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Re: Movie or TV random musings & discoveries
« Reply #45 on: October 21, 2017, 02:38:53 am »
Yeah, I agree with most of that article, but as Pondhawk said, the script writing would have been a challenge.

Not really actually, they would just have need to keep to what was established as "fact" in the first movie, instead of of doing more retconning than DC and Marvel combined.  :P
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Re: Movie or TV random musings & discoveries
« Reply #46 on: October 28, 2017, 03:42:05 am »
I am going to be the dissenting voice in this.

It is easy for us to look back and say "Why didn't you tell him the truth right off the bat?"

Well, that is pretty easy honestly. Ben had no idea what kind of "Person" Luke really is. He has already been burned by Luke's father and his game of emotional grudges. He really has no idea if he is treading that same mine field. So in the short time he has with Luke, he has to watch, and evaluate how he deals with what gets thrown at him. How he deals with coming back to find his home destroyed by Stormtroopers. At the same time, he has to introduce him to this "Mythical" thing called the Force. All the while treading that tightrope of uncertainty about just how stable Luke really is. Again, he is looking at Luke through the eyes of a man who watched his Prodigy turn into Darth Vader. Coming right out and saying "Vader Is your Father" is going to be a problem. It will either embolden him to fight, with a chip on his shoulder for being abandoned, or stolen or all of those things, or even none of those things. Ben really doesn't know. Or he is going to flat out refuse to believe him, then what. The kid now thinks he is a fraud. Well if he is lying about his Father, then what else is he lying about.

Ben really only lied about his Father and Uncle. The rest, the whole "Spirit of Ben" is the Force, and not so much the actual consciousness of Obi-Wan/Ben at all. So any information imparted to Luke through the Force is the Force and it's collective conscious and not any one specific entity. It takes on Ben's likeness, because that is how Luke "Sees" the Force. The same with Yoda, and finally his Father. It's Luke's interface with the Force.

As for telling Luke that Leia is his sister, that is simply because they never had time. He couldn't be certain that telling Luke that he was Leia's brother without being able to tell Leia at the same time wouldn't cause confusion between the siblings that could cause them to not work together. They needed to have a chance together to question Ben at the same time. Once it was over, and Luke was talking to the Likeness of Ben, the Force wouldn't have necessarily thought it important. They were working together, and working very well together. What more could the Force need to help restore the balance. Also, the Force would have been able to tell that what Luke and Leia actually felt for each other was not of a romantic nature, and more a deep sibling caring anyway, so again, it wouldn't necessarily see a need to define it until Luke is put in a position where it starts to dawn on him, and then, the Force through the likeness of Ben and Yoda admit to him they are twins.

Had Ben lived beyond the Escape from the Deathstar, the discussions between himself, Luke and Leia would have been more clearly defined. He would know more about the people Luke and Leia had grown into, and known better how they would have reacted to the truths we take for granted today have read/watched the story actually unfold.

Ben told the story as he saw fit for the amount of time he had to tell it in, and with the very limited information he had available to him when the situation arose.
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Re: Movie or TV random musings & discoveries
« Reply #48 on: March 22, 2018, 10:00:20 am »
Working title may be: Raiders of the lost retirement home.  LOL
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Re: Movie or TV random musings & discoveries
« Reply #49 on: March 22, 2018, 10:54:31 am »
This reminds me of the scene in ROTLA where the huge guy is blocking his way with the spinning scimitar, and Indy sort of rolls his eyes, pulls out the pistol, and shoots him. That was reportedly after several takes where the script called for him to use the whip, and Ford was exhausted and cranky. I can see a lot more of that coming down the pike.

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Re: Movie or TV random musings & discoveries
« Reply #50 on: March 22, 2018, 11:14:27 am »
Yeah.  Or does he bring his son along and let him do the dashing, jumping, and smashing?  Does he get to play more like Sean Connery as Indy's dad?
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« Reply #51 on: March 23, 2018, 07:53:28 am »
Hah. My immediate reaction was that his son just killed him.  9)

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Re: Movie or TV random musings & discoveries
« Reply #52 on: March 23, 2018, 08:04:26 am »
Probably tempting from his point of view.

I've been thinking about Bester the Psy Cop on Babylon 5, and how he's (in the 3-5 day paused episode "the Corps is Mother, the Corps is Father") using humor to the new trainees to dismiss the importance of B-5 and the Alliance, and President Sheridan, as well as the concerns of non-telepaths.  It finally occurred to me that this is a subtle undermining of concern for "mundanes"; if all things involving them are jokes, the indoctrinated telepaths won't think of mundanes as real people, and will have less difficulty killing or subverting them/us.
I also think that the episode title, which is the doctrine of PsyCorps, makes me think "Dude, that is one dysfunctional family! MY parents got me out of the house when I became adult, they didn't insist on my staying, and trying to force siblings to come back, be imprisoned, or drugged to the point they killed themselves.  They also (in spite of an abusive step-grandfather) did NOT encourage me to do horrible things to grandparents and cousins."  In other words, most of the 'paths have -genetically- mundane parents.  If they kill off mundanes, there will be a VERY limited gene pool to breed more 'paths, and they're signing their species own death warrant.   And what about latents like Susan Ivanova?
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Re: Movie or TV random musings & discoveries
« Reply #54 on: May 18, 2018, 05:02:36 am »
Interesting!

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Re: Movie or TV random musings & discoveries
« Reply #55 on: June 03, 2018, 10:16:44 am »
It just occurred to me that maybe the reason I can't seem to play my Downton Abbey DVDs is that they're UK format instead of North America format.  Ya think?
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« Reply #56 on: June 03, 2018, 10:25:30 am »
Could be. Where did you buy them?

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Re: Movie or TV random musings & discoveries
« Reply #57 on: June 03, 2018, 10:46:43 am »
Region 1: U.S., U.S. Territories, Canada, and Bermuda
Region 2: Japan, Europe, South Africa, and the Middle East, including Egypt
Region 3: Southeast Asia, East Asia, including Hong Kong
Region 4: Australia, New Zealand, Pacific Islands, Central America, South America, and the Caribbean
Region 5: Eastern Europe, Baltic States, Russia, Central and South Asia, Indian subcontinent, Africa, North Korea, and Mongolia
Region 6: China

You can change the region code on your PC, but usually only a limited number of times. I don’t know what version of Windoz you run, but you can Google it.
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Re: Movie or TV random musings & discoveries
« Reply #58 on: June 03, 2018, 10:50:58 am »
Where do England, Scotland, and Ireland fit in there? Or are they the default?

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Re: Movie or TV random musings & discoveries
« Reply #59 on: June 03, 2018, 11:08:09 am »
The UK is lumped in with Europe.
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