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Elle cleared the room
Mikel: okay now that would be a book signing I would love to go to! Kim Harrison and PAtty in Houston!
Zealith: Maybe you should just read it to them?
Mikel: not my recipe to give, I didn't make them. I found a Flip restaurant for Tofu
CarolKat: torturer you!
Varg:
That would be something. a monthly get together with wine and people reading favourites
Mikel is listening to Michelle Pfieffer and Robert Redford making love
Zealith: That would be a lot of fun.
Janilee: I'm trying to convince my sister a really great early present would be a book signed in the Chicago signing.
Zealith: *imagines it now*
Elle: looks like spoiler/spec has stalled for a bit.
I'm off to go grab some dinner but will be back to grab more of the chat. later everyone! I had a fantastic time
Zealith: See ya
CarolKat: Bye Elle
Varg: later Elle.
Janilee: Good bye Elle.
Patti: So long, Elle.
CarolKat: Thank you!
Mikel: WOOT! Kim is going to be in Tucson! 2 hours instead of 5 hours away!
Janilee: Still think it's just a wet, slimy, scary plant.
Zealith: So, back on topic, a little, butterflies. I can see it now, Mercy's wedding will look like the monarch butterfly's migration.
Mikel: its the KRAKEN!
CarolKat: with the addition of golden balloons
has: bac
Patti: Oh, reminds me of the tentacles on the Graboids in "Tremors".
Varg:
the butterflies made me lol
has: back!
CarolKat: Hey has
Varg: Hi again has.
CarolKat: the pigeons too.
CarolKat:
Varg: The Kraken is not a river monster though, maybe a relative?
Patti: The way Marji barges over Mercy really grates on my nerves, though.
Zealith: I can't believe Mercy is letting her mom plan her wedding.
Varg: Pigeons, butterflies and balloons. Or maybe swallows, they might try eating the butterflies....
Varg: Yes, that is a but annoying.
Janilee: There is a celtic (Scottish) monster that grabs people crossing rivers and streams.
Varg: Sorry, a bit annoying
has: The butterfly thing is real
- I think her mum wants to use it to help bridge their relationship
Janilee: Do you think Mercy is letting her mother or is her mother railroading the process?
CarolKat: I think Adam is to blame for the wedding planning going to Marji
Mikel hooks Has' chair to his motorcycle and takes her for a ride
Varg: lol I saw that has. very strange!
Patti: I am not shocked that the butterfly thing is true.
Varg: How so CK?
Zealith: I think she's somewhat railroading, but mercy is old enough, and far enough away that she could tell her mother no.
Patti: Maybe a combo of her charming him & his & Mercy being terrified of her?
has: I think its a bit of both about her mother *hollars behind Wycked*
CarolKat: He felt bad that Marji's other daughter eloped so, he's letting her do the planning
Patti: That could be part of it too. I still don't like her being bridal momzilla.
Varg: Maybe it is about Mercy giving something to Margi too. By letting her do the wedding she includes her much more in her life than previously. Maybe Margi needs to do something for Mercy.
Janilee: I want to see the wolves deal with the dancing bear!
has: I think she just wants to create a special day for her and feels this could be it
Patti: There isn't really a dancing bear, right, that's just a speculation Stefan was playing with?
Zealith: I can see how Margi might be feeling, but still, she's really not listening to Mercy at all.
has: I loved Patty's injoke about the bellydancers
Varg: No, not at all. There seems to be a lot of miscommunications betwen them.
Patti: Marji doesn't listen. And Mercy has secrets meant to keep Marji & the rest of the family safe.
Janilee: Stefan offered to find one and inform Marji where it might be found.
CarolKat: Mom ain't listening! Kyle and Warren and Stefan all teasing her!
has: They have to talk about that and I dont think have that is part of the problem and I bet the wedding has given Margi an excuse to contact Mercy more
CarolKat: If Mercy answers the phone!
Zealith: I don't think Mercy would have forgotten to tell her mother no doves.
has: She probably aswered more but the doves and what else must have driven her mad
CarolKat: She did over and over I bet
Varg: As I remember the phone convo she def had told her no doves.
Janilee: Mercy seems to think she vetoed the dove/pigeons at some point in time.
Varg: I think maybe Margi hears but does not listen.
Patti: That's likely. I wonder what the step-father dentist thinks of it all.
has: Yeah
CarolKat: He's probably hiding in his office
Varg:
probably. Or else he is helping with suggestions.....
Patti: Trying to rein Marji in?
Janilee: Or the money she's planning to spend on this shindig!
Varg: Might be, he'd have to be strong too.
has: I think he's probably a Yes Dear hubby
has: think Adam is going to pay for it
CarolKat: That's what I thought when they were at dinner in SB
Janilee: Perhaps, but that is traditionally the bride's family's job.
CarolKat: Or the Bride herself...and Mercy wouldn't go that far. she wants simple.
Patti: Yes, I think Mercy would prefer a very small, quiet wedding.
Varg: or the coupple pays for their own wedding. Thus avoiding parents taking over....
Janilee: Mercy did suggest eloping.
CarolKat: Doesn't stop some parents though. Suggestions that make you want to scream
has: U know what my sister said once to my mum when she got married - she complained and my mum said its not really ur day its mine
has: she had to go thru it with her own mother therefore u go thru it with me
Varg: it is a cyckle.
Varg: cycle?
Patti: Cruel, that. Makes me glad it was never a question with me. Cycle. No "K".
Janilee: Family tradition at its most horrid!
Varg: lol
CarolKat:
Patti: That's true...although, did anyone see the wedding episode of "Taxi" where Latka and whazername got married?
has: Oh def!
It wasn't so much the wedding but the prep and the bossing around
CarolKat: My first wedding was like that my second was the one I dreamed of/
Patti: Wow, night & day difference, Carol.
CarolKat: You bet!
Patti: Still, your mother, not your M-i-L, right?
Janilee: I had a friend who wanted rim shots during the vows of her second marriage. Does anyone else wonder if we're going to run into Max (the vampire who scares Stefan)?
has: Oh the prospective M-I-L butts in too
CarolKat: Mom was gone for my second as was my Dad, My oldest son gave me away.
CarolKat: MIL had no say whatsoever. Mike and I paid for everything including the rooms for them to stay in.
has: I think that was foreshadowing for the return of gauntlet vampire - when Mercy mentioned fae and vamps that is who I thought of
Zealith: I hope not Janilee. If we meed an outside scary vampire I'd rather we see the one with the guanlets again.
CarolKat: Please no MAX! That would be too much.
Janilee: You never know who is pulling whose strings!
Patti: I can't believe they'd go into that detail if Patty wasn't going to use him.
Janilee: It could be foreshadowing for the next book as well!
CarolKat: Oh CRAP!
Patti: It could, but she doesn't tend to plot that far ahead.
CarolKat: I didn't see that coming
has: I think the Max thing was a fun joke- with the movie - I actually Wikied him and he was a character actor in Germany and the Shadow of the vamp movie was mostly made up
has: But I don't think we will see Max - probably Master of Night and Milan. We've had several mentions of him and the fact that marsillia wants to go back he will probably feature in some ways
Janilee: I believe that Patty or Mike said Stefan was to be only a side character in this book. I can't believe there is a Mercy vampire story where Stefan would be missing.
has: I think hes going to bookend the book? will appear at the end hopefully he will be much better and the next book will def be vamp centred in some ways
Patti: Yes, I could see the Stefan situation bookending the main plot.
Janilee: Good possibility.
Zealith: Besides, I think they mentioned that this book would be about the walkers.
Janilee: Can you see Anna and Charles needing to go to Milan?
has: I think we will learn about why the walkers hate the vamps and vise versa tho
Mikel: this is more interesting then the argument with some troll about top speed and how his bike isn't working right
Patti: Remember that's relative; a lot of people carped about how little Samuel there was in SB, even though it's "his" book.
has: I could see that happening!
Wycked
Janilee: Probably. Finding ghosts can't be the only trick the walkers used against the vampires.
Patti: Glad we're better than the troll, Wycked. Remember to not feed the trolls <)))><
Janilee: They do seem to feed themselves quite well.
has: I was happy with that about Sam - it was the sudden reappearance of Ari & their past which didn't really work out but thats because not enough time was on it and because it would be a disservice to focus away from Mercy's story so people will carp about that if that happened also it would be odd because its in her POV
Mikel: this troll needs to be fed napalm
Varg: Interesting! It is too bad that net trolls do not turn to stone in the sun like the real ones do.
Patti: Well, keep it off yourself is all I can say.
Janilee: Do net trolls see the sun or do they live in their mother's basement?
has: I have mute button for trolls and also feed them spam would shut them out
Varg: Probably they live in their mothers basement.
Varg: How do you get a mute button?
Janilee: Could you insult the seethe vampires by saying they still live with their mother?
Patti: I'd be interested in seeing if Mercy's Dad's ghost is there to help her, and if he'll do anything to put her in touch with his side of her family.
CarolKat: I am out guys I need to get stuff ready for tomorrow! XOXO
Patti: That's SOP for vamps. Night, Carol!
Janilee: Good night CarolKat! Would Mercy's father's ghost recognize her? He died before he knew she was conceived.
has: ignore button or just freeze them out
NIte Carol!!! HUGS
Varg: Night CK.
has: I think he knew who she was from that excerpt
Varg: But presumably he has a greater view and knowledge from beyond the physical?
Varg: maybe
Janilee: Perhaps. The snippet was too short for me to tell. Remember when Mercy says that ghosts are mostly just some memories the person had in life.
has: I think he was more than a ghost- it felt like that
Varg: it felt very much like more than a ghost.
Varg: Only question is what.
Patti: Well, different kinds of ghosts. This one is self aware.
Varg: Yup. And surprisingly substantial. maybe the dancing was about bringing himself into our "realm"?
has: He felt like he was guiding her in some way?
Mikel: this one is a self professed engineer, with wife and child but refuses to provide real world empirical data rather then paper data.
has: warning maybe
Varg: Ancestors can be spirit guides.
Zealith: Maybe. I'm going to head off too you guys. See you later.
Patti: That's an interesting idea, Varg. So long, Z.
Janilee: That self-awareness could mean he knows Mercy. The snippet was just tooo short altogether! Good night Zealith.
Varg: Night Z.
has: Nite Z!
Janilee: The spirit guide stuff would have been useful at other times in her life.
Mikel: pretty well wore out tonight and brain is not wanting to get into these speculations so I am going to call it a night, be safe all!
Varg: yes, but there is a question of context too.Maybe it was not possible until the situation or even place she is in now.
Patti: Night, Wycked.
Janilee: Good might Mikel. Be safe yourself.
Varg: Night Wycked.
Patti: There can be all kinds of reasons, depending on both the rules for Patty's world building, and the personality involved.
has: Nite Wycked!!!
Janilee: Until she had started to exercise her walker skills perhaps?
Varg: That would be a good reason.
Patti: And/or come somewhere sacred?
has: I think its def that Janilee- it seems that she in discovering new abiltiies
Varg: Yes. the place might have triggered it too. Or her travels there.
Patti: Do you realize we've been at this for 3 hours?
Janilee: I came to it late!
Varg: Wow! it does not feel that long.
has: I missed the main bulk
Patti: Aw, well, if we're going to be precise, I've been here that long, others popped in & out or arrived later. Varg, how late is it for you?
has: def late its almost 2 at my end
Varg: It is about to be 3 am here
has: People are up for the golden globes but Im feeling meh on it - not even the fashion fail is making me want to semi watch it
Janilee: You going to bother to go to sleep at all?
Varg: Sleep? Heh, yes I will probably sleep in quite a bit too.
has: I will - probably around 3
Patti: Golden Globes, don't care.
has: I slept around 8 and woke up at midnight
has: my inner clock is screwy
Varg: Golden globes, Had no idea that was today....
Patti: I'm planning on being in bed in about 4 hours, get up & go to start training for tax prep.
Varg: heh, smart.
Varg: both of you....
Janilee: According to the news Christian Bale won the first pise so far.
Patti: First pise?
has: prize
Janilee: That should be prize.
Varg: <)))>>< ?
has: I missed the fashion parade - thats the best bit
Janilee: This misspelling inno way reflects my feelings about the Golden Globe Awards!
Patti: Fish to feed troll.
Varg: LOl the fashion parade is the only bit for those things that is any fun. the rest is usually meh.
Janilee: No, I did not mean fish or Pisces!
Varg: Could not help myself, it is the middle of the night and I have had red wine.7
has:
It does abut the misspelling
has: LMAO at Varg - I had spring rolls and orange juice for a midnight snack
Varg: I had some raspberries and sour cream, for my midnight snack.
Patti: I'm cooking rice to mix with tuna & frozen veg for dinner.
Janilee: I still think Mercy should embrace the circus that will soon be her wedding.
has: mmm nice - U know what I really loved about the excerpt - how the pack felt towards her well Darryl loved that phonecall and indigestion med
has: I think her wedding will probably be a circus in more ways than one
Janilee: Now. think about the food needed to keep werewolves from being hungry.
Janilee: Imagine the caterer serving dainty portions.
Elle joined the chat
Elle: hola everyone
Janilee: Hello Elle.
has: WB!!!!
Elle: Janilee...all I saw was embrace the circus
Elle: missed the rest. lol...it frightened me.
has: They should have a BBQ - Proteinfest - cant go wrong with that
Janilee: Roast oxen on spits
Elle: are you talking wedding dinners?
Patti: Yes, or the reception. Roast ox sounds like a good idea.
Janilee: Elle, I was just suggesting Mercy embrace the circus that will be her wedding. Then we started discussiong wedding catering for werewolves.
Elle: has, just readign upthread. I loved your comment about the phonecall and the pack's feelings to mercy as well
has: Yup- wedding arrangements it keeps going back to Margi's Momzilla role
has: Yes - I think they really accept Mercy now from that scene
Elle: i think so too, i got that feeling from it. sweet in it's way.
has: The way that Mercy said she would have preferred it when they wanted her dead - instead of fretting over her
Elle: I'd def go BBQ as well. gotta keep the wolves happy
Patti: Werewolf control freaks, "fragile" walker...
Janilee: Being in the NW they could probably do the very large salmon.
has: I think that missing month must have showed the ones who disliked her that a pack without Mercy and therefore an unstable alpha isn't a good thing
Patti: Yeah.
Janilee: Yep that might have given some of them a clue.
has: I'm thinking huge steaks, sausages and burgers - fish might not be as attractive especially with a river monster
Elle: it'll be nice to read it...see what they're all up too
Janilee: Now they'll all want to wrap her in cottonwool and stick her under glass. Rivermonster might make a difference in the salmon.
Elle: I liked how they wanted to protect her...but i dont' think they really know her yet because she doesnt' want that
has: I think that will always be a factor though - I don't think that will ever go away
Patti: She mentioned previously a few times that she didn't know all the wolves in the pack, so it follows that they don't know her. Even six months later, they might not.
Patti: After all, Adam is out, but not most of the others in this pack, they may have to be discrete about going to Adam's house for the Moon hunts.
Patti: That may be about the only times she & they meet each other.
Janilee: With her just being female there will be a protective streak. I wonder if the pack bond helps make people know one another better?
Elle: I think she would know them all now but that's just a guess
has: I agree- from the sounds of that excerpt she was busy with other things and shes an alpha's mate now so she would have to know the pack well
Patti: By name & face, as well as scent, coat, to speak to, sure, but how much more, what about personalities?
has: I like how she's starting to gain Adam's abilities - did you notice about commanding Stefan to Look?
Varg: I sort of assumed the pack bonds helped with the knowing people part.
Elle: yes! so interesting!
Janilee: Rank would have to be part of it. That should include some personality.
Patti: Yes. And useful to keep the other wolves from steamrolling over her.
has: I think Mercy will try to suss out their personalities- I dont think she would want to have another situation like with Mary Jo
Varg: Yes, borrowing rank and alphaness from her Adam would be useful sometimes.
Elle: I love when she brings what she learned from Bran into the mix.
Janilee: Wonder if Stefan has noticed the power behind her? Or has he pulled out from his funk enogh yet?
has: And the Bran factor is going to be so useful
Varg: Heh, some of what she learned from Bran is a degree of ruthlessness in protecting what is hers.
has: I think Stefan knows - and I loved how she literally gave him a kick up the backside
Janilee: Living her early childhood with the most psychotic wolves in the US should have helped train her in power struggles.
Janilee: I hadn't thought of how that would shape her thought processes until I read it.
Varg: Also given her tools to deal with most of the wolves she meets.
has: Do you think that Stefan will cut close loyalty ties with Marsillia considering how he was
Elle: definitely a assest to her
has: def - I like how she will be using her wits and not strength when dealing with the weres
Elle: I think he will, Has
Elle: the time has come for it
Janilee: I do not believe that Stefan will break his word to Marsilla no matter how much she deserves it. If she leaves for Milan he might have an excuse to remain behind.
Patti: It has to happen eventually if a Vamp is powerful enough, or they'd still all be one Seethe, right?
has: I think so too - I think things are heading to a point where Stefan has to choose between marsillia and Mercy
Elle: it's a hard call if Stefan would break his oath. he lasted so far...but I hope that he treats marsilia different
has: And I think Gauntlet vamp is def up to something - his vampires made a play for Marsillia for a reason
Patti: Oh, yeah, there are vamp politics going on, all right.
Varg: I think his oath is wearing thin, or more like Marsilias end of that bargain is not kept.
has: Much cooler but she's def broken any ties of love with him I think
Janilee: I'm thinking of the potential outing of the vampires and how they would strategically best deal with tha. would smaller seethes survie better than larger ones?
Elle: has! I never really thought about it from that perspective
Elle: do you think they made the play with a push from gauntlets?
Patti: Oh he was part of it, I have no doubt.
has: I think so - why did he appear in the first place? And why the Tri-cities as well? Everyone was worried about Blackwood but he was the real threat
Elle: he was summoned I think by Marsilia to witness her explusion of his two vampires. Stefan was the unbiased testimony
Janilee: Marsilla may have broken Stefan's ties of love, but that won't break his word of honor. If Marcilla is killed by the politics of vampires, Stefan would take the seethe in a new direction.
Elle: that would definitely shake things up if Stefan became master of the seether
Elle: or seethe
Elle:
has: I get the sense that Stefan will take over the Seethe- it seems to be heading that way and even though he oesnt want to - Some of the best leaders are the ones who are reluctant to lead
Varg: They are seething with back stabbing politics and power games .p
Elle: he
Elle: hehe
has:
very fitting name
Elle: I like the more straightforward werewolves.
Varg: It is. Straightforward werewolves? Bran.....
Elle: relative to vampires.
Janilee: Wolf would be his biggest stake in Stefan taking over if Marcilla were to die. MAry Jo wasn't that straightforward either.
Janilee: You notice how the the werewolves and the vampires who were once human, bring all their human foibles along with them when they change?
has: I dont think Wolfe wants to take over though - I tihnk he likes to stay behind the shadows so to speak
has: YES but it either becomes warped or its emphasized more
Varg: Wolfe does not seem like someone who wants to lead
Elle: he's a strange one. not sure what he's trying to accomplish
Janilee: Would he be willing to back Stefan or does he have another candidate?
Varg: Yes
but magnified over time.
Varg: Maybe he would want to go back to Milano if that became an option?
katy joined the chat
has: Hey Katy!
katy: Hi all!
Elle: hi katy
Janilee: Distilled essence of Machiavelli? HEy katy!
has: He could be angling for a way to get back to Milan
Varg: Hi Katy!
Janilee: Possible! Wolf is a puzzle.
Patti: Hi, Katy.
katy: Wow, did I ever jump in at a strange point -- distilled essence of Machiavelli?
Varg: Wolf
Varg: If he were that janilee he would want to go to Paris .P
Janilee: The human essence of twisted politics within vampires.
Janilee: I've been to Paris.
Varg: Me too, saw no vampires though. that I know.
has:
Elle: heh
Janilee: Opps! Varg I read that wrong. He might be angling for Paris. I might have seen one when I was in the underground tunnels.
Varg: Oooh, catacombs!
Janilee: Yup! Just the place to be spooked.
Elle: I dont' know what Wulfe's motivation is...he's a strange one
katy: They seem like a natural spot for vampires to skulk about, don't they?
Varg: lol they doo. do we even know where Wulfe is form originally?
has: And they attract ghosts! The ones in Edinborough in Scotland are infamous
Janilee: Wulfe might just be at the point where survival is his motivation. No one seems to hVE THAT MUCH IDENTITY ON WULFE.
Janilee: Sorry about the all caps!
Patti: I seem to recall having read something recently about Wulfe's origin, he's not Marsilia's, and he's fairly old.
Varg: lol he seems very mysterious. The name sort of hints at germanic roots....
has: no worries - I hate the capslock key too - ranted about it on twitter
Varg: caps lock is placed wrong!
Janilee: First chapter of Rivermarked says he is the oldest vampire Stefan knows.
Elle: didnt' stefan say he was the oldest vampire he knew after the nosferatu vamp?
Elle: Janilee! jinx
Janilee: Wulfe's name does suggest germanic, but that covers a large part of Europe.
has: Yeah!
has: And he could adopted the name - bet many immortals/long lived beings change their names
Patti: They did wander, didn't they?
Varg: True, it does not narrow it down at all really....
Varg: The germanic tribes Patti?
Patti: Yes.
Varg: Not couch potatoes them.
Patti: Do you suppose there was much of anything going on in the Tri-Cities between SB & RM? Six months, more or less...
Janilee: As far south as the southern Mediterranean. As far east as the Caucasus.
Elle: i wonder who's living in the trailer
has: Probably Mercy settling and adjusting into pack life - I want to know too!!!
Elle: maybe just settling in getting used to living with the pack
Elle: them getting used to having her around
Janilee: She's moved in with Adam.
has: Wonder how things are going with Sam - got a feeling that we wont see much of him in this book
Elle: has do you think so? we need at least a scene I hope
Patti: I don't think we will either. Maybe Sam & Gabriel are living in the replacement trailer?
Elle: oh! and Sylvia
has: I think we will get a scene or 2 but it will def be a Sam lite book although I can be totally wrong
Varg: At least Gabriel in the trailer I think. not suer about Sam.
Janilee: Can you get a trailer replaced in six months when it has been tourched?
has: I hope Sylvia gets over it
Elle: do you think there is something to happen there?
Varg: hmm, depending on insurance can you not just buy a new one?
Elle: I hope she does too
has: I think so - u can buy a new one - since the last one was trashed mercy replaced it
has: she said she would
Varg: Sylvia seemed lika a very unflexible woman on certain things.
Elle: Mercy mentioned she had insurance on it
Janilee: We might see shades of romance at the wedding. In between the scenes with the dancing bear!
Varg:
Janilee! Are you expecting bear shifters to do weddings for a living?
'
Elle: I feel bad for Tony...unrequited love and all that
Patti: Yeah, but the insurance would be on the model she had, it wouldn't be much better than the one she had. And I hope she included her possessions on her insurance, like computer, printer, fax, the gun safe, the guns, the silver ammo...
Varg: Books!
Janilee: Mercy might have insurance difficulties with the torched trailer. Or it might go as smoothly as silk. It's just that it isn't Mercu's style for things to go smoothly.
Patti: Don't get the impression she had a lot of books.
has: I know! And although Sylvia can be admired - she really is too stubborn for her own good and that is becoming a fault
Janilee: She could pay for replacement value on her homeowners insurance.
has: She has influential and angry weres who probably help her out
Elle: I'm going to clear if that's okay with you all.
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