that no one knew it was possible for a non-werewolf to become part of the pack, as Bran says in Bone Crossed.

With the telepathy thing, I think its that Bran can only talk to individuals who are part of his pack, or one of the other US packs, (which are his too, connected via the alphas etc)). Because in Moon Called, when Mercy went for help, Charles had to change to human and talk to Mercy, because Bran couldn't talk telepathically to her then (when she wasn't part of a pack). But then in Silver Borne, when the faerie queen has Mercy, Bran is eventually able to contact her telepathically (with the help of the walking stick), and he says that he can speak to her because she's part of Adam's pack, which is also Bran's. I think he only needed the help of the walking stick because she was stuck in the faerie queen's place/hold etc, so I'd guess that now/after Mercy was brought into Adam's pack, Bran could speak to her telepathically the same way he can to the wolves.

With the thanking the fae thing, I suspect Mercy isn't that worried about thanking Ariana, Tad or Zee, because they're all friends and so wouldn't take advantage of it etc. But I guess it could be like a slippery slope type thing? where she starts off thanking only them, which isn't too bad, but might then thank someone like Uncle Mike (if they go to the reservation, anyway, since I suspect he's there now), which might not be as good... then she might thank someone else... and eventually end up thanking the wrong fae and getting into trouble?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on October 07, 2014, 04:15:44 pm
The telepathy thing sounds right.
The thanking... Mercy still shouldn't do it, friends/family or no.  I think I said earlier, "Consider the sea change Ariana's father's affections took. Fae will destroy their own families" so this is a Bad Idea regardless.  Courtesy is so ingrained, though...

As far as Bran not bringing Mercy into the Aspen Creek pack, I can see several reasons that would play into that.
1. not werewolf!
2. only going to be there maybe 20 years (and it was fewer) to grow up.
3. walker!
4. Leah
5. What would Mercy's natural dominance position be?
6. consider Mercy's reaction to being officially at the bottom of the hierarchy AND "belonging" to Bran! :o

No, no, no, nobody wanted to open that can of worms.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on October 28, 2014, 10:22:30 am
I also wonder how Adam and Christy met, I know I've brought it up before, but she was 18 fresh out of high school and he was already an old wolf. I've been thinking about Adam's behavior with her in Night Broken (again) and I understand him being old fashioned and habits dying hard because Christy was his wife for a long time, so of course he fell into his role as husband with her as if no time had past easily. But Christy his first wife is so different then Mercy is I wonder what he saw in her. To my she seems spoiled, shellfish, childish, I don't know if she was different back then or if her true colors didn't have much chance to shine, but maybe Adam the human part of him chose Christy and maybe still loves her because similar to Samuel he was ready to settle down and start a family? And Christy stayed even after finding out who he was because he was very attractive, powerful, rich, successful, did whatever she wanted, and she loved the prestige of being with him. I think Christy left knowing she could go out and do whatever she wanted thinking he would always be there waiting for her, to take her back, even after he married Mercy. Especially since he pays for everything, and probably always will, their financially still connected and of course they have a child, and history together. My point is maybe Adam's wolf side is what really chose and wanted to mate with Mercy, I'm sure his human side too, but maybe it was kind of taken for the ride? And the wolf is what really brought out those feelings?

I also wonder if Christy will step up her game and stick around to start more trouble, she doesn't seem the type to completely give up with she wants something, after all if she can do it, and she's entitled why not, plus there isn't much to stop her except Mercy.  I liked Mercy's prank with the blue shampoo, but that seemed like something she would of done as a child, as an adult I thought she could of done a lot better. I hope in the next book she gets a bigger pat on the back for saving everyone's butt and breaking her neck (literally) but I kind of doubt it.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Pee Wee on October 28, 2014, 12:30:32 pm
I think the blue shampoo wasn't Mercy, this was Jesse.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on October 28, 2014, 12:33:53 pm
No, Mercy set that up when they went back to the house to get Medea, and Beauclaire showed up to get the walking stick, remember?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Pee Wee on October 28, 2014, 12:39:23 pm
Oh, really? I forgot this.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on October 28, 2014, 12:55:03 pm
Yeah, she found the giant bottles of Christy's hair care in her bathroom, after she'd already banished the giant make-up case, diplomatically removed by Adam, and since it didn't stick under diplomacy, she used something that would make it stick.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on October 28, 2014, 01:07:52 pm
I thought Mercy took her makeup bag and placed it outside her bedroom door? Adam knew how about it made her, that Christy had taken over the bathroom as her and Adams again, then it happened again with the shampoo and that's when Mercy put the dye in it. Sometimes though you have to say something and stick up for yourself and let people know how you really feel about something that bothers you enough, rather than ignore or hide it, no matter what other people may think of you. Like when they were having dinner and they were talking about the murders Christy told Mercy it wasn't a dinner appropriate conversation, but hey it's Mercy's house and her table, and her pack, she shouldn't have to monitor the conversation especially since it was relevant and she was doing everything she could to help out, and stop the murders from continuing.

Maybe Christy should of been put up at Stefan's house where her ex wouldn't think to look for her.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on October 28, 2014, 02:32:27 pm
O_o Kristenann, I think that's the perfect place for Christy!  Or she can go to Marsilia!  >D
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kyria on October 28, 2014, 02:56:05 pm
Now, now, Patti.  Christy is still Julie's mother. 
Stefan's house I support wholeheartedly. Marsilia's, not so much.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on October 28, 2014, 03:01:48 pm
Oh I don't know there's more to being a mother than having the same genes. Though I suppose she was one when she was still Adam's wife. Even a vampire though might have their standards, I'm not sure Stefan would agree to put her up when he met her, and she wouldn't be getting any points with her culinary skills either.  I guess I should just be glad she didn't try running off to another boy friend instead of Adam's, that might of got them killed like it did Troy the guy she dated after her stalker. Didn't save all those women though, but hey like Mercy and Adam said that wasn't her fault. I thought that after everything that happened in Night Broken Christy would of learned a little humility or changed, been thankful they risked their lives and saved her, but the end when Mercy was in the hospital (after she should of been dead and everyone thought she was) Christy told her she wished she would of died, and any hope or understanding I might of had went out the window.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kyria on October 28, 2014, 03:12:20 pm
She's not a good mother, but she was involved in one way or another in Julie's life for most of said life.  So even though as mentioned, she's not a very good mother, it would put Julie in a bad spot to feed Christy to Marsilia. 
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on October 28, 2014, 03:14:44 pm
Now, now, Patti.  Christy is still Julie's mother. 
Stefan's house I support wholeheartedly. Marsilia's, not so much.

Julie who?  I'd grant she's Jesse's mother, but who is Julie.

*averts eyes from errors in grammar & spelling for other poster*

Did you mean "they riSked their lives"? And that she almost died, rather than (like Christie) been colored differently?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kyria on October 28, 2014, 03:29:13 pm
That would be me and my inability to remember the right name for the right person, even with book characters.  Julie belongs in Ilona Andrews' Kate Daniels universe. 
Sorry.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on October 28, 2014, 03:35:26 pm
Yes Patti L. that is what I meant. What 's the use in being able to type fast if I can't spell right? Although if I only used one finger to type real slow, I'd most likely still make a few grammar boo boos.

Sending Christy to Marsilia's? No I wouldn't do that to Mercy, she'd feel too guilty about it. And Jesse has been through too much already for a kid. I get the Julie and Jesse mix up, they're both tough girls.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on October 28, 2014, 03:38:10 pm
Well, now you've each got one longer leg, shall I pull the other? ;)
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on October 28, 2014, 04:16:54 pm
Didn't Christy end up moving in with Aurielle and her mate? I wonder how that's going and how long it'll last? It wasn't decided at the end if Christy was moving back or not. What does everything think she's going to do? Stick around and make waves?

Side note; The Lord of Night was mentioned quite a few times in several of the books, I wonder if that might be important later? If he'll make an appearance.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Itsy-Cat on October 29, 2014, 05:59:48 am
I think that giving Christy to Marsilla might backfire anyway.

What if they became friends? They might end up bonding over their mutual hatred of Mercy, and their wish that she would die, and the terribly annoying fact that neither of them can actually go and kill her  >:( , and how terrible it is that these guys they love (separate guys, so they don't need to compete with each other) both seem to think Mercy is so wonderful and special etc.
Christy might find it advantageous to have the vampire queen as her BFF, and considering how manipulative and selfish Marsilla has proven to be, if Marsilla figured out how good Christy was at manipulating other people, especially the werewolves, she might decide she could use that, even though Christy is only human.
Maybe Marsilla could offer Christy superstrength and the ability to stop ageing in exchange for her help with a few things?
But somehow I imagine they could actually become friends (well, friends who try to manipulate each other anyway), rather than only trying to manipulate each other.

And now I have this image in my head of Marsilla and Christy hanging out at the seethe, bitching about Mercy and painting each others nails while Wulfe hangs out in the background.    ???



Maybe they could invite Leah?
They could all have a fun We-hate-Mercy-and-really-wish-she-would-die-but-we-can't-actually-go-and-kill-her party?


I don't think Wulfe hates Mercy though. Considering that he's supposed to be really old, older that the Lord of Night, and considering what someone said in Frost Burned, I think, about how being really old makes them bored and makes even disaster seem like a good thing, I suspect Wulfe actually kind of likes having Mercy around, since she doesn't actually seem likely to try to hunt and kill him or Marsilla (and possibly couldn't kill him anyway, since he seems to be able to get up and move around quickly during the day), and since having Mercy around seems to result in so much interesting drama and fun conflicts and conversations.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on October 29, 2014, 08:48:13 am
Oh gosh I could totally see Christy making friends with Marsilia, thinking she could manipulate vamps like she manipulates everyone else (especially the men), though Marsilia would only keep her around until she's worn out her usefulness. As long as they tell her the vamp bite wouldn't hurt, in fact if a handsome male vamp told her it'd be pleasure able, among other things, I bet Christy would sign up then and there. Sadly Adam, Mercy, and pack would rush in to rescue her, probably getting them badly hurt or killed.

Everytime I think of Wulfe now, I think of his phone conversation with Mercy. If he wasn't as old as he is, even for a vamp, I'd almost say he has a crush.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on October 29, 2014, 12:38:32 pm
I was thinking more in terms of the way that (rather like werewolves...) Vampires don't think of themselves as human any more, and despise baseline humans.  To Marsilia, and most other vampires, they - we - are "Sheep", FOOD, not "people".  She might enjoy having Christie as one of her sheep who could move in the daylight hours and do malicious things to Mercy, before she gets bored, forgetful, angry, - or Lily the pianist does so - and mauls Christie to death.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Janilee on October 29, 2014, 12:48:05 pm
There would also be the problem of the werewolves owing the vampires for keeping Christie safe.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on October 29, 2014, 12:55:32 pm
There would also be the problem of the werewolves owing the vampires for keeping Christie safe.

Huh?  ???

Do you mean "the werewolves would inform Marsilia in no uncertain terms that Christie is THEIRS, not hers, so she better make sure nothing bad happens to Christie"?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Itsy-Cat on October 29, 2014, 01:06:32 pm
I was thinking more in terms of the way that (rather like werewolves...) Vampires don't think of themselves as human any more, and despise baseline humans.  To Marsilia, and most other vampires, they - we - are "Sheep", FOOD, not "people".  She might enjoy having Christie as one of her sheep who could move in the daylight hours and do malicious things to Mercy, before she gets bored, forgetful, angry, - or Lily the pianist does so - and mauls Christie to death.

Except this is Christy we're talking about, who seems to be bizzarely/confusingly  ??? good at manipulating people in ways that make you wonder why/how is she able to do that/get them to behave that way, even after re-reading it.

So how do we know that she couldn't actually succeed, at least partially, in manipulating Marsilla too? Maybe not quite to the extent that she's able to manipulate Auriele and Mary Jo, but still. If she failed, then, ok, maybe she'd be used briefly as a sheep then eaten. Or Marsilla might decide, if she was useful enough, to keep her long-term (Marsilla is strong enough to keep her sheep long enough to turn them, after all.)

But I still think it might be possible for Christy to manipulate the vamps, and she could certainly find common ground with Marsilla, and use that to try and be friends, and either Marsilla might fall for it or, probably more likely, might appreciate the talent and then both try to use each other while being friends? Manipulation seems kind of like the way Christy's normal friendships operate anyway.
If she was too good at manipulating Marsilla, maybe Wulfe would kill her? I can't see Christy being able to manipulate Wulfe, for some reason. ??? But then, I also suspect that if she could manipulate Marsilla, it would go both ways, since Marsilla's good at manipulating (in a different way) too.

Oh gosh I could totally see Christy making friends with Marsilia, thinking she could manipulate vamps like she manipulates everyone else (especially the men), though Marsilia would only keep her around until she's worn out her usefulness. As long as they tell her the vamp bite wouldn't hurt, in fact if a handsome male vamp told her it'd be pleasure able, among other things, I bet Christy would sign up then and there. Sadly Adam, Mercy, and pack would rush in to rescue her, probably getting them badly hurt or killed.

Everytime I think of Wulfe now, I think of his phone conversation with Mercy. If he wasn't as old as he is, even for a vamp, I'd almost say he has a crush.

I'm not sure I can imagine Wulfe having a crush on anyone. Maybe the problem is that he seems too inhuman?  >D A lot more so than Marsilla, who still seems to have likes and dislikes, sort of loves certain other vampires and is definately able to feel jealous. Wulfe though just... isn't. He seems to find some things amusing or interesting still, I think, and maybe cares about Marsilla? But generally, with other things? Not so much? With Mercy on the phone, I think he was just enjoying the conversation and the fact that he could creep her out.


There would also be the problem of the werewolves owing the vampires for keeping Christie safe.

Huh?  ???

Do you mean "the werewolves would inform Marsilia in no uncertain terms that Christie is THEIRS, not hers, so she better make sure nothing bad happens to Christie"?

Would the werewolves need to owe the vamps, or claim Christy as theirs though, if it was clear that she was choosing to hang out with Marsilla, not doing it because of mind control? They might warn her about vamps, but she's an adult, a human, not pack or anyone's mate etc. Can't she make her own decisions about who she want to hang around with?
I guess the issue would be trying to figure out whether Christy really was hanging out with Marsilla of her own free will or not, which might be a lot more difficult?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Janilee on October 29, 2014, 01:20:13 pm
There would also be the problem of the werewolves owing the vampires for keeping Christie safe.

Huh?  ???

Do you mean "the werewolves would inform Marsilia in no uncertain terms that Christie is THEIRS, not hers, so she better make sure nothing bad happens to Christie"?

No, if Christie was sent to Marsilia to live, the vampires would consider this a favour to the werewolves and thus a debt.

If she went to visit of her own free will, no debt would be involved. Though it would still cause some sort of difficulties.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on October 29, 2014, 02:31:12 pm
Even if it was of her own free will, and Christy did get involved with some more unsavory/evil types, I think Adam would still put a claim on her. I think he would still do everything he can to protect her, and by default Mercy would be sticking her neck out too. No one will probably agree with me, but I think Adam still loves Christy and thinks in a lot of ways she might still be his, sort of in the wife sense. At least now that her coming back would invoke some of those very familiar feelings.

Random thought, but I keep thinking of that scene in one of the batman movies when the joker or two face drops both Robin and Batman's woman down a hole, and he's suppose to choose which one to save. If Adam were ever in that situation I assume he'd go for Mercy but I think there might be some definite hesitation. I don't know if I hope Christy never shows up again, or if I want her to be a bad guy, the kind they can no longer make excuses for, and see her for the person she truly is. Taking off the rose tinted glasses so to speak and judge someone for their actions not just their words or tears.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on October 29, 2014, 02:50:38 pm
He does think of her as his, I suppose, like Ben in "Redemption".
As far as the who to save, he might save Christie under the "Mercy's apt to save herself, she usually does" thing.
 >D
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on October 29, 2014, 03:21:54 pm
Your right he'd probably save Christy, Mercy has saved herself before, but I think she has a longer history of sacrificing herself for others, even when she isn't sure of the outcome, or is sure and think's she won't survive it. Maybe Adam would assume that would be what Mercy wanted him to do, that and there isn't anything he wouldn't do for Jesse, and Christy's the one that gave birth to her, Mercy's more like a really good friend.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Itsy-Cat on October 30, 2014, 08:22:53 am
I think it would probably depend on the situation, and how close to the surface Adam's wolf was.

If it was really dangerous, he'd probably go for Mercy, but if he thought it was something she could get herself out of, he'd go for Christy, since she's so much more helpless.
And I think that if the wolf was close to the surface, he'd go for Mercy regardless of anything else, since Mercy is his mate, Christy is not, and the wolf didn't seem to want to claim her even though Adam was married to Christy for years anyway.

I wonder if Adam's wolf is better at seeing through Christy than Adam is? If so, maybe that's why he didn't claim her?

As an example of the wolf seeing through a situation more clearly than Adam, in Frost Burned, when Mercy was caught by the magic from those bone wrist cuffs, pg 198, Adam thinks 'His beast had noticed immediately and become frantic, but Adam hadn't wanted to see anything wrong.' And there's that bit earlier, when Adam's captured and drugged, when the wolf tells Mercy (pg 41; 'My eyes see, but Adam doesn't percieve'.)

So, anyway, with the wolf able to see some things more clearly than Adam, the fact that he didn't claim Christy as his mate and the whole being more present orientated, rather than getting bogged down in the past (the present being where Christy is only the mother of his child, not even Adam's wife anymore, and where Mercy is his mate), means that I think if the wolf was  close to the surface and both Christy and Mercy were in danger, then Adam would pretty much ignore Christy's issues until Mercy was safe.
I think if Adam was more in control, then it would depend on the severity of the danger, and whether he thought it was something Mercy could handle or not.

I wonder if maybe the wolf got closer to the surface when he heard Mercy on the phone, (when she was trapped in the garage in Night Broken,) and if perhaps that's why Adam was able to get past Christy's weird manipulations and actually yell at her/tell her off about it, which Honey said he'd never done before?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on October 30, 2014, 11:24:34 am
Itsy-Cat that's sort of what I was talking before in a previous post. When I mentioned that Mercy and Christy are two completely different people, I know what Adam sees in Mercy and why he loves her but I haven't seen anything noteworthy with Christy, even at 18 I sort of picture her the same person, only more innocent in the way she wants to marry a man whose very attractive, has money, power, and does whatever she tells him to. I also would like to know how long Christy was on the phone with Mercy until Adam finally decided it was time to take it away. If he had a seconds hesitation of whether to continue hearing Mercy's panic and fear, in order to not make Christy upset with him while Christy started to get rude and nasty with Mercy. Also Honey mentioned after that call Adam snapped at her, personally I think that was the least he could do since Mercy's life was greatly at risk, she would of died, but then the topic was over and not brought up again, how long did he take yelling at her before he was out the door?

I think Adam's wolf is really the one that chose Mercy and gave Adam a push to start a relationship with her. I'm not saying Adam's human side doesn't love or care about her, I just don't think it's as much. It makes me think that Adam side would take Christy back if Mercy wasn't already his mate, and if he didn't have so much honor to keep his word to her. When Mercy first joined the pack and created that bond Bran came down to check on Mercy (because of the rape) and he told her there was a way to break pack ties, I don't know if that was added into it because the readers thought it was a question some of the pack would call to ask so he was answering, or if there was another reason for it that we'll see down the road, kind of foreshadowing, Mercy is getting used to the bonds now but she did have the hesitation with Bran that she'd like to know just not yet, (gut check/ instinct). Mercy in a conversation with Coyote said coyotes don't mate for like, he said old Joe Coyote would of with her mom, I wonder if there was a reason for that part of the conversation to at some point, it wasn't exactly needed for the conversation they were having.

I can't wait until the next Mercy book is out so we know at least what it's going to be about, and if those hints were dropped. I don't make Mercy rocking the boat with Adam, him and the pack deserve some grief from her.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Itsy-Cat on November 01, 2014, 11:30:13 am
I also would like to know how long Christy was on the phone with Mercy until Adam finally decided it was time to take it away. If he had a seconds hesitation of whether to continue hearing Mercy's panic and fear, in order to not make Christy upset with him while Christy started to get rude and nasty with Mercy. Also Honey mentioned after that call Adam snapped at her, personally I think that was the least he could do since Mercy's life was greatly at risk, she would of died, but then the topic was over and not brought up again, how long did he take yelling at her before he was out the door?

Yeah, so maybe Adam's wolf heard Mercy's panic on the phone, got upset about it and pushed closer to the surface, and then there's the snatching the phone from Christy and snapping at her, because the wolf really doesn't care about upsetting Christy when Mercy is in danger, whereas Adam on his own probably would have been... milder? about it?
Either way, he probably didn't yell at Christy for long, since he needed to leave the house and go help Mercy as fast as possible. Maybe that's why snapping at her was all he did too; the wolf just wanting to get Christy out of the way so he can go to his mate, not having time to waste etc?
As for why the topic wasn't picked up on before... I guess sometimes people miss certain points/topics and maybe other times it's just no one really disagrees with it or has anything further they want to add?

With the thing about Bran offering to tell Mercy how to break the pack ties, I'd guess that the reason behind that was more because Bran raised Mercy (as much as her foster parents did, she said at some point, though I don't remember where), and Bran is also very good at reading/understanding people.
For a while, as she was getting used to the pack ties, Mercy was really uncomfortable about it, so maybe Bran, knowing what Mercy is like, knew she might feel uncomfortable about it and so was letting her know that, if it was too uncomfortable, she could ask about how to break the pack bonds and Bran would show her, so she wouldn't have to feel trapped as part of the pack if she didn't want to be?
Maybe that's another reason Bran never considered bringing Mercy into his pack when she was in Aspen Creek; not only that they didn't know it was possible, but that maybe Bran knew she'd feel uncomfortable with the pack ties?
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Janilee on November 01, 2014, 12:10:58 pm
What Bran knows and understands is often mysterious. :)
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Zealith on November 02, 2014, 02:04:19 pm
Either way, he'll probably claim credit for it. LOL
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on November 02, 2014, 05:08:48 pm
I was just so disappointed with the whole Adam and Christy thing during Night Broken, I was actually wishing Mercy might leave at least to clear her head and think through some of his actions about what they really mean as far as his feelings for Christy and her are concerned how upset she was throughout the book because of them and still willing to risk herself, and not question him. Maybe that's why I was hoping that breaking pack ties would be brought up again. I really want Mercy to come first for not only Adam's wolf but for Adam the man himself and that just didn't seem to be the case.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Nille on November 03, 2014, 09:22:05 am
I think Adam didn't stop Christy enough from playing with Mercy. He basically abadonned her except for then she was at the phone calling for help. I WAS SO DISSAPOINTED IN ADAM FOR NOT MAKING IT EASIER ON MERCY  >:(
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on November 03, 2014, 09:58:24 am
Yea well if Mercy had a big enough problem with it, she could always go stay at Kyle's house....
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on November 03, 2014, 10:27:15 am
She could also invite Adam out to coffee, or a run, or dinner, or somewhere they won't be overheard by whatever pack members are in the house, and make plain to him how she feels, including the "I can't smack her down at the house without weakening your position, and we had enough of that when you'd claimed me as your mate WITHOUT TELLING ME, thank you very much, before I accepted you.  You need to step up.  Stop falling into the old pattern." 
Mercy didn't HAVE to be passive aggressive about it.  Werewolves like things to be the same, comfortable, familiar.  Christy was his wife for what, 20 years?  That's a lot of inertia to overcome, especially with the pack bonds pressuring him about it.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on November 03, 2014, 03:13:11 pm
Right Mercy wasn't her usual self in this book, she seemed to shrug a lot off and take her licks. In the Hollows short when Adam seemed to steady/calm himself and accept that Mercy was dead or not going to make it, I hope it didn't have anything to do with Christy being back and a part of him taking comfort in that, that he wasn't going to be alone. Put it that way Mercy seemed more of a victim in this book, I was she would stop taking the blame for things that aren't her fault, or at least get some recognition for the things she has done, and the person she is, but other than a few pack members she doesn't and maybe she never will.

Does anyone thing belonging to the pack has somehow made Mercy less of the person she is or use to be? She was always pretty careful about how she acted with there werewolves and the things she said in front of them, sharing Adam's power and authority didn't do anything for her in Night Broken, you would think she had to restrain herself less. She seemed to walk on egg shells, and since it was her husband, pack, house she shouldn't of had to do that, but she was always so careful of other pack members thoughts and feelings and how they could/would interpret it and go on the offensive with Mercy that she couldn't react like she normally would, being the Alphas mate you'd think she'd be able to tell them "this is what I say or how it is" not that exactly maybe but something along those lines.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on November 03, 2014, 04:39:34 pm
Read it again.  Mercy's thoughts clearly run along the lines of "I could demand this or that regarding Christie, and make it stick, BUT"
And they're big butts.
But it's going to be resented immediately by everyone involved.
But the emotional whammy from C means it's going to be resented long term, even if it's proved C was being manipulative and generally in the wrong.
But if she forces the pack to do a lot of stuff about C that makes them unhappy, they'll do it in the most miserable way they can, making it as slow and as horrible for Mercy as they can, and it's going to affect how they react to future orders from both her & Adam.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on November 03, 2014, 05:40:20 pm
I know Mercy always reigned it in, and I know she had some pretty good reasons for doing so. My point is that she really shouldn't of had to, being the Alphas mate and all,, part of the pack, everything she has done for them etc. The fact that Christy has so much power over them, when she even lies and they can tell she is lying they still don't call her out on I and a lot of them still take her side, even though she clearly doesn't think much about them, and calls them monsters. She even got between Daryl and his mate, and they seemed to have such a close relationship. And Adam doesn't really seem to have a problem with it, when Daryl went off on Mercy because Christy again manipulated a situation Adam is just like "that's our Christy" all tender and caring, like it was a cute thing to do which is the opposite of what it was, and normally if one of his wolves came at Mercy in that way he would of made them back down but because it was Christy vs Mercy more then anything, he said nothing. How much longer should Mercy keep biting her tongue to try and please everyone else, which clearly is still not working. I liked Mercy more when she was her own women, even before Christy made her appearance when she called Daryl's mate when on te offensive with Mercy and got aggressive when Mercy never said anything against Christy the fact that she was coming to stay with them, or that Adam was again paying her fees and offering more money.

Mercy doesn't want Adam's money she's trying to keep that part of her dependence, but the fact that he's so financially tied to Christy even when she left him and he remarried is odd.

Maybe Christy has some witch blood or made a demon deal? Or a deal with some powerful being so Mercy or the wolves wouldn't sense it, for her to have that kind of power. Even though she isn't super strong or fast, being able to influence people to do whatever she wants and come to her aid, and shake the ties between mates is a good gift to have. It's more then Mary Jo, Paul, and Henry were able to do, and they accomplished some damage.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on December 22, 2014, 10:25:06 pm
In an interview I read with Patricia Briggs over Night Broken, Patty lists a few of Mercy's strongest female relationships; Her mom, Marisilia, Leah, Honey, Mary Jo, Auriele, and she says that some of them will become good friends and others will be enemies. Now some of these aren't surprising especially after the last book. On the hate Mercy side we've had Marisilia, Leah, Mary Jo, and Christy, also I'm moving Auriele on that side (because I personally think if Christy can influence her relationship with her mate to where it was straining and giving them issues, I have no doubt she can get her BFF Auriele to hate Mercy enough to do a lot of damage), and on the side who likes Mercy out of the ones Patty listed we have Mercy's mom and Honey. So since it has been easy for a few books now to know who Mercy's enemies would be and who could maybe be her friends, I'm taking this to mean either one or a few of those Mercy haters will either move toward the other side of the spectrum, slowly becoming Mercy's friend, then turning out to be a good friend, and some of the ones listed that we know don't like Mercy will openly be her enemy (being proactive about it, though Mary Jo already did that). What do you guys think? And which ones?

She also mentioned the next Mercy book will be the fae reminding people why they are feared. Since I haven't officially read the Alpha and Omega series (because don't the stories collide?), I might be at a disadvantage. Will the fae just openly start attacking people? Or pulling something like a Trojan horse? I remember Mercy asked Zee if they were going to try and rule the world, I just need to go back and since what his response was, whatever it was I don't think it calmed Mercy's worry.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Itsy-Cat on December 23, 2014, 02:26:31 pm
What if Marsilla was one who slowly became a friend? ??? Pretty unlikely, I guess, but... I don't know, it could be funny, seeing the expressions on certain wolves faces if they walked in to find Mercy and Marsilla chatting at the garage or something. For something like that to happen though, Marsilla would have to change her eating habits, and get her whole seethe to follow Stephan's example or something... maybe she'd be willing to do that if it was the only way to get Stephan to rejoin the seethe? Maybe she'd hate Mercy less if Stephan fell under Christy's spell and Mercy helped get Stephan back?
It does seem weird how Christy is able to influence people. Maybe she's descended from a lesser known type of supernatural with that ability? Except neither she or the people around her know it?

With the fae, I suspect they'd go for more covert sneak attacks/trojan horse type stuff, since they're very good at things like glamour, misdirection, lying without exactly lying etc. Some of them are very powerful, and they could go for direct attacks, but they'd be severely outnumbered and facing humans with lots of cold iron weapons if they did so, so I doubt they'd go that route. Only a few fae (like Zee and the gray lords) would be likely to have a chance of surviving something like that.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on December 23, 2014, 03:42:18 pm
Yea but the fae aren't the only supes in the game, for world domination if they wanted to turn humans into slaves, and kill many of them off, I think the vamps would have a problem with them attracting so much attention and cutting into their food supply? Then there are the wolves, I'd think they'd be on the human side of things since a lot of them have family members they care for, and have enough problems with people thinking they're just dangerous monsters who should be put down.

I can't see Mercy ever forgiving Marsilia because of what she did to Stefan, and how her vamp problems got so many humans killed (Andre being hers and her responsibility). Also, it funny how Mercy takes responsibility for all of her actions, and blame for things that aren't her fault and beyond her control, and Christy takes none. I want to know how Adam can "fall" for two completely different woman. Adam loving Christy, and his wolf choosing Mercy makes the most sense, even if Adam agreed with his wolf and the assessment of Mercy. Patty has said that her vamps have souls even though a lot of them think and act like they don't, though Thomas Hao told Mercy good people don't become vamps, Stefan's sheep didn't seem to be horrible. I have no idea why the wolves choose Christy, don't put any blame or responsibility to her (even though this latest mess she brought to their door step), they know she's lying, and doesn't feel guilt, and has a lot of distain for them, yet they ignore all that. No matter what their senses and instincts tell them they continue to be Christy's prey. And Mercy has never got a pat on the back for almost dying, or the number of times she's saved them, bled for them. This grows tiresome. I get the coyote thing, and wolves instinct to kill lesser predators, I get Mercy being able to carry children, and their contempt for that. What I don't get is being irrational and blind (uncaring) of her sacrifices. And Though I was a huge Mercy and Adam fan in all the previous books, this latest development did a number on me. And I saw a side to Adam I didn't really want to see or accept, I didn't like it. And kind, forgiving, understanding Mercy, I want to see her come first, she deserves it. My thoughts are where is the line going to be drawn? To where Mercy says I don't want nor deserve to roll with this punches anymore. It's one thing to love someone, it's another to love and be with them. And no one still wants to see Mercy and Adam together, some of the pack members deliberately mentally attacked her, and her bond with Adam, nearly got him and Ben killed, but because both Mary Jo and Paul got a few bruises, broken bones, all is forgotten? Seems weak. If Henry went to Bran because it was his idea, Paul and Mary Jo should of went to because I don't think they still can be trusted, not after something like that.

I think it would be nice to see Mercy take a break from the pack and their problems, get back to who she was without having to worry about stepping on so many lethal toes. Freedom and a break from living in a glass bowl, no matter how much Adam is worth it. I also wonder how Adam's second is dealing with Christy living with them and Auriele being her best friend, (if they are planning something together, I didn't think his mate would go that route but Christy seems capable of getting people to do anything for her, and she wasn't crying over her boy friend Troy getting killed by the got, the man she went out with as soon as she started ignoring her immortal ex, instead if just telling him it was over).
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on December 23, 2014, 09:53:09 pm
Well here's a good review on Night Broken, I'm really posting it the comment at the end. It's not a Patty interview per say but the question why Adam married Christy is there, so I'll post that too. I'm sure there is more too it then that, because these reasons seem bad for Adam and Christy to get married, though the person Adam turns in to when he's with her, and the person she is seem right on the dot.

http://ebookobsessed.com/2014/03/night-broken-by-patricia-briggs/

Mike Briggs March 12, 2014 at 3:27 am # 
 

Dear Lucy,
 Sorry we didn’t manage to get an interview with you — Patty’s publicist does most of the choosing. Patty spent almost a week doing interviews, and that’s all she has time for if she’s going to get the next book written. We’ll clone her as soon as we get a chance. However, I’ll try to answer the two questions you proposed.

Adam was attracted to Christy because she’s the soft, sweet girly-girl who needed protecting. She IS manipulative, and competitive (which were on display in this book), but she’s also the sort of girl who just loves to hang on the arm of a big strong man who makes her feel safe and bat her eyelashes at him.

Adam is a good man, but with a bit of a paladin complex. Most guys like being able to rescue a woman now and again. Feeling like a hero is a good thing (particularly if you have a deeply buried sense of self loathing). She needed a hero, and a bank account, and he was happy enough to oblige.

But Adam’s wolf never accepted Christy. She married Adam, and they even had Jessie (so obviously, in a physical sense, they were mated). That that was only only Adam the man, the wolf never accepted her, and she was never officially made part of the Pack. She was just the Alpha’s wife (and a darn fine cook). The pack liked her, but she wasn’t bound to Adam’s wolf by the mating bond, or to the pack bonds.

Thanks for the great comments!

All Best,
 Mike
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Zealith on December 24, 2014, 03:34:55 pm
Thank you for linking to that. That was more or less my impression, but it's nice to have conformation on occasion.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on December 24, 2014, 06:10:34 pm
Your very welcome! I've been looking everywhere, through all the Q&A's, and interviews to see if any of the questions I've had and am curious about ( by that I mean nearly obsessed in knowing/finding out), have been answered or commented on somewhere else. But that was the only one that even came close to one of the things I was interested in. I don't think I know this Adam, the one that was with and chose Christy oppose to the one I've known since Moon Called. It just seems so superficial and hollow. Although that answer makes sense to Adam sort of reverting to the husband he was with Christy when she came back in the picture. Christy and Mercy couldn't be more complete opposites, Adam has mentioned he's thankful for that and I know he has compared the two before, but isn't there a small part of him that wishes she wasn't? Or that likes a few of Christy's characteristics (other than cooking) more? Does he miss it at all? I'm going to say for the sake of the Mercy and Adam undying perfect true love they would do anything for each other relationship. No. Yet it doesn't feel like the right answer to me. A part of Adam still is under Christy's thrall and the moment she appears over the scene, Mercy takes her hits all the way down the line.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on January 27, 2015, 10:26:11 am
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Also out today: NIGHT BROKEN by Patricia Briggs, in ppbk. Hint: price drop! Latest in Mercy Thompson series. http://www.penguin.com/book/night-broken-by-patricia-briggs/9780425256275 …
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on June 07, 2015, 11:27:17 pm
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Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Janilee on June 08, 2015, 08:12:11 am
He just finally woke up from the nap she induced. :D
Title: Questions about Night Broken
Post by: Kristenann on August 04, 2015, 09:18:21 am
First I want to say that I love the Mercy series, since book 1 the characters and story were interesting and compelling. I have some questions concerning the latest book in the series Night Broken, because there are a lot of things I was unsure about and I’m not sure if I’m reading it right, adding in my own biased perspective.

First since Christy appeared on the scene, it seemed like she had taken over the role as Adam’s wife, as the story dragged on it almost appeared like Mercy was just the stand –in wife until Christy decided to come back. I understand that Adam is an old fashioned man, and how easy it was to fall back into the role he was accustomed to when Christy lived there, even though Mercy is his mate. Christy took the room next door, and had Adam stay home from work because she felt more comfortable with him around even though she calls him a monster. Christy had Adam’s phone which nearly got Mercy killed at one point when she refused to pass it on to him when Mercy was in trouble and called, was Adam there when this happened and he allowed Christy to answer his calls and just didn’t want to be rude and take the phone from her? Adam asked Mercy at one point why she just didn’t leave a message for Christy (like Christy would really pass it on to him), and Honey asked him if he was asking his wife to leave a message? Christy took over the household why Mercy was treated like dirt at some points, like she was almost expected just to put up with it. Adam shared tender and sentiment looks with Christy when they were sharing stories of their past, though it made Mercy uncomfortable, though I understand they had a past together and it’s expected they would talk of the good times they shared. Mercy lost weight and was upset, at first I thought it odd Adam didn’t seem to notice, except when Mercy mentioned stopping to pick up food and Adam mentioned she should eat that she has lost weight, he even offered her to go stay at Kyle’s house. Did Adam really just ask his wife and mate if she wanted to stay at a friend’s house instead of what is supposed to be her home with her husband? Like “if it upsets you so much you can stay elsewhere”. Then when Christy was tearing Adam down in front of the pack and Mercy stuck up for him, he tells her “as long as she understands none of this was Christy’s fault”, but that wasn’t strictly true. Also it was obvious when Christy was tearing him down a lot of the things she said applied to the pack and other werewolves, Honey was even upset, he lets her say that about him, but he also let her upset his pack family when he should have been protecting them?

Christy looked Mercy in the face and commented how Adam would of never left her (which is probably true), and told Adam she loved him. His response to Christy was “thank you”, and it was specific so with Christy’s ego she could have taken it as a hopeful sign that he thanked her for still loving him. I just found it rude with Mercy standing right there. Christy starting trouble in the pack and having them go after Mercy for it, and Adam just says “that’s our Christy” like Mercy needed more trouble and Christy’s actions were okay. When Mercy was in the hospital Christy tells her she wished she would have died, I didn’t find that at all amusing and acceptable, though Adam said she was told not to come back. Also Adam is alpha so very protective, especially with his daughter Jesse, but sometimes a parent’s duty is to protect their child from the other parent when their actions are deemed harmful to the child. Jesse being left alone and abandon by her mother so many times, and when she was 12 one of her mother’s boyfriends slipping into her bed is a big deal. I doubt Christy called the police on this man so he could of done in to another child later on, and though Jesse wasn’t physically harmed that doesn’t mean something couldn’t of happened. Mercy has also wondered how many times Jesse has walked in on her mother with men, like her mother just told her to go back to her room. Adam might have said something to Christy about these events, but they kept happening whenever she was with her mother.

Adam also still pays for Christy, while Mercy pays her own bills. I know how he keeps taking care of her and Mercy wants to support herself financially, but now that he’s remarried it seems odd. And how Adam has married someone the complete opposite of his first wife who was 18 when they got together, sort of makes me question if it was Adam’s wolf that wanted Mercy first and gave him that push, though Adam the man might of found a woman like Christy more to his taste. Like Adam the man loves both of them equally and it’s only his wolf that tips the scale? I’m probably reading too much into this.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on August 04, 2015, 12:15:35 pm
Lots of us - as you see by the previous 15 pages of the thread - are asking the same things. 
We're hoping the next volume will answer some of this. 
Personally, I'm wondering if Christy, like Phin Brewer the bookstore guy, has some fae blood way back that comes out this strange way in her.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kristenann on August 04, 2015, 12:37:16 pm
Yea, I was hoping PB might be able to answer some of these, if they aren't too spoilery or planned to be settled in future books. There was nothing mentioned in the scene that came from Adam's pov, or from the short that took place after Night Broken, like the matter was already settled. Or that none of the things I mentioned are an issue at all, but they still really bother me.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on August 04, 2015, 07:51:20 pm
Well, she doesn't plot far enough ahead (as we're frequently told, she's a 'pantser') to have originally had long range plans for this line.  It's possible that she's got something simmering in the back of her mind, but she doesn't tend to answer this kind of general "what were you thinking?" question, as far as I can see.

If you put it less as "all this is confusing and dramatically unsatisfying" and more "What caused ____?" or "Do you have a plan for how Christie's walking all over Mercy?" you might get an answer, but check the date of the last time she came in and ran up answers to any of the things in the "Ask Patty" section. 
Most of the answers there for about the past... two years?... are things mods snipped out of interviews and pasted in where we saw her answering these things.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: L8girl on October 12, 2015, 11:34:22 am
I just spent the last hour (yay, I'm off today!) reading everyone's posts on Night Broken, with all of your inferences about Mercy, Adam, Christy and the pack.  It's awesome how much a series and the characters in those books have become such a part of everyone's existence!  My circle of friends and family don't understand how I can be so immersed in a book that I talk about these characters as if they were real people! 
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: L8girl on October 12, 2015, 02:13:44 pm
Oh, wow, I just saw my post, and only the one paragraph showed up!   
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Janilee on October 12, 2015, 04:08:44 pm
Patty does write lively characters. :D
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: chloe on October 16, 2015, 12:08:53 pm
I just spent the last hour (yay, I'm off today!) reading everyone's posts on Night Broken, with all of your inferences about Mercy, Adam, Christy and the pack.  It's awesome how much a series and the characters in those books have become such a part of everyone's existence!  My circle of friends and family don't understand how I can be so immersed in a book that I talk about these characters as if they were real people! 

I agree, recently I spent an evening reading most of the "Female power in the packs" thread.  About every idea I ever wondered about was in there.  I really love the character development in Patty's books.  :)
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: midnight on October 18, 2015, 11:25:53 am
I just spent the last hour (yay, I'm off today!) reading everyone's posts on Night Broken, with all of your inferences about Mercy, Adam, Christy and the pack.  It's awesome how much a series and the characters in those books have become such a part of everyone's existence!  My circle of friends and family don't understand how I can be so immersed in a book that I talk about these characters as if they were real people! 

I agree, recently I spent an evening reading most of the "Female power in the packs" thread.  About every idea I ever wondered about was in there.  I really love the character development in Patty's books.  :)

I'm exactly the same. I absolutely adore Mercy, she is my kind of woman through and through. (and of course not forgetting my adorable Warren and the fun Ben) I'm the only one in my family that reads these books and like you I talk about them and the story as if they were real.
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: chloe on October 20, 2015, 10:42:53 am
I'm exactly the same. I absolutely adore Mercy, she is my kind of woman through and through. (and of course not forgetting my adorable Warren and the fun Ben) I'm the only one in my family that reads these books and like you I talk about them and the story as if they were real.

I live in Western washington (meaning west of the Cascade mtn range) and sometimes on the news I hear about events the Tri-Cities areas, or someone will mention that area.  Half the time I think "oh, that's where Mercy and the pack live".  And of course I can't hear about Montana without wondering where Aspen Creek is. 
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Kyria on October 20, 2015, 06:12:20 pm
I have a coworker currently who originated in Pasco, and today she said something about them having farms around there, too...
I had to bite my tongue to not say, "Also, werewolves." 
Title: Re: [Mercy #8] Night Broken **SPOILERS**
Post by: Patti L. on October 20, 2015, 07:50:30 pm
Wineries.  You can mention wineries.