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Re: Legislation of the werewolves
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2008, 10:43:12 am »
The tape was given only to the police and a policeman sent it to the politicians doing the legistlation - so the public shouldn't have seen it. I wonder how long before the police or politicians leak it though.

I don't trust that lawyer either, Has. I think she's not just going to forget that Mercy isn't human.

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Re: Legislation of the werewolves
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2008, 12:59:21 pm »
I know - I think that the tape will leak or perhaps another incident maybe caught on camera, I think the werewolves are going to face a very tough time.
And yep even though she suppose to have the client confidentiality agreement, I wonder if she hears about the incident with Mercy's attack and Adam's freak out on Tim's corpse. The John Lauren society must have links with Washington with some anti supernatural politicians- will she use this against Adam and Mercy especially since she knows that Mercy isn't fully human either?
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Re: Legislation of the werewolves
« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2008, 10:32:06 am »
Presumably the problem the fae have in being treated differently in law, including being subject to registration and reservations, is that they are not human and wouldn't want to claim to be human - they are too proud of what they are.  And so far it has worked to their benefit, as through being gathered together in reservations away from humans they have regained their connection with Underhill. 

But all weres are born human, and will surely be able to claim human rights just as any other human.  They just happen to have a virus (think HIV, with the initial reactions and the current ones).  Registration and reservations for weres should be as unacceptable as for any other group of humans.

In Europe, a were would have the same legal rights as any other human, under the European Convention on Human Rights.  Not too sure about the USA though.  Any US lawyers on this board?

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« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2008, 11:20:13 am »
Faellie, you are being logical and reasonable. However, humans as a whole tend not to react logically or reasonably to those who are different. Remember how people reacted to HIV patients at the beginning? It was, sadly, common practice at one time in the US to commit forced sterilization on mentally retarded people, obese people are still harasses. teased and discriminated against, legally no less. I have faint hope that the were's in Patty's world will fare better.
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Re: Legislation of the werewolves
« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2008, 11:56:58 am »
I highly doubt it would be possible for the werewolves to live in reservations, etc... because they live in packs seperate from each other, I don't think they would be able to combine packs with two people who were formerly Alphas having to submit to the more dominant one.

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Well, no, not legally, that is in fact considered a hate crime and can be prosecuted as such, but it is rarely done.

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Re: Legislation of the werewolves
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2008, 02:00:04 pm »
Well they are trying to discriminate obese people here and its in Europe- Some experts are advocating that the obese shouldnt be treated on the NHS and that also includes smokers and drinkers. And I know recently in Egypt they are arresting people with HIV and locking them up which is insane and inhumane :(
 
But I think there will be legislators and some factions who will try to remove the human rights of the werewolves - In IK they are trying to label them as an endangered spieces, which implies they are animals rather than humans.
And your right dsgholam there is no way packs could live in reservations - they will tear each other apart.
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« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2008, 01:35:24 pm »
Sorry but whats the NHS?

BTW its kinda off topic but those are my schools "initials" LOL  Northwest High School = NHS

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« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2008, 01:40:48 pm »
National Health System in England.  It's their healthcare system. 
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« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2008, 01:56:24 pm »
Has,  there is actually some similar talk in the US, even though we only have Medicaid and Medicare which only covers the elderly and some others.  If the health insurance companies could get away with it, they would refuse coverage to anyone who wasn't healthy!

But I think it will be in the Mercy Thompsen world how it is in our world.  There are always those who turn on the different.  Hopefully there will also be those who have the courage to stand with the persecuted and successfully defend all of us.

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« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2008, 02:10:13 pm »
I find that really scary- The whole point about the NHS (sorry Iris about the non explaination) is to treat everyone equally. That was one of the reasons why it was set up about 50 years ago. I cant  not help think that the Government is trying to privitize it - previous Governments have attempted it.
But if they try to this what else could stop them treating other 'undesirables'- What about people with disabilities? Mental illness?
When I read things like this it gives me chills and I like how the Mercy world is highlighting this. This is why I love sci-fi/fantasy. It asks the questions and tries to answer issues/ideas that many people ignore or are afraid to broach.
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« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2008, 07:31:42 pm »
LOL  thats fine.

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« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2008, 01:25:12 am »
The problem about discrimination is always a difficult one. The NHS doesn't have enough to treat everyone, so they use some discrimination to decide who to treat. For instance they don't give liver transplants to alcoholics unless they have given up for some time, otherwise the transplant gets rejected again in 1-2 years. But it is fair? Should they just use chance / lottery to decide who, or should they give it to the people who would get the most benefit out of it? e.g. Someone whose liver transplant would last for many years, not just 1-2 years?

It is great that books open these questions so we do think about them, and also in a different setting where we're not so personally involved - we might already have strong opinions on obesity / drink / etc, but maybe not on werewolves? Or maybe we do now  :)

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« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2008, 01:18:21 pm »
I think that once the Fae and the Werewolves came out of the closet I doubt that the rest can hide especially if they could exist then logically it would mean other supernaturals would too. And would the government  and other suspicious bodies would look into that- and if the rest do come out of the closet either by force, accident or on purpose - it looks like things are going to get sticky. Would the government impose a registration scheme like they did with X-men movies/comics - I can see this becoming similar to what the Jews suffered in Nazi Germany. But it doesn't help with organizations like the evil woman lawyer belongs to or Tim's group who will try to incite hatred and violence.
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« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2008, 02:26:12 pm »
But if they try to this what else could stop them treating other 'undesirables'- What about people with disabilities? Mental illness?

I'm doing a current events project it school, and some of the information I've found is about this.
There was a movment in the US and Europe early in the century, I think it was called the neogenetic, when they forcably sterilized 'undesirables', as well as doing other things like that.
 

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« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2008, 02:48:58 pm »
Yeah and when the Nazi's were in power they also gassed and forcibly sterilized as well performed  experiments on the disabled :(
Its like that film Gattaca where they tested children at birth for prospective diseases or illnesses and children were created in test tubes instead of naturally. I think some experts are stating that babies should be tested at birth but there will def be insurance companies or other organisations who would use this against those who could have disabilities or illnesses. As a disabled person the whole concept of eugenics gives me chills.
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