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Title: Asil and Sage
Post by: Omega 303 on March 14, 2009, 03:14:52 pm
I've really enjoy all of Patricia Brigg's books but I'm really interested In how Asil will turn out since he has gotten over the witches influnences. I got the feeling in cw that Asil and Sage really have a thing for each other he just wasn't over Sarai yet. I do see potential in it becoming a relationship.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: caerali on March 15, 2009, 06:30:21 pm
I really like Asil as well and hope to see more of him.  He's bored, and it makes him naughty, I love it.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: alan on March 16, 2009, 12:41:03 pm
I really like Asil as well and hope to see more of him.  He's bored, and it makes him naughty, I love it.

Lol.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Omega 303 on March 16, 2009, 01:26:05 pm
I really don't think he's bored I think he's hurting, depressed, and suicidal. But I do feel sympathy for him being tied to a black witch can't be easy on anyone. And on top of that there's having to submit to Charles who is centuries younger than him and with Charles now having Anna someone who reminds him of his Sarai that's really taken it's toll. I'm just happy that now the witch is out of his life he can start the healing process and I really believe Sage will play a big part in that.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: caerali on March 16, 2009, 04:42:57 pm
He is. . . and I didn't mean to downplay the pain he feels for losing his mate.  But on rare moments -- when he's not thinking of her, he teases others.  Bringing flowers to Anna knowing it would enrage Charles and when Charles later went to visit Asil at his home -- he deliberately didn't answer the door when he arrived.  He took the time to take a shower before joining Charles on the porch.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Avarel on March 20, 2009, 08:42:16 pm
I don't know... I kinda want to see what life is like in a pack for a typical unmated female.
The only female wolves we really meet are mated. Or Mary Jo wasn't, but we don't really get to meet her.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Patti L. on March 20, 2009, 08:54:14 pm
I'm not sure there is such a thing as a "typical unmated female", myself.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Avarel on March 20, 2009, 08:57:46 pm
now that you mention it... you are probably right. :(
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Patti L. on March 20, 2009, 09:02:02 pm
Annoying, aren't I?
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: charmed on March 20, 2009, 09:03:25 pm
And off topic too :D
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Avarel on March 20, 2009, 09:05:22 pm
You poke holes in my theory.

still, we could see what life was like for one unmated female. it's easier to extrapolate when you have more than one data point, but when you don't even have one you are on very shaky ground.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: charmed on March 20, 2009, 09:06:31 pm
Hmmm I thought this thread was about Asil and Sage, not unmated females.   ??? ???
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Zealith on March 20, 2009, 09:08:11 pm
Sage is unmated at this point. So, still a little on topic.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: charmed on March 20, 2009, 09:10:02 pm
Only if the discussion was about Sage as an unmated female :)
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Avarel on March 20, 2009, 09:12:09 pm
but it was.
I was thinking on why everybody wanted to pair up sage with somebody. she is one of the only unmated females we know. the only one we've really met.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Zealith on March 20, 2009, 09:14:16 pm
I agree, I'd like to see her acting single for a while.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: charmed on March 20, 2009, 09:16:15 pm
I agree, I'd like to see her acting single for a while.

So would I. Characters, and real people, don't need to be paired up to have a life, but I would also like to see more of Asil and Sage's relationship, whatever form that is.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Patti L. on March 20, 2009, 09:17:32 pm
I wonder myself if she thinks of Asil romantically.  Or more as elderly uncle.  I didn't get a 'I WANT him!' vibe from her.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Avarel on March 20, 2009, 09:18:51 pm
or from him. an "I want her vibe" I mean.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Zealith on March 20, 2009, 09:19:05 pm
Same here Patti, it is possible to be friends with a guy without being romantically involved.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: charmed on March 20, 2009, 09:20:02 pm
Exactly!!!

I'd also like to know more of Sage's background, we didn't get much in Cry Wolf.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Avarel on March 20, 2009, 09:22:11 pm
she was 'brutalized' I think. and everybody knows about it.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: charmed on March 20, 2009, 09:23:37 pm
Well, yes, but there must be more to her. I'd like to knwo it.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Patti L. on March 20, 2009, 09:28:14 pm
Those looks.  How old is she?  No mention of that.  And her fashion sense.  Is she a former moldel?  Designer?  Don't know why that popped into my head.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: charmed on March 20, 2009, 09:29:41 pm
Sage as a model had occurred to me too,and where does she get her money? Does she work, have investments, savings, what?
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Avarel on March 20, 2009, 09:34:12 pm
she knows something about plants. she was able to help Asil with his roses without instruction.

or maybe Asil just taught her... drat.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Patti L. on March 20, 2009, 09:41:36 pm
'Nother thing to remember;  tastes in looks change.  She looks like a fashion model according to current tastes, but if she's 50 or over, she could have been considered plain or odd looking in her earlier life.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Talyn on March 20, 2009, 09:46:31 pm
I get the impression their relationship is more friendly then romantic. I also get the feeling that Bran probably asked Sage to keep a eye on Asil. Try and cheer him up, whether he was playing matchmaker is yet to be seen from my perspective.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Omega 303 on March 21, 2009, 04:39:33 am
Naw I think Asil really has a thing for Sage he has admitted to himself that she is a very attractive female but it had seem to me the only reason he didn't hit on her was because he was still greiving for Sarai. And I think she probally was instructed to keep an eye on Asil but became interested in him. Did you see how she reacted at the end of CW when Asil told Bran he would be expecting his visit in a couple of days she really started to freak so I think her feelings go a little deeper than friends. Plus I think her and Asil can relate on so many levels and they put up with each other.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Patti L. on March 21, 2009, 07:50:37 am
There are possibilities, romantically, now.  That's true.  I think another reason they weren't chasing each other around earlier is that Asil more or less expected to die (remember he kept asking Bran to kill him), and he didn't want to put Sage through losing a mate.  Now that the REASON he felt sick/crazy is gone (Mariposa), he might very well start courting her in earnest.  I wonder a bit, given the way some of the other male and dominant wolves affect the human sides of them, that Asil's wolf wasn't pushier about that before.  Unless it felt that remnant of Sarai as still being mated?
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: ArtAngel on March 21, 2009, 08:40:01 am
I think that both the human and wolf part  of Asil wanted to die. Since the mate bond still existed yet his wife was dead he had no way to heal after her death. And that many years (?how many again?) of severe emotional pain is definitely not a good thing for either half of him.

I think he will now go through his grieving period, then think aobut courting Sage.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Omega 303 on March 21, 2009, 11:14:53 am
Quote
I wonder a bit, given the way some of the other male and dominant wolves affect the human sides of them, that Asil's wolf wasn't pushier about that before.  Unless it felt that remnant of Sarai as still being mated?

I think your right about that, I think Asil's wolf knew it was still mated or else after 200+ years it would have indeed found another mate by then. I think because Asil's mate bond gift was empathy his wolf felt his mate and knew she was not gone. Remember It was Sarai's human form and spirit that was gone not the wolf's so even though Asil knew his Sarai was gone his wolf knew that her wolf was not. I hope that's making sense.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: kas913 on March 21, 2009, 12:24:57 pm
This is a really interesting theory.  I never even considered the 2 of them as anything other than friends, but who knows!  What I would like to see though is more of what Sage's role is in the community.  We know that she's single, she dominant, and she has the trust of both Bran and Charles.  But there are so many mysteries about her!  Like when Charles let her call him Charlie and stated that she is the only wolf who can get away with that.  Why?  Also, how does an unmated, dominant werewolf fit into the pack?  Where is she in the pecking order if she is supposed to take her "rank" based off of her mate?  I've wondered that with Mary Joe too. 
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: ArtAngel on March 21, 2009, 08:08:26 pm
For the Charlie vs Charles thing I had thought that was more personality based. You knowhow some people can say anything without offense as long as they smile when they say it? Saomething like that.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: alan on March 24, 2009, 01:00:27 pm
You knowhow some people can say anything without offense as long as they smile when they say it?

Yeah i've never been able to do that and neither has anyone else i've known, it must be like a werewolf thing.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: ArtAngel on March 25, 2009, 08:27:13 am
You knowhow some people can say anything without offense as long as they smile when they say it?

Yeah i've never been able to do that and neither has anyone else i've known, it must be like a werewolf thing.

 ;D Some people are just super people persons and few people can dislike them or be mad at them for long.  They have a way with words.It happens.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: mimi on April 05, 2009, 01:26:22 pm
I got the impression that Asil could be romantically interested in Sage; I think we know that he considers her attractive.  It's been a while since I read CW, but I remember thinking at the time that there might be something there.  Sage obviously cares about Asil, but it remains to be seen whether it's as a favorite Uncle, or something romantic.

As far as Sage's place in the pack, I thought it was very interesting that she seems to be kind of the "go-to" wolf.  Sent to keep an eye on Asil (maybe?), then sent to keep Anna company/take care of her after the funeral.  She's got Bran's and Charles' respect at least.  How did she get it?  What's her background?  I hope we do see more of her in the subsequent books.  Knowing exactly what her place is and how she got there would be interesting indeed.

Too bad we have to wait a while for the next book!
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: charmed on April 05, 2009, 01:30:28 pm

As far as Sage's place in the pack, I thought it was very interesting that she seems to be kind of the "go-to" wolf.  Sent to keep an eye on Asil (maybe?), then sent to keep Anna company/take care of her after the funeral.  She's got Bran's and Charles' respect at least.  How did she get it?  What's her background?  I hope we do see more of her in the subsequent books.  Knowing exactly what her place is and how she got there would be interesting indeed.

Too bad we have to wait a while for the next book!

I had noticed that too mimi. I would also love to know more of her backgroudn and how she got their respect. After all, she is an unmated female so therefore low in the pack structure. Though Bran and Charles seem willing to overlook little details like that at times.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Patti L. on April 05, 2009, 01:31:56 pm
I'm thinking she has some money/power of her own, from the 'human' world.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: charmed on April 05, 2009, 04:12:06 pm
Money, sure, but what power in the human world woudl also translate into power in the pack?
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Patti L. on April 05, 2009, 05:16:52 pm
Child/grandchild of a former president/royalty/dictator?
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Avarel on April 06, 2009, 09:30:15 pm
how can you be former royalty?
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Patti L. on April 06, 2009, 09:32:01 pm
Abdicated or tossed out.  Or pushed the country over to some form of democracy.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Avarel on April 06, 2009, 09:36:23 pm
but aren't they still royalty, even if they don't have a country?
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Patti L. on April 06, 2009, 09:43:38 pm
You got me; that's a technical question for someone with more book larnin' than I done got.  Also, if the country ceased to exist; are you still royalty then?  Or if you're the ex-spouse of royalty, like Fergie?
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Elle on April 07, 2009, 07:49:07 pm
Wow. That veered off pretty quickly didn't it? :D
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Patti L. on April 07, 2009, 08:06:52 pm
Sorry.  I was speculating on whether Sage has any basis for power/wealth outside the Werewolf world and it got out of hand.  I also wonder what Asil does for income these days, or if he does anything.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Zealith on April 07, 2009, 08:18:36 pm
Roses do sell for a decent price, maybe he sells them?
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Patti L. on April 07, 2009, 08:24:11 pm
Bushes? Perhaps.  I didn't get the impression he grew enough for that, but I don't know enough about the business to tell.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Zealith on April 07, 2009, 08:49:09 pm
I kind of imagined a fairly large greenhouse for him to grow them in. But I guess we don't have enough to guess. He's old though, maybe he just has plenty saved up? Plus Charles is some kind of financial genius, right? Maybe Charles manages Asil's money for him. Investments and such.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Patti L. on April 07, 2009, 08:51:40 pm
Likely.  Who's he got for heirs, after all?  The pack.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: ArtAngel on April 07, 2009, 10:06:43 pm
I wish Charles can take care of my money for me :D

I can see Sage having some influence in the outside world, she is used to being trusted with duties that can be abused. Like welcoming Anna and helping Asil. Either of those situations could have been manipulated easily into a power trip for her. But she didn't.

As for Asil, he has been alive for so long that he probably has a lot of cash saved up so even if the roses were not paying much he would still putter with them since making money is not an issue.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Omega 303 on April 14, 2009, 01:33:07 pm
Even though Sage is an unmated female and is low in the pack structure I don't think she's weak by any standard I think she earns her respect by her power. Like when Anna first meet Sage she thought that Sage was more dominate than Leah and maybe she is It's just that Leah is mated to Bran and she has his power flowing through her. So I take it that Sage get her respect from her strength being that she is a unmated female with no mate to draw her strength from.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: alan on April 14, 2009, 01:36:22 pm
And if she has all that respect and power now having her with Asil will make it grow.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Omega 303 on April 14, 2009, 04:26:22 pm
And if she has all that respect and power now having her with Asil will make it grow.

Yeah I think so too. But one question where exactly is Asil ranked in the pack I know in CW that it said that he had to submit to Bran because he was his Alpha and Bran is much older, an he had to submit to Charles because he was more dominate. They're to only two people in the book that are actually mentioned to be more dominate so where does Asil fit in the pack?
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: ladylynx on April 14, 2009, 04:54:07 pm
I would say next to Charles. Asil isn't a person to be mess with. He has reputation as bad as the Marrok himself.

As for Sage I think she is one of the most trusted in the pack. She's also the only one next to Anna who can pick on Charles and not worry about him snapping at her.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: CarolKat on April 14, 2009, 05:07:12 pm
Bran's pack is comprised of some wolves that cannot make it in the here and now of another pack and some that have chosen/requested to move there for other reasons.  Asil was running and since he obviously knew Bran he came to Aspen Creek to die as he repeatedly requested from Bran while he may have been dominant where he was he doesn't have the same in Bran's pack. Sage was running from the brutilization of her Alpha and undoubtedly gained strength/status from the experience since she must have called Bran to relocate to his pack.
She obviously can identify with Anna's treatment by Leo.  Aspen Creek appears to be a refuge for some and just home for others.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Omega 303 on April 15, 2009, 12:53:19 am
Bran's pack is comprised of some wolves that cannot make it in the here and now of another pack and some that have chosen/requested to move there for other reasons.  Asil was running and since he obviously knew Bran he came to Aspen Creek to die as he repeatedly requested from Bran while he may have been dominant where he was he doesn't have the same in Bran's pack.


Yes I know but Asil had joined the pack which would have given him a rank and if he was not happy about Charles being more dominant than I'm not sure if he would be to happy being submissive to others wolves who are not stronger or older. And only an Omega is outside if the pack structure and we know he is not a lone wolf.

I would say next to Charles. Asil isn't a person to be mess with. He has reputation as bad as the Marrok himself.

As for Sage I think she is one of the most trusted in the pack. She's also the only one next to Anna who can pick on Charles and not worry about him snapping at her.


Naw Sam is next to Charles, Well that was before he became a lone wolf himself but then Adam would be next and theirs someone else is after Adam not Asil so it still leaves me wondering. But I would think he would be next to Charles also.

Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: berryblu on April 15, 2009, 02:03:46 am
Well, I was remembering the mention of how older, very dominant wolves joined packs and just lived under the rule of their alpha without showing their power, even if they could have ruled.  They obviously would have had to be ranked under many wolves less dominant than themselves.  I would think that that is exactly how Asil deals with it.  I didn't get any impression that Asil had a high rank in the Marrok's pack, no matter his actual dominance.  I kinda think he kept himself aside as much as possible and the others left him be - not exactly outside the pack, but not inside, either.   :-\
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: CarolKat on April 15, 2009, 04:22:53 pm
Well, I was remembering the mention of how older, very dominant wolves joined packs and just lived under the rule of their alpha without showing their power, even if they could have ruled.    :-\
I think that may be Asil's case , he doesn't wan't to be dominant but he is, he is still hiding.  I get the impression he doesn't want more power he just wants to be as normal as he can be.  I think he can be that with Sage.  Charles is more dominant than him and he just likes to torment him.  It's a way to amuse himself and wait to die.. but now that the witch isn't following him anymore we'll just have to see what happens.  I think we can assume that Bran the "beserker" is way more dominant and his offspring are as well.  Asil will find his place now and I hope it includes Sage.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Omega 303 on April 19, 2009, 11:35:57 am
Well, I was remembering the mention of how older, very dominant wolves joined packs and just lived under the rule of their alpha without showing their power, even if they could have ruled.

Your right some older wolves are pretty good at concealing what they are from other, that the main reason most alphas don't like old wolves moving into their pack. But Asil doesn't want to be an alpha. I think he doesn't want the responsibility of being a pack leader. The reason he didn't mind having an alpha is because he really wasn't submitting because he was more dominant. But in the cause with Bran he has to submit because Bran is older, But knowing that Charles is more dominant and he has to obey him when he is so much younger and not even an alpha really gets to him. Maybe the reason he doesn't have a rank in the pack is because he was unstable and had a death wish. We all know he wasn't submissive it's just the point of finding out how dominant he really is.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Patti L. on April 19, 2009, 12:28:33 pm
Um, age does not equal dominance.  Warren is the same age, approximately, as Peter, the submissive wolf married to Honey.  He chose to be 3rd in Adam's pack, and allows Darryl to be second, even though he's both physically stronger/better at fighting, and more dominant. 
Asil is peeved that Charles really, although only about 200 years old, is more dominant than he is.

Sage might, conceivably (and this just occurred to me) be willing, if Asil now wants to take a place in the pack properly, and settle his rank, marry him if she feels it gives her the rank to keep some of the BS out of her life.

In fact, now that Asil doesn't have Mariposa and her mess affecting him, he might strike out elsewhere and become an alpha.  And if Sage wanted to, she could become his mate, and premier in that pack, among females.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Zealith on April 19, 2009, 01:51:50 pm
I like that idea. Though Asil stated that he couldn't imagine how Bran didn't get bored with being an alpha.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Patti L. on April 19, 2009, 01:54:11 pm
True, although that may change with their coming out.  Suddenly there are new issues, new questions and priorities, new dangers.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Zealith on April 19, 2009, 02:16:13 pm
Of course. Dealing with that could be interesting enough for him.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Omega 303 on April 19, 2009, 02:27:09 pm
True but I think it's up to the wolves if they want to come out or not, Adam and a few others choose to come out and I don't think the Marrok will make all of them come out, maybe he'll give them the choice. I don't think he'll force them like the fae leaders forced all the fae to.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: CarolKat on April 19, 2009, 03:51:38 pm
Asil is a dominant but not as much as Bran or his children or some Alphas.  I don't think he wants to be an Alpha he wants retirement with some amusement hence the tormenting of Charles.  When Bran went "beserker" Sam was with him but Asil knew all about it and followed Bran when it happened again. Didn't anyone think that was strange? He was hiding much like Warren 3rd not 2nd.  I hope Asil and Sage get together but I don't think Asil will stop the hiding just like Warren for him it's too much responsibility at this point in his life.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Omega 303 on April 19, 2009, 04:32:10 pm
  When Bran went "beserker" Sam was with him but Asil knew all about it and followed Bran when it happened again. Didn't anyone think that was strange?

No it's not strange at all Bran is the Marrok and is over all the wolves in North America. When Mariposa caught Bran before she could take control over him he thinned out the pack bond til he could barely feel them, which would have made it harder for Mariposa to find them and control through the pack bond. Plus if he went mad he wouldn't take the whole pack with him immediately. He had tried to cut Asil off but he couldn't because of mate bond he shared with Sarai's wolf and Mariposa and because of the mate bond Mariposa could tap into the pack bond that's why Bran constricted it, but he could not do anything about Asil's bond to the pack that's why Asil went mad immediately after Bran and the rest of the pack didn't.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: ladylynx on April 19, 2009, 07:19:16 pm
I think Sage likes Asil as well. I think she enjoys his company and such. Also who else do you think she would had let put their arm around her shoulder considering what had been done to her?

We might not know everything about Sage, but I think she trust Asil.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Zealith on April 19, 2009, 07:20:55 pm
I don't remember anything specific revieled about Sage's path and I don't have time to reread the book looking for that. Could you enlighten me as to what happened to her in the past?
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Patti L. on April 19, 2009, 07:35:30 pm
She was undoubtedly raped somewhere down the line; likely bruatlized.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Zealith on April 19, 2009, 07:39:40 pm
Thank you. *nods*
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Omega 303 on April 19, 2009, 08:16:35 pm
Asil responds to Sage on many levels and he mostly like that fact that he can be himself around her and don't have to worry about offending her with some of the offhanded comments he makes. Like when they where in is green house he didn't have to put on a front for her and she accepted the mood and didn't take offence to the crazy comment he made about not jumping at the chance for Bran to kill him.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: alan on April 20, 2009, 11:57:31 am
She was undoubtedly raped somewhere down the line; likely bruatlized.

Probably why she's so easy going with Anna, sort of a been there done that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Omega 303 on May 28, 2009, 12:25:44 pm
I think she liked Anna from the beginning, she didn't know much about Anna's life until they actually met a Charles's house. I think she liked the way Anna stood up for herself at church with Asil and then again with Leah. Maybe Anna reminds Sage of herself because she does let Asil and Leah get to her either.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: cavaliergirl on June 15, 2009, 04:40:57 pm
Sage might, conceivably (and this just occurred to me) be willing, if Asil now wants to take a place in the pack properly, and settle his rank, marry him if she feels it gives her the rank to keep some of the BS out of her life.

In CW, Charles tell Anna that even if she meant nothing to him, he would never have allowed her to be treated the way that she had been.  The Marrok never abused Mercy, stood up for Anna with George (when she was moving from her apartment and A&O) and gave Sage sanctuary.

I doubt Sage has much BS in her life these days.  Bran and Charles wouldn't allow it.  Maybe she's not given enough status, being a female, to be able to order other wolves around, but I don't think they're allowed to tease or torment her. 

Asil also seems to be a gentleman.  He was very concerned about Anna once he realized how much she had been abused.  I think he would be very cautious around and protective of Sage, knowing her past. 

I'd like to see them get together.  I certainly think men and women can be friends without anything romantic going on, but I don't usually walk into my guy friend's houses without knocking or drive their cars around or casually touch them.  I think there's a little something there, and now that Asil doesn't have a mate bond anymore, he'll be free to explore that. 
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Patti L. on June 16, 2009, 02:37:21 pm
Except from Leah...
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Ellyll on June 17, 2009, 04:55:34 am
Yeah, but being mated to Asil wouldn't help that, any more than Sage's being more dominant than Leah helps it now.  Leah will still be the Marrok's mate, with all the mojo that carries. 

I got the feeling that Sage truly cares for Asil.  Whether Asil feels as strongly as she does is something he'll have to discover now that Mariposa is dead and his old mate bond truly gone.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Patti L. on June 17, 2009, 07:20:03 am
I may be wrong, but I'm under the impression that, natural dominance aside, female werewolves without mates are low on the pecking scale; if I'm right about that, then if Sage was mated to Asil, she'd be within half a dozen or so of Leah, instead of somewhere down in the middle of the pack or worse.
Instead of being target for petty spite & dogsbody chores Leah might think up, she'd be not much below her in the power structure.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Ellyll on June 17, 2009, 07:44:50 am
I'm sure you're right about the pack structure, I just meant that it wouldn't matter where she was, mated or not; if Leah is the source of any BS that Sage has to put up with, none of that would help.  If someone lower on the dominance scale is doing it, then, yes, it would help for her to be mated to Asil, who doesn't seem lower than anyone in that pack except Charles and Bran.  But Leah would have no reason to stop any petty spite or dogsbody chores, because she's still higher than Asil. 
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Patti L. on June 17, 2009, 07:49:36 pm
I have 'yeah, but' running through my mind, but I suspect you're right, so I'll see if I can't let them die & fertilize something else.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Ellyll on June 18, 2009, 05:45:20 am
* giggle *  I empathize; 'yeah, but' is a constant state for me.  :D

I think (staying on topic here) that the relationship between Asil and Sage will definitely develop further.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Avarel on June 18, 2009, 08:47:24 pm
but does every relationship have to be sexual?
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: cavaliergirl on June 19, 2009, 02:55:51 am
Of course not.  You'll notice no one is pairing trying to pair off Sage and Tag, or Sage and Bran, or Sage and Samuel...

I think Sage and Asil are likely to wind up together because they kept winding up together in the book.  She's obviously comfortable enough with him to let herself into his home, work in his greenhouse, drive his car.  He even wraps his arm around her at the end of the book. 

That hints at a little more than a casual friendship. 
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Ellyll on June 19, 2009, 05:10:54 am
No, Avarel, it doesn't, and I'm not certain that the relationship between Asil and Sage will ever be sexual, or as lovers/mates.  I just think that their relationship will deepen now that Asil is able to move on from the Mariposa situation.  He's not crazy anymore, and he's not haunted by that warping of his mate bond, so he can actually look at other people in a more personal way.  Sage may just wind up being his best friend.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: alan on June 19, 2009, 08:56:32 am
She's obviously comfortable enough with him to let herself into his home, work in his greenhouse, drive his car.  He even wraps his arm around her at the end of the book. 

That hints at a little more than a casual friendship. 

I have guy friends i do that too and its just casual.  I'm with Ellyll on this one.  It's sort of a 50 50 toss up on what Sage will do.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: turtlezipp on August 11, 2009, 02:23:58 pm
i think we should pair up sage with samual. o.O

no seriously.  i think they'd both get something out of the deal.  maybe it would pull sam out of his funk?  who knows.

~zipp
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Avarel on August 11, 2009, 03:29:49 pm
I never thought about Sage and Samuel...

But in an interview or a chat Patty said we hadn't met Samuels eventual Happily Ever After yet.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Patti L. on August 11, 2009, 05:05:54 pm
Further, Turtlezipp, Sam is obsessed with having children.  Science is still a decade or more from his being able to have them with a female werewolf.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: turtlezipp on August 12, 2009, 05:25:12 am
dont know.  i kind got out of it that sam was obsessed with children that didnt die.  well if sage couldnt get pregnant then her kids wouldnt die.  but its kinda more about having given up on children of his own if we went that route.  dunno, but i think they could be happy together.  it make sure sam did have a pack as well.  but it might cause some problems since leah is especially jelous of brans feelings for his children.  since she already doesnt like sage it might cause more issues than it settles.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: gryphon340 on August 12, 2009, 05:35:47 am
In canon somewhere it has stated been Female werewolves can not have kids because the toll of the changing process.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: turtlezipp on August 12, 2009, 05:38:34 am
except charles's mother.  perhaps they could do some mass research on how she was able to keep from changing and not lose her child. 
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: charmed on August 12, 2009, 08:22:07 am
Off topic folks. This is the Asil and Sage thread, not the Sam and Sage threda, and it's certainly not another thread on werewolves and children. We already have several of those :D
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: turtlezipp on August 12, 2009, 05:03:24 pm
Off topic folks. This is the Asil and Sage thread, not the Sam and Sage threda, and it's certainly not another thread on werewolves and children. We already have several of those :D

lol sry.  quite right.  i do think that sage would be pretty good for asil though.  she's so much the opposite of him in a lot of ways. :)

~zipp
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: ironkitten on July 01, 2010, 06:02:05 pm
I don't forsee Asil and Sage as an item yet. I think Asil will wait and Anna is helping him and he in turn is helping her. Sage I think may like Asil but I don't think that it would be an immediate thing. Maybe later one perhaps when Asil is better. It would be interesting though to see a little more on Sage which would answer as the thread has brought up the unmated female - so far as it was stated we only have Mary Jo, but I am not sure there is much to tell there. Anyway it would be up to Patty to do the relationship thing there, but again I don't think it would be for a while. :)
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Brittany on July 15, 2010, 04:44:17 pm
I really like the idea of Asil and Sage. When I was reading the books, I got the impression that she might feel something more than friendship toward him. :) But I agree with a lot of the other people here. I think Asil still needs more time to heal before he could think about being mated to someone other than Sarai. For now, I like them as friends. Hopefully we'll get to see more of the Sage/Asil friendship in the next book! :D
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: ironkitten on July 15, 2010, 04:54:02 pm
Ya, I mean I think Asil holds some regard for Sage though because he allows her to come visit daily. I agree with you Brittany on those thoughts. I just finished re reading them and I can see something later down the road. By the way I like your banner.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Brittany on July 16, 2010, 05:23:46 pm
That's true! Maybe he does have some sort of feelings for her that he just feels he can't recognize yet. In Cry Wolf, when Sage came into Asil's hothouse, it said, "[Asil's] standards of beauty had broadened over the years, but even if they hadn't, Sage would have hit every chime he had." Seems like he's attracted to her at the very least. Maybe after the events of Cry Wolf, he'll slowly start moving on. I would absolutely love to see something happen with the two of them in the future.

And thank you! I have an obsession with saving beautiful pictures of wolves. I always use them as banners on forums. :D
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: HavParker on October 04, 2010, 04:30:08 pm
I agree with the general trend in this topic: that Asil and Sage is defiantly a potential couple. I won't go into the details of why I thought this while reading CW because its pretty much all been said.

However, I'd have to disagree with a statement that's been made repeatedly here.(Forgive me if I'm off topic) Mary Jo seems to me a much more interesting case-study on unmated female wolves than Sage. From her unhealthy fixation (or what ever you'd call it) on Adam to her complex relationship with Henry, as far a the politics of the packs go, she's worth discussing.

Just a thought.

On the topic of Sage and Asil, which is where I should have been anyway, I don't really understand the resistance to it. Is it only because you believe its an assumption based on nothing concrete? Because from the moment Sage was introduced as someone close to Asil - or at least as close as he would allow anyone to be - I suspected that she was interested in him. It was really the only reason I could think of concerning why she'd work with him in his garden enough for it to become habitual.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: caerali on October 25, 2010, 06:45:58 am
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Maybe he does have some sort of feelings for her that he just feels he can't recognize yet.




I would gently disagree with you.  I'm certain he does recognize it -- he's old, I just can't consider anyone who's survived as long as he to be that oblivious.  He purposely separates himself from her when he's able -- such as in in Cry Wolf, at Doc's funeral.  He sat in the pew behind Bran, his alpha, rather then with her.  Later on Anna recalled seeing her at the funeral.  So Sage was there, but not so close.  I believe Patty would have specifically pointed out if Sage had been sitting near Asil.  Rather then when Anna randomly recalled seeing her once Sage came to Charles's home later.  Asil probably felt that in a church with the Marrok present -- no one would have threatened Sage.  He likely felt she was safe enough.  Besides, he was more facinated with tormenting Charles who he knew would sit with his father/alpha.  It's a matter of priorties -- torment the alpha's pup and trigger a fight with the alpha or Charles or protect a woman who isn't his in a location where she's fairly protected.

I live in a relatively small town.  Everyone knows your business -- good and bad.  Aspen Creek is even smaller so I can only imagine the gossip it would invite.  He's a private man, I think getting into his business would certainly be a death sentance.  He's already borderline suicidal (that early in the book, anyway).  Anyone that old would have a strong sense of honor -- it would have been rude to hurt a woman that way -- being born in the 800s is a far cry from 2010.

I think he allows her around because:  a) he's dominant and has the need to protect those who are less dominant and needs protection (she's been injured in the past), b) no threat to his position in the pack, and c) doesn't take offense to his moodiness (because it's not directed at her).

Of course he likes her, she's nice to him and of course, beautiful.  But I think for now he's willing to keep her as arms length --  as a puppy in need of protection from others, but he keeps her close enough to pull in at a moment's notice if someone should threaten her.

It's hard to see from this point forward, not much was said about Asil in the last book, Hunting Ground.  And Sage wasn't mentioned at all.  I think Anna would have mentioned something more if something had changed about their situation.  He's still trying to recover from the last 200 years.  I think any relationship for him is a ways off.  He likes her too much, to be that cruel to her - it's a matter of curtsey.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Chalger on October 25, 2010, 12:17:35 pm


Of course he likes her, she's nice to him and of course, beautiful.  But I think for now he's willing to keep her as arms length --  as a puppy in need of protection from others, but he keeps her close enough to pull in at a moment's notice if someone should threaten her.


I think Sage is important to him, but not romantically important. As Asil had pushed his son away for years I don't think he has anyone really close to him left and he views people like Sage, who are kind and don't judge him or are ridiculously scared of him because he's The Moor, as friends and he won't do anthing to jeopardise losing them.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: HavParker on October 27, 2010, 09:17:36 pm
You know, it never occurred to me - or I don't remember it ever occurring to me - that part of the reason Asil wouldn't pursue anything with Sage, particularly if he knew she was interested, was because he anticipated his own death and did not what to put her through that.

If that is the case, then their relationship dynamic is even more interesting to me.

However, because of Asil's desire for death, it almost doesn't feel safe for Sage to even pursue a close friendship with him. Why set yourself up for ultimate sadness? Its more likely, to me, that she hangs out with him for other reasons and, as a result of that, feelings developed.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Patti L. on October 27, 2010, 09:40:30 pm
Oh, I think you've got something there.  Most of us have been coming at it from "what does Asil want/think/feel?"  But turn it around; what does Sage want?  She might very well have started hanging around him with - well, not ulterior motives exactly, but a rather cold blooded mindset of using him.  He's dominant, very dominant, but not exactly in the pack ranking, as far as needing to be obeyed because he's the Alpha's 2nd, 3rd, 6th.  So he can protect her from less dominant male weres.  And because of his messed up mating bond with Sarai, he's not (or hasn't been...) interested in courting and claiming her, although they might have had more or less casual sex.  Plus his former death wish meant that she wouldn't have to put up with him, probably, for more than a few decades.  As we know, he did ask Bran to kill him, more than once.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Varg on October 28, 2010, 02:56:16 am
Interesting perspective that.
*wanders off to ponder some more*
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: HavParker on October 28, 2010, 09:19:43 pm
To use him? I kinda like that... Because of the abuse she's suffered, I don't think she'd pursue a full-fledged romance with anyone. However, Sage doesn't seem to me to be someone against using Asil if it meant self-preservation or a more comfortable existence. Zero commitment. Come and go as pleased. Not a bad deal of yet.

I doubt the casual sex though. At least not up til Cry Wolf. Asil's attracted to her, he admits that to himself. But I don't recall any inference to any, uh, activity.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Chalger on October 29, 2010, 11:22:25 am
At least not up til Cry Wolf. Asil's attracted to her, he admits that to himself.

I can't remember this bit, stupid memory, where is it?
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: HavParker on October 29, 2010, 09:29:21 pm
Far away from my copy of CW, but to paraphrase it says: Asil's definition of beauty had expanded over the years, but even if it hadn't Sage would have been included... Or something to that nature.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: ElefiNecol on October 30, 2010, 10:55:21 am
Your memory is very close to the original..

 
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His standards of beauty had broadened over the years, but even if they hadn't, Sage would have hit every chime he had. CW-165
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: HavParker on October 30, 2010, 12:26:34 pm
:)Sweet.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: DandelionWine on February 07, 2011, 11:58:10 am
Also in Cry Wolf, in that same section, Asil says that even though it would be easy to squash her verbally for her habit of taking liberties with him, there was no challenge to doing so. (badly paraphrased, but I only have it on Audio-book so I don't have specifics there)  To me that means she's far below him in the dominance scale... possibly, probably a submissive IMO.  That would help him stay 'level' from what has been said about the role of submissives as described both in CW and in HG when Tom is inured and Alan Choo enters the room.  Also I think a bit of it has been mentioned Mercy's books too.  Anyway, the fact that she's actually a submissive, not necessarily just near the bottom because she's unmated, probably lends him some peace when she's near him.

I don't know about romance between them, I suppose it's possible.  I also don't understand why people are assuming she's been brutalized, unless it's just the fact that she's still in Aspen Creek which is a haven for wounded and sick wolves... has anyone thought that maybe she grew up there and that she chose to attempt the change there?  Maybe she's just still there because it's always been her home?  She goes to hang out with Asil because she understands that it helps him, which helps Bran, which helps her pack, and she likes working in the greenhouse?

If she grew up in a somewhat wilderness situation which Aspen Creek is even though there are many comforts, that sort of environments often breeds some strong willed people, men and women, so even if she's technically a submissive, she could still have a lot of inner toughness for all her outer beauty, that would help her survive the change.

I think some are making it all needlessly complicated  :P
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Elle on February 07, 2011, 02:02:03 pm
I got from Cry Wolf that Sage could easily have challenged Leah and won if Leah didn't have the power boost from Bran. I've never seen her as a submissive at all. I'm not really a fan of them as a couple for some reason. I like them as pack mates but I don't really read chemistry between them.

Dandelionwine, it wouldn't be Hurog if we didn't needlessly complicate things, you should see us in the River Marked spec/spoiler threads.  LOL
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Varg on February 07, 2011, 02:04:24 pm
What elle said :)

Also in Cry wolf there are direct inferences about how sage had been abused in her previous pack, I am not sure about page number but it is in the scene wher Sage and Asil are dead heading.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: DandelionWine on February 07, 2011, 03:06:35 pm
Yeah, I've been to the RM section and yep!   LOL  Also, and Oooh kay, just found the chapter and re-listened to it.  It was a rather brief mention of Sage's experiences, and other than a rather dark moment she was able to get past it and return to her more cheerful and somewhat normal dry humor rather quickly.  I agree though that that doesn’t diminish the importance of it of course, no lectures there please? 

Obviously my most simplistic suggestion is not correct, (though I think there’s merit to it in general applied to other possible pack members, I hope they aren’t all walking wounded!) but I still am not convinced she’s not rather sub naturally.  Her conflict with Leah doesn’t even show that she’s more dominant than she might seem,  maybe she did take some pleasure in Leah’s inability to get past Bran’s more important instructions, but that only proves that Leah is not respected, even by a sub, who’s human half is still affected by normal human emotions.  Maybe if she were in wolf form she’d have cringed more, but in human form, I’m not so sure.  Consider the way Honey only ducked her head to Mercy in wolf form, but still acted snippy as a human.

[Note to all!] I am defending my position, but am not getting all serious or upset about it!!!  Fun and Curiosity and Friendly debate is Everything!!!  [/end NOTE]   bOuNcY
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Elle on February 07, 2011, 04:28:02 pm
We're all pretty easy going here, DandelionWine. Everyone has a
different take on the characters so don't fret over bringing
in a new voice. We're all here because we love the books and talking
about them. :)
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: DandelionWine on February 07, 2011, 04:49:41 pm
Thanks Elle, I think that too, but text is sometimes hard to 'read' for emotion so I just wanted to reassure others that I'm not ate up about my own opinions, strong as they sometimes are.   :)  I reread what I'd written and realized I was getting a bit insistent, though hopefully not in a crazy way >.> .   Smileys help, but plain speaking is good too.  :-whistle
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Patti L. on February 07, 2011, 05:05:32 pm
I do that too; get sounding pedantic, and forget to use smileys.  :-[
Anyway, I had a curious thought regarding Sage and Leah's interaction.
--stopping first to stay on topic; Asil & Sage;  Not sure myself that they want to be more than friendly pack mates; we've only seen Asil interact with a handful of werewolves, and Leah, Anna, and Sage are the only females among them.  Sage is the only single one; doesn't make 'em a couple!

Now, Sage and Leah; I'm thinking about Peter, Honey's definitely submissive husband/mate.
He runs a business of his own, with employees he manages to boss around.  So being submissive as a werewolf doesn't mean the person lacks spine or ability to command.  So she could be relatively low on the status grid in the Aspen Creek pack, yes.  But, if Leah did not have her mate bond to Bran, she might be lower.  That's the implication that Elle was talking about a few posts ago.
Isn't it a lovely debate?   :D
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: DandelionWine on February 07, 2011, 07:23:22 pm
One thing that still sways me towards thinking that Sage is a sub is as I said a few posts ago that much like Alan Choo, she seems able to diffuse Asil’s stress with humor and even just her company, but also, it seems that she can say things to him and others (including Charles) that no one else of a higher dominance would dare without risking retribution.   She seems to have little or no fear of Charles and that’s something common to most of the subs we’ve met so far.  Honey got that slap, but she was being really mouthy and hey, what’s a slap to a werewolf?  She’s the only one who can get away with calling Charles Charlie, and she was teasing Asil in that very pointed way when he said that about how Bran could have sent him after the rogue.
 
Oh, and I found what he said about how she invades his home all the time when I was confirming that she had indeed been brutalized in the past as Varg said… Asil said internally, “Slapping down Sage was as rewarding as beating a puppy, it accomplished nothing except to make him feel abusive.”  Much as someone quite dominant would feel about attacking a submissive even verbally, there’s just no point to it really plus they have that instinct to protect them more than keep them in their place.  They know that no submissive would never threaten their position after all. 

I guess it’s possible they might suit as mates even still though, anything possible and she seems to like spending time with him at least though that’s hardly a thing to base a marriage on.  But I just don’t see it and I also actually see him as staying single unless his wolf insists he find a mate.  I suppose if that happens, he’d have to find someone in Aspen Creek if he doesn’t want to leave the area… and of course, the wolf would have a say too then huh?  I suppose she’s a candidate then…
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Rob on February 07, 2011, 07:57:52 pm
I'm for a relatioinship between Asil and Sage.  I believe it is more than possible.  It was said that Asil had fairly well isolated himself from everyone except for Bran and Sage with his suicial/homicidal/crazy act (before Anna arrived), yet he allowed Sage in his presence and even developed a friendship with her.  Also take into consideration brought up in the time that he was in the part of the world that he is from, wouldn't normally make friends with a woman.  While he may have enlightened with the centuries, I doubt it would have been that much.  So I really don't think he wouldn't have let Sage be so close to him unless he had feellings for her, whether he realizes it or not.

The fact that she so persisted in trying to be friends with 'suicidal/homicidal/crazy' Asil, leads me to think that Sage has feelings for him.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Kate on March 03, 2011, 01:17:47 pm
Rob, I agree with you. But it could also be two damaged people being drawn to one another to help each other heal. I've been in relationships like that, that verged on romantic, but never crossed the line. It's one other possibility.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: HavParker on March 20, 2011, 07:51:34 pm
I am confident Sage is a dominate wolf. Not sure why. Isn't it clearly stated in the books?
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Patti L. on March 20, 2011, 08:08:06 pm
Anna thinks that she's naturally more dominant than Leah, and doesn't  understand why she gives way to Leah, in Cry Wolf.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: HavParker on March 20, 2011, 08:28:25 pm
But Anna's never been very good with detecting rank. Still, if Sage was submissive I think Anna would have noticed this.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Patti L. on March 20, 2011, 08:32:18 pm
I disagree, Shanpark.  She didn't bother to keep track of rank much in Chicago, because they told her she was lower ranked than everyone else.  But she does sense it, generally, at least.  Remember her talking about the "meter" more or less, with Ric, the Austrian Omega.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: HavParker on March 21, 2011, 11:39:59 am
Sorry, I didn't explain myself well enough.

What I meant was that it was more difficult for her, partly because of habit and also because of the fact that she's an Omega. As I understand it, detecting rank is much simpler for a dominant because it is something they a fixated on. Because they focus on in it become easier to detect with experience. Anna neither had neither the interest or the experience in detecting rank.
 
I believe she knew well enough in CW to tell the difference between a submissive and a dominant wolf, thus why I believe Sage is dominant.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: misspiggy4ever on March 20, 2016, 09:15:15 pm
Well, I still hope Asil gets himself together enough to properly court Sage. From what I've read of her, I like her and she would be a good match for Asil. Though Asil has some healing to do. I believe he's still in love with his previous mate, and he has that whole "my wolf is outta control and its a matter of time before I snap and become a monster" thing. That I believe right now is what rules Asil. Until that attitude resolves itself, I don't see him mating with anyone.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Patti L. on March 20, 2016, 10:20:39 pm
Agreed, MissP. 
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: BillG on March 21, 2016, 02:10:29 am
I agree also, MIssP. Asil spent so much time sensing the witch was tracking him while thinking it impossible that he convinced himself he was insane and needed to die.
He then had the trauma of his brief encounter with his mate's revenant. Even the proof that he had been tracked and that the witch was now dead did not let him get over everything immediately. But he is getting better. Wasn't it in HG that Anna met his son who thought Asil was getting better? As I recall, he thanked Anna for it, she denied being behind it and Charles said 'Oh, yes she was'.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: dee on April 26, 2019, 01:49:51 pm
Just finished reading burn bright and curious about others opinion on the Sage plot twist?
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Zealith on April 26, 2019, 02:05:45 pm
I was not expecting it. I do think it was well done.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Janilee on April 26, 2019, 04:06:57 pm
It also reinforces Asil's isolation.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Patti L. on April 26, 2019, 07:08:42 pm
Well, I still hope Asil gets himself together enough to properly court Sage. From what I've read of her, I like her and she would be a good match for Asil. Though Asil has some healing to do. I believe he's still in love with his previous mate, and he has that whole "my wolf is outta control and its a matter of time before I snap and become a monster" thing. That I believe right now is what rules Asil. Until that attitude resolves itself, I don't see him mating with anyone.

And now, three years later, it's *facepalm* Sooo glad that didn't happen!  Eh?
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: pondhawk on April 27, 2019, 09:43:47 am
IKR? I think Asil has gotten more engaged with living again anyway, through Kara and through acting as proxy for Bran or Charles as necessary.
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Patti L. on April 27, 2019, 10:17:29 am
plus the dates...  ^-^
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: pondhawk on April 28, 2019, 10:45:33 am
Meanwhile, back at the oasis...

Sorry!
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: Janilee on April 28, 2019, 01:19:24 pm
<Snirt!> 8)
Title: Re: Asil and Sage
Post by: BillG on April 29, 2019, 02:54:07 am
 LOL