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Title: Jesse Hauptman & Samuel
Post by: caerali on February 07, 2009, 07:45:16 am
Samuel spends a lot more time interacting with Jesse in Bone Crossed.  Granted, there is always someone around (Mercy or Adam), but I think there might be something down the road.  He doesn't speak to her as a child.

He makes her laugh a lot though this scene (BC194), with growls and mock-grumpiness.  He actually speaks more to Jesse directly then to Mercy.  He takes them to dinner, though not where she wanted to go.  It seemed like a compromise.  Samuel is still to dominant to a low her to choose.  It wouldn't be the first time he became aware of a teenager as a potential mate.  He's to honorable to obviously do anything right now, he would wait -- as he did with Mercy.  If he did not, Adam would have some of Samuel various body parts severed. LOL

Mercy once commented on what a patient hunter Samuel is.  I doubt anyone would be aware of him until much later.  Arousal has a sent, after all, and Adam is in the room and wouldn't have missed it.  It may explain the look on his face on page 195, he may have thought Mercy was on to him.

I could be up a tree on this one, but it seems plausible to me.

ETA: Title modified. Elle
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Gerd D. on February 07, 2009, 08:07:50 am
I don't like that theory one bit! 
But should it turn out to be true I hope he dies a torturous death. >:(
:D


Nah, I wonder if Patty would go and paint Sam as the type that stalks children (again?), and nothing else that would be. Isn't that the hunting scheme of a certain independent movie maker. :P
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Has on February 07, 2009, 08:16:38 am
I very much doubt this as well- and in the BC thread Mike hinted that Sam's mate is going to be someone from a long lived race. So it could be another were, fae or even vamp which I doubt. I am sure there are other long lived supernatural beings as well- and we also havent met her yet but she will appear in future books sometime.

I just think Jesse is someone who Sam is really fond of and he does love children and has a great affinity for them. In many ways - I think someone raised this in another thread that if Sam and Mercy did get together earlier on then they could have children around Jesse's age. I think that scene where Sam looked pretty scary while he was sitting with Adam, Mercy and Jesse emphasized what he really craved for and thats a family and a mate.
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: caerali on February 07, 2009, 08:20:02 am
Try not to look at it from a 21st century point of view.  He's really old and people married young back then.  He's not stupid and wouldn't try anything now or even necessarily in the near future.  I wasn't intending to put an 'ick' factor into it.  Adam would have his hide as quickly as the rest of us.

But oh well, it was just a thought. :)
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Cerulean on February 07, 2009, 09:18:45 am
The only reason he approached Mercy while she was so young was because she could shift and still have children. Jesse can't shift and so she's no different from any other human. In one of the earlier books, Samuel is described as liking children - it's mentioned that he would go to the school/playground (?) and play with the children while in wolf form.
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: caerali on February 07, 2009, 09:22:49 am
True enough, I'm gonna go shove my nose back in my book. ;)
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Has on February 07, 2009, 09:24:04 am
Dont worry hon!

I think Jane at Dear Author said a similar thing in her review for Bone Crossed :D
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Gerd D. on February 07, 2009, 09:47:04 am
Try not to look at it from a 21st century point of view.  He's really old and people married young back then.
That's true, but people back then also though of women as 'property', and he sure is educated enough to realise that this worldview was wrong. I would expect that Sam as a Doctor won't fall (yeah, I know, Doctors are just as reliable to be morally deprived as any other human being) for trying to get them young while you can still play on their impressionability and forge a emotional dependency. ;)
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: ElefiNecol on February 07, 2009, 09:59:00 am
Didn't Mike say we hadn't met the person Patty has picked out for Sam?
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: caerali on February 07, 2009, 05:39:37 pm
Oh that's true. . . I forgot I had read that somewhere.  ;D
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Teagan on February 07, 2009, 09:58:23 pm
I have to agree that it's mostly his love for children that leads him to be so warm with Jesse.  Plus, I don't think he'd be willing to hurt another girl like he hurt Mercy. Desperate or not, he doesn't seem the type to make the same mistake twice.  And besides that -and the whole age issue- I adore her and Gabriel together.   ;D
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Pendle on February 08, 2009, 06:14:47 am
I never got this impression when reading the book. He's just lonely and desperately wants a mate and family. It's a good job that his potential new love is long lived. I think another loss (if he fell in love with another human for example) might just push him over the edge and he's toeing the line.

I agree with Teagan about Jesse and Gabriel - they'll make a lot more, beautiful Sandoval's together. (Someones got carry on the family name afterall.) Makes you wonder what Adam would do?
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: darklightsun on February 08, 2009, 06:10:18 pm
After some consideration, I think there is a strong possibility that Samuel's love interest will be Kara Beckworth.  We have meet her Father, but have never actually met Kara yet.

Just because all of the Novels so far have been set fairly close together time wise does not mean that Kara and Samuel could not meet when she is older that the 13 years she is in 'Blood Bound.' 

Also, there may be something very special about her.  Everyone seems so shocked that a 10 year old girl survived a werewolf attack.  Maybe she has some special magic about her like Charles' mother had that allows her to fill Samuel's need for a mate.

Heck, just because her daddy has a whitbread name like Beckworth does not mean her mother could not be a Native American.  She may have some of the good ol' coyote magic in her blood.

This might also be a way to explore what would happen if a coyote was changed by a werewolf.

DLS
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: ArtAngel on February 08, 2009, 06:17:40 pm
Now that is a neat idea!
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Patti L. on February 08, 2009, 06:18:35 pm
Or African American, or Asian, or SOUTH American. . . mm hmm.
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Has on February 08, 2009, 06:23:00 pm
Patti are you being naughty again ;D
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Patti L. on February 08, 2009, 06:27:39 pm
"I'm always naughty," she replied promptly, and then paused.  "er, what do you mean this time?"
I have no special knowledge; I was floored by the suggestion that it could be Kara- if it's coming up in the next book, I have to doubt that, frankly - but pointing out that the North American continent is NOT the only one with folk histories of changers of one sort or another.
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Zealith on February 08, 2009, 06:29:54 pm
Or maybe Sam's mate could be a creature from one of those other continents. A kitsune would be interesting... They're just as much a trickster and Coyote.
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: ElefiNecol on February 08, 2009, 06:33:06 pm
If nothing else I can't see Sam going after another kid, and Patty is keeping the time lines together and trying to let CW catch up.  My impression was that Mike was saying we haven't met them at all, and we have met Kara if not in person as it were.  I like the idea of "her" coming from another area.  To me Patty seems to be expanding their world and moving outside of their immediate circle.  Didn't she say at one of the signings that the next book would focus on Sam a lot?  If it were to stay local I'm pretty sure Adam would be more involved then Sam.
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Has on February 08, 2009, 06:34:39 pm
I know :D - I dont agree its Kara although I can see her when the time is right and when shes much older she will definitely be with someone interesting. And perhaps a non werewolf- I would love to see a female werewolf able to break out of that. But I cant see Sam with anyone like that especially after his experience with Mercy.

I dont know- I think a nice fae or even different types of supernaturals we havent met before. And what about Africa and Australia as well- there is interesting mythologies and supernaturals there :D
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: ElefiNecol on February 08, 2009, 06:36:08 pm
There are so many cultures she could choose from!  ppsst! Has, you're supposed to be going to bed!   ;D
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Patti L. on February 08, 2009, 06:38:14 pm
Can I beg you again to check your spelling, gang?  Our Hostess is PATTY -Y- for cryin' out loud!  I am Patti -I- L. in an attempt to avoid confusing anyone.

I sincerely doubt Kara Beckworth as a love interest; she's got too much going on with werewolf, away from parents, and teen; she's not ready for mate.  Nope, not.

But a nice Kitsune lady, now I could see that.  Some of the "Mercy" behavior, plenty of manners, and longevity, along with potential fertility.  Yes.

And would you lot get your quantities right!  Not "is", "ARE"  THERE ARE SO MANY!!! Grrrr!
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: ElefiNecol on February 08, 2009, 06:40:52 pm
Sorry Patti!  I'm blaming my typos on the paper ;D

Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Patti L. on February 08, 2009, 06:51:57 pm
And the exhaustion of exerting immense self control!
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: ElefiNecol on February 08, 2009, 07:17:57 pm
Yes!!
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Patti L. on February 08, 2009, 07:19:06 pm
Whe- meet me at the Place; I've got an off topic question for you.
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: littlebittysami on February 11, 2009, 09:09:35 pm
What many are missing here is the very important "age of consent" laws here in the United States. In Montana, it is 16. While it is fairly creepy to think about, considering the huge age gap between Mercy and Samuel, she was of age. As would Jesse be...if she had her 16th birthday recently. This isn't the extremely creepy toddler imprinting like in Twilight. (so not a fan...)

However, I think the point is moot. 
1. I really don't think Samuel would put the moves on Adam's daughter. I'm not sure Adam or Mercy would like it too much.
2. Jesse has a boyfriend, though she and Gabriel had no scenes in Bone Crossed. But there wasn't a mention of a breakup, either.
3. As mentioned before, Sam has a natural affinity towards kids. He wants to be a dad again. He probably thinks of Jesse as his own.
4. Jesse's fully human, which means she's mortal and will age and eventually die. Sam needs an immortal, someone who won't die on him. He simply won't be able to handle a mate dying on him. He'd die. 
5. Mike's hinted at an unintroduced (as of yet) female character that will become Samuel's mate.

Now as for the Kara Beckwith thing Unless I missed something, she's still 13 or 14 guys. It's just as creepy for her to become Samuel's mate as Mercy or Jesse at 16. Also because she's a werewolf, there could be no babies.

Honestly, I hope it's someone else, and they are an adult.
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Nifty on February 12, 2009, 02:37:29 pm
Having now Googled "kitsune," that sounds VERY intriguing...and honestly spot-on on so many levels.
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: alan on February 12, 2009, 03:06:56 pm
He makes her laugh a lot though this scene (BC194), with growls and mock-grumpiness.  He actually speaks more to Jesse directly then to Mercy.  He takes them to dinner, though not where she wanted to go.  It seemed like a compromise.  Samuel is still to dominant to a low her to choose.  It wouldn't be the first time he became aware of a teenager as a potential mate.  He's to honorable to obviously do anything right now, he would wait -- as he did with Mercy.  If he did not, Adam would have some of Samuel various body parts severed. LOL


Wouldn't that whole scene be kind of awkward for Mercy?  Having the guy that wanted her going after her mates kid?  It all seems kind of creepy to me.  I think Adam wouldn't even let Sam near Jesse if he though Sam was after her.
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: ArtAngel on February 12, 2009, 04:33:38 pm
I think when it comes to a Sam/Jesse match I have to agree with the general consensus. It won't happen. But someone who is gutsy like Jesse, but an adult and immortal? That I could see.

Having now Googled "kitsune," that sounds VERY intriguing...and honestly spot-on on so many levels.
I know something about them, which is interesting. But I definitely need to look them up too!
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: darklightsun on February 12, 2009, 10:24:34 pm
Now as for the Kara Beckwith thing Unless I missed something, she's still 13 or 14 guys. It's just as creepy for her to become Samuel's mate as Mercy or Jesse at 16. Also because she's a werewolf, there could be no babies.

Honestly, I hope it's someone else, and they are an adult.

As I pointed out when I made the suggestion about Kara, just because the first 4 books (5 if you include Cry Wolf) took place in about a years time, does not ruel out that that there could be a significant time gap between BC and the next Mercy novel.  If Tri-Cities was (relatively) quiet for 10 years prior to 'Moon Called' it is reasonable to think that Mercy and her friends are due for a breather.

If Kara Beckworth (who we have herd of, not met) where to be introduced as Samuel's mate it could defiantly be done when she is of legal age.  Also, as Charles mother passed on Native American magic on to him, he has abilities that no other werewolf has.  We do not know the full truth of Kara's heritage.  She may have some inherited magic that allows her to have children as Bran's wife was able to after she became a werewolf.  I'm thinking some Incian magic could be interesting....
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: PurpleMoon on February 14, 2009, 06:47:00 am
Was Charlie's mom a werewolf?? I don't remember that, I though she was human and she was only able to put up with the change because her father was a skinwalker and taught her some magic that she used to keep the baby but it wasn't enough to get her through birth...I'll read that part again! lol
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Patti L. on February 14, 2009, 09:00:44 am
Great, tragic love story.  Bran found her dying, injured by an elk or a moose, I seem to recall, and was so struck by her beauty that he Changed her to save her life.  They became mates, and when she discovered she was pregnant, her medicine man father helped her put off the change until she'd carried Charles to term, but the strain on her was too great, and she died immediately after giving birth to him.
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Ellyll on February 14, 2009, 10:56:35 am
I just noticed two things: 

This has gone a long way away from Jesse Hauptman. 

At least one of the mods in this area wields a shiny new axe, courtesy of Mazoku and the ninja cats... >:D

I'm just saying.  ;)
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: charmed on February 14, 2009, 01:07:07 pm
Did someone mention my axe? Are we off-topic?

**looks up**

So we are. **brandishes shiny new axe**
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: alan on February 17, 2009, 01:23:25 pm
Grin* LOVES AXES!!  Good for finishing arguements. ;D
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: IvyBRT on February 26, 2009, 05:51:00 pm
I need to have a talk with Sam! No way him and Jesse... Nuh uh.... Nope...No!!!!!!!!!!!!! (lol) :o :o
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: cavaliergirl on June 04, 2009, 06:10:13 pm
I wonder if Jesse will become a werewolf.  I wonder what Adam and Mercy's reaction would be if she asked to become a werewolf.  Such a risky proposition...
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Elle on June 05, 2009, 01:54:15 am
cavaliergirl, there's been a bit of speculation on that subject. Check out the thread and add yours!

Jesse the Werewolf Thread (http://hurog.com/forum/index.php?topic=1900.0)
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: alan on July 09, 2009, 12:55:49 pm
She’s a human chameleon, she’s got some insecurities she’s hiding from, but becoming a werewolf is way to permanent. But why do you think she’s hiding?

Look what she grew up with?  Her mum is a nut and her dad has crazy wolves rolling in all the time.  Sure she's gonna have a few issues.  As to what she's hiding maybe its something to do with what happened to her in Moon Called.  She was alone with the bad wolves for a long while maybe then maybe before the story started when she was younger.  Who knows but her future will certainly be interesting for sure.
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Pendle on July 10, 2009, 09:40:40 am
True, but she was disguising herself well before she was kidnapped. Must be something to do with her mother.
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: white_unicorn on July 10, 2009, 11:59:05 pm
I remember a part when her mom wanted to take her back and she was telling Mercy how she made it to stay with Adam... something about "I reminded her of the time that her boyfriend wanted to share my bed when i was 12" not exactly the words but that was the meaning... it could be that kind of trauma she hides... I remeber thinking that she couldn't be so 'flippant' on such a thing. she seemed not bothered when telling Mercy... but I think it has somethning to do with it....
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: alan on July 11, 2009, 11:52:33 am
Oh yeah i totally forgot about that whole scene.  It'll be interesting to see what Mrs. Briggs does with Jesse and her past.
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Pendle on July 12, 2009, 09:33:24 am
Oh yeah i totally forgot about that whole scene.  It'll be interesting to see what Mrs. Briggs does with Jesse and her past.

Especially if Christy turns up in the future, I'd like to learn more about her, find out if she has any redeeming qualities.
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Patti L. on July 12, 2009, 09:47:55 am
Dang!  Suddenly I have a headful of speculations & questions about Christy!  This is the wrong thread for them, though.
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Pendle on July 12, 2009, 09:55:05 am
Dang!  Suddenly I have a headful of speculations & questions about Christy!  This is the wrong thread for them, though.

Yeah, probably but there's so many threads that I keep getting lost. Lol!
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Patti L. on July 12, 2009, 10:08:17 am
Search function.  I'm not sure there's anything but ID card for Christy, though.
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: charmed on July 12, 2009, 12:18:25 pm
Dang!  Suddenly I have a headful of speculations & questions about Christy!  This is the wrong thread for them, though.

Yeah, probably but there's so many threads that I keep getting lost. Lol!

As Patti L said, there's teh search function plus the board index. Those will tell you everything that you want to know on where and how to find things. :)
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: aislingnichonaill on August 03, 2009, 12:42:45 pm
Jesse and Sam? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I honestly don't think that'll happen because, if nothing else, it would make a LOT of readers lose sympathy for Sam.

I also think that the kitsune theory in interesting....but isn't it a bit odd to introduce a completely new race in the fifth book in a series? I mean, I might be mistaken, but there seems to be a trend in the Mercy series, in that Mrs Briggs mentioned all the races at various points in the first book and deals with them in each book.

Sorry if that's a bit confusing, I can't seem to express myself very well! :-'
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: cavaliergirl on August 03, 2009, 06:31:28 pm
Sam and any teenager would make people lose sympathy for him.  However, if Jessie were 10 years older, it wouldn't be a bad match. 
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Patti L. on August 03, 2009, 06:44:50 pm
Some day she will be 10 years older.
Unlikely, however, that she'll be a witch.
Samuel is destined for a witch.
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Elle on August 03, 2009, 08:25:57 pm
This is totally off topic and we should probably take any further discussion of it over to Sam's thread but why do you say he's destined for a witch?
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Patti L. on August 03, 2009, 08:29:55 pm
Isn't that what Patty said?  Or maybe it was just that he had a witch in his future, and that he would get a HEA, and I stuck them together in my head?
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Elle on August 03, 2009, 08:47:21 pm
We're bad mods.  LOL

She said he'd be with someone who was long-lived. Since witches aren't (with the exception of the two we know) that makes me think he won't have a witch as his HEA.
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Patti L. on August 03, 2009, 08:53:10 pm
I doubt Gabriel is Jesse's long term guy.

How's that for on topic?
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Zealith on August 03, 2009, 08:55:13 pm
Well, most high school romances don't last, so I bet you're right.
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Avarel on August 03, 2009, 09:06:08 pm
It'd be interesting if he was... Human meets supernatural.
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Patti L. on August 03, 2009, 09:11:14 pm
It already has.  They're both (as far as we know) 100% human, they just live with the supernatural.  Kind of "I'm not a doctor, I just play one on TV."
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Avarel on August 03, 2009, 09:17:22 pm
I know, but Gabriel wasn't raised in the supernatural world. Patty could start a whole new series!!
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Patti L. on August 03, 2009, 09:55:23 pm
Please, she's already indentured for these two, has the re-write of "Masques" and the sequel "Wolvesbane" to finish, & thoughts on more with the Hurog world.  Give her a chance to breathe!
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: Avarel on August 03, 2009, 10:19:33 pm
breathing is optional :)

fine, great idea shot down by a dose of reality.
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman (SPOILER)
Post by: caerali on August 04, 2009, 03:39:16 am
I didn't mind being shot down.  I was pleased the string achieved 5 pages of thought of what will happen with Jesse instead. :)
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman & Samuel
Post by: Eccentric_Rose on December 11, 2011, 11:43:29 am
I never thought of Sam and Jesse together.  :) Though it would most likely never happen I wouldn't be all that mad. Though that is a little hard to picture them together.... I only read up to book four but I like Gabriel and I think they have a chance of lasting together. 
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman & Samuel
Post by: gryphon340 on December 11, 2011, 01:27:42 pm
Adam will Kill him at 1000 yards out with 7mm rifle and silver ammo
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman & Samuel
Post by: Patti L. on December 11, 2011, 01:30:04 pm
Doesn't need to; Sam's now got Ari, and may have realized he couldn't be happy for long with a baseline human, he needs a longer lived mate who can bear children.
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman & Samuel
Post by: Eccentric_Rose on December 11, 2011, 01:32:49 pm
Adam will Kill him at 1000 yards out with 7mm rifle and silver ammo

 LOL LOL
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman & Samuel
Post by: FizzaLicious on December 13, 2011, 08:05:30 pm
Adam will Kill him at 1000 yards out with 7mm rifle and silver ammo

LOL LOL LOL You are so hilarious...but it is true!  ;D :P
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman & Samuel
Post by: Kkat07 on December 15, 2011, 06:36:33 pm
And if he misses, Mercy would take care of it. :D
Title: Re: Jesse Hauptman & Samuel
Post by: FizzaLicious on December 16, 2011, 03:44:12 pm
Exactly, although Mercy may change.