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Title: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
Post by: Lakritz on September 19, 2008, 11:43:36 pm
Hi to all those Germanspeakers, that I know are hanging around here!

Is it only me, or are there any others that always flinch at Zees "original German name"? And does anybody have an idea, what the "original" original of Adalbertsmiter could be? Adelbertschlächter?
(for those not-Germanspeaking: Adelbertkrieger means Adelbert's warrior - so the connection to Adelbert is a wee bit different...)
Title: Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
Post by: lunastars on September 28, 2008, 09:56:57 am
Well Adelbertsmiter (meddival German) seems to be the correct translation of Adelbertschlächter (today).

My boyfriend and I have been searching all kinds of legends and have not found any relation to that kind of name.
The first time I read about him I thought he  was the "dwarf" who was a smith and made the sword of Siegfried (kind of like the German king arthur myth, but a bit more complex).

We found a myth about a dwarf who killd a dragon in norway, I will check on that one again and will post it again.

It is possible though, that Zee is from a famous myth but from a not known version...
 
Title: Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
Post by: lunastars on September 29, 2008, 09:30:13 am
Hey Lakritz,

esse ich auch gerne ;)
Do you know any myth that could be related to Zee?
Title: Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
Post by: Lakritz on September 29, 2008, 10:34:26 am
No, but that doesn't say much, as I'm not really into myth. And I don't really like to eat Lakritz... but my husband just loves it 8). And just for you Germans... the name originates from kritzeln.
Did you try the ASK PATTY thread, if she got the name from an actaual myth, or if she just made it up?
Title: Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
Post by: lunastars on September 30, 2008, 03:34:58 am
not yet, still gona try to find out by myself, when I give up, I will ask her...
Title: Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
Post by: lunastars on September 30, 2008, 03:36:07 am
by the way, I was also thinking if smiter could refer to schmied (smith)?
Title: Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
Post by: Ellyll on September 30, 2008, 06:35:59 am
I think it was smiter as in slayer/killer. 
Title: Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
Post by: Lakritz on September 30, 2008, 11:59:15 am
Well, the only reference for smiter=slayer is Mercy musing about a monk called Adelbert, that might have been killed by Zee. I like the Idea, that it's smiter derived from schmieden, but I'm not deep enogh in Mittelhochdeutsch or even older forms of the language, to know, whether that could be true.
Title: Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
Post by: Seneca on October 05, 2008, 06:55:26 pm
All I know is that St. Adelbert (Adalbert, Adalbart) was from Prague, and was killed and martyred in Prussia in a small town named Gdansk along the Baltic coast in what is now Poland.  He was chopping down trees considered magical or holy by the locals in an attempt to show them that his religion (Catholicism) was stronger because there was no punishment for profaning their magical woods. He was, so the story goes, beheaded with the axe he was using to chop trees. So perhaps the "smiter" is the one who beheaded him?

A suitable tale to link to the Fae, I think. What self-respecting Fae allows their forest to be cut down without penalty? Also, he's not the patron saint of any group or virtue as far as I can remember, just protector of his lands (Prussia, Poland, Hungary)
Title: Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
Post by: lunastars on February 25, 2009, 03:03:32 am
@Seneca I also found this lore as possible reference to Zee.
Did anybody find something els?
Title: Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
Post by: CheeseBK on February 25, 2009, 05:13:51 am
by the way, I was also thinking if smiter could refer to schmied (smith)?

might be possible. it's not always easy to make the right connections, since so many things got changed with time.

I always connected smiter to zerschmettern, schlachten, erschlagen... something like that...
Title: Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
Post by: lunastars on February 25, 2009, 08:52:51 am
Chees! Love your pic!!!!

well smiter I also connect with schmettern, like Lakritz.
But it made me think if there is a connection between schmied and smiter.
Title: Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
Post by: JennyMcHenry on March 10, 2009, 09:36:59 pm
HI,
well I think that the smiter part could be both, for a Blacksmith (Schmied) and Schlächter, maybe referring to both?
But I would split the first part of the name. Adel means royalty in German, and Bert could come from a name, like Albert for Example.
I admit I am curious who is supposed to be behind it, but since in Germany we once had so many different types of Royalty ( Fürsten, Grafen, Könige, Kaiser,...), my guess would be that using the Ask Patty Thread is the only way to get an answer.
Oh and by the way, there is a huge huge difference between the story of Siegfried and King Arthur ;)
Title: Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
Post by: lunastars on March 11, 2009, 02:04:11 am
I posted the question in the Ask Patty Thread.
Title: Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
Post by: CheeseBK on March 11, 2009, 02:17:58 am
I posted the question in the Ask Patty Thread.

dankeschön, merci beaucoup, mille grazie, gracias, thank you, dzi?kuj?
Title: Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
Post by: Patti L. on March 20, 2016, 07:32:54 pm
Had a thought; when Zee takes Mercy to the Fae Res in Iron Kissed, doesn't she think something about him being afraid of the Gray Lords?  So howcome we find now that he's only not one himself because "nobody asked"?
Title: Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
Post by: Janilee on March 21, 2016, 05:12:38 am
Somewhere along the line Tad said Zee was afraid of the Gray Lords. Maybe his 'fear' was to them acting as a powerful group.
Title: Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
Post by: pondhawk on March 21, 2016, 07:04:36 am
I think that's right. A group of ruthless individuals might scare a single peer more than any one of them would singly.
Title: Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
Post by: Patti L. on July 16, 2016, 11:02:26 am
Just re-reading "Fire Touched" and noticed pg 202, Babba Yaga says "There's my Loan, Darling.  Oops, I forgot.  You are clling yourself Siebold Adelbertsmiter now, aren't you?  Adelbert was such an old stick-in-the-mud--he deserved what he got, but he was a wimp, no one I'd brag about smiting."
Title: Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
Post by: Janilee on July 16, 2016, 11:29:05 am
Don't know of any figure called Loan in the old tales. Does not mean they don't exist. And it makes perfect sense that he'd change his name during his long life.
Title: Re: Herr Adelbertkrieger aus dem Schwarzenwald
Post by: Patti L. on July 16, 2016, 11:40:29 am
Oh, sure.  We know Zack, the new submissive in the CB pack has, and Asil has as well, I believe that Alpha in Alaska who was mentioned in "Roses in Winter" did so as well.