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Title: [A&O #0.5] On The Prowl | Alpha & Omega Discussion
Post by: Nifty on July 20, 2007, 08:18:26 am
I was really thrilled to read the excerpt for Alpha and Omega.  Can't wait!

Mike, I have a question for YOU about Omegas.  Really, it's a question for Patty, but since this forum is on the down-low -- sshhhhhh -- I thought I'd ask you instead, and maybe it's something you already know or you and she have talked about.

I've always hear that Omegas are the lowest member of a wolfpack, yada, yada.  They're cringing and submissive; as lowest-ranking member, they eat last and often get picked on horribly; they're not allowed to mate; they can be driven from the pack.  Those are the "common" things that people always hear about omegas.

However, at home I have a book on wolves that says that the omegas are very misunderstood by most people.  The author of that book explained that Omegas actually serve an important purpose in the pack:  they're the ones who break up the tension and redirect it, which often keeps dominant wolves from fighting (and possibly killing) one another, which therefore keeps the wolfpack healthy and whole and strong.  For example:  Say it's feeding time, and two higher-ranking wolves start to posture with one another about who's going to eat that choice bit of meat.  Their hackles are raised and teeth are bared and they're really about to get into it.  At this point, an Omega would slink into the scene and try to steal a bit of food for himself, which of course would draw the dominant wolves' attention to him and away from each other.  The dominant wolves would "correct" the Omega for his impudence and that would distract everybody from the big fight that was imminent before the Omega interceded.  Everything I've read about Omegas indicates that while they might get picked on horribly, and even be abused to some degree by the other wolves, it's very rare for a dominant wolf to seriously harm an Omega, although two dominant wolves can kill each other if they get into a fight. So...according to my book at home, at least...Omega's are extremely valuable to a real wolfpack.

When I was reading the excerpt for Alpha and Omega, it seemed that Patty's understanding of the Omega was similar to mine.  Certainly, Charles recognized that Anna was an Omega -- and not merely a submissive wolf -- and he considered her to be both rare and valuable.  She had a calming influence on his anger...similar, in a way, to the example above in which the Omega diverted the dominant wolf's anger/attention. 

So I guess my question for you/Patty is can you tell us more about Patty's understanding of the role of the Omega?  You don't have to be specific about the story...unless of course you want to!! ;D

ETA: Title modified. Elle
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Mike Briggs on July 20, 2007, 09:14:31 am
Nifty:
Well, I'll give it a shot.  First, one of my undergrad degrees is "Fish and Wildlife Management", so while I'm not an expert I do have some background in the area.  Also, remember that werewolves (in addition to being imaginary) are kind of a dual-natured creature, with human and wolf aspects, which kind of turns standard wolf biology on it's ear.

Your explanation of the Omega in a real pack is spot on.  They do fulfill an important role, and the omega is abused, but also protected from serious injury by the pack, and does get a share of the kill etc. etc.

Werewolves have a real problem - they live within the human community, but they have very hot tempers and are usually a bit more agressive than other folks.  They human aspect is usually in conflict with the more assertive, aggressive wolf aspect.  Worse, the more alpha the werewolf, the greater the difference between instinct and socially acceptable behavior.  Newly turned werewolves often have
a very difficult time learning to control this aggressive side, and are often lost (that's a nice way of saying killed by their alpha) before they cause problems.  Even experienced wolves, particularly alphas, often have a hard time being rational and making sound decisions when emotions are running high because they're spending too much of their attention trying to keep the wolf pacified.  This becomes a real problem, for example, when alphas from various packs meet to try to resolve issues like territory or exchanging members.

An omega werewolf is a fairly rare creature.  Their magic is that they calm the wolf aspect of others, and allow the human side to retain control in stressful situations.   Because they're not at all alpha, they should be the lowest-ranked member of the pack, BUT because werewolves are smarter than wolves, and because they recognize the benefits of an omega, they are usually given a status more like the medicine men/women in native american culture. They're "removed" from the pack heirarchy and from all the dominance games, and set outside the normal rules. 

Does this help?

Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Grey Drakkon on July 20, 2007, 09:21:37 am
Excellent to hear!  Er, read.  I love how elements from reality are blended to make the most sense.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Nifty on July 20, 2007, 09:26:08 am
Does this help?

Yes!  That's awesome!  Thanks so much for posting.  Like I said, I got really excited when I read the excerpt and saw how Patty was handling the omega, because that perspective is really not something I've come across in any other werewolf novel I've read.  If there's a submissive or "omega" werewolf (in other book series), the emphasis always seems to be on the wolf's low-ranking position and cringe-iness and not on their overall value to the pack.

Does Adam's pack have an omega? Or Bran's?  I don't recall a reference to one, and there may not be.  Certainly Charles' reaction to Anna seemed like true omegas were few and far between.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Mike Briggs on July 20, 2007, 10:14:15 am
[Does Adam's pack have an omega? Or Bran's?  I don't recall a reference to one, and there may not be.  Certainly Charles' reaction to Anna seemed like true omegas were few and far between.

This is probably actually a Patty question, she gets to make up answers as she goes.  To the best of my knowledge neither Adam nor Bran have an Omega in their packs.  Omegas are very rare -- generally only assertive, even agressive people have enough constitution to survive the transformation to werewolf.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Grey Drakkon on July 20, 2007, 10:17:13 am

This is probably actually a Patty question, she gets to make up answers as she goes.  To the best of my knowledge neither Adam nor Bran have an Omega in their packs.  Omegas are very rare -- generally only assertive, even agressive people have enough constitution to survive the transformation to werewolf.

   Kinda along the lines of "too mean to die" eh?
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Nifty on July 20, 2007, 10:18:08 am
Omegas are very rare -- generally only assertive, even agressive people have enough constitution to survive the transformation to werewolf.

That's a good point.  I keep forgetting the part about not all people being able to make the transition.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Mandy on July 20, 2007, 03:44:47 pm
I was wondering if anyone knows the exact day that On the Prowl is being released, because all it says is August and I was just wondering what day :).
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Mike Briggs on July 20, 2007, 04:13:32 pm
Mandy:
On the prowl doesn't have a hard sell date, but it's release date is Aug 7.  Publisher's generally reserve hard sell dates for books they expect to be extremely popular.  If an author can generate most of their sales on the first week, they improve their chances of getting on a best-seller list for that week, so it benefits the author.  It also levels the field for booksellers, because they all start selling at the same time.  Just imagine if one bookstore were to sell Harry Potter a week before all the competition -- they'd make millions!  So, if a book has a hard sell date, the publishers take a very dim view of bookstores jumping the gun.

For smaller titles, the release date is just when they expect to have the books available.  So, while it's flattering to have people asking for a specific date, On the Prowl will be offered for sale whenever the bookstore gets it in, which is generally a week or so before the official date, and it will probably come out some places sooner than others.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Nifty on July 20, 2007, 05:17:10 pm
The Mercy books are garnering quite a following.  I wouldn't be surprised if, in a book or two, there's a strict-on-sale date for them. Blood Bound was being sold a good two weeks before its "official" street date and still did remarkably well on the lists, despite the dilution of those initial sales.  If the booksellers had had to abide by an SOS date, it's probable that the list placement would have been even higher.  Don't you think?

What surprises me is that they've started to assign SOS dates to mass market paperbacks.  I noticed this first with one of JR Ward's Black Dagger Brotherhood novels. 
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Grey Drakkon on July 21, 2007, 07:27:33 am
That's really interesting about release dates, I never realized that they had different standards for popularity of book and author.  I too think that the Mercy books may be approaching that level though.  I wonder what the cut-off point is?
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: wolfeyes on July 21, 2007, 09:51:32 am
well i did hav some questions about an omega but you guys pretty much fixed that...thanks :)
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Coyote on July 22, 2007, 06:17:08 pm
Just another tidbit, though what people here have already said covers what I'd have said better than I'd have done...

Often, when the omega of a pack dies or is otherwise lost, the rest of the pack which... to humans seemed to do nothing but "abuse" them, mourns deeply.

People often apply human and cultural values to the behavior of other animals. But animals don't always like the same things we do, or have the same value structures.

I've gotten to be around wolves many times. Often, even people who have worked with wolves a long time, and love them, seem to "freak out" about behaviors that, to the wolves are normal, healthy, and sometimes necessary. Wolves don't say things like "Please, madam, may have have some of your steak?" or "Why no, I'd rather you didn't." They also don't wig out just because someone gets a notched ear or a slashed flank.

They work, live and play rougher than we do. Often, when wolves were "fighting" and the humans involved interfered, often very upset... the wolves looked at them like they were crazy.

At the same time, wolves that I'd see snap bits off one another, and knock each other down without a thought would be very gentle or careful with their human friends. They know what they're doing, it seems... they know how hard they bite and how strong they are, and they seem to know what other people... wolves or not, can take... most of the time.

Not all wolves are the same, mind you.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Elle on July 22, 2007, 08:22:41 pm
This is a great thread for learning more about wolves and the publishing industry, loving it.

It's getting so close to the release date that I whenever I pop into the bookstore I do a quick check just in case it's out early. I might strike it lucky.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Fairyfreak on July 24, 2007, 05:03:08 am
I know what you mean.  I've preordered it from Amazon, and even though I know it's too soon, I keep checking to see if they've started shipping it out yet.  :)  *checks*  Nope, not yet...
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Nifty on July 24, 2007, 06:02:49 am
It's getting so close to the release date that I whenever I pop into the bookstore I do a quick check just in case it's out early. I might strike it lucky.

Ha!  I was checking on that myself this past weekend when I was at work at the bookstore.  We've got 19 copies on order.  I want one!   I work again this weekend, so maybe it'll be there.  We'll see.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Shoshana on July 26, 2007, 11:19:05 pm
I found On The Prowl this past Wednesday, so it's out there. (I got it at Wal-Mart, king of the release it early)

I really enjoyed Alpha and Omega except for one thing....

I don't want to wait till next year to read more!!!!

I have the Mercy Thompson books and I'm looking forward to Iron Kissed very much.

'shana

Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Nifty on July 27, 2007, 06:29:53 am
Oooh, I was at Borders last night looking for it, so thanks for the heads-up about Wal-Mart.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Fairyfreak on July 27, 2007, 07:45:36 am
Oh poo!  My Wal-mart didn't have it last night when I looked.  *sigh*  Oh well, I'll just wait for amazon to ship it to me.    :'(
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: SF on July 27, 2007, 12:11:50 pm
I found On The Prowl this past Wednesday, so it's out there. (I got it at Wal-Mart, king of the release it early)

Did they have several books or was it just one?

I wander what section they will put this book in because i can never really find the same book in the same place lately  ???
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Elle on July 27, 2007, 09:46:26 pm
Oh...I'll check it out tomorrow.  8) Thanks for the heads-up.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Cole on July 28, 2007, 12:04:58 pm
hmm ill see if it at my walmart
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Kyra_Athena on July 28, 2007, 05:22:20 pm
I also pre-ordered from Amazon.  I am checking out my local Wal-Mart though.  In the last few months, I have found orders I was waiting to be released there a week or so early.  Just yesterday, I found a book there that wasn't supposed to be released until July 31st.  Needless to say, I bought it and cancelled the pre-order.   
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: CandyAss on July 28, 2007, 07:39:00 pm
Not only have I heard that On the Prowl was out and some people had it, but also Stepine Meyers Eclipse, and Sherrilyn Kenyons Devil May Cry   who knows what else
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Kyra_Athena on July 28, 2007, 08:18:07 pm
I think I saw On the Prowl at Wal-Mart, but I'm not sure.  I definitely saw a book there with a very similar cover. 
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: CandyAss on July 30, 2007, 02:52:31 am
I'm going tomorrow to see if my local wal-marts have it
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Spryte on July 30, 2007, 10:58:14 am
OK I am off to wallyworld this afternoon! Thanks for the heads up! I was at B&N yesterday and asked about it but they won't put it on the shelves until the seventh or eighth. *alas*
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Nifty on July 31, 2007, 05:19:31 am
OK I am off to wallyworld this afternoon! Thanks for the heads up! I was at B&N yesterday and asked about it but they won't put it on the shelves until the seventh or eighth. *alas*

This should not be the case.  (Although if you asked and that's what they said, then obviously it is the case at your particular B&N.)  I work at a B&N and checked on On the Prowl last night.  Our copies haven't come in yet.  But since the book doesn't have a Strict-on-Sale date, we're not obligated to hold it until the 7th.  It can go out on the floor as soon as it comes in.

Tuesdays are typically our big release dates, though, so I'm curious if it'll come in today.  I'll have to check tonight and see.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Spryte on July 31, 2007, 01:19:52 pm
Hmmmm.... Well, I'll go back and see. The guy who told me this was new there ( I know everyone, I'm there alot  ;D) so he may have been wrong, or just didn't know that yet. But I did go to Wal-Mart and mine didn't have it. Son i'll stop by B&N again later this week and see what's going on... If it's out at your B&N post so I can run out and check mine. Please!
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: CandyAss on July 31, 2007, 06:43:57 pm
I went to Books-a-Million and got it!!  As soon as I came home I read A&O  don't worry I'm not putting up any spoilers, but I can't wait to talk about it...  ;D
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: jenglows on July 31, 2007, 08:56:07 pm
grumble, grumble, grumble...  can't find it here... there is one more Walmart i haven't checked ... hmmmm... maybe a mission for tomorrow  :)
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Nifty on August 01, 2007, 05:25:26 am
If it's out at your B&N post so I can run out and check mine. Please!

It's still not at mine, either, Spryte.  Bummer!
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Spryte on August 01, 2007, 09:57:27 am
Ahhh! I'm about to go absolutely nutso :o... I'm out of books, and all the ones I want to reread are out on loan.  :'(
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Elle on August 01, 2007, 01:13:46 pm
Just poking my head in here real quick. Trying to avoid the spoilers if there are any...I still haven't found it yet.  :-\  The search goes on!
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: jenniwee on August 01, 2007, 10:19:47 pm
I've been looking at Borders, B&N, and Wallyworld almost every other day (there's always a reason to be there).  Maybe Patty is becoming a hard-sell-date author.  Yay for her, boo-hoo for us! ;)
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Nifty on August 02, 2007, 05:48:40 am
My local B&N had it out last night.  I had to hunt it down, though.  They had a corrugated display -- those cardboard thingies -- and had stuck it in fantasy behind a column, but they didn't have any books on the shelves.  I grabbed one and stuck it on the shelf with Patty's other books.  ;D

I really liked it but it left me wanting more.  Which isn't a bad thing...just means I want the next Charles and Anna story NOW!!  Ha!  (Poor Patty...she's already writing her fingers to the bone while being wife and mother and horse-owner and all the rest.  And all us fans are like, "Write faster!"  It's just 'cause we love your stuff, Patty.)
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: thehuntress on August 03, 2007, 12:31:39 am
For the Brisvegas folks (Brisbane Australia) I picked a copy up at Pulp Fiction.  Already in love.  Just stopped on to skite.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: SF on August 03, 2007, 10:18:01 am
It is in the B&N up in Bowling Green KY

Can't wait for the next charles & anna book
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Spryte on August 03, 2007, 11:40:10 am
That is IT! I am going to B&N tomorrow! (I can't do it today, a friend of mine is in an opera, and I have to go.... so no time to get book today :()
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: thehuntress on August 03, 2007, 01:59:55 pm
Thoroughly enjoyed Alpha and Omega.  Would love to read another book
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: SweetSensation on August 03, 2007, 02:37:08 pm
   :(   Its not at Wal-mart or Waldens sooo I'll have to wait till tuesday.  :'(   Well at least that way I can pick up Eclipse at the same time.  Oh well I tried.....
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Spryte on August 03, 2007, 02:43:35 pm
*sigh* :'(
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Fairyfreak on August 06, 2007, 04:51:45 am
Got it Friday at B&N.  Woo-HOO!  Fantastic.  The only problem is that we have to wait until August for the first book!   :D
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Has on August 06, 2007, 05:04:12 am
I'm still waiting for mine- Amazon UK has it on order but it states its gonna take 1-3 weeks :'(
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Spryte on August 06, 2007, 05:49:32 am
Spryte's internal hamster (the one that powers brain functions like memory, tact, and in this case patience) has collapsed on it's little wheel.... I have to go get Alpha and Omega.... but people keep calling me and asking me to do stuff that I can't say no to....
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: weyrfolk on August 06, 2007, 03:46:49 pm
I finally picked mine up at the barnes and Noble here!!  Yea!!  I loved it!!  It was in a cardboard display here too and now on the shelves where Patty's other books were, or in the new releases.  I found that strange...
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: errant_angel on August 07, 2007, 09:31:58 am
Got it Friday at B&N.  Woo-HOO!  Fantastic.  The only problem is that we have to wait until August for the first book!   :D


I soooo agree... I just don't know if I can wait that long for more!!
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Spryte on August 07, 2007, 11:25:39 am
Going to get mine today! ;D *Spryte does happy dance*
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: weyrfolk on August 07, 2007, 04:07:39 pm
Posts are slow today......more people have found Alpha and Omega and are reading!!!!   I can't wait till January!!!! :D
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: SweetSensation on August 08, 2007, 04:35:46 am
  I am sooooo efffiinnn mad  >:(  .  The only Waldens in my town does not have Alpha and Omega. They said and I quote " the computer says it SHOULD come in sometime this month." I had my whole game plan worked out . I had a coupon and  was going to get A&O and Eclipse by Stephenie Meyer. Buying both books would be the only way I could use the stupid store coupon.  But ohhh nooo the book Gods werent smiling on me yeterday. I went to Wal-mart and looked and looked, no luck.  :'(  So amazon it is, because I just cant wait anymore, not when I know the book is out.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Grey Drakkon on August 08, 2007, 05:19:45 am
Well looks like they lost your business.  I've been less than happy really with Waldenbooks/Borders since they changed their discount program. 
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Samhain Girl on August 08, 2007, 08:12:10 am
Yahoo, I read the Alpha & Omega story it about 30 minutes flat.  I missed my sons karate practice (on accident) reading the story forgot I had to go.  It was soo good and way to short.  Patricia you are such a tease  ;) :D :) That appetizer had me screaming for more.  I can't believe 2008, I am going to wither away and die waiting for the next book.  I bought the book at Borders (my usual haunt) and I could not find the book were it should have been.  I ask the manager and they had not put the book(s) out yet, they were on some trolley or something.  I got there after work about 4pm pst.  I told the manager I was going to tell the author they did not have her book out yet, its Patricia's book, listed under her name  :)  The manager jokingly pleaded for me not tell, and quickly put the books out on the end display table were all the mixed genre romance releases are placed (at least in that store).  So all, if you haven't already picked up the book, hurry up and go get it!!!!!  The other authors, Sunny & Karen are also good.  I am exicited to try Eileen.  Adios!!
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: SweetSensation on August 08, 2007, 08:22:53 am
Well looks like they lost your business.  I've been less than happy really with Waldenbooks/Borders since they changed their discount program. 

Yep, they made me soo mad that I didnt even buy Eclipse from them. I bought it at Wal-mart.  ;D
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: bingomzan on August 09, 2007, 09:32:31 am
I bought mine at the richland hastings. I was there for the pokemon TCG league, but looked around and found it. I read it later that night. IT WAS AWESOME!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Spryte on August 09, 2007, 03:53:52 pm
I got it. I read it. I LOVED it. And, I think I may have discovered some new favorite authors... I also found some books about a demi-god.... but anywho.... I can't wait until August! I really really really like Charles and Anna.  ;D
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Elle on August 09, 2007, 07:21:42 pm
I picked mine up yesterday. Absolutely loved it! Really looking forward to more of Charles and Anna.  :)
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Coyote on August 09, 2007, 10:20:50 pm
[Does Adam's pack have an omega? Or Bran's?  I don't recall a reference to one, and there may not be.  Certainly Charles' reaction to Anna seemed like true omegas were few and far between.

This is probably actually a Patty question, she gets to make up answers as she goes.  To the best of my knowledge neither Adam nor Bran have an Omega in their packs.  Omegas are very rare -- generally only assertive, even agressive people have enough constitution to survive the transformation to werewolf.

A lady friend of mine has a tattoo that says "All who submit are not weak."

I think that sums up something about Omegas.

It's incredibly tough to be an omega. It's not something anyone could do, any more than it is easy to be a clown, or to have the Heyoka power in Lakota culture. The omega's role in a pack can be very demanding - especially since not all packs are as nice as others. Not all wolfpacks are the same, remember.

As for the human side...
I'm not a submissive person by nature, and so it was very surprising for me to learn that "sub" type human beings are not necessarily weak either. Some of them are among the strongest people I know, and of the highest character.

One does not have to be weak to be submissive.

Assertiveness, dominance, cowardice, aggression, willpower, bravery and shyness are among many traits that a wolf (or human) might have, and those traits don't necessarily imply the presence or absence of other traits, or of character.

Some fragile people are very demanding and controlling, and some tough people prefer supportive roles or to let others hold the dominant position in a relationship, or among a circle of friends.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Mike Briggs on August 10, 2007, 06:35:50 am
As for the human side...
I'm not a submissive person by nature, and so it was very surprising for me to learn that "sub" type human beings are not necessarily weak either. Some of them are among the strongest people I know, and of the highest character.
One does not have to be weak to be submissive.

I agree completely.  As an example, there's a man in our church whom I greatly admire who is extremely meek and soft spoken.   He's gentle and incredibly kind to others, even when they don't treat him kindly. In short, he's a sterling example of humanity at it's finest.  Beneath the surface, there's nothing weak about the man at all -- the strength of his convictions and his determination to do the right thing are awesome.  Most people would see him as submissive, even weak.  Nothing could be further from the truth, and personally I'd like to be more like him.

However, in defense of the werewolf thing, MOST folks that I know with this kind of inner strength tend to be fairly spiritual (and I'm not just talking Christian), and most would happily die for their convictions.  They're not afraid of death, and depending on their brand of spiritual training they're either looking for something better or have made their peace with the great nothing.  If they were severely wounded, and faced with coming back as something other than human, I think many of them would just slip over to the other side.  Becoming a werewolf doesn't just require the ability to endure terrible wounds, it requires a huge will to live, to remain HERE, regardless of the consequences.  You don't "recover", you turn into something different, darker, and more violent than you once were.  Remember that even new wolves who survive the transformation are occasionaly unable to cope with the psychological aspects of the change.  Some refuse to accept the wolf aspect, and ultimately end up being killed.  People who've spent their lives seeking spiritual perfection, and particularly those who choose a gentle path, are not likely to accept becoming a werewolf.  It's not about weakness, it about making a choice to remain true to their chosen path.  Does that make any sense?
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Kravbeast on August 10, 2007, 07:07:35 am
Good Morning,

Hello, newby here. I just bought and read On the Prowl - and by far my favorite story is Patricia Briggs. I usually don't join boards, but I had to come in and say that I loved it and now I can't wait for the next book of this new series because I've fallen in love with these two characters. Anna might be an omega, but she's strong when she needs to be, and very protective and loyal to the ones she loves. I hate having to wait for the next story in this series because I did NOT want this story to end. I was also left very curious about the Marrock (not sure if that's spelled right).

I guess I just wanted to come in and say "Thank you, Patty" for such an enjoyable read. I've read it twice already and I just got it.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Fairyfreak on August 10, 2007, 09:20:34 am
Hi Kravbeast!  Have you read Moon Called and Blood Bound yet?  It's set in the same world, so you can see a bit more of the Marrok there if you haven't already.  :D  I have to admit, I'm also looking forward to seeing more of him!! 
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: SF on August 10, 2007, 09:45:34 am
It's not about weakness, it about making a choice to remain true to their chosen path.  Does that make any sense?

yea it does make sense. We've seen that a little with doctor in Moon Called
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Taphien on August 10, 2007, 11:51:24 am
I just got notice from amazon.de that my order was send off. I hope it will arrive tomorrow, as I'm leaving early on Monday for the whole week :(
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Coywolf on August 10, 2007, 04:28:43 pm
Thought I'd throw in my two pennies about Anna and Charles. . .loved the story, and I wished it was longer. I can hardly wait for the next installment of the series. And I just had a weird thought . . . if Mercy can "feel" the power of the domiants in her life, and generally ignore it if she choses to (ie Bran and Adam) I wonder if she can feel the Omega's power too, and if so what it's effect would be on her personality. I can't wait for them to meet each other, should be very interesting.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: thehuntress on August 11, 2007, 12:13:54 am
Nearly finished On the Prowl.  Alpha and Omega was brilliant.  Loved Inhuman too.  Reckon I'll probably have to get hold of a little more of Eileen Wilks' stuff.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Elle on August 11, 2007, 05:00:42 am
Here be...werewolves.

Our first taste of the the Charles and Anna series. Fabulous. Starting this thread so we can discuss it without accidentally spoiling anyone. :D


Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Taphien on August 11, 2007, 05:54:43 am
Got it today - read it imidiately - very good - now I want more! :)
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Kravbeast on August 11, 2007, 06:58:10 am
Hi Kravbeast!  Have you read Moon Called and Blood Bound yet?  It's set in the same world, so you can see a bit more of the Marrok there if you haven't already.  :D  I have to admit, I'm also looking forward to seeing more of him!! 


Yep, I've read all of Patty's. I'm definitely a fan, in fact, I am not a fan of anthologies, but when I saw that it had Patty's and Karen Chance's I decided to buy it because I knew it was a start of a new series. I'm very glad that I did. I wouldn't have missed it for the world. I'm dying to see how this story develops.

Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: jenniwee on August 11, 2007, 10:58:07 am
Loved the story but it was way too short. 

Is it wrong that I wanted all of the wolves in Leo's pack killed for raping Anna?  Though honestly, if it had been me I think I would have used the silver knife and bullet on Justin rather than myself.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Spryte on August 11, 2007, 11:09:32 am
yeah... but if she killed justin (dirty rotten nasty slugslimey boil on the backside of werewolf society) she would have been worse of after that with the rest of the pack (if you could even call it that)
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Spryte on August 11, 2007, 11:21:14 am
I don't think I can make it 'till next August. I really really really liked this story, and I am dying to see, er, read what happens next!
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: deva on August 11, 2007, 12:10:26 pm
I stumbled onto On The Prowl in a local Wal-Mart.  I had been waiting for it to come out, but was elated to find it nearly 2 weeks before it was scheduled to hit shelves.  I wasn't even looking for it, just browsing the books as usual.  Then the cover caught my eye and all I wanted to do was get into the car and read it, good thing my husband was driving. ;)
So, I started it in the car and wanted to stop the shopping trip planned for the day short so I could curl up at home and read it without distractions, but I held out.  I got home and devoured it, maybe a little too quickly.  And, when I got to the last page telling me when next to expect a Charles and Ana story I wanted to cry.  *sigh*  I really should learn to read books slower.  So, instead of savoring it the first time around and before I continued on to the other three stories, I read Alpha and Omega twice more and loved it.  Maybe I will be able to make it to January after all without withering away with wanting for Iron Kissed.

I loved Charles and Ana.  Ana was so strong, overcoming much more than she should have had to.  Though scared she does the right thing and that is admirable.  And Charles was great, strong and sensitive.  Even though the story happened over the span of a day, I felt like so much more time had passed.  Though a short story, I learned so much about them.  I think Patricia Briggs really knows how to draw a character and make you care for them and root for triumph and happiness. 
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: deva on August 11, 2007, 12:18:04 pm
I think that, because she was passed around to so many of the pack members, it would have been difficult to kill everyone on her own.  I don't think that just killing Justin wouldn't have solved the issues.  If just some slight disobedience sentenced her to punishment at the other wolves will, imagine the punishment for killing the Alpha's second.  Ahh, but I agree with you jenniwee, if I had it my way they would have eliminated everyone who had raped her.
I loved the story, by the way.  It did a bit for me in the way of soothing the want for Iron Kissed.  I read it way to quickly the first time then read it a couple of times more to make sure I didn't miss anything.  Good read.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: jenglows on August 11, 2007, 03:04:49 pm
Jeepers I'm having a rotten luck at finding this book.  Should of just ordered it!
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Elle on August 11, 2007, 07:08:20 pm
What I really liked about this story is that it gave me a better understanding of what it is to have your wolf mate to someone before you fall in love with them. It made me look at the Sam/Mercy pairing in a different way and appreciate it on a different level that I had been doing previously. I'm still Team Adam ;) but I'm more lenient to Sam than I was before.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Serenity on August 11, 2007, 10:55:30 pm
. It made me look at the Sam/Mercy pairing in a different way and appreciate it on a different level that I had been doing previously. I'm still Team Adam ;) but I'm more lenient to Sam than I was before.

You know, I have to agree with you, All of in fact.  I'm team Adam,  but there is something about that dang Sam.....
I really cant wait to hear more of Charles and Anna, I was so happy to hear SOME of their story.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Taphien on August 12, 2007, 01:37:07 am
Loved the story but it was way too short. 

Is it wrong that I wanted all of the wolves in Leo's pack killed for raping Anna?  Though honestly, if it had been me I think I would have used the silver knife and bullet on Justin rather than myself.

...but weren't they ordered to rape her (except for Justin)? Plus the newer ones probably never learn about proper pack behaviour. Not to mention that mental instability in the alpha pair probably influences the pack as well.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Spryte on August 12, 2007, 04:49:27 pm
Even though I was really angry with Leo for all the horrible things that happened to Anna, I felt really bad for him when I realized that his mate was crazy. He wanted to protect her, and he went way to far, and it cost him his life. I felt really bad for the guy.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: DeDanann on August 12, 2007, 05:13:47 pm
I felt sorry for Leo, too.  I wonder how much older Isabelle was.  Also, it makes me worry about Bran, Charles and Samuel, although I suppose Charles will be fine for a while now, since he's just fallen in love with Anna.

Say, I wonder whether dominant older wolves mated to an omega would generally live longer because of the  omega effect....
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Elle on August 12, 2007, 07:43:51 pm
omega effect

I like that. :)

I know Bran is big on the whole...la, la, la...don't look at me, I'm not the most powerful werewolf in North America, but I really got a sense of old power from him in this story. Maybe it's because Anna just hears his voice and her perception of him is limited to that until the end when they come face to face.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: jenniwee on August 13, 2007, 12:14:39 pm
Also, it makes me worry about Bran, Charles and Samuel

Ever since reading BB, I've thought that Samuel may be about to lose it.  I know much of his loss of control came from the demon, but even more than that, it seems like he may be losing the will to live.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: SweetSensation on August 14, 2007, 01:48:30 pm
  My copy finally came from amazon today yayyyyyyy  ;D. Well I'm off to go read. I just love amazon, I really do.  :)
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Zealith on August 14, 2007, 05:01:26 pm
What are you guys finding it under? Horror? Which author/editor?
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Cole on August 14, 2007, 05:23:54 pm
it was in the romance section in the bookstore under patty's name
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Elle on August 14, 2007, 05:47:10 pm
I got mine in the romance section under anthologies. I had to ask them where it was because I'd checked my bookstore online and the site told me that they had 4 copies in store but I was looking in the fantasy section under Patricia's name and when I couldn't find it I got them to find it for me. :D
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Cole on August 14, 2007, 05:55:02 pm
i was kinda embarresed im a seventeen year old guy looking in the romance section with 3 50 year old women standing beside me
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: jenglows on August 14, 2007, 08:18:24 pm
I had a really hard time finding it, after trips to walmart and target i went to barnes & noble and it took them forever to find it.  It was on an end display somewhere and no copies were shelved in romance or fantasy.  I think  the main author last name is Chance not Briggs also
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: jenglows on August 14, 2007, 08:22:01 pm
I agree that Sam might have big trouble holding it together if Mercy makes a serious commitment to Adam.  His wolf will not be happy and his person might have some trouble controlling his emotions too.

I have to say that after reading this story Bran is my absolute favorite in the series - Just Love him! :-*
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: jenglows on August 14, 2007, 08:25:12 pm
. It made me look at the Sam/Mercy pairing in a different way and appreciate it on a different level that I had been doing previously. I'm still Team Adam ;) but I'm more lenient to Sam than I was before.

You know, I have to agree with you, All of in fact.  I'm team Adam,  but there is something about that dang Sam.....
 


Sooo happy to see that my Man is slowly winning over the hearts and minds    ;D GO Team SAM !!!!   :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Cole on August 14, 2007, 11:06:49 pm
GO SAMMY!!!
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Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: SweetSensation on August 15, 2007, 10:04:04 am
 Loved Alpha and Omega. Its the best story in the book IMHO. It was too short, I wanted more.  I'm really loving Charles and Anna together and I really cant wait for their books.  At least we have another Mercy book coming soon . It comes out on my B-day. ;D  So I know one gift I'll be requesting.   The ad for Iron Kissed in the back of the book really rocked.  I had never seen it before, it brought up some interesting questions for me to ponder as I wait till Jan 2nd.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Zealith on August 15, 2007, 12:28:48 pm
Thanks, looks like I'll be spending more time in the romance section. :P
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Zealith on August 15, 2007, 12:31:15 pm
Isn't this thread about Alpha and Omega, /not/ Mercy's relationships?
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Cole on August 15, 2007, 05:36:09 pm
it was a reply to jenglows comment about sammy
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Elle on August 15, 2007, 07:48:07 pm
I know that it was implied that Charles was Bran's muscle, it never dawned on me until he said it that he was basically his hit man and that as his second that was his job. Do you think that that's the job of every second? Or just because the Marrok pack oversees the North American packs Bran needs someone to take care of "problems".
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: jenniwee on August 15, 2007, 09:26:55 pm
I got the feeling that in most packs the Alpha was his own hit man.  (Don't ask for textual evidence, I'd have to hunt that down.)  I thought that the seconds helped to enforce the Alpha's rule but that the actual killing was left to the Alpha.

I think in Bran's case, since he oversees all of North America, he needs deputies who can carry out his laws without him actually being present.  From the way Charles goes on in AO, it seems like he has to trouble-shoot fairly often.  At least enough that he doesn't like to form close friendships.

Sorry about the Adam/Sam stuff.  It just seems to spill over into everything.  Thank goodness it will be cleared up in January.  Actually one of the things I liked about AO is that we know how Charles feels.  There is no "Does he love her or not?" crap like we go through with Adam and Sam. 
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Spryte on August 16, 2007, 01:30:07 pm
Thank god for small blessings!! ;)

 On the second/hit-man issue: I think that part of why Charles does it rather than Bran is because Bran has some of the most dominant wolves in the country in his pack (Charles, and Sam when he was in it), not to mention the most unworthy and evil Leah. And it's not like he could just fly around the country. He's the Marrok. Even though he is good at the "Who ME? The most dominant were in America?" thing, people still know him. not many know Charles. Charles can move more quietly and with less risk of being noticed.

On another thread... I love that Charles refers to his wolf as Brother more often than he calls it beast or monster like you get from other wolves. I assume it ties in with the fact that he is Native American, but I think it also shows a depth of character that he can think of his wolf that way when so many others think of it as just a monster. Am I making any sense.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Morgaine0000 on August 16, 2007, 06:12:40 pm
I think Charles might see his wolf differently from everyone else because he was born a wolf.  Everyone else was changed ( frequently against their will) and then had to fight  their wolf for control.   That doesn't seem like it would be conducive to seeing your wolf as a brother.  In Moon Called, Mercy mentioned that Charles had magic (so Bran didn't need to hire a witch), I wonder what all he can do. 
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: jenniwee on August 16, 2007, 07:27:49 pm
Yeah, I think the Brother-wolf has to do with Charles being born a were.  But I also sensed a bit of melancholy over the fact that he doesn't know what it is to be fully human.

I also liked the part where Charles' wolf stopped him from verbally lashing out at Anna.  Like the wolf part of a were's nature is physically agressive but not emotionally.  It's an interesting aspect to the dual nature of weres that I hope we see more of.

On the second/hitman issue, I think it's more of an issue of Bran wanting to remain somewhat anonymous.  Everyone seems to know Charles (or at least who he is), and if not they can sense the dominant nature of his wolf.  Actually, I loved the fact that he could basically cow everyone in a room just by walking in.  So, I think that Charles gets the hit man role by default, simply because he is the second most dominant wolf in North America and Bran doesn't want to do it.  Remember, when Anna first calls the marrock and thinks that Bran must be some sort of secretary, his voice is sad when he tells her he is the Marrock.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Patti L. on August 17, 2007, 11:04:19 am
This is interesting stuff about Omegas.  I'm wondering, having now read the story, if I could get a small clarification.  Whoops!  almost did a spoiler.  Um, are there non-were Omegas?

And, having worked at a big book chain while daVinci Code was out, I can tell you that there is now some awareness in the publishing/bookstore industry (industries?) that mass market (the term I was taught there for pocket sized paperbacks) can generate as much sale date interest as hard covers or trade pb.  (Trade is the nearly hardcover sized pb.)

And, for people who want to read more about wolves without too much dry scientific stuff, read - not watch- Farley Mowat's "Never Cry Wolf".  He was one of the first biologists to go out & camp in a wolf pack's territory & watch them day in & day out.
Non sequiter- Mowat's letters home from WWII are also quoted in the PBS series about that conflict.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: sweetsong5986 on August 17, 2007, 05:40:50 pm
Newbie here, loved this story just like all the others! Would've posted in the other threat but have a couple of spoiler questions/thoughts.

First, there was mention that Anna was an Omega *before* becoming a were and that only Justin would've attacked her... none of the other wolves would've been able to. Wonder what that means hmm? Human Omega would also work on were's? So why don't they just find the human Omega's, not turn them (to not risk them dying) and just have them around?

And I think the reason that Bran doesn't merit out his own justice has to do with his power. I mean, we all know he does a great job of the "don't look at me I'm just a dog" act, but really... we never see him flex his power do we? His sons, other Alphas, we've all read about them unleashing their power at some time or another.. a command or a fight or something. But Bran never does. Is there a reason? He has to be mroe than just "the most dominant" to be the Alpha of all the Alpha's. I think it has something to do with, how in Moon Called, we learned that the Alpha draws power from his pack.. and if the Marrok is the Alpha of all the packs then he's funnelling all the power in North America.. yea? Just a thought.. if he unleashes his power, maybe something awful/cataclysmic could happen

Anyway, got to go, will definately be back
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: jenglows on August 17, 2007, 06:03:19 pm
Remember, when Anna first calls the marrock and thinks that Bran must be some sort of secretary, his voice is sad when he tells her he is the Marrock. 

 To me, it seemed like he was just dismayed by her situation and not by revealing his name. The fact that she was a werewolf in a pack and didn't know the name of the Marrok shows how uninformed she is.  Since part of the Alpha & pack's function is to inform new wolves of their complete situation I think he immediately sensed that her pack had major problems and it sounds like he had something of a friendship with Isabelle and maybe Leo as well.  The dismay might of also been that he knew he would have to send Charles to Isabelle & Leo and it was not the other pack.

Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Elle on August 17, 2007, 07:44:59 pm
I think it has something to do with, how in Moon Called, we learned that the Alpha draws power from his pack.. and if the Marrok is the Alpha of all the packs then he's funnelling all the power in North America.. yea? Just a thought.. if he unleashes his power, maybe something awful/cataclysmic could happen

Okay, that's a really great spin on it. I never would have thought that, now I just really want to see Bran flex his Marrok muscle in some way to see the results.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Spryte on August 17, 2007, 08:31:53 pm
I think it has something to do with, how in Moon Called, we learned that the Alpha draws power from his pack.. and if the Marrok is the Alpha of all the packs then he's funnelling all the power in North America.. yea? Just a thought.. if he unleashes his power, maybe something awful/cataclysmic could happen

Okay, that's a really great spin on it. I never would have thought that, now I just really want to see Bran flex his Marrok muscle in some way to see the results.

Me too! I had never thought about that...
Now I really want to see what happens when Bran uses his I-Am-Alpha power.  :D
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Spryte on August 17, 2007, 09:00:16 pm
Farley Mowat's "Never Cry Wolf" got it. going to find it.  ;D
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: CandyAss on August 18, 2007, 10:29:35 am
I'm glad that Charles and Anna get their own books, I can't wait for their story to continue!!
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Elle on August 18, 2007, 09:59:57 pm
Just flipping through the story I came across this bit of Charles' internal dialogue, one of my favorites:

"He didn't want to scare her any more than she already was. He could have told her that he had no intention of bedding her, but he tried not to lie. Not even to himself. So he stayed silent."

Heh. Oh Charles.

I love that he's all...yup...it's just a matter of time. ;)
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Fairyfreak on August 20, 2007, 05:07:02 am
My favorite sentence in the whole story, (not an exact quote because I don't have my book with me) was when Anna told Charles that she doesn't like sex, because, "under the circumstances, she thought he should know."  Made me laugh.   :D 
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: jenniwee on August 20, 2007, 05:11:47 pm
I liked the way that they handled the instant connection they both felt.  They were both really wary of the whole thing but still interested.  I wanted more of them dancing around each other.  I liked at the end how Charles realized that Anna wouldn't fight against them being together but that she wouldn't make it easy for him.

Just flipping through the story I came across this bit of Charles' internal dialogue, one of my favorites:

"He didn't want to scare her any more than she already was. He could have told her that he had no intention of bedding her, but he tried not to lie. Not even to himself. So he stayed silent."

Heh. Oh Charles.

I love that he's all...yup...it's just a matter of time. ;)

Yeah, all his internal dialogue was pure guy.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: cumak on August 26, 2007, 06:40:14 am
OK, I'm a newly converted Patricia Briggs fan just from reading the short story, Alpha and Omega. I'm looking forward to the next book (due out, I believe July 2008).

I found the characters, just in this very short story and brief plot, both likeable and fully fleshed out. The powerful and sensitive Charles with the PTSS Anna who was finally able to appropriately respond to violence with his support, are characters I want to read more about: How does she grow to understand her abilities under his love and tutelage? How does his role (enforcer for his father requiring him to travel) in the pack in MT affect their relationship? I want to see them more in wolf form and have them interact in wolf form.

I've looked around the internet and am AMAZED that this author has flown below my radar lo these many years. I'm NOT a huge fan of urban fantasy but the book, On the Prowl, is a good way to meet several of the urban fantasy authors without commiting to reading whole series (or worse yet, picking up a "3rd in the series" books) which I seldom do.

Glad to know you, Patty Briggs. I look forward to reading more of your books!
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Patti L. on August 26, 2007, 10:37:15 am
Greetings & hallucinations, Cumak!  I am NOT official.  I am really named Patti-with-an-I, not Patricia-called-Patty, just to be perfectly clear.  I highly approve of your point regarding the anthology form.  I use it often in my attempts to convert mundanes. ;D
Regrettably, Our Hostess has flown beneath a LOT of radar before now.  Check some of the coments regarding her first book, 'Masques'.
Because Urban Fantasy is hot right now, this situation may be rectified.  But if you haven't gathered this all ready, I'd like to make clear to you that the Charles & Anna books, & the related Mercy Thompson books are the only ones that fall into the UF category.  Her others are what you might call High Fantasy.  One of the reasons I love them is the humor she brings in. 
To be honest with all of you, I keep equating her, to some extent, with Patricia C. Wrede, who also does delightful humorous fantasies.
The closer she comes to UF is the, hmm, what do I call the series?  Cecelia & Kate, I guess.  Cece & Kate live in an alternate Regency England, where there's a Royal College of Wizards, along with the Napoleonic wars.  There's also a spin off pair from that, about a street urchin who is taken in hand by what is first thought to be a traveling magic performer.  That's all I'm going to say to avoid being a spoiler, except, 'Your hair will stay up.  ALL NIGHT.' and it did. ;D
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Wanda C on August 26, 2007, 11:46:25 am
I'm also a new Patricia Briggs reader and found her by reading this anthology. I loved this story and went right out and got the first two in the Mercy series. I can hardly wait for the next books in both series.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Spryte on August 26, 2007, 12:15:35 pm
I love it when more and more people read really good books. I'm doin' my best to spread the love around here in Little Rock. I've got four new readers. Three of which I am proud to say have become Patty Addicts. *contented sigh*

Can't wait until next August! I don't know If I will be able to make it a whole year with out reading the short story so much that I know it by heart.  ;D
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: jenglows on August 27, 2007, 01:42:35 pm
Anthologies are a great way to find new authors and On the Prowl is sure to bring a ton of new fans to Patty !!   ;D
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Reu on August 27, 2007, 09:10:41 pm
In regards to Bran, I think he uses his sons/seconds, because unlike most Alphas, Bran has the whole of the US to worry about, as well as his pack.  He is there to settle disputes, but he also has to be home to handle any strife there.  When trouble does reach his ears, he investigates by sending out Charles, or one of his pack.  But he does have to stay put for the most part in order to be reachable if something worse comes up - at home or in another part of the country.

It's also a bit of power that Bran doesn't go himself.  Why should he go, when someone under him will be able to handle it.  As a close friend of mine says jokingly, "I got people for that."   

Makes you wonder what sort of pack trouble it would take for Bran to leave Montana.  We know a demon will do it, but what about normal werewolf trouble? What would it take for Bran to interfere?
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Patti L. on August 27, 2007, 09:53:36 pm
Well, he did come to Chicago to see what happened to Charles, and to the TriCities.  There are two indicators.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: jenglows on August 28, 2007, 07:12:46 am
Yeah,  I think that if his sons are in danger (  Demon in tricities and the chicago situation)  Bran would be there in a flash, but I like Reu's evaluation :)  "I got people for that"  hehehheee ;D
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: rolange on August 28, 2007, 09:34:47 am
. It made me look at the Sam/Mercy pairing in a different way and appreciate it on a different level that I had been doing previously. I'm still Team Adam ;) but I'm more lenient to Sam than I was before.

You know, I have to agree with you, All of in fact.  I'm team Adam,  but there is something about that dang Sam.....
 


Sooo happy to see that my Man is slowly winning over the hearts and minds    ;D GO Team SAM !!!!   :-* :-* :-*

I just ordered On the Prowl. I can't wait to read the Anna and Charles story, especially for the insights into the Marrok and Sam in particular. I love Sam too!! I hadn't expected the story to expound so much on Bran and his sons but, in truth, that's what's made me want to read it. I'll post again once I've read the story. Yee!
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Grey Drakkon on August 28, 2007, 06:40:16 pm
Just got and read the short story. :)  I too agree, WAY too short!  I would have loved it if it could have been even a few more pages of the interaction between Charles and Anna...Way to tease Patty! 
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Has on August 29, 2007, 06:55:39 am
I got the book today - YAY I am going to get stuck into it tonight and I can put in my two pennies as well  :D
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: celeber on August 29, 2007, 08:56:29 am
I really enjoyed the story. I love the Omega and the insight into wolf bonding. It did help me understand Sam and Mercy a bit better.
I can not wait for this series to hit the stores. I am ready for more Charles and Anna.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: jenniwee on August 29, 2007, 07:26:08 pm
In regards to Bran, I think he uses his sons/seconds, because unlike most Alphas, Bran has the whole of the US to worry about, as well as his pack.  He is there to settle disputes, but he also has to be home to handle any strife there.  When trouble does reach his ears, he investigates by sending out Charles, or one of his pack.  But he does have to stay put for the most part in order to be reachable if something worse comes up - at home or in another part of the country.

Yeah, that's a good point.  And, like you say Reu, Charles is his investigater.  The Marrock can't really spend all of his time harrying about the country trying to figure out which situations are truly serious.

Plus, the fact that Bran's second is powerful enough to defeat any of the wolves who might be causing problems adds a bit to the Marrock's mystique.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Grey Drakkon on August 29, 2007, 08:21:19 pm
Hey, stop me if I'm wrong, but several times he wound up changing and getting torn clothes, but in the first Mercy book didn't he change and have clothes form on him, or was it just that he was standing in the nude in the snow without feeling it?  I can't check since I lent it to a friend. 
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: jenglows on August 29, 2007, 08:26:51 pm
He creates clothes by magic.  Something in animal fur I think...
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Spryte on August 30, 2007, 12:39:29 pm
I want to say deerskin. I can chech real quick.....

It's fur-lined buckskins MC pg 81.

Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Faellie on August 30, 2007, 01:26:02 pm
I loved the story.  I was a bit worried about Patty's comment on the books page that it turned out to be more of a romance than she expected, because I thought we might get too much relationship development in too few pages.  I should have trusted her writing skills more.  The relationship has only just started, and there's plenty to look forward to in the next Charles and Anna story.

It's because I could happily read everything Patty writes, even if there were ten times as much of it, that I agree with Grey Drakkon:


WAY too short!  
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Spryte on August 30, 2007, 06:43:03 pm
Well, that's the problem with short stories folks.

They're short.  ;)

And, yes I wish she could have added a bit here, explained some more there, but I console myself by knowing that a whole book is coming out next august.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Perkinator on August 31, 2007, 05:37:26 pm
Just a side note...

Charles seemed less stuffy in Alpha and Omega than he did in the Mercy books. I was actually amused when he glared at the SUV.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Elle on August 31, 2007, 06:44:02 pm
I agree with you Perkinator, you have a fabulous forum name btw, I love it!.

He came across very quiet and serious in Moon Called. We really learn, even in the few pages of Alpha and Omega, a lot about his character that revealed a lot of facets to his character that his short introduction in MC couldn't allow. I really enjoyed that too. :)
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: jenniwee on September 01, 2007, 11:41:09 am
Mercy says he treats everyone with "remote courtesy" (MC 84).  I think his behaviour stems more from his role as Bran's hitman than anything else.  He says in A&O that he has few friends (just Bran and Sam) because he never knows when he may be called on to investigate them.  I think he seems more human in A&O because of the narration style.  Actually, the conflict Charles feels over his assigned role and the contrast between his public countenance and actual personality could be an interesting development in the Anna/Charles books.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Perkinator on September 02, 2007, 06:24:55 am
I agree with you Perkinator, you have a fabulous forum name btw, I love it!.

He came across very quiet and serious in Moon Called. We really learn, even in the few pages of Alpha and Omega, a lot about his character that revealed a lot of facets to his character that his short introduction in MC couldn't allow. I really enjoyed that too. :)

Why thank you..I confess, I named myself after my misspelled coffee pot. It is an oldfashioned percolater kind...only we call it the Perkinator...

Stuffy..then there was Charles getting on Darren's case about driving too fast in Blood Bound. I laughed outloud at that one.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Elle on September 02, 2007, 04:02:42 pm
That was funny wasn't it? Well...if he hadn't been speeding we would've been here 10 minutes ago. :D

Perkinator...you should head over to the introduction section. There's a forum name thread over there. Share the Perkinator origins with everyone. :D Too cute.

I do feel bad for Charles...it seems like his job does prevent him from forming close bonds with any other werewolves. I'm glad he's met Anna, I think he'll definitely come out of his shell more.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Perkinator on September 02, 2007, 05:12:22 pm
That was funny wasn't it? Well...if he hadn't been speeding we would've been here 10 minutes ago. :D

Perkinator...you should head over to the introduction section. There's a forum name thread over there. Share the Perkinator origins with everyone. :D Too cute.

I do feel bad for Charles...it seems like his job does prevent him from forming close bonds with any other werewolves. I'm glad he's met Anna, I think he'll definitely come out of his shell more.

Yup...I think Charles is in a 200 year rut. Anna will be good for him. She isn't forced to do what he orders, since she is somewhat out of the werewolves' fraternal patriarchy. Likewise, Charles will be good for Anna.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Collaroy on September 05, 2007, 01:33:36 am
Whoot! Finally got to read A&O myself, and I thought it was an awesome introduction to Anna and Charles. When their first book hits the shelves we can skip most of the get-to-know-stuff and jump right into the story. I didn't think I'd like it as much because usually I don't like short stories (they're too short, and I love books with 800+ pages) and I almost NEVER like spin-offs (usually they're just an attempt to milk a successful cow even more), but to me it was perfect. Sure, it could have been longer, but it only makes me look forward to the 'real' books more. The characters were really interesting and I can't wait to see what's in store for them. Plus, as it has been mentioned here before, there were even some valuable insights into wolf/human/mate.

I particularly liked that Anna is very different from Mercy. Don't get me wrong, I looove Mercy, but it would have been boring to have two similar heroines. I think the Charles & Anna books will be pretty different from the Mercy series, which I think is awesome- this way, we'll get two sets of characters in the same interesting world. I said it before and I'll say it again: whoot! ;D

Yup...I think Charles is in a 200 year rut. Anna will be good for him. She isn't forced to do what he orders, since she is somewhat out of the werewolves' fraternal patriarchy. Likewise, Charles will be good for Anna.

Think so too. Anna will shake him up a bit, and he'll restore some of her trust in herself and others. It's a win-win!
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: jenniwee on September 05, 2007, 09:44:49 pm
I particularly liked that Anna is very different from Mercy. Don't get me wrong, I looove Mercy, but it would have been boring to have two similar heroines. I think the Charles & Anna books will be pretty different from the Mercy series, which I think is awesome- this way, we'll get two sets of characters in the same interesting world.

One of Patty's strengths (and IMO part of why she is such a good writer) is her ability to create such diverse characters.  Even though they occasionally share characteristics, each is very much an individual. 

One of the things that frequently drives me crazy in highly prolific authors is that after a while they just write the same characters over and over again.  To the point where the dialogue becomes trite.  It's actually one of the main reasons that I stop reading certain authors (I could name two off the top of my head but that would be mean).

It is really exciting to me that Patty seems to be getting better at delineating her characters the more she writes.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Spryte on September 06, 2007, 03:21:44 pm
Mercy says he treats everyone with "remote courtesy" (MC 84).  I think his behaviour stems more from his role as Bran's hitman than anything else.  He says in A&O that he has few friends (just Bran and Sam) because he never knows when he may be called on to investigate them.  I think he seems more human in A&O because of the narration style.  Actually, the conflict Charles feels over his assigned role and the contrast between his public countenance and actual personality could be an interesting development in the Anna/Charles books.

Not to mention that Mercy was not the most liked person involved with Bran's pack. As Bran's second Charles probably tries not to show favoritism to anyone, but especially not to a coyote girl because showing those things would get him enemies he doesn't need or want. And a werewolf could carry a grudge for a very long time.... And prob. part of why he was sooo distant in MC was because Mercy's visit stirred the S*** to a major degree. And Charles had to have known that from that point on he was "on duty".
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: jenniwee on September 09, 2007, 05:58:14 pm
I hope the future books explore how his role in his father's pack affects Charles and how the role came to be his.  I also can't wait to see how Anna impacts his role.  Probably a fun mix of hindering and helping.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Morgaine0000 on September 09, 2007, 07:26:04 pm
Not to mention that Mercy was not the most liked person involved with Bran's pack. As Bran's second Charles probably tries not to show favoritism to anyone, but especially not to a coyote girl because showing those things would get him enemies he doesn't need or want. And a werewolf could carry a grudge for a very long time.... And prob. part of why he was sooo distant in MC was because Mercy's visit stirred the S*** to a major degree. And Charles had to have known that from that point on he was "on duty".

I  don't think  the fact that Mercy is a walker or had enemies in Bran's pack would affect Charles interactions with her.  It seems more likely that he just wasn't interested in  interacting with her.  She left when she was 16 or so, so most of the time she was with Bran's pack she was a child.   She did not live with Bran's family.  A lot of adults who don't have children don't particularly like interacting with them.    And during their brief interaction in Moon Called, he did tried to comfort her about  the dead wolf. 
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: DeDanann on September 09, 2007, 08:26:29 pm
I wonder if having Anna around will sweeten Leah's disposition any?  If for some reason Leah decided to be mean to Anna, I doubt Charles would stand for it.  That would certainly cause some dissension in the ranks!  Of course, Leah might be perfectly nice to everyone but Mercy--no way to know about that for sure.  :-\  Still, I can't help wishing that Leah had been able to rise above her personal prejudices against Mercy and treat her better just because it would have been the right thing to do.  It would have made me think better of Leah.  I hope Anna brings out all of the best in Leah; then everyone concerned will be happier!   :)

That said, Leah not liking Anna would make an interesting conflict story-wise... 8)
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Collaroy on September 10, 2007, 09:30:00 pm
That said, Leah not liking Anna would make an interesting conflict story-wise... 8)
It would... but then Leah would just be that character who ends up hating everybody (or at least every female outsider). Personally, I'd prefer that Leah shows a different aspect of a character. So far we've only seen her bitchy side (no pun intended), I think it'd be nice to see that she's not always like that. On the other side, it'd be better drama if she didn't like Anna. So... I don't know. I guess each way would be fine with me.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Patti L. on September 10, 2007, 09:34:35 pm
I'm thinking some of each.  Initially wary, but the omega effect smoothing things out, maybe helping Leah deal with Mercy a little better.

I stress LITTLE here.  I just think, myself, that there's always going to be some antagonism there. :)
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: sweetsong5986 on September 11, 2007, 06:47:39 am
Why doesn't Leah like Mercy anyway? I mean, the females in Adam's pack don't like her because she's technically his mate and they owe her obediance or something... i see that. But what is Leah's problem? And wasn't there mention in MC that *none* of the women in Bran's pack liked Mercy?
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: jenglows on September 11, 2007, 08:32:40 am
Why doesn't Leah like Mercy anyway? I mean, the females in Adam's pack don't like her because she's technically his mate and they owe her obediance or something... i see that. But what is Leah's problem? And wasn't there mention in MC that *none* of the women in Bran's pack liked Mercy?

Well, we all have different views on that.  I think Leah's a nasty person(likely to also be nasty to Anna, IMO) and is bitter and resentful of Mercy for several reasons:  standing with Bran, Fertility issues, issues with her as a possible mate for Sam, resentful of her(Mercy's) independance and willfull attitude.  We don't actually know any details, so it's all conjecture.  I would say that you can read the Bran & Leah thread, but I hate back reading threads and I never do it :)
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Patti L. on September 11, 2007, 08:24:11 pm
You're right, Jenglows.  All opinion & so on, lots of fun to speculate.
I kind of like to read back on threads, myself.  That way I don't repeat stuff other people have already said, & maybe dismissed.  BUT
that's because I can make a boob out of myself so many other ways!  :-[
It also helps make sense of what's being written now if you look at the title of a thread, go to the most recent posts, & don't see it having anything to do with the title, because of people like me blithering about something else. ;D ;D
But sometimes that last post is the only thing you need or want, so that's cool. 8)  There.  Now my post is cool, even if I'm not! ;D
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Collaroy on September 16, 2007, 11:57:12 pm
I would say that you can read the Bran & Leah thread, but I hate back reading threads and I never do it :)
:-[ Yeah, me neither... I only read back the last 10 posts or so... it's not that I'm lazy, really, it's just that I'm absolutely convinced that what I have to say has never been said before anyway (like "I want Mercy to be with Adam!", or "I really like Patty Briggs' books") and that my opinion is the only good one (like "Mercy should be with Adam"). So, why would I read back on other people's threads? I rather focus on enlightening everybody with my wisdom. *cough* ;)
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Patti L. on September 17, 2007, 06:41:15 am
In the meantime, I like that Charles grows his hair so long.  Do you notice that neither he nor Samuel seem to look like their father?
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Collaroy on September 17, 2007, 09:11:04 am
Maybe that's a werewolf thing?

I'm a fan of short hair, but the long hair suits Charles. Goes well with his character somehow.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: jenglows on September 17, 2007, 12:14:16 pm
In the meantime, I like that Charles grows his hair so long.  Do you notice that neither he nor Samuel seem to look like their father?
I think that just happens sometimes.  :)  Occasionally kid's features really favor one parent over the other.  Both my children look like duplicates of my husband and not at all like me :P.  I'm dark ( dark hair, tan, dark eyes) and they are very fair(blue eyes, blond), in addition to the fact that we don't really share facial features.  I actually have had people comment on it or ask me if I'm the nanny! ::)
  I've also met Moms with daughters that look so similar it amazes me... :)
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: jackie on September 17, 2007, 04:06:49 pm
Ain't genetics fun?  I am fair - I sunburn terribly -  but my son lucked out and inherited his Dad's ability to tan.  I'm surprised you're kids are fair - light coloring is usually recessive.  obviously it's not that simple.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Patti L. on September 17, 2007, 05:49:48 pm
Yeah, it really is a gamble.  I was the 4th of 5, & apparently (and I wonder about my nearly black haired brother, maybe he meant girls only?) the first born with dark hair.  My dad seems to have teased our mom about it, but she was light haired as a youngster, & darkened.  I think Jim & I take most after the NA part of our heritage, other than youngest sister's much envied thick head of hair that grows quickly.  She had her scalp shaved a few years ago after a head injury, & has a waist length two finger thick -at the bottom end! *sob* - braid again.  But, only the oldest of us didn't get eyes that are some shade of brown.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Spryte on September 17, 2007, 07:28:35 pm
I don't share facial features with either of my parents.... I look like my aunt, but I have the same body type as my father (tall and skinny), and have brown hair with red and blond highlights..... But brother #1 is short and rather square and has really red hair, and Brother #2 is really tall (for a three year old... he's like 80th percentile on height) and has really blond hair. So none of us look anything alike.... it's really odd.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: jenniwee on September 22, 2007, 01:25:34 pm
Actually, I got the impression that Sam and Bran looked somewhat alike.  Except that Sam has about 6 inches on his father.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Iris101 on September 22, 2007, 03:42:43 pm
lol me too :)
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Bruerun on September 24, 2007, 06:27:26 pm
Just a side note...

Charles seemed less stuffy in Alpha and Omega than he did in the Mercy books. I was actually amused when he glared at the SUV.


Perk!  Is that you? I mean the Perk I know....lol small world?
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: jenniwee on September 24, 2007, 09:55:16 pm
Going back to Mercy and Charles.  (Can't fugire out how to quote from that far back.  Stupid computer illiteracy  :-[)

There's an interesting dichotomy to the scene where Charles hugs her.  She notes that she always thought he despised her, but here he seems to be treating her with affection.

I wonder if he was fond of Mercy (fond, not anything more) but always thought that he may be called on the kill her one day.  We know from A&O that he deliberately keeps himself distant from people because he might one day be called on to execute them.  We also know that Mercy never really fit in with Bran's pack and probably caused her fair share of trouble.  After learning more about Charles, I would think that he would find her endearing, and annoyingly amusing, much as his father seems to.  But, knowing how most of the pack, particularly the women, led by Leah, see Mercy, he could have anticipated that one day, she would make his hit list.  With that in the back of his head, he may have been even more distant with Mercy than he is with most people, and what she picked up on and read as loathing, was really a form of self-protection.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Patti L. on September 24, 2007, 10:18:07 pm
Going back to Mercy and Charles.  (Can't fugire out how to quote from that far back.  Stupid computer illiteracy  :-[)

There's an interesting dichotomy to the scene where Charles hugs her.  She notes that she always thought he despised her, but here he seems to be treating her with affection.

I wonder if he was fond of Mercy (fond, not anything more) but always thought that he may be called on the kill her one day.  We know from A&O that he deliberately keeps himself distant from people because he might one day be called on to execute them.  We also know that Mercy never really fit in with Bran's pack and probably caused her fair share of trouble.  After learning more about Charles, I would think that he would find her endearing, and annoyingly amusing, much as his father seems to.  But, knowing how most of the pack, particularly the women, led by Leah, see Mercy, he could have anticipated that one day, she would make his hit list.  With that in the back of his head, he may have been even more distant with Mercy than he is with most people, and what she picked up on and read as loathing, was really a form of self-protection.
Good point, Jenniwee.  I wouldn't be surprised if his NA heritage isn't informing his behavior toward her too.  He'd have more idea about what her Walker blood can lead her to, & the whole mythology of coyote tricksters would color his thinking about her as well, I suspect.  And growing up when the west was still wild, he'd have a better idea than most about how coyotes fit into the mental/emotional ecology with wolves along with the physical ecology. (boy, do I sound fancy, or what? ;D)
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Collaroy on September 24, 2007, 10:21:49 pm
There's an interesting dichotomy to the scene where Charles hugs her.  She notes that she always thought he despised her, but here he seems to be treating her with affection.

I wonder if he was fond of Mercy (fond, not anything more) but always thought that he may be called on the kill her one day.  We know from A&O that he deliberately keeps himself distant from people because he might one day be called on to execute them.  We also know that Mercy never really fit in with Bran's pack and probably caused her fair share of trouble.  After learning more about Charles, I would think that he would find her endearing, and annoyingly amusing, much as his father seems to.  But, knowing how most of the pack, particularly the women, led by Leah, see Mercy, he could have anticipated that one day, she would make his hit list.  With that in the back of his head, he may have been even more distant with Mercy than he is with most people, and what she picked up on and read as loathing, was really a form of self-protection.
Oooh, I like that theory. I think it makes perfect sense- Charles is one of the good guys and seems to share quite a lot of his father's values and opinions, it would be weird if he didn't like Mercy.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Spryte on September 28, 2007, 01:41:16 pm
I like the theory... and after reading Alpha and Omega... it just SOUNDS like Charles.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on November 10, 2007, 09:08:08 pm
i am soo eager to read this ;D
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Sofy on January 11, 2008, 10:37:20 am
VERY GOOD ! ;D

I've just finished the anthology On the Prowl and now I can't wait to read Charles and Anna book.  :P
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Midangel on January 19, 2008, 04:43:26 pm
Just read it the other day and I LOVED IT.

Bring on the Charles and Anna book!!!!!
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: charmed on January 19, 2008, 04:46:06 pm
Sofy and midangel, one of you could offer to host this book at KA. :D

I loved the short story and want the book NOW!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Has on January 19, 2008, 04:53:54 pm
I suggested it  along with Elizabeth Vaughan's and Maria V. Snyder's latest- I am not sure if Kelly will choose it since IK is the feb book but I am hopeful she does  ;D
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: charmed on January 19, 2008, 04:59:36 pm
She probably won't do the same author in one year but we can try!!
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: mercycalling on January 25, 2008, 07:34:06 pm
I understand the theory completely but I just don't see how you could care about someone and yet keep them at arms length. It just doesn't seem far that he has to distance himself from everyone around him. Couldn't Bran find someone else besides Charles to do the job? :-[ :-[


The one, the only, Mercy !
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: rox_squirrel on February 05, 2008, 03:47:59 pm
i think that charles being second in the Marrock pack (at least i'm pretty sure he's second) means that he's dominate enough to kick other werewolf butt and also have enough authority to decide when he needs to kick butt,

based on that, i think it nearly had to be him
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Patti L. on February 06, 2008, 09:27:19 am
I believe that the 'enforcer' job is almost always delegated to pack second, for anything but leadership issues, so if Charles is Bran's second, yes, it would have to be him.
Hello, Rox_squirrel.  Have you met the Sergeant of Squirrels, & Pyro, the albino squirrel?
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: jenniwee on February 08, 2008, 01:23:55 pm
My impression from A&O was that Charles always tried to keep people at arms length.  I don't think his position is necessarily fair to him, but as we've seen, life in the pack is not always going to be.  I think if he ever developed a real problem with it, Bran would let him off the hook.  But I got the feeling that even beyond the enforcer issue, Charles tried to keep himself from getting hurt by people.  He reacts so strongly when he has to tell the story of his mother, it's as if her death (for many children it feels like abandonment) made him exceptionally vulnerable to relationships ending badly, so he tries to avoid them as much as possible.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: malika on February 09, 2008, 04:08:49 pm
I empathize with Charles, I am naturally reticent and a bit resistant to getting emotionally involved with too many people as well. I think maybe he was that way first, and then that made him the perfect one for the job of Bran's enforcer, rather than Samuel who gets attached too much...
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Dobbythehouseelf on March 02, 2008, 09:00:43 pm
I loved this story so much.  I can't wait to see Anna and Charles in a full length novel.  I have a feeling it will still be too short :) 
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Jasmin on March 12, 2008, 07:23:23 pm
I just needed to say that I really enjoyed the "Alpha and Omega" novella. It certainly tied up the loose ends left from "Moon Called" and it seemed to expand the werewolf world. I like the idea of two strangers, whose wolves are instantly compatible but the people are on uneven ground. This odd couple has sent my mind wandering.
I can imagine Charles and Anna being more comfortable hunting together than going to a movie together. They don't even know what type of movies or music the other would like. I'm also imagining Anna being thrown into a world she's been afraid of but its the only world Charles has ever known.
I can't wait til the next Charles and Anna book, but I know that good stories take time. So I'll just re-read the Raven series in the meantime.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: white_unicorn on May 26, 2008, 09:30:01 am
I just LOVED the story and can't wait for the book which no doubt I will finish shortly after its arrival. I just re-read (for the 2nd or 3rd time) the Mercy series and cannot wait for the next.

I am not sure if this has been said before, but:

In Moon Called though Bran talks about a team he sent to Chicago and says nothing about Isabella being crazy. I do understand that Moon Called could not be re-written to put the story of Charles in and that Alpha and Omega would not have worked the way it had (which i adoreeed) if there was a team with Charles.

Plus my favorite scene is the time that Charles comes out of the bathroom in wolf form while Anna says he would sleep on the bed.... Hilarious....

I love these books.... maybe at some point my stories (that are not as efficient) will come out of their hiding places..... :)
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Patti L. on May 26, 2008, 12:32:39 pm
Hello, White Unicorn!  You made me wonder if maybe by the time Bran mentioned what was happening in Chicago he'd already in some fashion determined that Charles & Anna were becoming a team?  And remember, no-one outside Chicago & Leo's pack knew that Isabella was crazy until the confrontation.   By the time anyone was really ready to tell him what was going on, he was in Chicago himself.

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Title: Charles Driving?
Post by: white_unicorn on May 27, 2008, 12:18:34 am
Ok, this might be already asked but from a quick search I didn't find anything.

Ok, so the question I was really wondering on is whe3ther Charles is actually driving (Which probably he is) but in MC Mercy is 'surprised' when he has to gel Alan's body to whrever he takes it... and he says the other guy (sorry can't recall his name) will drive. Yet later she says Charles drove her to the station when she left Montana and in A&O he was 'angry' on having to find Anna in the first place so that he couldn't go to the car rental. Does that make any sense?  :D

I guess he doesn't enjoy driving but if he has to he drives.... (How much sense do i make?)


PS: since English is my 2nd language I hope you do understand my english..... ;D
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: white_unicorn on May 27, 2008, 12:30:44 am
Hello, White Unicorn!  You made me wonder if maybe by the time Bran mentioned what was happening in Chicago he'd already in some fashion determined that Charles & Anna were becoming a team?  And remember, no-one outside Chicago & Leo's pack knew that Isabella was crazy until the confrontation.   By the time anyone was really ready to tell him what was going on, he was in Chicago himself.

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That could be it.... After all he is a bit psychic.... ;) The more I think about it the more sense it makes. He had Anna tell him what happened from the very beginning so he could say that he 'sent' the team.

I can't wait to hear what Samuel will have to say when he does find out.... "He'd finally learned that his face wouldn't crack if he smiled." And his wolf taking her as mate in less than a day.... Bran must have had the laugh of the day, (if not more) about that.....

As for my stories the ones I did write in english are still in handwriting.... the others that are mostly in PC format are in Greek....

:D

Title: Re: Charles Driving?
Post by: Snoopy on May 27, 2008, 12:57:30 am
Hi white_unicorn, welcome to the forum!! Your English is fine, honestly!!

I seem to I remember reading posts about Charles and his driving in some thread or the other, but I couldn't find it now, either.

I guess he doesn't enjoy driving but if he has to he drives.... (How much sense do i make?)
That's exactly how I would have put it!! He prefers horses because that way he gets the 'feel' of the land, if I remember correctly, where as a car cuts him off from the outside and goes too fast.

Maybe he'd enjoy a convertible?!  :D
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Snoopy on May 27, 2008, 01:08:57 am
After all he is a bit psychic.... ;) 
You don't watch Frasier, by any chance??  :D

I can't wait to hear what Samuel will have to say when he does find out.... "He'd finally learned that his face wouldn't crack if he smiled."
Yes, me too, me too!! That part made me LOL!! ;)


If you ever want help/suggestions concerning your writing - in English ;) - I can very much recommend posting snippets of your stories in the Writer's Block!! I posted my first one not too long ago, and the response was overwhelming and very helpful. There are no bad critiques allowed here, so no worries!!  :D
Title: Re: Charles Driving?
Post by: white_unicorn on May 27, 2008, 02:18:27 am
I know I would love a convertible....... haha thanks!
Title: Re: Charles Driving?
Post by: Patti L. on May 27, 2008, 09:03:08 am
You two have about got it there.  Charles doesn't like the speed, keeping him from seeing, smelling, hearing the world beyond the car, & cars are stupid, they only do what they're told.  You can't point a car toward it's home pasture or stall & have it head there itself, & all the other objections to them made as they began to replace horses & buggys.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Tanis143 on May 31, 2008, 06:54:44 pm
I just read the "Alpha and Omega" novella and I know I'm going to be just as hooked on those as I am on the Mercy series. The only thing that struck me odd was that Charles is not an Alpha, though he has the dominance need for one. Maybe this will prompt him to start his own pack? The only thing I somewhat disliked about the novella was that it was too condensed, too many unanswered questions. Maybe these will be filled in the upcoming book. I hope so, otherwise my imagination will go nuts with all the possibilities.

And the best part, August is my birth month! What a great present that will be, a new book that I will probably devour in about 3 hours then spend many many months waiting for it (or until the next Mercy novel).
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Zealith on May 31, 2008, 07:07:32 pm
Just because you are dominate enough to start a pack doesn't mean you want the responsabilities that come with it.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Patti L. on May 31, 2008, 07:53:18 pm
Exactly, Zealith!  Just because you can, it doesn't mean you want to; just like Warren.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Ellyll on June 01, 2008, 06:02:12 pm
Or Sam.
Title: Re: Charles Driving?
Post by: Grey Drakkon on June 07, 2008, 01:25:00 pm
You know the real reason he doesn't like driving?  Sticking his  head out the window is too compelling for him. >;D 
Title: Re: Charles Driving?
Post by: Patti L. on June 07, 2008, 02:45:13 pm
Quote
You know the real reason he doesn't like driving?  Sticking his  head out the window is too compelling for him.
;D  Grey!   :D ;D
Title: Re: Charles Driving?
Post by: Has on June 07, 2008, 02:49:45 pm
Hey his brother loved doing that! But I bet he couldnt because he wouldnt want affect his image of badass enforcer Charles :D
Now that he has Anna I bet he can join the ranks of stick his head out of the window ;D
Title: Re: Charles Driving?
Post by: dsgholam on June 07, 2008, 04:44:57 pm
The last chat with Patty, someone, and I'm sorry but I can't remember who, asked a question about how Mercy said Charles doesn't drive in Moon Called and then 10 or so pages later talked about him driving her to the train station, and said it was just an honest mistake. It seems like the happy medium Charles has settled into is not liking to drive, but being willing to under certain circumstances.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Tanis143 on June 08, 2008, 05:36:23 pm
Just because you are dominate enough to start a pack doesn't mean you want the responsabilities that come with it.

Oh I think Charles would handle the responsibilities just fine, I just don't think he's had a chance to even think about starting his own pack. That, or maybe Bran is grooming him to take over once he passes.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Patti L. on June 08, 2008, 05:45:27 pm
Given his age, would that be wise?
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Ellyll on June 08, 2008, 05:49:45 pm
 ???  You lost me there, Patti. 
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Patti L. on June 08, 2008, 05:52:21 pm
Oh, well, Charles is already around 200, he could go wonky like Isabella did any time now, in theory.
Although it hasn't happened to either Bran or Sam yet.  And they're older by some unknown amounts. 
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Ellyll on June 08, 2008, 05:59:03 pm
Yeah, I don't think prospective madness would be a consideration.  It doesn't sound like something that's guaranteed to happen. 
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: jenniwee on June 09, 2008, 12:32:06 pm
I got the feeling that the age-related madness started when wolves were a bit older than 200.  Plus, I'm sure it depends on the wolf.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: dsgholam on June 09, 2008, 02:26:13 pm
It might be even less of a concern with Charles because he was born a wolf, so he and his "wolf-brother" have had their whole life to get used to each other. Also, there doesn't seem to be another example of anyone born a werewolf, so it would be the next thing to impossible to speculate on whether or not the madness would affect him. Well, speculation would be fine, but next thing to impossible to know.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: ArtAngel on June 09, 2008, 10:43:29 pm
Another point about Charles being an Alpha but not having his own pack: As Bran's second Charles is in a position of authority over every other Alpha in the country, and I cannot see them bowing to his decisions just based on his closeness to Bran. He would have to be dominant to them in his own right as well. So Bran is almost forced to have an Alpha as his second unless he wanted to do everything himself, which would be way too much for anyone to handle.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: jenniwee on June 10, 2008, 07:33:51 am
In MC, Mercy says lists the dominants like this:

1st--Bran
2nd--Charles
3rd--Samuel
4th--Adam

Which implies that Charles is the second most dominant wolf in Bran's territory.  I imagine most Alphas know exactly where they fit on that list.  Plus I think that Artangel makes a good point, Bran has to have an extremely dominant second, if he's going to use him to keep the packs in line.  Otherwise, some Alpha would just kill him when he came to investigate something.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: white_unicorn on June 10, 2008, 09:14:03 am
I can imagine Charles and Anna being more comfortable hunting together than going to a movie together. They don't even know what type of movies or music the other would like.

I am not sure I can imagine Charles in a cinema where there would be a) lots of people, b)the constant smell of popcorn and various other things, but most importantly I can't imagine Charles in a place where he wouldn't be able to defend himself and Anna.... Though with Anna.... eh, the Omega effect has a lot yet to do.... he might even make it....

Though if I remember well when Charles was a wolf, after he was shot she was reacting more like his mate than she wanted to admit... it might have been the wolf instinct... it might not.... In the end though I thought she was afraid they would leave her in Chicago. (That Bran would leave her behind....)
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Tanis143 on June 17, 2008, 07:26:03 pm
From the excerpt I can see that Anna has a lot of wounds to heal, or at least come to terms with. Notice that with Charles gone she's back to her meek self. I think thats because her wolf side did not like the fact that she was accepting what was being done to her. Only when her wolf side met her mate did the wolf side come out. Now that Charles is away recuperating her wolf side is giving back over to her human side. This is also evident when they first met and Justin showed up at the apartment. Notice how she started to fight back? How often has that happened?

One thing I can see her working on is trusting her wolf side more even when she is not next to Charles. I could easily see her becoming a strong willed being, both human and wolf side.


GAW! I want July to get here so I can get the book!
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Driver on August 18, 2008, 01:06:06 pm
Regarding early coment about Charles going nuts Anna is a  Omega which stops other wolves from going mad and as they are now together ;) this will never happen.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Patti L. on August 18, 2008, 01:18:27 pm
Never say never:  what if the same thing happens to Charles that happened to Asil?  Or what happened to Mercy in Iron Kissed?
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Driver on August 18, 2008, 01:36:06 pm
Point but unlikely. that is unless somthing happens to Anna what would happen then? and if she was still alive would she be abale to bring him back to sanitey.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: white_unicorn on September 04, 2008, 11:21:11 pm
Never say never:  what if the same thing happens to Charles that happened to Asil?  Or what happened to Mercy in Iron Kissed?

sure, never say never... but. Asil got like that after Sarai died by torture. Anna has already been through a lot. Having her going through anything like that again would probably be too excessive....

And, I don't see Charles leaving her so unprotected. it would be off character for him. the worst case scenario I can think of is something happening to Charles and Anna not being able to cope... but I try to be optimistic... they still have quite a few issues to work on it wouldn't do to have them tortured even more....
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Katie on September 30, 2008, 04:10:49 am
Okay you'll have to forgive me if I have just flood this topic, but it's my first post and I am the first to admit I'm way over eager I promise my next one will be much less.

Charles aging
I think maybe that most werewolves go a bit fruity when they get old cos they are weak in the head to start with, I can not remember which book it was in but someone once wrote that only the incredibly strong of mind and character can survive the affect of the supernatural in them due to the inherent weaknesses in humans, desire for power that corrupts etc, ability / strength required to walk the line between and in both the worlds. Also in the Anne Rice novels the uniqueness of the brad pitt vamp (sorry it has been ages since I read them) was that he was able to change and adapt with the world around him. He was able to embrace each new age that he was confronted with as he aged and thus survive and flourish. So maybe it is related to an inner strength of character not seen or detectable, an adaptability and aptitude for change. Charles while he has a dislike for the commercial world / city life / crush of the modern world has embraced modern convinenance in other areas of life which I think are traits that tend to showing he will age well.

Charles own pack
I was originally going to say that I do not think Charles would ever be interested in starting his own pack, he may take it all over when Bran decides to pass it on, but I just do not think he wants to have to manage all the inner pack politics that an Alpha would have to deal with, at the moment. But thinking about it Anna is going to be doing a lot of healing possibly and very well may start to collect strays so Charles may not get a choice in the matter of dealing more with the everyday pack politics that comes out of who Anna is. Never say never rules.
But there is no better mate for an Omega then Charles as shown in his ability to love Anna out of and through her scars.

Just a side note, dominance alone can not solve all issues, and a dominance run pack is not a happy pack. Alphas have to be more than just dominant to protect the wolves in his pack and hold them together as a interlocking unit.

Okay did I just take the stakes as the worst forum poster in the world - sorry I have so been sucked into this world and I love it! Love it!
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Patti L. on September 30, 2008, 09:36:28 am
We've seen, and can probably point you to worse, Katie.  Don't worry about it.

You have some good points.

I'd say, though that any strays that Anna attracts for the foreseeable future will be coming to the Marrock pack, and will be Bran's responsibility.  Anna, and thus Charles, may have to deal with them more than most of the Marrock wolves, because of their need for her help, but it time they should either drift farther from her or simply become friends, closer than most of their packmates.

Well, that's my best guess.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: mmartinv on October 21, 2008, 11:52:43 pm
I am new to the Mercy Thompson universe. In fact I just read the first of the series on Friday of last week and then promptly devoured the entire The Mercy Thompson Series, Cry Wolf, and Alpha and Omega from On the Prowl (I binge read).  I am very anxious to read Bone Crossed and Hunting Ground when they are available.

I can’t wait to see how Anna and Charles evolve as a married couple.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Grandpappy Wycked on November 16, 2008, 10:05:05 am
Notice how she started to fight back? How often has that happened?

Quote from: Alpha and Omega
"Knife wounds heal really fast, broken bones last longer and hurt more"
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: jenglows on December 17, 2008, 11:30:35 pm
Never say never:  what if the same thing happens to Charles that happened to Asil?  Or what happened to Mercy in Iron Kissed?

sure, never say never... but. Asil got like that after Sarai died by torture. Anna has already been through a lot. Having her going through anything like that again would probably be too excessive....

I think Asil's issue wasn't just the death and torture of his mate but was compounded by the empathy ability link he had with his mate and that the witch used it to torture her and then try and control his behavior through her memory.
Title: Re: Alpha and Omega Novella Discussion
Post by: Patti L. on December 18, 2008, 12:58:42 pm
Oh, that's true, all right, GlowInTheDark!  And we don't know what the effects of the mate bond are going to be on these two, other than the already seen - and so far erratic (unless there was only the 1 or 2 chances to use it) ability of Anna t draw on Charles' inherent ability to see magic.  So it probably won't be empathic.
Title: Re: On The Prowl | Alpha & Omega Discussion
Post by: Sofy on February 13, 2011, 12:44:32 pm
not sure it has been posted somewhere on the site, but the French publisher of the weres series will release the novella in a single book.

here's the cover :

(http://milady-le-blog.fantasyblog.fr/gallery/208/previews-med/alpha0.jpg)
Title: Re: On The Prowl | Alpha & Omega Discussion
Post by: CarolKat on February 13, 2011, 01:07:27 pm
That's an awesome Cover, Sofy. Thank you!
Title: Re: On The Prowl | Alpha & Omega Discussion
Post by: Sofy on February 14, 2011, 02:47:37 am
you're welcome :)

btw, someone mentioned on KA board that it was also the cover for the Subterranean edition :)
Title: Re: On The Prowl | Alpha & Omega Discussion
Post by: Patti L. on September 25, 2011, 06:49:22 pm
I just grabbed my copy of "On the Prowl" to check my memory of the quote used in the Hangman game, and came across this:
Pg. 8, A&O/OtP
Bran~ "--I would normally have contacted the nearest pack.  However, if Leo is murdering people, I don't see how the other Chicago Alpha wouldn't be aware of it.  Since Jamie hasn't contacted me, I have to assume that both Alphas are involved to one degree or another."

So... what kind of follow up do you suppose there has been to that?  Was it determined that Jamie had been driven away by Leo in his efforts to protect his mate?  Why didn't he contact Bran?
Title: Re: On The Prowl | Alpha & Omega Discussion
Post by: CarolKat on September 26, 2011, 03:05:23 pm
I'm thinking that Jamie just separated himself from any contact with Leo's pack after Isabelle tried to seduce him. No involvement just disgusted and didn't want any of his pack put through that.
Title: Re: On The Prowl | Alpha & Omega Discussion
Post by: Elle on October 12, 2011, 07:35:19 am
Just did a reread of this the other day. This is definitely one of my favorite novellas. Not having gone into this cold I don't have that perspective of a reader who hadn't read any of the Mercy Thompson books prior to accessing it. I've always been curious of the thoughts of the new reader about this story.

I love it...but maybe I love it because I knew who Charles and Bran were and I was familiar with Patty's werewolf world.

I enjoy the part where Charles and his wolf are giving Justin a taste of what it's like to be prey. Great scene.
Title: Re: On The Prowl | Alpha & Omega Discussion
Post by: catchmeifyoucan on October 12, 2011, 12:31:40 pm
This was my first Patty book and I was pulled right into the world she created.  I think I read it, the other to A&O books and then charged through the Mercy books within a couple month period.  I think my favorite scene in this one (although there are quite a few) was when Charles was shot and changed to his wolf and Anna is on the phone with Bran explaining why Charles isn't out of control due to his usual reaction to silver.

"Um.  Charles thinks that his wolf has chosen me as a mate."

"In less than one full day?"  It did sound dumb when he said it that way.

"Charles also said I was an Omega wolf," she told his father.  "That might have something to do with it as well."

Silence lengthened and she began to think that the cell phone might have dropped the connection.  Then the Marrok laughed softly.  "Oh, his brother is going to tease him unmercifully about this."
Title: Re: On The Prowl | Alpha & Omega Discussion
Post by: Elle on October 15, 2011, 05:11:49 pm
That's really interesting!

I wondered if felt like you were jumping in the middle of s story. I love that it had such great flow. That scene with Anna and Bran on the phone is fantastic.  :-LOVE
Title: Re: On The Prowl | Alpha & Omega Discussion
Post by: catchmeifyoucan on October 16, 2011, 04:59:18 am
It did take me a while to warm up to Adam just because Samuel made such a big impression on me in Cry Wolf (even though it was a short appearance) - actually I it wasn't until Iron Kissed (especially the scene where Ben is talking to him after the rape) that I really got to like him a lot. 

But as to feeling like I was jumping in at the middle, not really.  To me, Patty does a wonderful job of making A&O stand alone but lets the new readers learn the critical stuff about the were world she creates.  That made the events of Moon Called sort of prequel-ish more than anything else.
Title: Re: [A&O #0.5] On The Prowl | Alpha & Omega Discussion
Post by: catchmeifyoucan on January 20, 2013, 04:02:27 am
Alpha and Omega is coming out as an audible book in early Feb.  I just pre-ordered it from Audible.com.