Rank, dominance, Alphas, & the military

[little gray wolf]

All the names can get confusing. Which makes me wonder... did it say at the end of HG who the ruler of the European packs is now that Arther is dead?

[charmed]

Nope but feel free to speculate over in the HG thread.

[Kkat07]

No problem.  I got confused a few times myself until I read HG.

[Victorymon]

dominance... reminds me of one thing: how do werewolves talk to each other when they cant look into the other wolves eyes? as a human I look always into the eyes of the people

[Kyria]

dominance... reminds me of one thing: how do werewolves talk to each other when they cant look into the other wolves eyes? as a human I look always into the eyes of the people

Eye contact is a communication tool, but communication functions just fine without direct eye contact.  Even among humans, we don't necessarily look someone directly in the eyes: we look at the cheeks, chin, forehead, and so on because looking someone directly in the eyes can be considered a challenge or make people uncomfortable. 

[Patti L.]

I wonder if there are submissive - not less dominant, but truly submissive - female werewolves.
In some societies, there is very little eye contact.

[little gray wolf]

We are having this conversation on the Shared worlds coments Female wolves, but the way I see it is that when Charles first saw Anna, he thought she was a sub.

[Victorymon]

yes. but thats just because they told her (after she woke up) that she is submissive

oh, and one more time about the eyes: yesterday I watched Avatar again and there is this scene when she told him: dont look into her eyes!
Jakes face is so funny when he tries to look at the giant...bat without looking.
Something like that must happen during wolvetalks too. that or they find out: hey, nice carpet

[little gray wolf]

Yes, but Charlesthought that she was submisive and he is older than most wolves

[CarolKat]

Yes LGW for a moment he thought she was a submissive, in the same thought he comes to the Omega conclusion. On the Prowl - Alpha&Omega pg 11

[Demonize]

In one of the mercy books Adam was challenged for pack leadership and one of the females was recognized as dominate enough to challenge the challenger and from the other books the female gets rank the same as their mates i know female mates can use the males "power" but can the male use the female's power if she is more dominate? i was just curious after all the pack problems Adam went through because i don't remember it ever happening or if it is possible.

[Kkat07]

I don't think so, because it was stated in Blood Bound that Honey takes her rank from her husband's (Peter's) position in the pack.  If she weren't mated, she would be somewhere between Warren and Paul, I think.  Wives taking their mate's rank in the pack is part of the pack magic, while unmated females being ranked at the bottom is a social convention. 

[Victorymon]

and why is that so? I dont think that females are weaker than males... sometimes they are dominant.

[Patti L.]

It's probably a combination of their being physically smaller and longstanding patriarchal social conventions.

[Victorymon]

so its more like natural balance? behind a strong alpha-male is a strong female?