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Title: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Iris101 on September 04, 2007, 02:14:51 pm
If he chose Mercy while he was still married maybe thats why his wife reminds me so much of Lea.

Lea: Hates Mercy, and if allowed to would probably kill her.
Adams X: Hates Adam, and always gives him a super hard time.  Even when she leaves Jessie home alone without giving her or anybody else except her current boy friend any heads up about it.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: jenniwee on September 05, 2007, 08:57:02 pm
I think the timing issue pretty much sends Mercy's protection theory straight to hell.  I really hope Patty tells us more about the mate thing, not to mention clearing up whether or not Adam moved to the Tri-Cities on Bran's orders, in the next book.

Adams X: Hates Adam, and always gives him a super hard time.  Even when she leaves Jessie home alone without giving her or anybody else except her current boy friend any heads up about it.

I pretty much think that Adam's ex is just a really nasty piece of work.  Everything that goes wrong is someone elses fault, resenting the responsibility of children, behaving like an immature teenager in a pathetic attempt to recapture your youth.  Lots of people like that out there.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: jackie on September 05, 2007, 09:07:51 pm
One thing a few years experience will tell you is that divorce is at best a necessary thing.  At worst it is ugly and messy and never ending. And there is no such thing as a divorce where only one person is wrong or right. I think Mercy and Adam should and probably will consider this. One can only hope it isn't too hard on the innocents.  It looks like Jesse wasn't an emotional winner in this divorce because she does need both of her parents even if only one of them is stepping up to the plate. 
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: jenglows on September 06, 2007, 12:41:09 pm
One thing a few years experience will tell you is that divorce is at best a necessary thing.  At worst it is ugly and messy and never ending. And there is no such thing as a divorce where only one person is wrong or right. I think Mercy and Adam should and probably will consider this. One can only hope it isn't too hard on the innocents.  It looks like Jesse wasn't an emotional winner in this divorce because she does need both of her parents even if only one of them is stepping up to the plate. 
I completely agree.  Adam has played some part in the situation with his ex-wife, people don't just necome that crazy-bitter for no reason. Either she was a bit off when they began the relationship and the deterioration of the marriage flipped her out or something else is going on that we don't know about.  I don't think Sam is the only one that has secrets here.   If Mercy was my friend, I'd advise her to stear clear of guys with crazzed ex-wives and teenage kids in the middle. It's just a nasty situation that is no fun for anyone and can cause serious problems in future relationships for all of the players.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Spryte on September 06, 2007, 04:24:16 pm
If she was a bit off from the beggining why would Adam have married her? Surely his wolf would have stuck it's nose in there at one point or another. But, then what could have happened to her to make her so nasty that involved Adam, I just can't see him intentionally hurting the anyone like that with out very very good reason.  Makes you wonder what happened, or maybe if it was She who hurt him in the first place.... cheating, in love with his money, etc.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: DeDanann on September 06, 2007, 04:46:30 pm
If she was a bit off from the beggining why would Adam have married her? Surely his wolf would have stuck it's nose in there at one point or another. But, then what could have happened to her to make her so nasty that involved Adam, I just can't see him intentionally hurting the anyone like that with out very very good reason.  Makes you wonder what happened, or maybe if it was She who hurt him in the first place.... cheating, in love with his money, etc.

Sometimes a person's faults are not as apparent when you first marry them, and you find out only after it's too late.  Or you're lonely and want a relationship to work so badly that you ignore potentially serious faults when you shouldn't.  Patty has already said that people sometimes fall in love and the wolf doesn't agree, but they marry anyway.  The wolf might not be able to read Adam's ex's mind and know how she was going to turn out, and even if it could sense something wrong, Adam may have wanted a relationship so bad that he ignored the danger signs.  Happens all the time.  Happened to me when I was 21.  (Shrug.)  People make mistakes.  But the key thing is, you're supposed to move on after a mistake.  I have very little sympathy for people who choose to become bitter and vindictive, like Adam's ex.  Life's too short for that (for most of us.)  And believe me, bitter and vindictive is a choice.  I've seen people make it again and again.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: jenglows on September 06, 2007, 06:40:12 pm
If she was a bit off from the beggining why would Adam have married her? Surely his wolf would have stuck it's nose in there at one point or another. But, then what could have happened to her to make her so nasty that involved Adam, I just can't see him intentionally hurting the anyone like that with out very very good reason.  Makes you wonder what happened, or maybe if it was She who hurt him in the first place.... cheating, in love with his money, etc.

Sometimes men do things with out thinking that really impacts a spouse, not because they are intentially trying to hurt them but just because they are kinda inconsiterate or just feel that whatever is more important and don't realize the impact until it's too late.  It's been my expeirence that men aren't always the most empathic thinkers and often don't understand how much their actions impact others...just a thought...
 DeDannan has a good point too, some people really can't get over or rebound from emotional injury. It's sad and can/will destroy their life as well as the other people involved.  poor Jesse. She's gonna have some issues later in life.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Shiri on September 10, 2007, 06:43:28 pm
In terms of Adam's ex, I know right now she is painted as a horrible person and an awful mother.  I can't help wondering though, what she was like before she lost so many children before they were born.  In the books, Jesse mentions that many of Adam and his ex-wife's children died in the womb.  That happening once can turn anyone cold,think of that happening over and over again.  She probably just couldn't handle any of it.  That doesn't totally explain why she's such a bad mother now, but it may explain why Adam married her.  She could have been a different person before all of the miscarriages.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: jenglows on September 10, 2007, 08:54:09 pm
True, true Shiri  :)  The fact that Adam knew that children would be hard and might not of told her until *after* they were married when he dropped the " BTW, I'm a werewolf" :o bomb might explain at least some of her bitter resentment towards him. :(
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: jenniwee on September 11, 2007, 09:42:18 am
I'm not really suprised that she's bitter toward Adam.  The whole I'm actually a werewolf would probably be a deal breaker for me (though in defense of all the weres, before the weres came out, you weren't permitted to tell until after you married).  What I find so distasteful about her is her treatment of Jesse.  I mean, running of to Vegas without providing care for your child?  dating a guy who tried to rape her?  That's classified as abuse. 
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: jenglows on September 11, 2007, 10:15:11 am
yeah, I don't have much sympathy for her  either as it relates to Jesse.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: jackie on September 11, 2007, 12:08:59 pm
Absolutely.  Even if she didn't know about the rape - incest like stuff is hard to find out about - I know you can watch out for it.  I made a point of learning for myself and reminding people that it's much more common for kids to be harmmed by trusted people than strangers.  And kids WILL tell you if you listen and pay attention.

A childhood friend was sexually abused by her adoptive father and told her adoptive mother, her social worker, her birth parents and a couple teachers.  No one believed her.  After 2 years and running away 4-5 times her adoptive parents decided she was a bad kid and had her put in a group home.  Best thing that ever happenned to her.  She met the first of 3 people she considered her real parents.  It is she who saved herself , though, because she survived long enough to find them and was able to trust them when she did.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: jenglows on September 11, 2007, 12:32:16 pm
It's illegal for social workers and teachers not to report suspected or admitted cases of abuse. She could sue the school and the county. She should contact a lawyer. Seriously, that situation is horrible and shouldn't happen to anyone else.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: jackie on September 11, 2007, 02:02:23 pm
I agree.   It was reported.  No one believed her - they all thought the adoptive father was a great guy.  I think not being believed caused her as much or more pain than the actual abuse. 

Listen.  Even if the acusation can't be proven, separate the child and the accused just in case.  It's too important to take a chance.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Elle on September 17, 2007, 09:23:29 pm
Adam is not the kind of person who would declare Mercy his mate while he was still married.  It was in response to a specific incident (which Mercy doesn't know much about) where it was the lesser of two evils -- Adam saw it as his best chance to keep Mercy alive and keep his pack whole.  It happened not too long before Moon Called began.   

Oh...as my imagination goes into overdrive! I hope we get to see this in a flashback.  8)
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Triakel on January 16, 2008, 02:10:49 pm
Could we start a new thread about Adam's marriage, divorce and ex wife?
Someone (sorry, am only starting to get familiar with some of the most prolific posters) did a wonderful job of collecting facts on everyone, but I thought maybe a more speculative forum?

ETA: Title modified. Elle
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on January 16, 2008, 02:20:45 pm
sure, why not start a more direct thread

i'm not a fan of his ex, mainly because of mercy's stories and what we know of her, but i understand how hard it must have been for her to go through 4 miscarriages before having jessie
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Has on January 16, 2008, 02:27:52 pm
there was a similar discussion here

http://hurog.com/forum/index.php?topic=341.0

but I would like to participate although I wonder if we should move this thread over at Mercy books section because I know I will go into spoilerific territory-

I also think that Adam's ex couldnt handle being a Alpha's mate especially with the potential of violence and loss of control.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on January 16, 2008, 02:31:26 pm
thats also a good point and she may have been nervous with all the weres, which is why she moved so far away (at least i think she moved far away)

we should ask grey or cole to move the topic, good point with spoilers has
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Triakel on January 16, 2008, 02:38:36 pm
Right, I'll see if I can move it.
/L

Ummm. How do you move a thread???
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Has on January 16, 2008, 02:49:07 pm
we have to wait till Grey Drakkon or Cole aka as Sargent of squirrels can move it! they are the mods  ;D
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Triakel on January 16, 2008, 02:53:26 pm
Oh, ok. And thanks for pasting in the link to the other thread. See ya all tomorrow  :) How did the balcony scene go again, goodnight goodnight, parting is such sweet sorrow etc..
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on January 16, 2008, 06:42:29 pm
yeah only the mods can move a thread ;)  they hold the power :P
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Has on January 19, 2008, 12:21:46 pm
Thanks Grey for moving the topic!  ;D
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Patti L. on January 19, 2008, 04:21:26 pm
http://hurog.com/forum/index.php?topic=341.0

but I would like to participate although I wonder if we should move this thread over at Mercy books section because I know I will go into spoilerific ted rritory-

I also think that Adam's ex couldnt handle being a Alpha's mate especially with the potential of violence and loss of control.
This had me confused until I understood that you didn't mean -Adam's- loss of control, but the potential of loss of control of the others in the pack when he's not at hand. 
So it's ironic, if that was part of her problem, that she shifted herself & Jesse into a situation where there was more potential - and to some extent, actual - danger than there was among the CB pack!  I'm referring, of course, to her boyfriends, & the one that tried to come after Jesse.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Has on January 19, 2008, 04:33:27 pm
sorry I didnt make that clear-  :P
But you are right but its also her bitterness she allowed to be eaten up by it.

But I have a feeling that Christy his ex may not like Mercy as well- I don't think Mercy could have kept her real feelings for her hidden. I am also very interested in her reaction about Mercy accepting Adam, because unlike her Mercy can certainly handle the situation with Adam and the pack, and thats not including the fertility issue either! Its almost shades of Leah I think - from the impression we get in the books this woman is way too bitter for her not to interfere and cause trouble.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Patti L. on January 19, 2008, 04:59:09 pm
Can we say "restraining order"?
Alas, it won't help any more here than it would in the real world.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on January 19, 2008, 05:19:49 pm
i also think that see could end up to be like leah, a person who dislikes mercy for jealousy reasons, but can never do anything about it without huge consequences
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Has on January 20, 2008, 10:20:07 am
And poor Jesse is going to get caught in the middle of it as well, especially when her mother comes back from her trip and is over the honeymoon 'period' of her latest relationship, she doesnt sound like she can stick with a guy because of her bitterness and hangups.
And Jesse she definitely wants Mercy to be with Adam, her matchmaking in Moon Called and her conversation with Mercy in Iron Kissed. I think things are going to get messy on that end.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Triakel on January 20, 2008, 11:05:39 am
Mmmm. I agree with all above  :)

Btw, how much do you love Jesse? I like that she rebells in such mature ways, like dying her hair. It always bugged me, especially when I was that age myself, how some kids did these really STUPID things. I know, I know, there's lots of psycology and all, but I've always liked logic, and doing stuff that hurts yourself has always seemed to me to be a really illogical way of getting at someone else... Although I suppose that's the point. But still, you know, it really bugs me, especially when what's "rebelled" against is fairly benign (and therefore not an excuse to go all non-linear, in my book).

Back to Jesse though. I've wondered how Mercy looks at Jesse though. Its obvious she's really protective, but I wonder if she's ever thought about how Jesse sorta "could have been hers". You know, if she'd gone off with Samuel, and gotten knocked up at 16, then her kid would have been Jesse's age.
Regardless of the above, must say its nice to have potentially mixed families (my kids, your kids, our kids) described in such positive terms though. Like, of course it's always hard to make any relationships work, but getting along with Jesse is probably like the smallest of Mercy's worries in having a relationship with Adam.

/L
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Has on January 20, 2008, 12:34:49 pm
Interesting thought about Jesse and Mercy although I see its more of a big sister/little sister relationship and I think Mercy represents a more stable and responsible role model compared to her mother. I also think Jesse sees Mercy as a great mate for her father.  She probably saw that he is happier  with Mercy than with her    mother because of her mother's inability to be an Alpha's mate and I bet also that there must have been humdingers of arguments later in their marriage, Mercy hinted this in the earlier books. I think Jesse can see that Mercy isnt afraid of the violent nature of the wolves and can handle it better and also he needs someone to stand up against him.
Triakel I bet Mercy's junk yard art show for Adam showed Jesse how to rebel against her father in a non stupid/agressive way as well  ;D
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Triakel on January 20, 2008, 12:52:00 pm
Good point Has. That car-art is good rebelling at a high level. Although despite her mother, Jesse seems like a very level-headed kid. And smart. She probably wouldn't have gone for the bad-for-you-rebelling anyways. It's like that quote from the "Sarcastic quotes" thread, about the vegetarian kid of Mercy and Adam. I could totally see a teenage-werewolf-Jesse become vegetarian during her non-wolf phases just to tease her dad.
And she could quote Angua from Terry Pratchett (another vegetarian werewolf) on how hard it is to be a vegetarian when you have to pick chicken-pieces out of your teeth every full moon...

/L
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on January 20, 2008, 01:15:18 pm
i was worried about jesse in this situation if her mom comes into the picture i'm just hoping it doesn't mess up anything between mercy and adam
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Triakel on January 20, 2008, 01:39:29 pm
Mmm. I hear ya Kiersten. But like someone said, Jesse's pretty old (15-16 right) so she should be able to influence where she lives to some degree, don't you think? Now that Adam's out, his ex can't even hold his turning furry every month over his head. And considering what Jesse told about her mother's care in Moon Called, if Adam plays hardball how couldn't he win in court?

Because I like things structured, let's tally up the score;

Adam Pro:
1. Devoted parent (evidence; chooses spending time with daughter over important work).
2. Secure economic situation (evidence; own company).
3. Stable family situation (evidence; no catty-ing around, comitted relationship to one woman, at least on his part).
4. Good support system (evidence; pack, always people to look after Jess).

Adam Con:
1. Werewolf (from a human point of view). The werewolf thing might give a human court the following to object to:
    1a. exposure to violence
    1b. physical danger (Adam's short temper, although this could probably be nullified by a good lawyer and character witnesses, right). 2. His gender (he's not the mother, "only" the father)
 3. Relationship with Mercy (if what Kiersten fears comes true, and his ex tries to use that against him)

Christy Pro:
1. Gender (mother's "traditionally" the caregivers)
2. Probably pretty (since Jesse is, and hey, let's face it; looking good gives us benefits. It's even been done real research on this, and being pretty usually gives you better treatment)

Christy Con:
1. Irrisponsible (leaves Jesse alone)
2. Creates a hazardous enviroment (has boyfriends that tries to rape her daughter)
3. Immature (always falling in love, taking off with them and pursuing some fantasy of two-someness)
4. Emotionally unstable (how else to explain leaving your child alone, without even TELLING her where you are? That has got to be some serious inability to relate to others)

Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Has on January 20, 2008, 02:14:59 pm
I think Christy is going to play hardball methinks- the whole legislation with the werewolves and the fact that Adam was caught on video attacking Tim's corpse is definitely a ball in her court which she will use. Although he has helped to clear that up along with Charles it shows him being violent and uncontrolled.
 She is the type of person to do that - I dont think she is aware or cares about Jesse's welfare and would like to just  prove what she really thinks about him being a werewolf and would help to vindicate her bitterness and inability to handle pack life.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Triakel on January 20, 2008, 02:24:44 pm
Yeah, forgott about the video-evidence. That's seriously heavy fire against Adam.

I'll add it;

Adam Con:
1c. Adam's temper (as evidenced by video)
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on January 20, 2008, 02:29:59 pm
i get that jesse is old and responsible, but after the boys beat her i don't think she is going to have much say in who she is going to live with.  if mercy moves in with adam (i dont think she will soon but eventually if they stay she may) than it would be awkward with jesse there also - like when she walked in when he was massaging mercy in BB
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Triakel on January 20, 2008, 02:42:35 pm
I don't know if I agree Kiersten. I mean, lots of teens grow up with their parents having a healthy sexlife right? Why would it be different just 'cause Mercy isn't Jesse's mum?
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Has on January 20, 2008, 02:58:02 pm
I agree with Triakel- if you look at BB and the massage scene- Jesse thought that Mercy was going to rip into her but that wasnt the case. Probably it has happened to her before with her own mother which Mercy commented. But I very much doubt that Jesse would get upset or even uncomfortable with it - she looked happy that Mercy made a joke out of it at the expense of Adam lol. Although I think Adam and Mercy will be careful when they get amorous but from the looks of it both of them seem to be interrupted everytime they get together!
 :D
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: charmed on January 20, 2008, 03:55:16 pm
Hey folks, we seem to be straying from the topic of Adams marriage. You could start a new thread about Mercy and Adam's relationship and another one about Mercy and Jesse's relationship though :)
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on January 20, 2008, 04:00:44 pm
yeah, sorry.  adams old marriage didn't last obviously.  do you think he will eventually marry mercy?
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Has on January 20, 2008, 04:06:54 pm
I just started a new thread in the Iron Kissed section - I think we are going to go off topic again about talking about Adam and Mercy instead of him and his ex :P
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on January 20, 2008, 04:08:39 pm
okay, i just posted over there.  well, after his divorce do you think he will re-marry. (there, no mention of mercy)
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: jenniwee on January 27, 2008, 06:03:24 pm
Do you think if Christy comes after Adam, he'll get Kyle to represent him?  I thought that would be a cool story line.  Have one of the weres go through a nasty divorce, and since they're out now, have the wife play hardball over the issue, then Kyle could come in and crush her.  It would go a long way toward cementing Warren's place in the pack, and allowing Kyle as his accepted mate.  Plus, I think it would be funny to see Kyle at work dealing with weres (I definitely think he would be dominate, but more like Bran ;)).
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: charmed on January 27, 2008, 06:04:38 pm
I like the way you think jenniwee  :D
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Patti L. on January 27, 2008, 06:24:33 pm
Fun idea, but I don't think Kyle would think of himself in those terms.  More like, oh, a bear, or hm, a puma maybe?  Another type of predator/omnivore that shares some of the territory with the pack, acknowledging each other but not having a place in the same species/group's pecking order.  Another meat eater to respect, because you could hurt each other if you fought, but with enough divergence in interest (bears are more interested in salmon, grubs, other things wolves don't eat) that they don't feel the need to confront & try to drive each other off.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Triakel on January 28, 2008, 04:35:03 am
Do you think if Christy comes after Adam, he'll get Kyle to represent him?  I thought that would be a cool story line.  Have one of the weres go through a nasty divorce, and since they're out now, have the wife play hardball over the issue, then Kyle could come in and crush her.  It would go a long way toward cementing Warren's place in the pack, and allowing Kyle as his accepted mate.  Plus, I think it would be funny to see Kyle at work dealing with weres (I definitely think he would be dominate, but more like Bran ;)).

Love that idea! It could be a battle worthy of our battle-thread...
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Has on January 28, 2008, 05:44:23 am
I was wondering as well about whether who was the one that called it quits between Adam and Christy- although I assume that Christy due to her increasingly bitterness was the one. Perhaps Adam decided to end it because it must have caused instability in the pack - Mercy hinted that she was disruptive. Perhaps if that was the case I wonder if that is another reason why Christy is that way because from the tidbits that we get from the chats and books- she is unable to live alone and blames Adam for it.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on January 29, 2008, 07:56:42 pm
i love the idea but i doubt it will happen, but you never know what christy will do as far as bringing jesse back to live with her after she sees how severely adam attacked tim.  but she could also understan that he did it because he loves mercy ;)
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Has on February 01, 2008, 06:00:21 am
but she could also understan that he did it because he loves mercy ;)

But I can see her doing that for that very reason Keirsten. Also another thing is that Adam's wolf is mated to Mercy as well, which never really happened with Christy- could that be another factor, like all the different aspects of Adam didnt accept her because she couldnt fully accept him or was it the other way round? And does she resents him because of that?
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: jenglows on April 24, 2008, 05:49:56 pm
 this is a little off the current topic, but  I'm not sure where else to put it.
So, I've been mulling over the Christy/Adam info from the last chat- that is limited info- and my mind is filling in gaps all on it's own ;)   I think that my opinion of Adam is going to take a few hits if he was falling in love with Mercy while he was still married.  Maybe Christy was just a bit jumpy and jealous, but I guess it turned out that she had some sort of intuition about what was going on?  As mother, I'm totally abhorred by Christy's behavior with Jesse. But as a wife I'm starting to feel some sympathy for her.  I can't imagine how irritable I'd be if I had a 50+ hubby that was lusting after a cute mid-20's neighbor.  Anyone else thinking about this?

EDIT: moving this to the Adam's Marriage thread, though it does have some overlap with the Adam and Mercy thread. - charmed, books co-mod
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Goddess of the Night on April 24, 2008, 07:04:54 pm
I am not sure if I view it as Adam falling in love with Mercy while he was married. I think his human half fell OUT of love with Christy while the wolf half was starting to veiw Mercy as a mate. Don't forget there are two set's of instincts, human and wolf. I don't think you should look badly on Adam because his wolf was attracted. Remember wolfs mate for life so the wolf never looked at Christy as it's mate so IT wasn't being disloyal. Adam didn't cheat or make any moves on Mercy until well after the divorce so the human part (with his strong sense of ethics) didn't let the wolf win.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Zealith on April 24, 2008, 07:44:48 pm
It is human nature to fall in and out of love over time. I respect the fact he didn't even begin to act on it until some time after the devorse.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: jenniwee on April 24, 2008, 09:38:35 pm
I'm not sure that we have enough info to make too many judgement calls on this one.

I agree with glow that there is such a thing as emotional betrayal, but I also understand the attraction of something "nice" when you're in the middle of a nasty relationship.  In addition, I agree with Zealith that Adam does deserve some respect for not acting on that attraction either during his marriage, or for some time after it ended.  I think Adam would probably view the two as fairly mutually exclusive, just because he liked Mercy or found her attractive did not mean he had to act on it, while the marriage with Christy was dissolving due to issues that only concerned the two of them.  Mercy mentions in MC that she and Adam don't have a particularly close relationship (I'll find the reference if you want), so avoidance may have been part of Adam's attempt to keep that attraction under control.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Has on April 25, 2008, 09:15:35 am
And from the sounds of things - I think the move to the Tri-cities wasnt helping probably an already crumbling marriage. The miscarriages which she blamed on Adam and pack business was as much to blame to the breakup as well.

Christy couldn't handle being a werewolf's wife let alone an Alpha's so add to the fact that his wolf didn't like her and his growing connection to Mercy and her insecurities and bitterness she would have used this to lash out at him.And if Mercy was not in the picture - the marriage would have broken up eventually but perhaps it would have been later rather than sooner.

Also another factor- Adam mentioned he was reluctant to get involved with another woman especially  one who affects his control like Mercy does. So that would have been a factor because as a control freak and a guy who likes order and just got out of a bad marriage no wonder he would have been reluctant to start another relationship to someone who could potentially be disruptive to his control.

I also find it interesting that although his wolf has chosen her as a mate- I think in a chat, Patty stated that Adam chose Mercy before the wolf - so perhaps Christy picked up that he had a growing attraction to Mercy but Adam may not be conscious of his feelings for her. Although I bet she would have used it to make him feel guilty and to use it as ammunition despite the fact that he didnt consciously cheat or acted on his feelings.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Lightning on April 25, 2008, 03:54:14 pm
yo i think remember reading A&O that when a were marries a human it takes a while for the wolf to accept them as a mate. as well as sometimes the wolf choosing the mate before were like with Charles and Anna as well as with Bran and Leah. so maybe thats what happened with Adam and eventually Adam fell for just like the wolf would in other human/were relationships/marrage.

also what if Adam's ex Christy just wants cusitity of Jennie just to get back at Adam. it's been said she's immature and emotionaly unstable i think.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Gerd D. on April 26, 2008, 05:37:23 am
I think in a chat, Patty stated that Adam chose Mercy before the wolf
Quite frankly it would make me wonder about Adam's Wolf if it had been the other way around, while Coyotes can mate with Wolves it is mentioned that naturally Wolves and Coyotes don't go along.
And it would be a strange concept for any animal to mate cross species, wouldn't it?


also what if Adam's ex Christy just wants cusitity of Jennie just to get back at Adam. it's been said she's immature and emotionaly unstable i think.
Which, I believe, was the main reason to begin with for her to want custody over Jessie. She doesn't seem to care to much for her, probably didn't see her as much as her daughter as she sees her as his daughter, a convenient way to get back at him.
Seen in that light, one almost expects her to make a move now that Adam came out (a move that does affect her as well, being his ex, so one more reason to strike out at him). And no matter how emotionally instable, she did gain a advantage if there should be a renewed fight over custody for no human court can grant a werewolf care over a child with good conscience; she might not be able to get Jessie back but she certainly could might it hard for Adam to keep her, too.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Has on April 26, 2008, 10:13:52 am
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Seen in that light, one almost expects her to make a move now that Adam came out (a move that does affect her as well, being his ex, so one more reason to strike out at him). And no matter how emotionally instable, she did gain a advantage if there should be a renewed fight over custody for no human court can grant a werewolf care over a child with good conscience; she might not be able to get Jessie back but she certainly could might it hard for Adam to keep her, too.

Another thing to factor  is that Christy will feel that her suspicions and feelings towards Adam and Mercy were right and she will definitely do that or if that was impossible she would become more vindictive and disruptive in other ways.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: jenniwee on April 26, 2008, 12:39:05 pm
I agree that Christy would probably try to use the werewolf thing to get Jessie back.  Esp. if she learns about Jessie getting beaten up because of Adam.

However, there are two things that would make this situation very interesting:

1)  Jessie may not stand for it.  She wants to live with her father and precipitated the custody transfer in MC so she could.  If her mom takes it to court, I can't imagine her not standing up to bad mouth her mother there.  Plus, at 16, her opinion holds more sway with a judge than that of a younger child.

2)  I can't imagine Bran not becoming involved.  Considering the fact that case law determines so much in the judicial system, Bran would surely step in to prevent the passage of a judgement that could separate weres from their children as a matter of course during a divorce.  And if I were Christy, i would not position myself in opposition to Bran.  But I get the feeling that she might not be very bright when it comes to dealing with weres.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Patti L. on April 26, 2008, 12:57:42 pm
I agree that Christy would probably try to use the werewolf thing to get Jessie back.  Esp. if she learns about Jessie getting beaten up because of Adam.

However, there are two things that would make this situation very interesting:

1)  Jessie may not stand for it.  She wants to live with her father and precipitated the custody transfer in MC so she could.  If her mom takes it to court, I can't imagine her not standing up to bad mouth her mother there.  Plus, at 16, her opinion holds more sway with a judge than that of a younger child.

2)  I can't imagine Bran not becoming involved.  Considering the fact that case law determines so much in the judicial system, Bran would surely step in to prevent the passage of a judgement that could separate weres from their children as a matter of course during a divorce.  And if I were Christy, i would not position myself in opposition to Bran.  But I get the feeling that she might not be very bright when it comes to dealing with weres.
I so much agree with you about her lack of understanding of weres, Jenniwee!
I think that the question I come up with is whether Washington (my home state, & I don't know) has an 'emancipated minor' option like I've seen used in some shows taking place in New York.  If so, I can see Jessie deciding to sidestep the whole thing by declaring herself as such, & moving out on both parents in an effort to cut the scuffling down. 
I don't know if it would work, if her mom is ramped up (egged on by Lauren Society types, perhaps?) to push things, but it would theoretically get any question of whether she was safe with her father off the table.  "Look, I'm not *with* my father, stop bringing up the irrelevant fact that he's a werewolf.  You might consider that I'm *also* not *with* my mother, who took off to Italy with a boyfriend, leaving me completely unprotected.  And who ignored my being groped by more than one of her boyfriends.  How many girlfriends has my dad had in the same time?      Yeah.  Just shut up."
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Gerd D. on April 26, 2008, 03:05:46 pm
I can't imagine Bran not becoming involved.  Considering the fact that case law determines so much in the judicial system, Bran would surely step in to prevent the passage of a judgement that could separate weres from their children as a matter of course during a divorce.
Interesting point there, didn't think about the possible weight early court cases against weres could gain.


I think that the question I come up with is whether Washington (my home state, & I don't know) has an 'emancipated minor' option like I've seen used in some shows taking place in New York.  If so, I can see Jessie deciding to sidestep the whole thing by declaring herself as such, & moving out on both parents in an effort to cut the scuffling down.
Good question, far as I know you still have 21 as legal age in the US so I wonder if she at age 16 would be legaly allowed to live on her own.

Edit:
Okay I looked it up, it's in the Revised Code of Washington (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx):
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RCW 13.64.010
Declaration of emancipation. 

Any minor who is sixteen years of age or older and who is a resident of this state may petition in the superior court for a declaration of emancipation.


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She actually could go that way, good calling Patti.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Patti L. on April 26, 2008, 03:18:17 pm
Unfortunately, Gerd, it's not that simple.  Different states (divisions of the US) have different laws about what you can do when.  Driving is legal at 16 in most states, but I understand New York, at least in the city, won't allow it.  Voting & military service are legal at 18, but drinking alcohol is illegal until 21.  I just recently read a long debate about the cult in Texas.  The law was only changed there a couple of years ago to raise the -parent approved- age of marriage from fourteen to 16.
And there are those 'emancipated minor' things.  This was visible as far back as the movie "Irreconcilable Differences", with Ryan O'neal.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Rob on April 26, 2008, 03:35:40 pm
I believe one of the requirements for being emancipated is that you be able to provide a living for yourself (job, residence, and neccesities).  She would be allowed to live on her, if she was able to provide for herself.  She would only be emancipated if she could provide for herself.  As for drinking and driving,she wouldn't be allowed to do those until she reached te legal age.  The courts don't consider those important to providing a living for one's self.  There is always public transportation or other means that adults make use of.  The only age-liimited things that would be bypassed by her emancipation would be things like taxes and being able to sign legally binding documents without a guardian or parent's signature and being responsible for that signature.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Patti L. on April 26, 2008, 03:53:49 pm
And it would be simple enough for Adam, who's well off, to settle a trust on her that would allow her to get by, with only the need to have a part time job for extras like hair dye, parties, buying her own car in a couple of years, and the like.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Gerd D. on April 27, 2008, 03:23:49 am
I just recently read a long debate about the cult in Texas. The law was only changed there a couple of years ago to raise the -parent approved- age of marriage from fourteen to 16.
Damn, for a nation that is so quick to lecture others about democratic values America is often incredible backwards. :o


As for drinking and driving,she wouldn't be allowed to do those until she reached te legal age. The courts don't consider those important to providing a living for one's self.
Well most states don't allow you to drink and drive even if you are grown-up. *jk*

They do have a point with the drinking, not much maturity to be found in that ... however, the driving issue can become a trouble, afterall you would need to find a room and a job that can be reached by public transport within a reasonable timeframe, that's not always easy.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Snoopy on April 27, 2008, 07:28:56 am

Maybe I missed this in an earlier post, but I thought the age for getting a driver's licence was 16 in most states, (but maybe not in Washington?). So if Jessie could live by herself at the age of 16, she could by then also drive, and like Patti said, Adam's well enough off to get her a car and somewhere to live.

I also think that in case it came to court, Jessie would stand up for her dad, who cares for her far better than Christy, despite being a werewolf and an Alpha. Jessie is a first-hand witness to Christy's incapability of taking care of her properly (leaving here alone to go on holiday, and the thing with Christy's boyfriend - though I can't imagine that even Christy would have allowed it if she knew, but I don't remember the details, have to look it up again).

And I agree with what Jenniwee said, that it would be a bad precedent case for the werewolves' future, if Christy got custody just because Adam is a werewolf!! Although I'm not sure what Bran (or any werewolf) could do about it...
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Patti L. on April 27, 2008, 01:47:07 pm
16 is legal in Washington.  And actually, "cares for her far better than Christy, despite being a werewolf and an Alpha." is bass-akward, in my opinion. 
*pulls up her soap box.*
Parents are - if they are responsible parents, unlike Christy - control freaks by definition.  That means that being a werewolf means, to me, being a natural parent.  And being an Alpha?  uber-parent. 
Except, of course, you get into that thing where you have to - not stop, there's no stopping being a parent - back off.
Lois McMasters Bujold said it in Barrayar:  "When my father was home on leave one time from the Betan Astronomical Survey, we made model gliders together.  Two things were required to get them to fly.  First we had to give them a running start.  Then we had to let them go."  She sighed.  "Learning just when to let go was the hardest part."
This is the part the werewolf -particualrly the Alpha- will have trouble with.
*steps off soapbox & offers it to next comer.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Snoopy on April 27, 2008, 02:12:09 pm
16 is legal in Washington.  And actually, "cares for her far better than Christy, despite being a werewolf and an Alpha." is bass-akward, in my opinion. 
Patti, with bass-awkward you mean it should be because instead of despite? Sorry, I'm just not familiar with that expression, but that's what I deducted from what you wrote after that...
I said despite because I believe humans (if it came to a court case) would only see the monster and not the good parental qualities - which you pointed out and which I totally agree with - that being a werewolf and alpha would 'endow' one with.

"Learning just when to let go was the hardest part."
This is the part the werewolf -particualrly the Alpha- will have trouble with.
I agree with this as well. Letting go, trusting your child (which, I think, parents always see as their babies, even when they have kids of their own) to take care of itself, wanting to protect it from disappointments and hurt - I imagine that to be one of the hardest things ever, especially for an uber-control-freak. But I also think that Jessie is smart and spunky enough to 'get out of Adam's clutches', so to speak (like most people eventually manage it). Especially with Mercy there to help her now...   ::) :D
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Patti L. on April 27, 2008, 02:22:22 pm
16 is legal in Washington.  And actually, "cares for her far better than Christy, despite being a werewolf and an Alpha." is bass-akward, in my opinion. 
Patti, with bass-awkward you mean it should be because instead of despite? Sorry, I'm just not familiar with that expression, but that's what I deducted from what you wrote after that...
I said despite because I believe humans (if it came to a court case) would only see the monster and not the good parental qualities - which you pointed out and which I totally agree with - that being a werewolf and alpha would 'endow' one with.
I thought that was what you meant; we, readers who are on the side of the were-wolves, see the positive side of it, but the frightened people, the Lauren Society types, for instance, would see 'monster' and stop there, not thinking it through.

And here's where I go all Libra again. 
Everyone who was ever born, is someone's child - 2 'someones', in fact, although it's possible that 1 parent won't know/acknowldege/care.  So, to some extent, yes, a protective werewolf would be a nightmare monster, if *you* are a parent of someone a werewolf comes after.  Even if it's because your "baby" threatened/hurt/killed *their* baby.  This is part of where wars come from.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Snoopy on April 27, 2008, 02:37:40 pm

Hm, you're right, never thought about it that way. I remember watching some movie or reading a book where someone was seeking revenge for another man killing his son, and somebody told him something like
'so you kill this guy, who murdered your son, you have your revenge. But what about this guys family? What about his father? This guy has a father, just like you are a father. He might even be a father. And a brother. And a husband.'

Argh, it's killing me that I can't remember the name, let alone if it was a movie or book...

And considering that not all werewolves have Adam's excellent control (which is actually not so excellent when it comes to Jessie, as we saw in IK, and as is the point here) this is indeed an interesting thought...
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Patti L. on April 27, 2008, 02:41:42 pm
What you keep me around for. . .
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Snoopy on April 27, 2008, 03:20:53 pm


It's a job well done.
 ;)
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Has on April 28, 2008, 11:18:17 am
And considering that not all werewolves have Adam's excellent control (which is actually not so excellent when it comes to Jessie, as we saw in IK, and as is the point here) this is indeed an interesting thought...

I think that is the weak point which The John Lauren Society types will use against Adam to try to prove their point that the supernatural beings are dangerous. I think the Mercy's attack was a good example of that - I agree that Christy will ally herself with that group because its a way to hit back against Adam and also a way for her to be vindicated about her views of their marriage especially now that Mercy is with him. That is going to be a huge kick in the teeth for her I think.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: bookaholic219 on June 06, 2008, 07:30:23 am
Yeah whats up with (christy, charity i cant remember)her? i mean we know that she lives in the middle of nowhere tried to get married in vegas a coupple of times and had mental issues but what else do we know maybe we will find out in bone crossed it is a classic twist that should never be forgotten in these kind of books.
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: bookaholic219 on June 20, 2008, 06:41:21 pm
i also think that see could end up to be like leah, a person who dislikes mercy for jealousy reasons, but can never do anything about it without huge consequences
okay im having a crazy idea moment but what if leah or honey or the other women use a surrogate(spcheck) i mean it would work wouldnt it no monthly changes for the other lady so it mightbe to term. what do you think?
Title: Re: Adam/Christy Marriage & Divorce
Post by: Patti L. on June 20, 2008, 08:15:18 pm
This is discussed in a couple of other threads, bookaholic.  I'm not good at linking them, though.