Baum Diggity: Def, Mid! 13:01
Varg: I would like to see more walkers! 13:02
Valery: I'd really like to see Wolf interact with Adam as a human--that would be an interesting conversation, anyway. 13:02
Valery: he just saw him as werewolf in RM 13:03
CarolKat: I like that there are more walkers and I would like to see more of them, it seems not all have the same abilities. 13:03
Baum Diggity: I'd like to see more of Raven. Or Thunderbird and his super-rad boots 13:03
CarolKat: I wonder what else Mercy can do that she doesn't know about. 13:03
Roz: Maybe that will be one of Patty's side stories? 13:03
Valery: Oh, yes, Gordon was a great character. 13:03
AuroraPet: To jump back a bit..and sorry i was trying to catch up, i think Mercy is already under Marsilias attention and Marsilia is going to be an issue. 13:03
Has_mod: No worries AuroraPet! 13:04
Baum Diggity: I think the next book should expand on that, AP 13:04
Baum Diggity: And, CK, actually. HM 13:04
Baum Diggity: *Hm....two for one 13:04
Valery: Something would have to be done about Marsillia if she starts taking active steps against Mercy. And, like I say, Mercy has some powerful friends 13:05
AuroraPet: what was the threat of one lone walker that barely knew what is was to be or what she was? Marsilia clearly loves and covets Stefen. otherwise why would she have tossed him nearly dead in Mercy's lap, the one other being he adores more than her? 13:05
Varg: the trouble with perhaps removing Marsilia is that you would no know who would replace her. 13:06
AuroraPet: There is something more there, Ill wait till patricia fills us in The anticipation is worth it

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Valery: Yeah, Varg, I don't think Stefan is interested in the job. 13:06
Baum Diggity: Yeah...that could get freaky.... 13:06
Roz: No, not Stefan 13:06
Baum Diggity: Wulfe for president? 13:06
Baum Diggity: No, no thanks. 13:06
Roz: But, Wolfe? 13:06
CarolKat: I would hate for someone like Gauntlet man or Wolfe becoming the vamp in charge. 13:06
Roz: Yes, sorry, Wulfe 13:06
Baum Diggity: Gauntlet man..... 13:07
Varg: I don't think Wulfe wants to be leader of the seethe. 13:07
Valery: Wulfe might be a lot more dangerous, but seems to be more pragmatic, than Marsillia 13:07
Roz: I have to say, whenever I read "Wulfe" I always say it like in "Amadeus,"

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Has_mod: I think Stefan would be reluctant to take over but I think its starting to foreshadow that he may be in charge. His ideas of presenting a caring 'side' of the vamps is interesting and its a hint of things to come 13:07
Baum Diggity: Yet another fun layer of amusement when reading about him. 13:07
Valery: Vulf? 13:07
Has_mod: Hey Katy!!! 13:08
Roz: I don't see him wanting to be in charge of all those other vamps 13:08
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Varg: Hi katy! 13:08
katy: Hi! 13:08
Roz: @Valery..."Vulfeeeee"

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Varg: Wulfe seems to be happy not being top dog. Based on what little we have seen of him so far. 13:08
Varg: Roz 13:09
Roz: I am sure it's all illusion, but Wulfe seems very disconnected in a strange way. 13:09
Baum Diggity: He is layers like an onion. An evil onion I don't want to peel. But really do. 13:09
Varg: Yes, perhaps it is the shamanistic qualities or the magic that makes it seem he is somehow somewhat removed from the world. 13:09
big city wolf: Isn't Wulf a witch also, or something like that? 13:09
Roz: Baum, you like that dirty, dark side, don't you!?

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Valery: That head-thumping to the rhythm of Mercy's heartbeat is super-creepy 13:09
Varg: He seems to be a magic practicioner anyway. 13:09
Baum Diggity:

...got me.... 13:10
Baum Diggity: They call him the wizard, but he's something else... 13:10
Has_mod: He is called the Wizard - maybe he was really one as a human? 13:10
Baum Diggity: well, something. 13:10
Varg: An evil onion.... The imagery in my head now. 13:10
e_booklover: I think Wulfe is creepy and he will do whatever it takes to protect the vampires even if is is sort of Stefan's ally 13:10
Roz: Gosh, in so many other books we've read (recently), Has, that makes a bad combination...vampire and witch/warlock/?? 13:11
Baum Diggity: well, he owes Stefan....now that would be an interesting backstory... 13:11
katy: varg, that's exactly what I was thinking -- now every time wulfe appears, I'll be thinking, "you evil onion, you!" 13:11
Baum Diggity:

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Baum Diggity: glad to help 13:12
Has_mod: Yep Magic users and vamps not a good combo - look at the sorcerer vamp from Blood Bound 13:12
AuroraPet: The witches are even worse in The Alpha Omega spin off...I cant imagine how much worse one could be with a Vamp 13:12
Varg: "Thanks" BD 13:12
Valery: But I think everything Wulfe did would be for the good of the seethe--not letting any personal likes or vendettas get in his way. 13:12
Roz: The one example that Patty has written about certainly didn't go well, of course that was mixing a demon in as well. 13:13
Varg: He seems to be more about protecting the seethe than any one vamp. 13:13
Valery: So if killing Stefan was for the good of all, he'd do it without a qualm. Very scary. 13:13
Baum Diggity: And he can make those! 13:13
Valery: So in a way, good and evil don't really apply to Wulfe. 13:13
Varg: Perhaps he was a witch before he was made? 13:13
AuroraPet: Oh yes, the mind controlling demon. 13:14
Varg: How so Valery? 13:14
Valery: Well, he wouldn't kill just because he didn't like someone, right? and would save someone because he did. 13:14
Valery: His decisions would be "above" that 13:14
katy: I wonder if Mercy knows more about Wulfe's abilities now, since it sounds like she's been collaborating with him to remove all tracking devices from the seethe's cars 13:14
Valery: hard to explain. 13:14
Valery: cold-blooded, maybe is what I mean. 13:15
Roz: Hmm, the witches that we have met in Mercy's world, the old Russian, the blind/good witch, and Asil's wife and ward...I don't see them being wolves, except Asil's wife. 13:15
Baum Diggity: I think he's not strictly for the good of the seethe, or for the bad of others. Layers of something. 13:16
Varg: I think I understand, he is more pragmatic and ruthless but less passionate apparently. He is not evil he is loyal? The way he was treating his sheep does not exactly make him any kind of good or neutral though. 13:16
katy: I would say those are just different layers of good and evil -- he might put off acting for personal reasons if he thought he'd be able to use the situation for the seethe later. Hmm.. layers... see what you've done BD 13:16
Roz: Am I missing anyone besides the demon one in BB? 13:16
AuroraPet: But can you see the Ward as a Vamp as well. That would be a truly formiddiable opponant. 13:16
Varg: A true onion!

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Baum Diggity: @Varg - that's kind of how I see him 13:17
Roz: Ohhh, the witch/vamire that was a ghost 13:17
big city wolf: She was truly nasty. 13:17
katy: I'm not sure who Wulfe is loyal to, if anyone. Maybe only to himself. I get the feel that he is biding his time in the seethe somehow. 13:17
big city wolf: She was even nasty as a ghost. 13:17
Baum Diggity: Oh, yeah, he's waiting to make a move on something. 13:17
Baum Diggity: I sense there won't be much stopping him when he does. 13:18
AuroraPet: She learned some really nasty tricks, had a werewolf spirit Omega at her control and imagine her with Vamp powers. That would be a hell of a mess. 13:18
Varg: Perhaps he has somewhere he would rather be? 13:18
AuroraPet: even for Mercy 13:18
Has_mod: I agree Katy! I think he's a little crazy and has his own agenda that just makes sense to him

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Baum Diggity: Don't we all? 13:18
Valery: She was evil. Wulfe would need a better reason for killing than revenge. 13:18
katy: I don't think Marsilia is his maker -- I wonder if his maker is still around. 13:18
Baum Diggity: I'm channelling Hawaii.... 13:18
Varg: BD true! 13:18
Baum Diggity: He's older than Marsilia. Shreck level old. 13:18
Varg: Older and stranger and with an agenda of his very own. Several layers down. 13:19
Valery: Bran-level old? 13:19
Baum Diggity: Probably about that.....yikes. 13:19
Baum Diggity: Evil wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a mystery wrapped in....bacon? 13:20
Baum Diggity: no, that's not right. 13:20
Valery:

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AuroraPet: you had me at bacon... 13:20
Roz: @katy, I think that's right, Marsillia is not his sire 13:20
Baum Diggity:

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Varg: Bacon makes everything better. *nods* even evil onions. 13:20
Valery: gosh, there are a lot vamps in Marsillia's seethe that she didn't make, don't you think? 13:21
Baum Diggity: MMM, hors d'oevres from hades.... 13:21
Valery: Bacon and onions--you're making me hungry 13:21
katy: Yes, but that's why I don't want to associate him with bacon! Eek! 13:21
big city wolf: It sounds like it. I wonder how many there are in her seeth. 13:21
Roz: Were they all "banished" for some reason or another, a good place to dump naughty vamps? 13:21
Baum Diggity: Yeah, and most came to her after she went to WA? How's that? 13:21
Baum Diggity: Ah, good thinking, Roz 13:21
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katy: Yes, I've wondered if her seethe is sort of the prison colony of the vamp world 13:22
Varg: It does seem to be a dumping ground of the unwanted now that you mention it. 13:22
Roz: Vampire prison/hell? 13:22
Valery: Poor tri-cities, a dumping ground for misfit vamps! 13:22
Roz: But, now that there are so many humans there, not so much a hell any longer? 13:22
Baum Diggity: oh, geez, the island of misfit toys... 13:22
Varg: Is that because they are the oldes seethe in the US and any newer seethes came later and so was not a banishment into the wilderness? 13:23
katy: Do we have any clues as to who Marsilia's maker is/was? Is she still loyal to someone back in Europe? 13:23
Varg: *oldest 13:23
Has_mod: Well Master of Milan exiled her there There was no people when kicked out Marsilia 13:23
Baum Diggity: It was the lord of the night..... 13:23
Baum Diggity: Well, no Europeans... 13:23
big city wolf: It does't sound like she has much, if any, contact with Europe. 13:23
Roz: who preferred were blood 13:23
Varg: Hi Kyria 13:23
Valery: only the Native people. who had walkers who could kill vamps 13:23
katy: We know he banished her there, but I'm not sure we know he's her maker 13:24
Roz: Jailers then, sort of? 13:24
Baum Diggity: I think they mention it in one of the earlier books 13:24
Baum Diggity: BC 13:24
Roz: Why was she asleep for so long? 13:24
Valery: but some vamp in Milan probably didn't know about Walkers 13:24
AuroraPet: And Marsilia and the out west Vamps made it their mission to wipe out Walkers. Thats in one of the books....i wish I could remember which one. 13:24
kyria: Hi Varg, et al. 13:24
Baum Diggity: Pouty pouterson 13:24
Roz: Why didn't she wake up, really, until Mercy came along? 13:24
Baum Diggity: Hi, Kyria! 13:24
katy: Stefan mentioned - I think near the beginning of Blood Bound -- that he considered going over her head about the Daniel situation. I wonder who he would have gone to. 13:25
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Varg: Because nothing was reallt changing until then? 13:25
Baum Diggity: No, she'd pouted for a while 13:25
Varg: *really 13:25
Baum Diggity: He mentions a ruling council in BC.... 13:25
katy: Hi Kyria! 13:25
Varg: pouted *snicker* 13:25
Baum Diggity: I wonder who.... 13:25
Valery: Very lucky that Stefan's "fugue" didn't las as long as Marsila's 13:25
Baum Diggity: She was a grumpy gills for a while 13:25
AuroraPet: Ennui i imagine Roz 13:25
Has_mod: Ohhh I forgot about that mention. 13:26
Varg: And where is that rulling council. 13:26
Valery: she didn't have a Mercy to pull her out of hers, though 13:26
AuroraPet: And marsilias Maker picked a spot on the atlas and dumped her there. 13:26
Varg: Well, she had killed off all the others. 13:26
Varg: that could have made life more chaotic for her. 13:26
Roz: So, did Patty set us up for another fae story when she had Mercy kill one of the last six remaining otterkin? 13:26
AuroraPet: Yes, but if you remember Mercy didnt really know what it meant to be a Walker then. She had noone to guide her or fill her in. 13:27
Valery: Adam killed the rest, remember. 13:27
kyria: ...or when she had the fae secede from the USA 13:27
Baum Diggity: That's what makes me suspect the fae are involved, Kyria 13:27
Roz: It says in RM that the Gray Lords might come after her.... 13:27
Baum Diggity: I think they deemed it suicide by werewolf to cover their butts 13:28
CarolKat: For the otter kin? Roz? 13:28
AuroraPet: Well someone pretending to be FBI grabbed them. The leak gave that away. Adam said that they werent the FBI 13:28
kyria: Mercy's been in and out of the Gray Lords' minds since at least Iron Kissed. 13:28
Roz: Otterkin were a flesh eating kid of fae...ick 13:28
big city wolf: But they are associated with the government somehow. 13:28
Valery: but she's been so useful to the GLs otherwise 13:28
Varg: I wonder if the fae will start diplomatic relations with the rest of the world now that they have declared themselves a sovereign nation? 13:28
kyria: At some point they're going to decide to Do Something about her, I imagine 13:28
Baum Diggity: That's not a safe place to be...the GL's minds 13:28
Has_mod: @Roz I think that was about killing the fae otters but then they would have to kill Adam because he killed most of them and even so they were the ones who killed people and helped the moster 13:28
Roz: true 13:29
big city wolf: I don't think the fae see it that way. 13:29
Valery: and Adam's very high up in the Were heirarchy 13:29
Valery: First is Bran, then Charles, then Samuel--then Adam 13:29
CarolKat: I think everyone, vamps and fae know that messing with Mercy and Adam would be very bad for them indeed 13:30
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Varg: And Mercy has connections to all of those, and of course her father/not father. Not so easy prey for the GLs anymore. 13:30
Valery: it is pretty breath-taking to consider how much power Mercy has gained over the course of the series! 13:30
Varg: Hi white roses. 13:30
Has_mod: Hey White Roses! 13:30
CarolKat: Hi WR! 13:31
Baum Diggity: it is fun to look back on the character development 13:31
Valery: the humans have no idea what they're messing with. 13:31
CarolKat: That's why it's fun to do the re read before a new book. 13:31
white roses: Mercy is very good at making enemies and at making powerful friends which is why her life is so 'interesting'. 13:31
Varg: She is much more of a power house and better connected now yes. 13:31
Roz: And, people don't suspect her of that, being powerful. 13:31
katy: I think Mercy had a lot of that power all along, but she didn't have a clue that she had it, because she felt like an outsider, while Bran, Samuel, etc., thought of her as theirs. 13:32
Baum Diggity: That's the best part, katy! 13:32
Varg: That's true katy. 13:32
Valery: She has a VAMPIRE as one her best friends, for pity's sake! 13:32
Baum Diggity: And an iron-kissed fae, and a hot werewolf or two...and... 13:33
Baum Diggity: hm, not bad. 13:33
Valery: and the best divorce lawyer on the West coast! 13:33
white roses: I wonder if being mated to Adam has kicked started her 'power' 13:33
Has_mod: I think that's why she manages to shake things up because people do underestimate her or don't see her as a threat especially since she's surrounded by supes. That scene where she shoots Henry is telling because she's like I know what you are up to and BAM 13:33
Baum Diggity: Nah, she's had it all along, I think she needed the confidence and guidance 13:34
white roses: true 13:34
Valery: not that she'll need a divorce laywer, but that's pretty powerful 13:34
Baum Diggity: Hopefully not! 13:34
Valery: this woman is freaking awesome! 13:35
Varg: If you don't believe in it yourself you cannot be as powerful, her seeing herself as connected and strong has helped her believe in her own power much more. IMO 13:35
CarolKat: No divorce for Mercy and Adam, wolves mate for life. 13:35
Roz: I thought it was interesting that the river monster was a Native American monster, and the otterkin were helping it, being ?? European fae? 13:36
katy: I think that's why they were clueless enough to wake it up. They saw it and wanted its power, but didn't know any of the stories as to why it was sleeping. 13:36
Valery: did Edythe and the other Grey Lords misjudge the otterkin? seems they needed something powerful to worship, doesn't it. 13:37
Has_mod: CK I think for a couple of wolf matings that may not be the case *cough*Leah*cough* Not a happy mating/relationship 13:37
AuroraPet: Alot going on with the Grey Lords of the fae in the backstory. Faeries' coming out was an accident as far as the general public knows, but faeries and other supernatural characters are aware that it was ordered (or at least, manipulated into happening) by extremely powerful faerie lords. Coming out resulted in Fantastic Racism and getting forced into reservations, so it seems like a very bad thing for faeries as a whole, but over the course of the series, characters have discovered that the Grey Lords wanted to have high population densities of faeries living together because that would give them access to Underhill again, a Magical Land which the power of faeries is tied to. In short, the breaking of masquerade would, one way or another, accomplish the Grey Lords’ mission. 13:37
Varg: Also they were not terribly bright. Just fierce and dangerous. 13:37
Roz: Has, you crack me up! 13:37
AuroraPet: and in the last book, they accomplished that didnt they? Disappearing back to Underhill? 13:37
big city wolf: Yes, they did. 13:38
AuroraPet: So are they watching Mercy...or manipulating her? 13:38
Has_mod: @AuroraPet I think they used that as advantage - yep in the first chapter they've all disappeared into Underhill 13:38
Baum Diggity: how much of that fairy queen afair did they design? 13:38
Varg: Yep. Seems they now have the magical power base they were after. 13:38
Baum Diggity: to accomplish their goals. 13:38
big city wolf: But Underhill was coming back over the course of time. 13:38
AuroraPet: thanks to Mercy and the pack i think... 13:39
big city wolf: Not only was there the fairy queen, but also the water fae in Iron Kissed, where Mercy got lost at the seashore. 13:39
AuroraPet: My apologies...my two year old is making it hard to pay as close attention asI would like. Whoever the hell convinced me another child after 40 was a good idea was purely nuts. 13:40
Baum Diggity: Ohhhh, yeah....darn.....they fae have more stinky layers than Wulfe! 13:40
AuroraPet: Oh wait...that was me... 13:40
Valery: so why put otterkin in the river and not the reservation? were they part of the big plan, or what? 13:40
AuroraPet: *sigh* 13:40
Baum Diggity: *the 13:40
Has_mod: BCW that was from the Reservation? But it was interesting Mercy managed to slip and break the illusion into there 13:40
Has_mod: Aurora no worries! *HUGS* 13:41
Baum Diggity: Let them free range, AP, they'll be fine 13:41
AuroraPet: Watch out HAS...i got pb and J opn me

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Baum Diggity: If not, it's a learning experience....or something.... 13:41
AuroraPet: it's something allright. 13:41
katy: Didn't Uncle Mike tell Adam that the otterkin weren't thriving on the reservation, so they decided to move them to the river? 13:42
Baum Diggity: lol, good luck! 13:42
Varg: I don't think anybod put them there, they wandered there on their own didn't they? 13:42
Baum Diggity: well, that's the story, so it's at least part-truth. 13:42
AuroraPet: I'm fairly certain she broke the illusion because of her Walker abilities. Illusion based on sight which she refused to acknowledge and used her oteher senses. 13:42
Baum Diggity: they wandered upstream and found the monster 13:42
CarolKat: @Varg I think Yo-Yo girl brought them there cause they were dying on the reservation 13:43
Varg: Ah yes. And liked the power of it so they stayed and started worshipping it. 13:43
Valery: It just seems a little bone-headed, putting murderous otterkin in a swimming hole at a beautiful new campground for humans! 13:43
AuroraPet: its somewhat explained that when you get past one portion of the illusion you can break the rest. Visual illusion is supposedly the strongest to break in most lore. 13:43
Has_mod: That's it on the illusion and Uncle Mike said its not a good thing to capture the attention of the grey lords 13:43
Baum Diggity: Seems legit, but probably not up the ACA accredation standards.... 13:43
Varg: AP Unless you depend on your nose as much as your eyes. 13:43
Baum Diggity: the otterkin 13:43
e_booklover: Remember the fae don't really care about the opinions of humans... A few eaten won't make much of a difference. 13:44
white roses:

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Baum Diggity: Effluvia. 13:44
Baum Diggity: no bigs. 13:44
Valery: but if you want to avoid notice, it still seems dumb to me 13:44
katy: And the swimming area was spelled somehow so that the otterkin couldn't harm anyone swimming there -- that's why they wandered out of it and found the monster 13:44
AuroraPet: Which according to the "laws" wandering around wasnt approved of, and they certainlydidnt expect a Walker to be in the reservation. At most Humans and soldiers at that. 13:44
AuroraPet: all brawn no brain....no offense intended to anyone of course. 13:44
Baum Diggity: I'm pretty brawny, so I'm a mite offended 13:45
AuroraPet: 13:45
Baum Diggity: Jk...by brawny I mean I own paper towel. 13:45
AuroraPet:

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Has_mod: @aurora no your making good points - isnt there a common fae myth of humans being taken if they could see the fae or see thru illusions? Because they were dangerous to them and also useful? 13:46
AuroraPet: ugh..speaking of papertowel...I have a mess to clean up. if I can come back before the portal closes i shall return nice meeting you all. 13:46
katy: It almost sounded like Edythe created the campground so there would be a place to relocate the otterkin -- but that seems like a lot of trouble, for seven creatures whose deaths they then didn't seem too distressed about. 13:46
Baum Diggity: good luck with the ravening hoardes, AP - hope to hear from you soon! 13:47
Varg: Yes, but the fae does not always make sense in their use of resources. 13:47
Varg: Bye for now AP. 13:47
Has_mod: Cya later AP!!! 13:47
Baum Diggity: Well, katy, that could just mean that Edythe is scary powerful...that it was nbd for her 13:47
CarolKat: Bye AP good to meet you. 13:47
Roz: bye Aurora 13:47
Valery: When you think on it, the Fae seem to misjudge werewolves and Mercy a lot. 13:48
Baum Diggity: Could be arrogance through age. 13:48
big city wolf: Or just arrogance. 13:48
Baum Diggity: Just cause you've seen a lot, doesn't mean you've seen it all... 13:48
Valery: laying a geas on Anna to kill a fae in Hunting Ground for example--they expected Anna to die, not Dana the fae 13:48
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