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Title: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: jenniwee on August 02, 2007, 08:17:57 am
I had a question along these lines too.  I wondered if Mercy would ever discover healing abilities as she learns more about her powers.  In most of the shapeshifter stories I've read, shapeshifters, were or not, tend to have some capacity for healing faster than normal humans.  Mercy could certainly use some of this with all the trouble she gets into. ;D
Title: Won't Mercy age?
Post by: Zealith on August 02, 2007, 12:14:21 pm
About the aging, Mercy's foster mother aged despite the fact that she was mated to a werewolf. I doubt it would help Mercy any.
Title: Won't Mercy age?
Post by: Good Mazoku on August 02, 2007, 12:46:29 pm
That's a good point, but Mercy's foster mother was a human, while Mercy is not: since she can be affected by Adam's powers as alpha, maybe she can get not to age in return...  :)
Title: Won't Mercy age?
Post by: Zealith on August 02, 2007, 12:49:34 pm
That would just seem too convenient for me, and it would really bug me. If however, she just aged really slowly because she was a walker, I wouldn't mind.
Title: Won't Mercy age?
Post by: Good Mazoku on August 02, 2007, 01:09:58 pm
Hmmm...that's also true...but, doesn't it bother you thinking of a couple in which one of the 2 won't age, while the other will get old? It kinda creeps me out... >_< and I perfectly understand why Mercy's foster mother decided to risk the Change...
Title: Won't Mercy age?
Post by: Cole on August 02, 2007, 01:12:21 pm
That's a good point, but Mercy's foster mother was a human, while Mercy is not: since she can be affected by Adam's powers as alpha, maybe she can get not to age in return...  :)
A no jumping to conclusions about her being with adam it could and i hope be Sam
Title: Won't Mercy age?
Post by: jenglows on August 02, 2007, 01:21:46 pm
I think this question was asked in one of the chat's - maybe the first one.  I'll try to track it down...
Title: Won't Mercy age?
Post by: jenglows on August 02, 2007, 04:04:17 pm
This is all I could find - from the first chat:

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8:09:01 kar Will Mercy ever become immortal so that she can happily end up with Adam or Sam?
8:10:38 Patty I have a little problem with having Mercy be immortal. I don't know if she is -- and neither does she or Adam/Sam. I like to keep my characters underpowerd when I can

If she isn't immortal she must age, right?
Title: Won't Mercy age?
Post by: Spryte on August 02, 2007, 06:02:05 pm
or age very slowly...but whoever she picks it would break my fragile little heart to see her aging while her partner does not :'(... not to mention the stress it would put on the immortal partner, and how do you think Mercy would feel :-\?
Title: Won't Mercy age?
Post by: Good Mazoku on August 02, 2007, 11:16:00 pm
That's a good point, but Mercy's foster mother was a human, while Mercy is not: since she can be affected by Adam's powers as alpha, maybe she can get not to age in return...  :)
A no jumping to conclusions about her being with adam it could and i hope be Sam

Well, I was making an example of how were's powers can affect Mercy, not saying that if she chooses Adam she won't age, while if she choose Sam she will...maybe I didn't explain myself right...  :-[
Title: Won't Mercy age?
Post by: Nifty on August 03, 2007, 03:34:59 am
or age very slowly...but whoever she picks it would break my fragile little heart to see her aging while her partner does not :'(... not to mention the stress it would put on the immortal partner, and how do you think Mercy would feel :-\?

What made me think of this question is that I've seen this sort of pairing so often in fantasy.  Garion and Ce'Nedra (from David Eddings' Belgariad) spring to mind.  He's a sorcerer, and they live for thousands of years in Eddings' construct.  Whereas Ce'Nedra is a dryad, and they live only for hundreds of years (as long as their oak trees).

Anne Bishop has the same situation with her Black Jewels Trilogy.  Daemon is of the long-lived races.  He's already some 1700 years old or so, and he could live for thousands more years.  But Jaenelle is not of the long-lived races; her life expectancy is just over (or was it under?) 100 years.
Title: Won't Mercy age?
Post by: Spryte on August 03, 2007, 10:35:25 am
And I wonder, when she picks, and if she stays with that partner for good, would she risk the change? And if she did, how would that affect her being a walker? would she be able to pick to be a wolf or coyote when changing voluntarily? Would she be as bound by the lunar cycles as your normal were is?
Title: Won't Mercy age?
Post by: Nifty on August 03, 2007, 12:00:43 pm
And I wonder, when she picks, and if she stays with that partner for good, would she risk the change? And if she did, how would that affect her being a walker? would she be able to pick to be a wolf or coyote when changing voluntarily? Would she be as bound by the lunar cycles as your normal were is?

If it were me, I don't think I'd risk the change.  Sure...she doesn't have that nifty super-fast healing ability...or the super-strength...or the immortality of the werewolves.  But at the same time, her transition to furry form isn't painful for her and doesn't take any time.  She doesn't "have" to transition; her inner coyote's not going to get out of control if she doesn't shift every so often and her transition isn't demanded by the moon's pull once a month.  She has some immunity to magic, which the werewolves don't have.  And when she shifts into coyote form, her form is recognizable as a coyote -- which means that she runs less risk of being found out by humans.   Plus, Mercy seems like a bit of a loner and her status as walker -- and not wolf -- seems to allow her to keep her distance from the big group-hug that is the pack.  (Of course, that's as of now...before she's made any choice of mate.)  There's lots of benefit to being a walker as opposed to a werewolf, it seems.

Still, I get your point:  how would it affect those walker characteristics of hers if she DID go through the Change to become a werewolf?  Would one override the other, or would there be a blending?
Title: Won't Mercy age?
Post by: Zealith on August 03, 2007, 12:03:25 pm
Plus, she doesn't have a coyote in the back of her mind that causes her to lose control.
Title: Won't Mercy age?
Post by: Spryte on August 03, 2007, 01:34:33 pm
I thought of the pros and cons for her and that, but It's just one of those things... What would happen if she did decide to try the change (I have a hard time believing that she wouldn't survive it given her personality strength)? How would wolf and Walker interact?  Now that is something I would be interested in, er... reading, a were-walker. I think I will make this a new topic just so I could find out Patty's thoughts on the subject.
Title: Won't Mercy age?
Post by: Cole on August 04, 2007, 06:40:39 pm
i wonder if it would cause painless changes between wolf and human or even coyote and wolf
Title: Won't Mercy age?
Post by: Spryte on August 05, 2007, 01:08:23 pm
hmmmmm..... interesting..... post some more under Were-Walker.
Title: Re: Won't Mercy age?
Post by: f00-ssa on October 14, 2007, 12:57:41 pm
She's 31? 32?
With 5 books to go and them happening quite fast, unless the contract is seriously extend it might not be an issue, meaning there might not be an answer.

... Possibly her two shapes age independently, that would give Mercy some extra time.

Title: Re: Won't Mercy age?
Post by: Elle on October 15, 2007, 04:58:03 pm
Mercy's 31, it took me a while to track that one down in the books. :D

You have a good point about the timeline of the books. I could imagine that they'll all take place in the next 3-5 years so I don't think the aging with have that much of impact storywise...but you never know.
Title: Re: Won't Mercy age?
Post by: Has on October 15, 2007, 05:32:03 pm
Also another factor is that not much time may past in between books. I think the largest gap was 6 months with Moon Called and Blood Bound- but its only a month with between Blood Bound and Iron Kissed
Title: Re: Won't Mercy age?
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on October 16, 2007, 12:16:28 pm
yeah a couple weeks each way, right?
Title: Re: Won't Mercy age?
Post by: Rob on October 17, 2007, 05:01:34 pm
I don't have any research or sources to cite (procastination and laziness win out), but it sticks in my head that in a lot of the Native American legends and mythology that I've heard or read that a lot of their super natural beings tend to be, at the very least, long lived though rarely immortal.  I could be wrong, most likely am.
Title: Re: Won't Mercy age?
Post by: Jules the cat on October 18, 2007, 11:40:19 am
i was really wondering about this when i read it.  it'd be awkward if she aged while her mate didnt
Title: Re: Won't Mercy age?
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on October 18, 2007, 02:51:24 pm
i think she will probably live to be older than most humans but nowhere near the werewolves and/or vampires  ;)
Title: Re: mercy growing older while sam/adam still young and studly?
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on November 11, 2007, 12:35:23 pm
first i love these books. :D i ussually go right to the vampire or werewolf books but sometimes they get too dark for my tastes. i love them, but winter is depressing enough. but as soon as i read the first book i realised how strong mercy had to have been to have grown up around dominant over-bearing-no matter how well intentioned- wolves.

but my question:
the werewolves look the same and have basically youth for a long time. sam wants mercy to bears his children that won't die but what about the fact that every year she'll get older. or do walkers age more slow?

Just wondering,
jesss

i don think she ages slower.  she looks just like a human and just like a coyote.
Title: Re: mercy growing older while sam/adam still young and studly?
Post by: Patti L. on November 11, 2007, 06:10:19 pm
This question has been discussed a good deal in some of the other threads.  The core result is that no-one knows.  First, Mercy is only 1/2 walker, which could change the typical answer for a full blooded walker.
And, second, there haven't been any other walkers around to give any idea of the answer. 
Title: Re: mercy growing older while sam/adam still young and studly?
Post by: Rob on November 11, 2007, 06:15:41 pm
That brings to question, is there such a thing as a full-blooded walker?  I presume that even before the vamps put them on the endangered list, that there weren't a lot of walkers so presumeably there weren't many walker couples.  Is the walker gene dominant?  Always coming up in the offspring, or only sometimes surfacing?
Title: Re: mercy growing older while sam/adam still young and studly?
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on November 11, 2007, 06:18:58 pm
thats a good question rob, it would be interesting also with sam's ideas of children with her too
Title: Re: mercy growing older while sam/adam still young and studly?
Post by: Taranis on November 11, 2007, 08:57:11 pm
There's also the fact that Sam wants Mercy because she can bear children.  If he was merely content to have her give him kids, live a normal human lifespan, and die while he lives on, he obviously is a very selfish character! I don't want to believe that Sam would feel that way about Mercy, so I assume the age issue doesn't bother him.  Maybe (hopefully) he knows something we (and Mercy) don't.
Title: Re: mercy growing older while sam/adam still young and studly?
Post by: Reu on November 13, 2007, 12:25:34 am
Taranis-

Remember the town where Sam comes from.  Many of the people try to become weres themselves, only to die in the process. Also keep in mind that that was what Bran did to Sam (IIRC), and it was Sam's choice.  My thinking on this is that IF (and it's a pretty big if in my book) Sam and Mercy do have children, Sam would give them the choice at a certain age to attempt to become weres, as it was given to him and others of his hometown. 

Title: Re: Won't Mercy age?
Post by: Ellyll on November 13, 2007, 08:47:11 am
Nobody knows how old her father was, do they?  So he could have been anywhere from say, 20 to 200 for all we know.  Since Walkers aren't human, all bets are off.  Since Mercy is only 31 or 32, she might not see anything yet to give her a clue. 
Title: Re: mercy growing older while sam/adam still young and studly?
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on November 13, 2007, 09:23:53 am
yes but mercy may have werewolves for children too and they wont need to be changed.  my guess is that if they change human children they will be the same age as in montana in the marrok's pack and that they might have bran do it himself since he has the best control of all

and i aggree with you taranis, that i think sam would be selfish if he did that, but i don't think he is and i think that there is something he and bran know that mercy doesn't - which means we don't
Title: Re: Won't Mercy age?
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on November 13, 2007, 09:41:16 am
yeah i don't remember the book, or patty, ever saying how old he was for sure
Title: Re: mercy growing older while sam/adam still young and studly?
Post by: Taranis on November 13, 2007, 12:47:56 pm
I see your point, Reu and I totally agree.  My main problem was that if Mercy has a normal lifespan, Sam would be using her.  But I think Kiersten is right.  Sam and Bran must know something Mercy doesn't...
Title: Re: mercy growing older while sam/adam still young and studly?
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on November 13, 2007, 12:49:32 pm
yes and i don't think sam would want to use mercy that way so there must be something that mercy doesn't know that bran and sam do - and thanks taranis for agreeing
Title: Re: mercy growing older while sam/adam still young and studly?
Post by: Taranis on November 13, 2007, 01:04:45 pm
Hmmm...I think this may have to be moved to the Ask Patty Discussion section... :D  I don't know how to do that though...
Title: Re: mercy growing older while sam/adam still young and studly?
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on November 13, 2007, 01:07:36 pm
i'll send patti a message she knows who to get to do it  ;D
Title: Re: mercy growing older while sam/adam still young and studly?
Post by: Grey Drakkon on November 13, 2007, 01:59:53 pm
I or one of the other moderators will split this topic to the discussion area once it has a response from Patty. 
Title: Re: mercy growing older while sam/adam still young and studly?
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on November 13, 2007, 02:03:12 pm
ok thanks i sent patti a message so you might want to let her know
thanks grey
Title: Re: mercy growing older while sam/adam still young and studly?
Post by: Patti L. on November 13, 2007, 02:10:49 pm
Got it!  I was just checking who the mod was for this subject, I was going to tell you how to find it, so you could message directly, although I would have sent one for you if Grey hadn't already seen this.
Title: Re: mercy growing older while sam/adam still young and studly?
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on November 13, 2007, 02:13:10 pm
ohh gotcha thanks patti i see how to get the mod's name - thanks  ;D
Title: Re: Won't Mercy age?
Post by: Has on November 13, 2007, 02:42:04 pm
I agree with the others who feel Mercy's lifespan maybe longer than a human and in the book all the supernatural beings have longevity or immortality - the fae, vamps and the werewolves all have this. Why not Walkers. Although the witches aren't supernatural beings they are essentially human  although they may wield magic/power.
Title: Re: Won't Mercy age?
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on November 13, 2007, 02:43:23 pm
yeah me too, i think mercy will live a long life but not an immortal one
Title: Re: mercy growing older while sam/adam still young and studly?
Post by: Patti L. on November 13, 2007, 03:35:00 pm
Pleased to be of assistance, as always. 
Title: Re: mercy growing older while sam/adam still young and studly?
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on November 13, 2007, 03:41:42 pm
glad to have you here patti
Title: Re: mercy growing older while sam/adam still young and studly?
Post by: Patti L. on November 13, 2007, 04:22:11 pm
Aw, now I feel all fuzzy! 
Not warm, unfortunately.  I've got a heating snafu at my place, & I had to go forgo heat where I am to heat the smaller space where I closed Canny in.  She had a poopy butt problem & I had to give her a half bath, so she needed the warmth to dry in.  Now she's on my lap, sleeping the sleep of the pooped out pussy cat.
Title: Re: mercy growing older while sam/adam still young and studly?
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on November 13, 2007, 04:24:23 pm
aww that is so cute, i understand that problem, my puppy tends to have it more
Title: Re: mercy growing older while sam/adam still young and studly?
Post by: Patti L. on November 13, 2007, 04:33:35 pm
Well, this is her own fault, in a way.  She swallowed a string, & it was coming out, which is enough of that topic.  Mercy. Mate.  Age.
Title: Re: mercy growing older while sam/adam still young and studly?
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on November 13, 2007, 04:37:21 pm
mercy, adam, alpha - normally has many mates (bran and wives is example) - would he really care if mercy kept getting older?  does he care as much as sam?
Title: Re: mercy growing older while sam/adam still young and studly?
Post by: jenniwee on November 13, 2007, 08:27:55 pm
OK, couple of things. 1) Patty has said (somewhere, will find if I must, don't ask me to annotate) that Sam has never met another walker and that he is only speculating about the possibility that he and Mercy could have children.  2) We don't know what Bran knows.  He could know everything (I think he does) or he could know nothing (you know nufink!!)  Can you tell it's paper time?  3) I think Patty has said somewhere (where is that *%#@ quote (yes, it's paper time again)) that Mercy will age differently than a human but she will age (weres remain static)

I think that the weres accept on a certain level that their loved ones will grow old and die.  Some probably find the time spent together worth the eventual pain and others don't (the whole crazy thing).  So even if Sam feels that Mercy will age normally, his desire to mate her and have children (ok that sounds kinda dirty) is not necessarily heartless or mercenary.

As for the kids, 1) he thinks that some could be born were and 2) he probably supposes that those born human would want to be were.  I think Patty also says somewhere (ok, I'll find these quotes after the papers are written) that Sam believes in the age of modern medicine, his children will have a better chance for survival.  Not sure if that in general or during the change.

Oh, one other thing.  All we know about Sam and Bran is that Sam was born to him before his Change, so Bran did not necessarily Change Sam.  I always figured they were changed at the same time.
Title: Re: mercy growing older while sam/adam still young and studly?
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on November 14, 2007, 10:28:27 am
thats interesting you bring up some good points jenniwee, its paper time for me too but i maade myself finish before i got online here  ;)
Title: Re: mercy growing older while sam/adam still young and studly?
Post by: jenniwee on November 15, 2007, 04:26:36 pm
Well, when they're 20 pages long finishing is a whole other ballgame.
Title: Re: Re: mercy growing older while sam/adam still young and studly?
Post by: Patti L. on November 15, 2007, 09:28:43 pm
Here's another thought that may have been brought up somewhere else, but that I'm going to throw out here now anyway:
Even children of Mercy's that aren't either were or walker when they're born MAY be more amenable to accepting the change to were.  Anyone read Wen Spencer's 'Ukiah Oregon' series?  Like the children of a 'breeder'.
Title: Re: mercy growing older while sam/adam still young and studly?
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on November 16, 2007, 12:49:10 pm
hmmm thats a really interesting idea, i've never read that but it sounds like it could be possible
Title: Fairy Brew?
Post by: Timesdragonfly on July 14, 2008, 05:21:07 pm
I was thinking about Adam and Mercy and how it's sad that Mercy is going to get old while Adam won't. Then I was thinking about the amount of that drink Tim made Mercy take. I was wondering if there would maybe be some long term effects... extra emphasis on the “long” there. ;) What do you think?
Title: Re: Fairy Brew?
Post by: Ellyll on July 14, 2008, 05:41:32 pm
Mercy doesn't know much about walkers.  We don't know how she ages yet.  She might have a really long lifespan naturally. 
Title: Re: Fairy Brew?
Post by: Timesdragonfly on July 14, 2008, 06:05:18 pm
could be... I seem to remember it saying somewhere in the first book that she didn't look her years, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Fairy Brew?
Post by: Good Mazoku on July 14, 2008, 10:05:08 pm
And we also have to keep in mind that Mercy's kind of resistant to magic in general, so the effects of the brew might be somewhat diluted... ;)
Title: Re: Fairy Brew?
Post by: Has on July 15, 2008, 02:20:59 am
And she threw most of it up- so I doubt its in her system- also another factor that the cup changed its nature and when Tim forced her to drink - its aim was to force Mercy under his will. While she didnt  drink as much when she drank under Adam's hand to heal her wounds. But its an interesting theory and you never know it could have an affect.
But I'm with Ellyll and Timesdragonfly that although Mercy isnt immortal- I do think she has a longer life span and Austin's brother also described her as a girl who was raped rather than a woman- so I think from that Mercy definitely looks younger than she is.
Title: Re: Fairy Brew?
Post by: CheeseBK on July 15, 2008, 04:00:37 am
shouldn't the vampires know a bit about that? I mean, know your foe or something like that ;)
Title: Re: Fairy Brew?
Post by: e_booklover on July 15, 2008, 04:14:33 am
Would you really trust the vampires to tell her the truth on this?  Stefan might but...
Title: Re: Fairy Brew?
Post by: Has on July 15, 2008, 04:18:11 am
Perhaps Stefan protected Mercy by not saying anything- perhaps it was like ignorance is bliss especially since he didnt tell the Seethe that she was a Walker.
Perhaps in Bone Crossed he will tell her more about her abilities- Patty did mention that Mercy will discover a new ability although that will be more of a side step than something new or powerful.
Title: Re: Fairy Brew?
Post by: raion on July 15, 2008, 08:47:10 am
Maybe but I doubt that. I think they will have their hands full with damage control in Bone Crossed. After all Marsilia found out that Mercy killed Andre and that Stefan had a hand in hushing it up :-\
Title: Re: Fairy Brew?
Post by: Konrad on July 15, 2008, 01:23:08 pm
In addition to 1) possible walker longevity and 2) fairy healing drink (we already saw lycanthropy treat age as a disease) there's also 3) the blood sharing with Stefan in Blood Bound.
Title: Re: Fairy Brew?
Post by: ArtAngel on July 15, 2008, 03:15:14 pm
Hmmm. It would be interesting to see how or if the fairy brew affects her long term. I'm more inclined to think not, besides strengthening her natural aversion to loss of control anyway :D.
Title: Re: Fairy Brew?
Post by: Patti L. on July 15, 2008, 04:19:34 pm
I'm with you, Artangel.
Title: Re: Fairy Brew?
Post by: CheeseBK on July 15, 2008, 09:48:48 pm
hmmm, do we know how long stefan is in the usa? cause walkers only exist there, I think... right?

Anyway, I think it would be interesting to see if the fairy brew 'left' a surprise
Title: Re: Fairy Brew?
Post by: houndwhisperer on July 16, 2008, 10:14:26 pm

In addition to 1) possible walker longevity and 2) fairy healing drink (we already saw lycanthropy treat age as a disease) there's also 3) the blood sharing with Stefan in Blood Bound.
I've been brooding over that blood sharing with Stefan. I don't quite trust his reassurance about no mind control, that still leaves other side effects possible that might crop up in Bone Crossed. And I wonder just exactly what his "loving words" in her ear were. I want to know!
Title: Re: Fairy Brew?
Post by: Has on July 17, 2008, 04:05:41 am
Oh I forgot about that Stefan's specialty was calling a person. But I doubt that he would use it against Mercy and perhaps her immunity will help her although I think her will power is just as strong. But I dont think Stefan's power has the same allure or affect that Adam has which sometimes affects  Mercy  subconsciously.
Title: Re: Fairy Brew?
Post by: Timesdragonfly on July 18, 2008, 02:35:12 am
Oh I forgot about that Stefan's specialty was calling a person. But I doubt that he would use it against Mercy and perhaps her immunity will help her although I think her will power is just as strong. But I dont think Stefan's power has the same allure or affect that Adam has which sometimes affects  Mercy  subconsciously.

ahh... but isn't that because subconsciously Mercy wants to follow him? Maybe now that she isn't fighting her feels for him, she'll be better able to resist the effects he has on her.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: PurpleMoon on February 13, 2009, 11:00:40 am
what about the chance of Mercy being changed?? I mean, in the insides they are all the same and she being a coyote and all, she might have an even better chance of survival...Bran offers to all in aspen creek the chance right? one month before thanksgiving.... as a last resource she could take the risk of the change so she wouldn't die of age and be with Adam...that would be so cool! lol...
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Patti L. on February 13, 2009, 08:38:56 pm
Patty's said that it's unlikely.  Mercy may not be human enough for the change to take on her.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Cole on February 13, 2009, 09:11:02 pm
but remember magic is finickey around her the change could be changed giving her the abilities of a wolf yet she keeps her coyote form as well as not have to change with the moon  so she can still have children and she would gain the reaction to silver possibly
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Linnea on February 15, 2009, 02:58:38 pm
Some of the fae have been having odd reactions to Mercy when they meet her.  They seem a bit surprised by something they see.  Mercy tells us she's a walker, but it seems to be second-hand knowledge, and no one else she knows seems to have ever actually met another walker before.  I'm going to just toss this out there, but it's possible that Mercy is not even really a walker.  Added with her father's mysterious origins, it seems possible that Mercy's father is actually the Coyote, making Mercy more like a half-fae or half-god, with extra juicy longevity.

~Linnea
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Patti L. on February 15, 2009, 03:03:46 pm
Lol!  Funny, and interesting.  Might take it to the "Bone Crossed Spoilers" area from this point, though.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: ArtAngel on February 15, 2009, 10:09:45 pm
Linnea- that is a cool idea!
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Pendle on February 23, 2009, 09:50:37 am
I'm going to just toss this out there, but it's possible that Mercy is not even really a walker.  Added with her father's mysterious origins, it seems possible that Mercy's father is actually the Coyote, making Mercy more like a half-fae or half-god, with extra juicy longevity.

That’s an interesting point. Perhaps it’s true, I do remember reading somewhere that Patty said, that Mercy had the walker idea wrong.

Besides where did Mercy get her walker info from anyway? Books, stories - that's subject to change isn't it?
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Zealith on February 23, 2009, 11:18:52 am
I suspect Charles told her.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Patti L. on February 23, 2009, 09:15:25 pm
Charles, or Samuel?  Or both?
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Zealith on February 23, 2009, 09:34:46 pm
I suppose it could have been either. But I was thinking Charles because he is the native american.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Patti L. on February 23, 2009, 09:47:20 pm
And I was thinking how Samuel wasn't as open in what he told her as she thought he was.
And how Charles intimidated her, and didn't seem (from what little she's said/thought about him) to talk with her very much.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Pendle on February 24, 2009, 08:33:55 am
And remember there are no walkers in Charles blood line.

Do you think Margi went to try and find Mercy's fathers family?
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Ellyll on February 24, 2009, 09:46:46 am
In MC, it said she did, but that she had no luck finding any.
Title: Re: Fairy Brew?
Post by: charmed on January 21, 2010, 04:17:15 pm
BUMP
Title: Re: Fairy Brew?
Post by: The Deposed King on January 30, 2010, 07:37:35 pm
BUMP

I'm actually interested in what the combination of the fairy brew and that staff that caused twin births among the sheep will possibly do to Mercy.


The Deposed King
Title: Re: Fairy Brew?
Post by: Patti L. on January 30, 2010, 08:12:05 pm
Well, given that she's on birth control, not a heck of a lot immediately.
Title: Re: Fairy Brew?
Post by: The Deposed King on January 30, 2010, 09:13:18 pm
Well, given that she's on birth control, not a heck of a lot immediately.

I guess it comes down to this.  Which do you believe in more.  Magic fertility treatments or scientific anti-fertility treatments.

add in that pro-fertility is wiht you as long as you have the staff and all it takes is one or two missed days with the anti-fertility treatments.



The Deposed King
Title: Re: Fairy Brew?
Post by: Patti L. on January 30, 2010, 09:16:29 pm
That's a point to consider too; she might have to go for a combination of birth control; the pill, diaphragm, and maybe condoms.
Title: Re: Fairy Brew?
Post by: Elle on January 31, 2010, 07:58:25 pm
I've moved the walking stick discussion to the walking stick thread in Iron Kissed. You can find it here (http://hurog.com/forum/index.php?topic=704.0).

Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Josi on February 04, 2010, 10:08:48 am
In MC Mercy's mother went to her great uncle (or somthing like that) after having no luck finding Mercy's father's family. He was the one who knew what she was and urged Margi into giving Mercy to the Marrok. (if i remember right) bOuNcY
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Patti L. on February 04, 2010, 10:25:50 am
I need to re-read, the book club chat is this weekend, and I thought that after she couldn't find any family for Mercy's father, then she went to the werewolf great-uncle and asked for help in coping with Mercy.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Pendle on February 04, 2010, 01:12:46 pm
Makes sense. Margi was seventeen and her baby turned into a pup. She'd want some help.

And David Thompson knew the bare facts, Mercy turned into a Coyote. Doesn't mean he knew all Walker traits.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Josi on February 04, 2010, 04:35:37 pm
It was the Great Werewolf uncle. He knew what she was when he saw her, although he may just have know she wasnt a were but a coyote of some form, and told her mother to give her to the marrok.  I think the sentence went something like: He took one look at me and knew what I was and told her to take me to the Marrok.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Patti L. on February 04, 2010, 04:49:14 pm
I don't think that's what Josi meant, Lord Raken, I think she just jumbled up "werewolf great-uncle" into "great werewolf uncle".
It was quite clearly stated that Mercy's father was killed.
And her scent would include coyote, even as a baby.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Lord_Raken on February 06, 2010, 09:53:54 am
So if her father was killed... does that rule him out as a Native American Fae? (we need to find a better name for that)
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: charmed on February 06, 2010, 11:07:25 am
raken, I think you need to re-read the books. Mercy specifically states that she is NOT fae and that Native American supernaturals are different from the fae.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Lord_Raken on February 07, 2010, 09:02:47 am
Which is why I was asking about another name... because American supernatural creatures are NOT Fae.

My question is: What do we call them, and is Mercy part (whatever we call the magical beings of America)?
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Has on February 07, 2010, 10:15:39 am
Well - Mercy's magical heritage is linked with native indian legends/magical beings and I don't think there  is a 'name' like the fae to encompass a magical race. Also going back to the topic of this thread there is the question whether she is immortal or not and as far as I am aware there is no indication that she will be via her being a Walker.
There is also other magical beings like skin walkers who are evil or shamans but again in the Mercyverse they are humans with magical powers so its more like the fact they are more like witches/wizards and not a race per se. :D
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: charmed on February 07, 2010, 01:54:01 pm
Additionally, since Patty Briggs has not chosen to give us a generic term, I don't think you need to worry about it.                        As  for the actual topic of this thread...Patty has not given us any reason to believe that walkers have longer live and we have seen that human mates of werewolves have human lifespans. So for now, I have to think that Mercy's lifespan will be normal.   
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Zealith on February 07, 2010, 03:05:09 pm
I think Patty mentioned in chat she probably wouldn't give Mercy a longer than average life span, because she likes keeping her characters underpowered.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: charmed on February 07, 2010, 03:06:00 pm
I though that she had Z, but couldn't remember for sure. :)Thanks  :-*
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Patti L. on February 07, 2010, 03:10:44 pm
For some reason I had the idea the walkers might have up to maybe 150-200 years, but not more.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Zealith on February 07, 2010, 03:13:31 pm
Well, the one mentioned in SB might have lived a good langth of time, but that could be from the vampire as easily as from being a walker.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: charmed on February 07, 2010, 03:46:23 pm
Didn't Blackwood says that he was responsible for that walkers extended life span? I'm not at home, so I can't chekc my book.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Patti L. on February 07, 2010, 03:47:26 pm
I don't recall either, it may have been implied by the Oakman too.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: ElefiNecol on February 07, 2010, 04:10:09 pm
For those you may not have seen Patty's previous aging answers as collected in the FAQ section: http://hurog.com/forum/index.php?topic=3064.0
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: charmed on February 07, 2010, 04:47:12 pm
Thanks Elefi :)
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Lord_Raken on February 07, 2010, 08:34:35 pm
From all presented evidence it appears that, baring a twist, Mercy can expect to live about as long as a regular human (assuming she doesn't get herself killed first).

As fun as it is to consider the possibility of Mercy being the immortal progeny of Native American gods, its pretty unlikely that is the case.

That being said, I suspect Mercy may be more than "just a Walker" but that's just a hunch.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: ElefiNecol on February 08, 2010, 08:30:26 am
Thanks Elefi :)

:)

That being said, I suspect Mercy may be more than "just a Walker" but that's just a hunch.

I always view Mercy as being incredibly special, so it is natural to want to elevate her to a higher status.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Lord_Raken on February 18, 2010, 03:19:40 pm
I just read through Bone Crossed and I noticed something. The Fae, especially the powerful ones, always compare Mercy to THE Coyote rather than with other walkers. I find this interesting. Perhaps the Fae know something about Mercy.

Also Baba Yaga Said that THE Coyote could "piece himself back together with the dawn." This supports the idea that Mercy's father was THE Coyote or at least make it more plausible. The reasoning goes: Mercy's father "died" but if he was THE Coyote (an entity known for getting into trouble) then his "death" may not have been permanent. If Mercy is the child of THE Coyote there may be more too her than she knows (she hasn't even learned all that walkers can do yet)... including a longer than average lifespan... it would also explain how trouble finds her so easily and, but the same token, she has incredible luck in getting out of tight situations.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: charmed on February 18, 2010, 03:21:25 pm
An interesting hypothesis, but I'll stick with the facts as Patty Briggs as given them, unless or until she changes her mind. :)
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Patti L. on February 18, 2010, 03:34:09 pm
I think they may be speaking generically, LR; yes, they would probably know of, and may have interacted with "THE Coyote", but they may be speaking of the species, too.  "the coyote is a brown or grey canid, sometimes with mixed coloring", like that.  That's the way I'm thinking of it, because no, I don't think that "Joe OldCoyote", Mercy's father, was "THE Coyote" either.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Avarel on February 18, 2010, 04:37:02 pm
It's a cool idea.


Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Lord_Raken on February 19, 2010, 02:38:15 pm
It's a cool idea.




Thanks  :)
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: jackie on February 19, 2010, 03:47:47 pm
Thanks Elefi :)

:)

That being said, I suspect Mercy may be more than "just a Walker" but that's just a hunch.

I always view Mercy as being incredibly special, so it is natural to want to elevate her to a higher status.


I know there is a tendency to want that for a character you like, but that doesn't seem to be the character Patty wrote.  She has left some wiggle room in the aging area, mentioning she looks a little young for her age, and not defining all walker atributes.   Give the woman a chance to write her story! 9)  I know it's hard to wait and you want to know now, but that's part of the fun.  I think she has tricks up her sleeve, that writer does.  Oh, and the Coyote too.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: charmed on February 20, 2010, 09:15:57 am
It's a cool idea.

It is a cool idea but unfortunately, Patty has said otherwise, as shown here (http://hurog.com/forum/index.php?topic=3064.0)

Thanks Elefi :)

:)

That being said, I suspect Mercy may be more than "just a Walker" but that's just a hunch.

I always view Mercy as being incredibly special, so it is natural to want to elevate her to a higher status.


I know there is a tendency to want that for a character you like, but that doesn't seem to be the character Patty wrote.  She has left some wiggle room in the aging area, mentioning she looks a little young for her age, and not defining all walker atributes.   Give the woman a chance to write her story! 9)  I know it's hard to wait and you want to know now, but that's part of the fun.  I think she has tricks up her sleeve, that writer does.  Oh, and the Coyote too.

I agree with you jackie. :)
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: ElefiNecol on February 20, 2010, 09:32:05 am
I know there is a tendency to want that for a character you like, but that doesn't seem to be the character Patty wrote.

Exactly what I was thinking, but didn't specifically say in my above post. :)  I am quite happy to sit back and let Patty introduce me to the real Mercy little by little.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: ironkitten on July 01, 2010, 06:52:04 pm
I bet Mercy is not like the were's immortal, but as I think everyone has said she could age slower and live longer, but how long is long? Her father was older than he appeared too from what I can tell. I can't see adam not dieing soon after his mate or toughing it out a bit either. Although I had hoped Mercy might get to live to be 100 - 120 years old that would be kewl. Still in the were wolf world that is tough to find a mate that won't age.
Title: Re: Fairy Brew?
Post by: little gray wolf on August 17, 2010, 12:15:36 pm
Patty says that Mercy won't get pregnate though.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: little gray wolf on August 18, 2010, 02:20:11 pm
It said in one of the books that she didn't look her age.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Pendle on August 24, 2010, 11:35:04 am
Where does it say it?

All I remember is the bit in BC where she describes her Mother as being not quite fifty but looking thirty. Mercy's looking younger could be down to good genetics.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: little gray wolf on August 24, 2010, 03:17:56 pm
I'm sorry, I can't remember. I know that someone posted it in a thread and I think I read it in MC. Sorry :-[
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Pendle on August 25, 2010, 02:46:39 am
No panic. I just don't remember it.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Patti L. on August 25, 2010, 05:02:33 am
We could look at her ID card thread...
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Elle on August 25, 2010, 05:26:12 am
You guys are cracking me up.

Re: Margi -- Not yet fifty but she looks thirty BC-10

I'd go with Pendle and say that it'll be good genetics that keep Mercy looking younger than her actual age.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: little gray wolf on August 25, 2010, 10:13:22 am
Good for you, Elle, but I still don't like not being able to remember where I read that quote from! >:(
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Elle on September 09, 2010, 11:10:16 am
I ran across an interesting few lines in Silver Borne. The fairy queen making a comment about Mercy to Ari:

"...I will kill this almost-mortal human who is not so human as your Phin or the boy (Gabriel). Half-blood is not human enough to be saved by the guesting laws of the Elphame."

It struck me as interesting and something that may come into play later with regards to Mercy's future.

Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Has on September 09, 2010, 11:49:44 am
That was the line that perked my interest about Mercy's mortality too. Although I don't think she's immortal - my theory is that the Walkers have a longer a lifespan - in the link that Mike posted about the native indian legends, one myth caught my eye about the coyote granting longer life for the animal people that was trapped.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Elle on September 09, 2010, 01:22:23 pm
I don't see her as being immortal either, just something more than mortal. Mortal+, maybe.  :P
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Has on September 09, 2010, 01:24:03 pm
How about Extra Strength mortality? It kinds of fits especially since Mercy has more lives than a cat :D
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Elle on September 09, 2010, 01:45:52 pm
That's a good one, Has. I like it. Extra Strength mortality.  LOL
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: charmed on September 09, 2010, 03:04:06 pm
 LOL LOL LOL

That line caught my eye too. It left me wondering, I hope Patty picks it up again.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: ArtAngel on September 09, 2010, 04:16:58 pm
Huh... I totally missed that line! I'm really curious to see where Patty takes that idea.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Mike Briggs on September 09, 2010, 05:07:07 pm
Actually, this is an issue that Patty and I have talked about several times.  She STILL hasn't decided how Mercy ages, though I think she's leaning to "slightly slower than normal".  The problem is that making all the "cool" people immortal is kind of a cop out.  We could just rename her Mary Sue, and decide that nothing bad can ever happen to her.  Besides, immortality is it's own kind of prison.  Without trying to sound like religious nutballs, we're pretty convinced that this life isn't the end of existence.  We're here for a while, and then the adventure continues elsewhere.  Even if you don't believe in some flavor of life after death, this life must mean something.  It's what you do with your time here that defines you, and gives life meaning.

Immortality sounds awesome, but in a way it's the chicken's solution to the unknown.  My characters live forever, HAH!  They don't get old, and they never die.  But they watch everything around them age, and die, and change until it drives them crazy and they seek death.  Maybe that's not a happy ever after either. 

Patty and I aren't ancient, but we're well into middle age.  When I was twenty I wanted to live forever, and death was a distant but frightening specter.  Now, I can see that, someday, I'll be ready for the next phase of existence, whatever that may mean.  Don't get me wrong, I'm having a grand time, and I intend to get everything I can out of this ride, but I'm less worried about the fact that someday the party will be over.   Now, I think, if someone offered me immortality on a platter, I'd probably refuse.  (On the other hand, if they offered to keep this aging body running smoothly for the next forty years I'd be overjoyed!).  Patty feels much the same way.  My parents are in their seventies, and in remarkably good health and good spirits, but they seem almost casual in their acceptance that their turn on this blue marble is drawing to a close.  I take that as a sign of a life well-lived.

Basically, it's hard for us to consider a lifetime well-lived a tragedy.   We can expect a shade over seventy years before the final curtain is drawn, and maybe that's enough.  Maybe we don't need to live forever in order to be happy, for our lives to have meaning, or to be "complete" (whatever that means).  And maybe, what's good enough for all of us is also good enough for Mercy.

So, the question is still up in the air.   Somehow, I keep hearing the old Queen   song from "Highlander" (and yes, Patty has ALL of them on DVD) -- "Who wants to live forever?"    Does Mercy need forever?  Is it better to live until you're sick of life, and seek death as an escape, or to exit stage left while life is still sweet? 

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Jax on September 09, 2010, 05:21:54 pm
I want to live a long and fulfulling life. But I've watched too many family members get horribly ill, or too old and frail to enjoy what life has to offer. There is so much I want to try and to learn, that I'd love an extended lifespan with the good health to enjoy it. But there would be a time to say goodbye. To quote Peter Pan, "To die would be an awfully big adventure." At some point, I'd want, no, I'd need to take that adventure. Just not yet.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Mike Briggs on September 09, 2010, 05:27:05 pm
^ This!  Jax just managed to state exactly what I was trying (and failing) to communicate.   Thanks Jax!
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Patti L. on September 09, 2010, 06:43:56 pm
That thing that gets passed around the net from time to time, that Nottled had in part as her sig line for a while, says it for me.
"The point of life is not to arrive at some point 120 years after birth in a well toned and perfectly preserved body, prim and dignified, but to slide in under the wire, body sagging with use, favorite beverage in one hand, a slab of (partially eaten) chocolate in the other, screaming "Whoo, what a ride!""
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: little gray wolf on September 10, 2010, 10:01:34 am
Love that quote Patty!
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: ArtAngel on September 10, 2010, 11:43:40 am
I'm glad to hear that Mike! I agree that immortality has so many more problems than mortality does and I was a bit worried (well, sort of, I never got the feeling that Mercy would be immortal). I would like to see her have a longer life, but more for Adam's sake than hers.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: little gray wolf on September 10, 2010, 03:19:54 pm
If she lives through the vampires, fae, witches, wolves, and oth LOLer things that go bump in the night.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Has on September 10, 2010, 03:57:03 pm
I'm glad to hear that Mike! I agree that immortality has so many more problems than mortality does and I was a bit worried (well, sort of, I never got the feeling that Mercy would be immortal). I would like to see her have a longer life, but more for Adam's sake than hers.

I totally agree!!! And look at how the vampires and wolves cope with longevity - not very well. But I also hope she has a longer lifespan because I think Adam needs that especially since I don't think he wont be able to cope very well although I don't want her being immortal.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: CarolKat on September 10, 2010, 04:19:24 pm
Mercy doesn't need to be immortal, just maybe more were-like so Adam doesn't have to watch her die and go on with his life without her.
Extended life as long as one is relatively healthy is not a bad thing. It's being ill and debilitated that makes living long a hardship.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: charmed on September 10, 2010, 04:21:59 pm
Mercy doesn't need to be immortal, just maybe more were-like so Adam doesn't have to watch her die and go on with his life without her.
Extended life as long as one is relatively healthy is not a bad thing. It's being ill and debilitated that makes living long a hardship.

yes, I agree.

Patti, I've seen variations of that quote and I like them all. It's a good philosophy.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Has on September 10, 2010, 04:26:33 pm
But isn't being were like immortal? They don't age physically but mentally and emotionally it will be draining as it will definitely take a psychological toll. But having an extended lifespan although aging more slowly is like being extra mortal (scientists are already saying they can do this in the near future). Am I making sense because I am pretty sleep deprived :P :D
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: CarolKat on September 10, 2010, 04:32:49 pm
Yes Has you are making sense! But I don't think were is immortal just a very extended lifespan.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Has on September 10, 2010, 05:01:46 pm
I think the full blooded fae are truly immortal but even then they can fade or die - I suppose there are levels of immortality. With weres they look young but most don't live long so it kind of evens out LOL
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Mike Briggs on September 10, 2010, 05:36:39 pm
I guess it depends on what you mean by immortal.  The werewolves don't age in Patty's world, so if nothing kills them, they can live essentially forever.   However, they CAN be killed, or choose to commit suicide.  And, once dead, it's permanent. 

Some of the Fae are not only immune to aging, but pretty darn tough to kill.  And of course, many cultures have gods that are truly immortal, as in immune to death.  Can't kill 'em, can't hurt 'em, and they'll kick your but without half trying.

In the old legends, "mortal"  (which literally means 'dead') is often used to refer to humans.  Sometimes it refers to our relatively short lifespan, but other times I think it's a reference to our being spiritually dead, or even just different that the inhumans.  Even fae without extreme longevity (like Selkies for example) often refer to humans as "mortals", so in that sense being not-mortal doesn't mean you live forever.

So, Mercy is probably mortal, though with a slightly longer life than most.  Patty might make her "immortal" like the wolves, but certainly not like the gods.  And, of course, she's not entirely human, and so fae may refer to her as "not mortal".   
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: little gray wolf on September 11, 2010, 12:24:16 pm
Hmmm... Very deep thoughts. :P
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: tigerlion16 on February 01, 2011, 03:51:11 am
remember how in SB Adam was frightening when mercy was with the fairy queen for a day/month?? thats why i think that mercy needs at least a slightly extended life..and i wonder if he was just like that becoz mercy was a prisoner or because he didnt have her?
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Patti L. on February 01, 2011, 08:26:21 am
It was probably some of each, tigerlion; their bond was severed by the black magic, and she was a prisoner, he didn't know if she was even alive; (I just did a re-read, it's right at the 'tip of my tongue') a werewolf who has died can sometimes be felt in the pack bonds for a time after they die, but the mate bond goes.  With their mate bond severed, and no way to physically find her, he was frantic because he didn't know if she was alive or not, in danger or in need of revenge. 
While wolves in the wild mate 'for life', if one of the pair dies, the other will usually find another mate after a period of grieving or adjustment.  Werewolves whose bond is less intense will do so too, if they can find a mate; see Bran & BlueJay Woman then Leah, Asil survived Sarai's death, and likely most who mate to human women survive that, probably finding another human mate in a decade or so.
Title: Age issues?
Post by: Chelle on February 01, 2011, 11:50:51 am
I've been wondering about this for a while.

If all the Weres live on for ages and ages, what will come of Mercy? Does she also age slowly like the rest of them or will she just grow old and die?  :(

She is currently (during Silver Bourne) in her early thirties, is that correct?
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Patti L. on February 01, 2011, 12:58:59 pm
Chelle, you might want to look here:  http://www.hurog.com/forum/index.php?board=137.0 "Were FAQs" to check on some of the issues you're wondering about. 
--I had to ask for help from another mod to find this main thread to merge yours into, since it wasn't in the same area where you put your original question.  :D
So ask, someone will be happy to direct you to existing threads on subjects you're wondering about.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Chelle on February 02, 2011, 04:59:56 am
Thanks so much!
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: simplydreams on February 13, 2011, 12:30:04 pm
I'm a sucker for happy endings, so I would love for Mercy to be immortal so she and Adam could live forever. But as much as I'd like to see that happening, I don't think Patty will write Mercy immortal.
The biggest reason why I'd like for Mercy to not age is that I don't see Adam getting over her death. I think he would be like Mercy's foster father and commit suicide, and that makes me kind of sad.

I loved the THE Coyote idea. I don't think it's very likely, but it is a cool idea nonetheless.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Pendle on February 17, 2011, 08:52:57 am
The biggest reason why I'd like for Mercy to not age is that I don't see Adam getting over her death. I think he would be like Mercy's foster father and commit suicide, and that makes me kind of sad.

I’m kind of split about this. I agree with you about the never getting over Mercy’s death just by his reaction at the end of SB. But I can also imagine Mercy telling him to live when she’s gone.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: little gray wolf on February 17, 2011, 10:56:47 am
maybe she has a longer than normal lifespan
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: alan on July 10, 2011, 05:30:40 pm
A were-walker would be a very interesting mix.  Would she look like more like a  were after that or would she stay a coyote?  Or a mix giving her more strength and speed than she's already got.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: little gray wolf on July 12, 2011, 02:55:38 am
I don't think they can be changed, with their resistance to magic.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Patti L. on July 12, 2011, 06:33:43 am
It's off topic, and I believe it has been answered; the Walker will trump the were virus.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Meghan on July 15, 2012, 01:10:03 pm
I dont know if its just me but i couldnt see Adam surviving without Mercy when you see all the little things in the way Adam cares about her i just feel it would be really out of character for Adam to be able to move on if he lost Mercy. I think there will be some kind of loop hole maybe a fae can tie there lives together or something or maybe there mating bond has a weird twist or something odd with the walking stick. I just really think Adam without Mercy wouldny be possible.. Maybe thats just me  :-[
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: BillG on July 16, 2012, 01:54:24 am
Mercy's mother was strictly human and her father was an avatar of Coyote, not Coyote.
But he was not strictly human.
And she has had significant interaction with Coyote and Fae, as the walking stick that stuck shows.
I do not think she should expect a normal life-span.
Or maybe I'm just hoping.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: White roses on July 28, 2012, 10:40:53 pm
vampire blood might have altered  her 'normal' life span
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: mellinatre on February 11, 2015, 04:06:10 am
this is a so old question but well with all the news that we have now seems more sure that she, thanks to her connection with Coyote, will be able to live for a long time

but apart from this almost fact, the thing that I really love is how also in that way Mercy will probably would always look older than Adam...like Adam look as a man of 20-25 years old and she look as a woman in her 30s...she is the first heroine that I read about that look older than her lover/husband/fiancé in the paranormal genre, for me it's a fact that make her unique and different from other famous protagonists
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Patti L. on February 11, 2015, 09:37:06 am
Or they could both lose their next fight and die together.
If they did not have supernatural fights to deal with... Yeah, they could be fighting space monsters on another planet in centuries to come.  I doubt it, though.  Mercy's healing just won't support it. Eventually she's going to be crippled permanently by osteo or tissue tear/assault injuries.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: mellinatre on February 11, 2015, 10:01:20 am
I surely hope that Patricia Briggs will give us a lot more books before something so tragic will come to happen  8)

it will be so disappointing to have find an author that is willing to write a series indefinitely to only discover that her heroine is doomed to such a sadly ending  ;D



Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Patti L. on February 11, 2015, 10:03:11 am
Well, I don't think Patty has that in mind, but she didn't have Tim's actions in mind in "Iron Kissed", and look what we've got! 
She does enjoy "playing with her imaginary friends", so she'll be trying to avoid that.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: mellinatre on February 11, 2015, 10:32:21 am
 :o Really??? WOW I didn't know that and hmmmm I need to be careful for sure from now on when I read her books because Tim's aggression against Mercy have made me cry like a baby the first time I read it :-[ , and also now I skip it when I re-read that book  :-' :-' :-' but I make sure to enjoy every single time his death, that always cheer me up a lot
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: lonewolfPhila on March 02, 2015, 10:53:24 pm
The way I understand it is there's really no way of knowing how long Mercy can live. What I mean is according to the story line the vamps made it a point of making sure walkers didn't die of old age. Her half brother is pretty old and still kinda youthful looking. I like that Mercy doesn't have immortality the way weres do and her body vulnerable. It makes her truly heroic. She's not going to shy away from doing what needs to be done because someone might hurt or kill her she'll always risk it all. That's better then finding some sort of immortality through pack magic or something else. Sure Adam might out live her but she might out live him too. It's not like being a werewolf means Adam is the favorite in the live a long life contest.The way I see it is the weaker the hero seems the better it is when they prevail. Loved ones just die sometimes it's part of life and I like that Mercy doesn't let something like certain death for killing Andre at the hands of Marsilia stop her from killing him anyway. Not that she got killed for doing it but she thought they would kill her and that fear didn't stop her it never does. That's one of the things I really love about Mercy. 
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Kristenann on May 01, 2016, 02:35:23 pm
Mercy mentioned Adam looking like someone mostly in their early twenties and that seeming to be typical of there werewolves, but I believe she looks exactly like what she is, someone who's in their thirties. I forget how old her brother Gary was said to look, and at what age Mercy will stop at if she is going to live longer. I also wonder why werewolves are strong, heal quickly, stay young looking which age is reversed and are pretty much immortal when Mercy's species seems to have none of those things? Questions about their beginnings I guess and how exactly they came to be so power of creatures.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: pondhawk on May 02, 2016, 10:18:22 am
The way I understand it is there's really no way of knowing how long Mercy can live. What I mean is according to the story line the vamps made it a point of making sure walkers didn't die of old age. Her half brother is pretty old and still kinda youthful looking. I like that Mercy doesn't have immortality the way weres do and her body vulnerable. It makes her truly heroic. She's not going to shy away from doing what needs to be done because someone might hurt or kill her she'll always risk it all. That's better then finding some sort of immortality through pack magic or something else. Sure Adam might out live her but she might out live him too. It's not like being a werewolf means Adam is the favorite in the live a long life contest.The way I see it is the weaker the hero seems the better it is when they prevail. Loved ones just die sometimes it's part of life and I like that Mercy doesn't let something like certain death for killing Andre at the hands of Marsilia stop her from killing him anyway. Not that she got killed for doing it but she thought they would kill her and that fear didn't stop her it never does. That's one of the things I really love about Mercy.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Mercy and the Aging Question
Post by: Patti L. on May 02, 2016, 11:27:11 am
Thirded; with the proviso that - I think in River Marked - it mentions that while werewolves in general look in their early to mid twenties, the responsibilities Adam has, and his care for them, make him look 10 years older, so he looks younger when Mercy gets him to herself on the honeymoon, when he sheds that... for a while.
He needs Bran to teach him how to look unconcerned.

Mercy, like the rest of us, could be hit by a runaway car at any time (Gee, like Joe OldCoyote?) and die tomorrow; if she stays (ha ha ha ha ha) away from scary stuff, she could in theory live over a century, like half-brother Gary, but who expects that to happen?

Right.

Probably - probably, given Gary - she'll look about the same age she does now, barring scars.