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Title: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on July 29, 2007, 12:40:21 pm
I'm suprise no one had mentioned her so far. She's written so many good books. What are some of your favorites? I'm a big fan of The Last Herald Mage series, The Heralds of Valdemar, Alta, and the Mage Wars.


EDIT:corrected misspelling of author's name
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Spryte on July 29, 2007, 12:43:15 pm
wow, we seem to have a few authors in common.... I love Talia.
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Zealith on July 29, 2007, 12:47:24 pm
Me too. And Vanyel, especially in the last book. And his aunt, and Need.
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Spryte on July 29, 2007, 01:00:42 pm
alas, I have only read the Talia books and the Elspeth books, and Take A Thief. I have more books on my "to get list than I have money in my wallet.
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Grey Drakkon on July 29, 2007, 02:13:14 pm
I rather liked the Tarma and Kethry side stores that took place in the Valdemar world, was nice to step away from the super good paladins, er, heralds. ;)  Her books that take place in London (Wizard of London was the latest one I think) are pretty interesting, they seem to take elements from different fairy tales, and sorta modernize them.  The Fairy Godmother set started off very promising, kinda fantasy/romance but smart romance, unfortunately the second book wound up being mediocre in my opinion. 
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Zealith on July 29, 2007, 07:16:25 pm
Hmmm, I liked it. But then, there's very little I don't like that involves dragons. The third one's pretty good. I like her unique presentation of unicorns.
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Grey Drakkon on July 29, 2007, 08:07:41 pm
Third one?  Hold on a sec...Oi, I didn't even know that the third one was out!  Well in any case, the one I was talking about was "One Good Knight",and the reason I didn't like it was that it was so...Feeble.  I couldn't get behind the heroine, couldn't get behind the bad guys (who were the height of feebleness, they were paper cut outs of bad guys) :P  and normally I love dragons, but these...Not enough dragon, too much sap.  I was expecting a little bit of saucy sizzle, and instead I got powdered sugar flowers. Plus the secondary "romance" felt incredibly tacked on, I was like "Wuh-huh?  They're getting married just like that?"  o_O 
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Zealith on July 29, 2007, 08:13:06 pm
I agree, the romance was strange, and the bag guys were really weak. The first one was definatly the best.
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Grey Drakkon on July 29, 2007, 10:00:36 pm
Oh and another thing about these books...I don't really like how the unicorns are treated.  Maybe its because they've always been a favorite creature of mine along with dragons, but it seems like she shafted them, made dragons still awesome, unicorns stupid.  Also, they're far too common, "tradition" dictates the unicorns are rare, so why are they bouncing all over the place in these books?
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Zealith on July 30, 2007, 04:21:58 pm
I like the differnet view, but that's probably just because I've always seen them as all-knowing types. I love unicorns too, infact they make up most of my room's decorations.
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Grey Drakkon on July 30, 2007, 04:24:37 pm
I probably wouldn't mind it so much if she didn't keep pushing the whole "unicorns are dumb as dirt" skit.  I preferred her and Andre Norton's take on unicorns in the Elvenborn books.  Unicorns weren't smart, but they had SOMETHING going for 'em, and it wasn't exactly their fault either. 
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Zealith on July 30, 2007, 04:26:51 pm
Have you ever read the Fire Bringer Trilogy? Their unicorns weren't exactly traditional either, but they were my favorite unicorn books. After all, those horns aren't just on their head for decoration, now are they? *grins*
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Grey Drakkon on July 30, 2007, 04:30:16 pm
Were those Lackey books?  If not, then I think I've read those, young adult books right?  Unicorns of different colors?
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Zealith on July 30, 2007, 04:31:54 pm
No, they were by Pierce, though I can't remember the first name. Yeah, they had a lot of diffrent colors. And they worshiped the moon and were quiet capable of defending themselves.
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Spryte on July 31, 2007, 01:33:24 pm
hmmm, I've read something like that though I don't know if it's the same thing...
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Grey Drakkon on July 31, 2007, 06:50:32 pm
Forgot to say, my favorite trilogy of Lackey's is the Black Gryphon books, even though the third one was weak, I loved reading about the living history of how the ancient mage wars happened.
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Zealith on August 01, 2007, 11:52:30 am
Those where the ones that started me on the series. I love them greatly.
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Post by: Elayne on August 01, 2007, 12:11:31 pm
I LOVE Misty Lackey! It's her fault that I became the reader that I am! I picked up two of her books on a trip to Tennessee when I was in middle school - Burning Water of the Diana Tregarde series and Magic's Pawn of the Last Herald-Mage trilogy. The Last Herald-Mage still remains one of my favorite series' of all time. Every time I reread the series it hits me and reminds me of why I love her books. I have probably 75% of her books, which is a lot. :P I haven't liked her more recent ones - ie, the first book of Obsidion trilogy was...not good imo, though I'm planning on giving it another shot. But I am looking forward to her next Bedlam's Bard book that's due out this month! I love Eric Banyon! :D
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Zealith on August 01, 2007, 12:15:59 pm
I love the CD Shadow Stalker. I was listening to it the other day and it made me reread Magic's Price
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Grey Drakkon on August 01, 2007, 01:47:12 pm
I haven't liked her more recent ones - ie, the first book of Obsidion trilogy was...not good imo, though I'm planning on giving it another shot.

   Oh man, I was so ticked off that I paid for that book in hardcover!  I HATED how absolutely stupid the main character was, it was like he was trying for it!  There's a line between "inexperienced" and "total moron".  :P
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Elayne on August 01, 2007, 01:49:40 pm
yup, that one was pretty painful to read. I think if Misty had just written it herself and not let James Mallory (or whoever) co-write it with her, it would have been MUCH better.

I've almost bought a few of her CD's, Zealith! How are they?
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Grey Drakkon on August 01, 2007, 04:34:54 pm
I've been less than pleased with the co-authors thing with Lackey.  There's FAR too much repetition, and is it just me, or do the editors not bother with catching common mis-spellings and such lately?  I noticed it with the Elvenborn books too (and really bad in the last one).  I know it doesn't have to be like that, because in "Good Omens" (Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett) I had trouble telling where one author started and the other left off at times, and there was no "Oh I was just thinking this last chapter, but now I'm thinking it again in just a slightly different fashion".  :P
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Zealith on August 02, 2007, 01:48:17 pm
I really like her music, I put it on when I'm drawing or working on puzzles, and I just start singing along! I want more, but I don't know any place to buy them except online.
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on August 18, 2007, 07:37:44 pm
I've been reading Lackey since the first Arrows book, my copy may be first edition, so I hardly know where to start on all the things y'all have addressed here.  I really like the music too, have you seen the album of Misty singing her own music?  Her take on 'it was a dark & stormy night' is even more fun than the one sung in character in Harpers Heralds & Havoc.

The Firebringer trilogy is by Merideth PEARCE, not Pierce.
 
Misty is also guilty of inadequate proofreading/editing.  In one of the Tarma & Kethry stories, they look through an OPAQUE window.

The Unicorns are only dumb around virgins of the opposite sex to them in the Godmother universe.

Oh, & regarding the merely ornamental nature of unicorn horns, there's a short story she did about - check this out  ;D - a porn movie being filmed in the home of the woman writing the script, & there arrives a unicorn who seems to be part cat.  I'm not going to tell you more about that, find & read it yourselves, & you'll snicker like I do.  Definately adult content there, though.

And if you want cardboard characters from her, check 'The Black Swan'.  I found no motivation for the villan at all.

Not to say that I won't watch for most of her books eagerly.
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Grey Drakkon on August 18, 2007, 09:13:52 pm
Hmm, The Black Swan was based off of Swan Lake, wasn't it?  There wasn't too much substance to the story to begin with.  I liked it as a light read, but yeah, more could have definitely been done there.
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on August 19, 2007, 10:44:36 am
Hmm, The Black Swan was based off of Swan Lake, wasn't it?  There wasn't too much substance to the story to begin with.  I liked it as a light read, but yeah, more could have definitely been done there.
Correct on where it came from.

I was also pleased to to see recently that Baen has 'Fire Rose' available again.  That was really the first of the Elemental Masters stories, taking place in San Francisco around the time of the Great Quake, about 1912?
Hey, speaking of that, have you seen the Mary Russell & Sherlock Holmes book where she goes back there, & how what happened during the quake had to do with her being an orphan?
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Grey Drakkon on August 19, 2007, 01:39:21 pm
No I haven't read the Fire Rose book, I'll definitely pick that up to complete my collection. ;)  Hmm, haven't heard of that Sherlock Holmes one.
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Zealith on August 19, 2007, 01:41:03 pm
They do? I'll have to hunt that one down. ^^
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Jazzlet on August 19, 2007, 02:29:45 pm
I loved the Fire Rose book, I'd rather like to know what happened afterwards given how it ended. I was most happy she chose to do more about Elemental Masters, although I do think they like her other series vary in quality.

But I wince every time a character is so hungry they "inhale" their soup or stew, effective the first time you read it, but doesn't bear repeating as often as she's used it.
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on August 19, 2007, 03:27:21 pm
Well, we all have certain words or phrases we prefer or are conditioned to, Jazzlet.  There are others that annoy me more.
The one that most annoys me is almost exclusively spoken rather than written, & I can kind of understand where it came from, but you'd think by now it would be dying out.
Every time someone says they want to 'axe' me a question, I cringe.  I'm getting annoyed enough that I'm tempted to say 'Not until I've got an axe too.'  Since that sounds pretty snarky & belligerent, I'll usually settle for saying 'nothing bigger than a hatchet, please', & they usually don't get that. 

I mean, how long does one case of dyslexia have to affect an entire economic group's speech pattern?

Btw, Grey Drakkon, the Mary Russell/Sherlock Holmes books are by Laurie King, & start with 'The Beekeepers Apprentice'.

And yes, Ms. Lackey's books do vary in quality.  Partly the quantity she puts out, partly the co-writing, partly decisions of editors at the publishing houses, I'd bet.

Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Cerulean on September 01, 2007, 11:30:20 am
One of my two favorite series by her are the Valdemar books called The Owlmage trilogy: Owlflight, Owlsight, & Owlknight. These focus on the Hawksbrothers, who I find more interesting than the Valdemarians (?). They do interact with the Valemarians and provide a good balance. My other absolute favorites are the Elemental Masters series: The Fire Rose, Gates of Sleep, Serpent's Shadow, Phoenix And Ashes and Wizard of London. Serpent's Shadow and Phoenix & Ashes are my favorites, but I didn't care too much for The Wizard of London - but then The Ice Queen was never my favorite fairy tale. Oh yeah, just in case you haven't read these, each of the Elemental Masters book is a retelling of a traditional fairy tale:
The Fire Rose = Beauty & the Beast
Gates of Sleep = Sleeping Beauty
Serpent's Shadow = Snow White & the Seven Dwarves
Phoenix And Ashes = Cinderella
The Wizard of London = The Ice Queen

She's got a new Elemental Masters book called Reserved for the Cat coming out on October 30th in hardcover. I can't tell what the fairy tale is from the blurb on Amazon, though. Can anyone tell? Here's the blurb:

In 1910, in an alternate London, a penniless young dancer is visited by a cat who communicates with her mind to mind. Though she is certain she must be going mad, she is desperate enough to follow the cat's advice and impersonates a famous Russian ballerina. The cat, it turns out, is actually an Elemental Earth Spirit, and leads her to minor stardom.

Meanwhile, the real Russian ballerina has fallen victim to an evil troll who takes over her body and kills her patrons, drinking their life essences in order to strengthen his powers. And soon, the troll focuses his dark attentions on the young dancer...

Her Bardic Voices series is also good, although not as sophisticated as her Elemental Masters books.
Lark and the Wren
The Robin & the Kestrel
Eagle and the Nightingales
Four and Twenty Blackbirds
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Zealith on September 01, 2007, 01:43:43 pm
Well the only cat fairytail I can think of off the top of my head is puss in boots. That one also has the cat giving instructions  to make it's owner rich.
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Grey Drakkon on September 01, 2007, 06:36:24 pm
Yep, Puss is what came to mind too.
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on September 02, 2007, 10:48:24 am
That's what comes to mind for me too, regarding cats, but it sounds like she might be combining it with a version of 'The Red Shoes'.
I don't think I'm going to bother with this one either.
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Cerulean on September 02, 2007, 12:49:30 pm
Puss in Boots it is, then! I'm sure I'll read it, but not sure I'll buy it - certainly not in hardcover, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Zealith on September 04, 2007, 01:03:05 pm
I'll read it when it appears in my library. ^^
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on September 13, 2007, 08:59:55 pm
I hauled some of my cassettes to work the other day & played them.  Anybody else here heard any of the music from the Valdemar books, or the 'Oath' series?
I love 'It was a dark & stormy night', but some of the songs from the Vanyel trilogy are darned good too.
And then, of course, there's the sequel to 'D&SNight'. ;D
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Zealith on September 15, 2007, 12:03:00 pm
I've heard a few of the songs. D&SN is definately one of my favorites. But the only CD I have is the Vanyel one.
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on September 15, 2007, 12:22:23 pm
I really like the snowdrake song.  "Silver & amythest. . . "
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Zealith on September 15, 2007, 12:37:20 pm
I like the snow beast song too, I think it was on the oath CD.
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on September 15, 2007, 12:54:11 pm
Yup. ;D Along with 'that song'.  snicker snicker.
Oh, I'm reminded, 'Threes' is in that one, have you seen/heard 'Threes, revision 1.1'?
Hee hee hee.
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Zealith on September 15, 2007, 02:00:12 pm
I haven't heard either of those saddly. *tear*
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on September 15, 2007, 02:10:38 pm
I should see if I can't find a link over to Firebird. 
Ms. Lackey, as you may have read, used to do computer work for somebody, so she had a filk based on 'Threes' that was pulled over to the corporate world & computer programmers.
Threes is the song that Leslac the bard/minstrel (he considered himself a bard, but by Valdemaran reconning I don't think he'd have rated above minstrel) wrote about their encounter with the bandit who had enough mind magic (telepathic projection, I think) to make anyone looking at him think he was someone they vaguely knew & trusted.
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Zealith on September 15, 2007, 02:45:57 pm
I remember the story. I would like to hear it, it sounded fun.
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on September 15, 2007, 03:01:17 pm
I just googled the name, & it came up pronto.  I've never had any problem with them, but there was a complaint that came up on the same dozen responses.
Have you, by the way, read the 'Werehunter' collection of shorts from other fictons?

I don't think this is going to work, but I'm going to try to import the cover of the "Sun & Shadow" album, co-written by Ms. Lackey & the "Golden Bough" band.  Nope, not happening.  But a google works really well.
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Zealith on September 18, 2007, 02:19:59 pm
Thanks. *wanders off to look them up*
Yeah, one of the first shortstory collections I bought. My favorite stories were WereHunter and the one with Diana at the romance writer convention.
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on September 19, 2007, 08:38:27 pm
Ah, yes, 'whoopie witches'.  You can imagine how they'd go over with the TriCities' resident witch. . . . :D
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Zealith on September 22, 2007, 04:13:19 pm
*Snicker*
I liked the crazy spells. "You nuns are in the mail!"
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on September 22, 2007, 04:31:28 pm
Well, as long as he's young & handsome, with a full head of hair, you can afford to put off mailing your nuns. . .
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Zealith on September 22, 2007, 07:53:35 pm
:P
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: berneynator on February 20, 2008, 06:49:46 pm
"One Good Knight",and the reason I didn't like it was that it was so...Feeble. "

I agree. Fortune's Fool was great, as was The Fairy Godmother, but a great idea go flattened here.
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Grey Drakkon on February 21, 2008, 06:00:58 pm
"Fortune's Fool" is the third one right?  Still need to read that one, but I'm glad it didn't fail like the second book. 
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Cerulean on March 21, 2008, 01:25:44 pm
I just started re-reading one of her few standalone books, Sacred Ground. Here's the blurb from Amazon. It says it's a YA novel, but I think it's accessible to any age.
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Native American Jennifer Talldeer is a private investigator who usually deals with mundane cases of divorce, insurance fraud, and missing persons. Her cantankerous grandfather is teaching her the skills of a shaman and the magic possessed by warriors. When she is hired by an insurance company to look into the bombing of a shopping mall where fragments of Indian artifacts are discovered, both of these interests come into play. The burial ground of her ancestors has been destroyed as well as the mall site, freeing evil spirits who hinder the investigation and threaten to destroy her and the entire world. Jennifer must also deal with the return of her former lover, David Spotted Horse, who is an Indian activist and a prime suspect in the bombing. Skillfully weaving a tale of fantasy, mystery, and Native American folklore, Lackey has written a unique novel sure to appeal to YA fans
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on March 21, 2008, 08:44:02 pm
Strange to hear they're marketing it that way, I've always seen it in regular F/SF shelves.  And as best I recall ( and I don't remember the mall), the content was no more than 'R', but a bit heavy for YA fantasy.
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Cerulean on March 22, 2008, 06:29:51 am
Exactly, Patti - I don't think it's YA at all.
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: charmed on March 22, 2008, 10:45:51 am
OK, wandering slightly OT here, but I haev seen some Charles DeLindt books shelved as YA; wtf?

Hmmm, maybe we need a new topic in Odds and Ends.
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Demeter on March 22, 2008, 11:56:58 am
I have not read Sacred Ground, but am not surprised to hear it's being marketed as YA - as are quite a lot of books with fairly mature content. There's a Joan D. Vinge (Catspaw) that was originally marketed as YA, although the author never intended it.  Probably a topic for another thread, but interesting and I think it speaks to our time...

As for Mercedes Lackey, she is definitely one of my favorite authors, though I agree that some of her books really fall short.

One Good Knight had some major disappointments (how fast did that romance get resolved?! Made my head spin!) but what I really liked about it was how it slowly dawned on the reader (at least this one) that the protagonist, Andie(?) was "supposed" to be evil.  Her kingdom is a dark little evil one.  I thought that was an interesting choice and nicely done.

I really like the Elemental Mage series - Serpent's Shadow and Phoenix and Ashes are my favorites. I'm glad to hear that there is a new one coming out (I never buy hardback, so I'll be waiting)  It sounds more like the Red Shoes than Puss in Boots to me but I would expect Lackey to choose just one fairy tale for the Elemental Mage series - it's only the 500 Kingdom books that have multiple fairy tale influences (that I've seen)

As for the Obsidian Trilogy - Agreed that Kellen is one of the stupidest heroes of all time, I found his thick headed, short sighted, unimaginative person to be very annoying,  and I think his sister would agree.  Of course she is pretty stupid herself in a lot of ways (at least with regard to her romance)  What I found very interesting and enjoyed (in a horror sort of way) was the depiction of the Endarkened.  I think the demons are very well done.  A good combination of truly horrific, but with a sort of evil beauty that makes their ability to seduce humanity still seemed convincing.  Unfortunately it seems like that city might just deserve to get taken over.

I have not read any of the modern race car driving elf series, nor the Diana (Treegarden?) series.  yet:)
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Cerulean on March 24, 2008, 12:53:30 pm
I only got a couple chapters into Sacred Ground before I had to laugh - there's a part where a character thinks about those newfangled cellular phones and thinks he should've invested in one. Then another character says she needs a new word processing package. :) It is a *little* outdated technologically! Hmm, maybe an idea for another thread?
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: Demeter on March 24, 2008, 08:32:07 pm
It is a *little* outdated technologically! Hmm, maybe an idea for another thread?

Well, it was published in 1995, and as horrifying as it is to realize it, that was over a decade ago and cell phones were big ol' clunky things that were more likely to add to the geek-o-meter, rather than make you seem cool.

Want to see out dated technology (though still quite forward thinking for its time)?  Watch Desk Set with Katherine Hepburn and Spencer Tracy.  Best way to see it is with a bunch of reference librarians   :D I had a great time at a Special Library Association meeting where we all had popcorn and hot dogs and laughed at the use of natural language queries of a computer that filled a large room.  'nuff said.

(I'll keep eye out for that other thread!)
Title: Re: Mercades Lackey
Post by: charmed on March 24, 2008, 08:36:04 pm
It is a *little* outdated technologically! Hmm, maybe an idea for another thread?

It is a *little* outdated technologically! Hmm, maybe an idea for another thread?

(I'll keep eye out for that other thread!)

Go for it ladies! If you are talking about outdated tech stuff in books, put it in Odds and Ends; if talking about outdated technology in general then either Chat or Whatever. 
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: ArtAngel on May 22, 2008, 08:12:51 am
Oh yes, I adore these books. I've read about three quarters of her stories. My favorites are anything Valdemar and the Obsidian Trilogy. I was a tad disapointed in "The Pheonix Unchained", it's a good story but a child's story in comparison to the Obsidian Trilogy.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on May 22, 2008, 08:20:14 am
I haven't tried that group, I think too many inconsistencies creep in when she has co-writers.  The one she wrote by herself that most disappoints me is "The Black Swan".  Cardboard villan.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: ArtAngel on May 22, 2008, 09:03:02 am
Yeah The Black Swan was nowhere near her usual standard. But you should get the Obsidian Trilogy, it is absolutely awesome.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on May 22, 2008, 01:12:21 pm
I never managed to get more than a chapter into the first in the Obsidian Trilogy.
I'm ready This Rough Magic right now, and it's just as intricate and interesting as In the Shadow of the LIon.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Cerulean on May 22, 2008, 07:41:31 pm
I really liked the first book in the Obsidian Trilogy and liked the second okay, but the third one came out (or seemed to) so much later that I'd forgotten everything that happened and so didn't read it. Plus I read some so-so reviews on Amazon.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: jenglows on May 25, 2008, 09:47:48 pm
 Anyone want to recommend their favorite book to me?  I haven't read her and I want to start with something really good :)
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Demeter on May 25, 2008, 10:06:37 pm
Glow - it really depends on what you are in the mood to read, she's got a wide range.

I love her elemental mage series - especially Phoenix and Ashes and the Serpent's Shadow.  You can tell right away with Phoenix that it is a retelling of Cinderella, but I read all the way through Serpent without knowing it was a fairy tale... I had to go back and think about it after I read Phoenix... it's obvious when you know that it's a retelling, but the fairy tale does not, in any way, get in the way of a good story.  The "Elemental Mage" part means that the magic in these worlds are based on fire, water, earth and air.  Each mage has a different affinity. Lots of spirit creatures around... good stuff.  The only one I didn't really like was The Gates of Sleep (Sleeping Beauty)

Personally, I also enjoy her 500 Hundred Kingdom series - more fairy tales all mixed up, but they don't appeal to everyone. The Fairy Godmother is, so far, the best (though my mother preferred Fortune's Fool)

Now, what Lackey is best known for is the Valdemar series, which is WONDERFUL.  Valdemar is a kind of Utopia. With these cool beings that look like horses, but are actually called Companions.  If you want to read it all chronologically within the world, you can start with the Gryphon series (Black, White and Silver Gryphon) but I think you'd actually do better to read them in the order they were published, which means starting with the Arrows of the Queen.  If you don't mind a young girl protagonist, I think that's the best way to see this world unfold... you get to meet Talia, a sheltered young girl, and learn with her about these Companions. Lackey does a nice job with 'coming of age' stories, and there are some very nice ones throughout the Valdemar books.  She grows up as the series evolve. Most likely, you'll see a timeline published in the book, but basically  you want the Heralds of Valdemar books (1-3); Winds of Fate (1-3) and there are some good duologies and a stand along that go along with them.

If you want a sword and sorcery, chicks rule and kick butt sort of book, start with the Oathbound and Oathbreakers, then either go back to the Heralds Trilogies, or read By The Sword, which is about the daughter of Oathbreakers characters...

If you get sucked in to the Valdemar books (and I sure enjoyed it!) I think it's best to read them in the order published, but you can pretty well take your pick from the timeline - and see what's available in your library - or at your used book store :)
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on May 25, 2008, 10:18:54 pm
What ever you do, do not start her valdemar books with Firestorm, it does practically no explanations of the world. The last Herald Mage trilogy, The Black Gryphon or the White Gryphon are my favorites. She writes just about everything, which specific part of sci-fi/fantasy do you like?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: jenglows on May 25, 2008, 10:22:23 pm
sword/sorc with heroines,  mystery crossovers, whatever.  I'll read just about anything if it's well written and entertaining ( I'm a book slut :) )
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on May 25, 2008, 10:24:27 pm
Maybe you'd better start with OathBound and Oath Breaker. There is also a collection of short stories for that trilogy. Any of her valdemar books would also more or less match sword/sorc with heroines.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: charmed on May 26, 2008, 06:03:42 am
I like most of the book in her Elves on the Road Universe, which has 3 series: Bedlam Bard, Serrated Edge and Diana Tregarde. This (http://www.mercedeslackey.com/biblio_series.html) will tell you more.

I agree with Demeter about the Elemental Mage series; I never got into Valdemar or any of her more traditional fantasy stories.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on May 26, 2008, 06:56:09 pm
I loved them all, though I haven't managed to work my way through one of her co-authored series and Sacred Ground.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on May 26, 2008, 07:08:27 pm
And this is where tastes can differ.  I read the Valdemar of all sorts, including the Oathbound, Oathbreaker, & Oathsister collections, which do impinge on Valdemar.  I did read Sacred Ground, although it didn't stick with me particularly well.  The co-written things like the Obsidian, I haven't gotten into, nor the Elizabethan era elves.  The Bedlam's Bard, SERRAted edge, and Diana Tregard I've read.  My main problem with Diana was the loving attention she gave to evil.
At one point she was saying Diana had been victim of an airlock accident on Babylon 5 & we wouldn't see her again, because people were trying to re-create the evil magical spells she made up.  She figured she could get away from that/away with writing more in that world by connecting it with the elves.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: charmed on May 26, 2008, 07:11:46 pm
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I haven't gotten into, nor the Elizabethan era elves.  The Bedlam's Bard, SERRAted edge, and Diana Tregard I've read. 

The Elizabethan ones didn't do it for me either but the rest of the series I enjoy very much. 
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on May 26, 2008, 07:20:03 pm
I'm also not thrilled when she tries to do re-tellings.  She does some all right, but others are not to my taste.  As I mentioned earlier, "The Black Swan" had a cheap cardboard villan.  And I couldn't get into Phoenyx, nor Gates of Sleep.  I didn't really see what fairy tale she was trying to re-tell in the one with the half-Indian female doctor, so I didn't have a problem with it, & Fire Rose came in on Elemental Masters with a fairly light nod toward "beauty & the beast", in my opinion.  I also wonder why she insists on sticking the rest of them in Europe rather than America, & during the end of the Victorian era.
But there, that's just me.
I'll note there's a section in one of the Honor duology about Albrecht (In Valdemar) where she, like Our Hostess, perpetuates the "glass sags as it gets older" myth.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on May 26, 2008, 07:44:31 pm
Obsidian, that's the series I can't get into. I do like Elizabethan era elves though. And I *think* Shadow of the Serpant was a retelling of the disney version of snow white. 7 Hindu gods, aka dwarfs, an apple that causes a sleeping spell... I want to find Fire Rose, I've been getting into reading the different interpitations of Beauty and the Beast recently, it's amusing to see all the different spins one why/how the beast became the beast.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Demeter on May 26, 2008, 09:00:18 pm
Yes, Shadow of the Serpent is Snow White - roughly, and I'd say 'Disney' as much as anything - I don't think she had a corset or comb anywhere, just the apple :)

I haven't managed to finish Sacred Ground or any of the modern elves.  Absolutely right about different tastes.

Exile's Honor, about Albrecht, was one of my all time favorite Valdemar books - but I think it can only be enjoyed if you've read through Arrows and Mage Winds, at least.  I also really enjoyed the stuff that (I think) came after the Mage Winds trilogy - with the Son of the Sun and the invading military guy from the Empire who has such a heart of gold - can't remember the name now, but it's obvious from the beginning so I don't think that's a spoiler. I found Karse an interesting country and enjoy the way she developed their theology.

The bird/bard books are not bad either, though they haven't gotten me so sucked in as the Valdemar books have. I even buy the short stories for those.

I found the first of the Obsidian Trilogy really engrossing, but agree that it is seriously flawed.

As for the fairy tale retellings, I have to say that, while I agree with Patti that the Black Swan has a carboard villian, for some reason, I still really enjoyed it.  I think I may just be a sucker for fairy tales :)

And I really do enjoy the Fairy Godmother - in that one Cinderella's story is not turning out the way she'd like (the prince of her land is 10 when she's fully grown) so she takes her fate into her own hands and goes out to get paid for her labors.  That's how she ends up an apprentice fairy godmother. I really enjoy the concept of hte story and the humor throughout. I find the idea of the Tradition and how it can be used intriguing and I think she's doen a good job with that in the series.  There are some things that are a bit obvious, and some things (especially in One Good Knight) that are tied up just a little too quickly and neatly, but I still enjoy them.  I can't give them a whole hearted endorsement, but that's only because I know people have... different tastes. So we are always back to that :)
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on May 26, 2008, 09:08:24 pm
I'm with you there.
I also think she may be suffering a bit from her own success.  She's re-using material she's already done, to get the most milage out of it.  The wise fool in the latest 500 kingdoms book is just like (although not *actually* despised ) the hero of the version of the "Firebird" she did.  And that was another that I felt was rather 'cardboard'.  He gets all this good stuff just because he's youngest?  And his elder brothers are all that arrogant & cruel, with no particular reason? Pshaw.
Demeter, did you read the 2nd book about Albrecht, "Exile's Valor"?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on May 26, 2008, 09:09:57 pm
The thing about BLack Swan was that it gave me a good basis for the original story, even if the villian wasn't the best. I fully admit I'm not very good with remembering the basics of different fairy tails.

I love the Honor books, and I'm hoping she keeps the tradition of having three of that one.

And I really loved Firebird. Though I can't give a spicific reason.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Demeter on May 26, 2008, 09:14:56 pm
Patti - yes, I read Exile's Valor, although it was all too short for me :)

Funny thing - I remember reading them voraciously and loving them so much, I have to work to recall details now though.  Too much other stuff in my brain I guess.  Which should make re-reading them lots of fun!
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on May 26, 2008, 09:20:10 pm
 ;D your dispenser of excuses, as well as pusher of crackbooks.
Speaking of which, I got my "Snippets" thread sorted out into chronological order.

I'd still like to see more of what's happeining in Valdemar proper during the Owl trilogy.
Oh, Sarah Hoyt & one of her better minions from BB have a story in the next Valdemar anthology that's coming out within - er, probably a year or less.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Demeter on May 26, 2008, 09:28:01 pm
Excellent!  I shall rely on you, my favorite book pusher, to keep me informed of the latest Lackey stuff :)
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on May 26, 2008, 09:32:58 pm
I want to read the founding of Valdemar, and the Sun and Shadow story.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on May 26, 2008, 09:36:16 pm
the Oathbound, Oathbreaker, & Oathsister collections, which do impinge on Valdemar.
You're behind the times, Zealith.  It's even the same style of cover, although at least the colors differ!  It's blue instead of black & brown.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: AdrienneEtienneHouseman on May 31, 2008, 03:08:10 am
I like what I have read of Mercedes Lackey, which consists of the Vaneyal series.  I want to read more, but I must wait until it is again the school year, and I have access to my best friend/roommate's books.  I think that she was going to hand me the Tarma and Kethry books next though there were several others that she was going to have me read (something about elves in the modern day and much of the rest of the Valdemar books).

I look forward to reading more of her stuff.

AEH
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Grey Drakkon on June 01, 2008, 03:53:40 pm
I really wasn't a fan of the racecar elves, but a friend of mine loved them, so don't take just my word for it. 
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: rox_squirrel on June 01, 2008, 04:55:36 pm
i love her valdemar books and a few other of her books but i couldn't get into the serrated edge series or the diana tregarde books
i do hope she writes a few more valdemar books at some point
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: charmed on June 01, 2008, 04:59:25 pm
I'm just the opposite. I really enjoy the Serrated Edge, Bedlams's Bard and Diane Tregarde stories. Her more traditional fantasy mostly leaves me bored.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: rox_squirrel on June 01, 2008, 05:03:49 pm
I'm just the opposite. I really enjoy the Serrated Edge, Bedlams's Bard and Diane Tregarde stories. Her more traditional fantasy mostly leaves me bored.
  ;D that really is funny how opposite we are then
i also liked the obsidian trilogy books by her (i forgot to mention those previously)

Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Grey Drakkon on June 01, 2008, 07:49:45 pm
Hah!  I liked the bards books, but I HATED the first Obsidian book.  I just couldn't stand how damned stupid the main character was.  Hey, you think the unicorn just might be leery of your sister because she's not a virgin, moron? She SAID SHE HAD KIDS!  (sure they're feathered, but that counts)
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Demeter on June 01, 2008, 07:53:51 pm
His overwhelming stupidity was a serious problem in a book that had so many good ideas going for it.

Unfortunately there are A LOT of stupid characters in those Obsidian books!

And yet, I still read them...   Partly because I am rather intrigued by the portrayal of the Endarkened.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Grey Drakkon on June 04, 2008, 07:14:54 pm
That's what ticked me off so badly!  There were so many interesting things about the story, but it felt like I was getting whacked on the head with a brick every time that dope opened his mouth.  :P
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Demeter on June 04, 2008, 11:01:38 pm
And we couldn't whack him back on the head with the brick!!

What he needed was a 2x4 upside his head to knock some sense in to him... for a while it seemed like his sister might be able to do it, and then she needed the brick.  ::)
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: dsgholam on June 05, 2008, 03:41:20 pm
Any one read the new 500 Kingdoms book, The Snow Queen? There's a character that I think you would like Patti L.- it's a librarian dragon.  :) She (the dragon) only became fierce at the thought that perhaps the books being borrowed would not be returned.

I like all the Herald books except the Elspeth ones. I don't know why, but those didn't really interest me. I liked the first Alta book, but couldn't get into the others. The only books I haven't even been able to start are the ones about the elves in modern times. I did like the Diane Tregard trilogy, except that the second one was so sad and depressing.

My favorite books so far have been the retellings of fairy tales set in England, the Elemental Masters. There is one that is not set in England, but instead San Francisco. That one is my favorite, it's a retelling of Beauty and the Beast and it's called "The Fire Rose" I think. But that book is also an Elemental Masters, and was in fact the first one.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: e_booklover on June 05, 2008, 03:48:26 pm
I am trying to wait for that one The Snow Queen in paperback...we will see how well my willpower holds out.  I think I have most of her other books including her collaborations.  I actually liked the modern day Elves better then her current Elizabethian era so I haven't been adding those to my collection.  While I agree that the hero in the Obsidian books was a bit thick at times :D I enjoyed their descriptions and wanted to see how it would all end so I enjoyed them.  Not as sure with the newest one in that series though.  My favorite collaborations are Shadows of the Lion and This Rough Magic.   



edited to fix confusing part.  Thanks Patti L.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on June 05, 2008, 07:30:36 pm
I just read those two, they're great for making you stretch your memory to remember all the connections between the characters.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on June 05, 2008, 08:43:45 pm
I am trying to wait for that one is paperback...we will see how well my willpower holds out.  I think I have most of her other books including her collaborations.  I actually liked the modern day Elves better then her current Elizabethian era so I haven't been adding those to my collection.  While I agree that the hero in the Obsidian books was a bit thick at times :D I enjoyed their descriptions and wanted to see how it would all end so I enjoyed them.  Not as sure with the newest one in that series though.  My favorite collaborations are Shadows of the Lion and This Rough Magic.  
Do you mean you're waiting for the "Snow Queen" one?  The way you put it, it sounded/looked as though you meant 'the Fire Rose' which, to the best of my knowledge, has only been out in the one paperback edition.
I liked that one, but not most of the rest of that series, so far. 
The Alta books, to some extent I agree, first good, later ones, not so anxious to read them.
I'll have to see about the librarian dragon in the "500 Kingdoms" book, I seem to recall that one or more of the dragons from the "One Good Knight" (is that the title?  I've forgotten) were of that ilk.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Demeter on June 05, 2008, 09:30:16 pm
Yes, the dragons in One Good Knight (one especially) were Book Wyrms, and their hoards were books :)


I've decided that I'm going to break down and buy the Snow Queen in hard back... I got a 30% off coupon for Borders and I can send it to my mom who collects big hard back Lackey books.

I want the Reserved for the Cat too... but my coupon is only good for one item :(

I'll just have to keep my peepers open for another coupon in my inbox!
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: cherdabear on June 27, 2008, 12:46:02 pm
I just finished Snow Queen and enjoyed it.  I was a little disappointed in the conflict at the end it seemed like everything was too easy for the amount of build up it had. I mean the last 20 pages of the book to wrap up everything.

It was still good though and I did like all the characters.

I really enjoyed her joust books, and the one elemental one I have read.  I have to get some more of her books they seem to always be good ones.  :D
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Demeter on June 28, 2008, 11:44:28 am
I, too, was a little disappointed in how quickly The Snow Queen resolved.  As much as I enjoy Lackey, I think this is a failing in many of her books - especially with the last couple of 500 Kingdom books (Snow Queen being the latest) but it's happened before.

Still, I enjoy the premise of most of her books and she has some wonderful ideas. Generally great characters too.  Of the Elemental Mage series, Phoenix and Ashes and Shadow of the Serpent were my favorites.  Wizard of London was good, but went too quickly for me.  Fire Rose (which you hardly ever see listed with the elemental mage books, but clearly belongs there - it was published in the 90's) was also pretty good.  And especially interesting as I live so near San Francisco :)

I have had a lot of fun with the Valdemar series.  You can start a lot of different places, but I think it's worth starting with Arrows of the Queen.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on June 28, 2008, 04:34:59 pm
I recently got my hands on Fire Rose, and I think it is my favorite of the elemental series. But I do like all the other books in it.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: mdauben on July 19, 2008, 09:37:43 am
Mercedes Lackey's books have always been kind of hit-and-miss with me.  Some I really liked (the Heralds of Valdemar trillogy, for example) and others not so much (such as the the Heirs of Alexandria books).  I guess becuase of this I have kind of put off reading more of her books than I already have.   :-\
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on July 19, 2008, 10:15:14 am
I'm with you on this.  Basically, I don't like most of her co-written stuff.  Valdemar, yes.  The SERRAted edge, okay, although there's more dark stuff than I'm really comfortable with, as with the Eric Banyon stuff.  Alexandria, not at all, the Elizabethian, not at all, got tired of the Alta.  I'm waiting to see how/if she really brings Diana Tregarde back into the SERRAted edge world with the elves.  My understanding is that she figured that if she did that it would stop the people who thought they could use the dark magic system(s) in the Tregarde world, & were practicing the rituals she made up for it by mixing in the elves.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: mdauben on July 19, 2008, 10:38:12 am
The SERRAted edge, okay, although there's more dark stuff than I'm really comfortable with... 

Exactly!  The character of "Tania" and her situation in the first book, for example, really kept me from enjoying the story.   :(

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I'm waiting to see how/if she really brings Diana Tregarde back into the SERRAted edge world with the elves.  My understanding is that she figured that if she did that it would stop the people who thought they could use the dark magic system(s) in the Tregarde world, & were practicing the rituals she made up for it by mixing in the elves.

I did enjoy the Diana Tregarde stories I have read (again with the hit-or-miss, eh?) and would not mind if she returned to that character, although she had shown a lot of reluctance to do so, for what ever reasons she has.  Those were much the best I thought of the Elves on the Road universe stories.   :-\
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on July 19, 2008, 10:49:27 am
What I read somewhere (don't remember, maybe Valdemar Companion?) was that she found there were people trying to do the dark rituals & achieve the results she made up, so she sent Diana on a vacation to Babylon 5, where she was last seen expelled from an ill-repaired airlock, clutching her teddy bear.  But if you look closely at "Jinx High", you'll notice the very young Tannim as a peripheral character.  She got the idea from that, I guess, of linking her {Diana} more closely to the world Tannim inhabits, that of the racing elves.  Then the would be black magicians would either have to give up and admit it's fantasy fiction, or believe the rest of it too.  Elves, Kitsune, ghosts, dragons, elementals, the whole nine yards.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: charmed on July 19, 2008, 08:01:31 pm
I had never heard that about the Tregarde books; I did wonder why she had stopped so abruptly with that character. I do like the SERRAted Edge books and the Bedlam's Bard books and their relative darkness is one of the things that I like. I find them a good blend of reality, high fantasy, humor, romance and action. She blends all those together without it feelign forced.

Her more traditional fantasy, I don't find to be nearly as interesting. I tried her Elizabethan series and just couldn't maintain an interest.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: mdauben on July 19, 2008, 09:25:51 pm
I do like the SERRAted Edge books and the Bedlam's Bard books and their relative darkness is one of the things that I like.

It just comes down to personal taste.  I don't necessarily dislike "dark" but I read for enjoyment and there are certain things that I just don't enjoy reading about.  I suppose I'm just sort of squemish in that respect.   :-[
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on July 19, 2008, 09:33:50 pm
Ditto. 

There has to be some darkness, or there's no tension for the story.

But it doesn't have to be lingered on and relished.  The pretend kestrachern from the White Gryphon, the assorted baddies from Diane Tregarde, some of the villans from the elves/bards stuff.  She lavishes so much time on them.
Consider in contrast Tim in Iron Kissed.

Why I'm here, not on whatever forum she may have.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: charmed on July 20, 2008, 06:54:29 am
Well, Tim I think could have been developed a bit more for my tastes.

I like that the baddies in the elf books aren't just throw away characters. They have some depth and even occasionally, a redeeming quality or two. Just like real people. I find that helps ground the story for me.

I do like the SERRAted Edge books and the Bedlam's Bard books and their relative darkness is one of the things that I like.

It just comes down to personal taste.  I don't necessarily dislike "dark" but I read for enjoyment and there are certain things that I just don't enjoy reading about.  I suppose I'm just sort of squemish in that respect.   :-[

I hear ya. There are certain things that are too dark for me and I stay away from. I have a hard time, for instance, with all of the torture scenes Patty includes. Oh boy do I squirm. If they were a larger component of her stories, I wouldn't read her books.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on July 20, 2008, 09:09:23 am
I may be developing selective memory, but I think hers are far less specific and lengthy than Ms. Lackey writes.  I get the impression that ML researches her material pretty thoroughly, and can't bear not to use her research.  Just the stuff about how he [the fake kestrachern] twisted those women he was supposed to be making stronger & healthier, that could have been cut by at least a quarter, maybe more, for my taste. 

Yes, those villans have some depth, I suppose, although it's a depth of nasty craziness, with no history to the person. (Who was he before he joined the Mage of Silence's army?  What was his childhood like?  His formative years? --Does he have equally creepy siblings out there?-- Why is he not in Maur's army, given his preferences?)

But others are cut outs.  What was the motivation of the villan in 'The Black Swan'?  Why did he choose this way of 'avenging' himself?  Did no-one ever point out to him the harm he was doing to a whole pool of other people for each young woman he took?

And why didn't his daughter find herself some allies & work against him?  Fileal loyalty?  Then why did she defeat him in the end?  Why did it take her until there were a dozen women being enchanted before she acted?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: charmed on July 20, 2008, 02:07:54 pm
I may be developing selective memory, but I think hers are far less specific and lengthy than Ms. Lackey writes.  I get the impression that ML researches her material pretty thoroughly, and can't bear not to use her research.  Just the stuff about how he [the fake kestrachern] twisted those women he was supposed to be making stronger & healthier, that could have been cut by at least a quarter, maybe more, for my taste. 

Yes, those villans have some depth, I suppose, although it's a depth of nasty craziness, with no history to the person. (Who was he before he joined the Mage of Silence's army?  What was his childhood like?  His formative years? --Does he have equally creepy siblings out there?-- Why is he not in Maur's army, given his preferences?)

But others are cut outs.  What was the motivation of the villan in 'The Black Swan'?  Why did he choose this way of 'avenging' himself?  Did no-one ever point out to him the harm he was doing to a whole pool of other people for each young woman he took?

And why didn't his daughter find herself some allies & work against him?  Fileal loyalty?  Then why did she defeat him in the end?  Why did it take her until there were a dozen women being enchanted before she acted?

Unfortunately I have not read the books that you are referring to, that's why I used the examples I did.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on July 20, 2008, 05:12:45 pm
Well, I'd recommend not spending money to do so.  Whether you want to check 'em out of library, your choice.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Grey Drakkon on July 20, 2008, 05:34:01 pm
Lackey wrote out here why she stopped writing them, and it looks like for several reasons, one of which is that they were ahead of their time, and as a result weren't selling.  http://www.mercedeslackey.com/features_laststraw.html  Urban Fantasy just wasn't popular when they were published, but now it is.  Looks like there were some hard-core crazies and religious fanatics that were attacking her too. 

   Pity that she's mixing it up with the racecar elves, I really disliked those books.  Not because they were dark, but because all of the ones I read had insufferably stupid (intelligence-wise) characters or character making bonehead moves.  Just couldn't relate to them. 
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on July 20, 2008, 05:39:53 pm
Just read snow queen. And I really liked it! I think she did a good job on this one.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: charmed on July 20, 2008, 05:44:15 pm
Wow grey that was quite the blog entry she wrote. Sadly, I can believe that people are that stupid and clueless.

I picked up Snow Queen at the library and will likely start it after I finish From Dead to Worse by Charlaine Harris.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: emmad on July 20, 2008, 06:00:46 pm
I actually have a tattoo of the black gryphon on my shoulder blade lol.  Read these books about um 15? years ago and had was looking for a design for a tattoo at the time. 
Loved the series and just recently thinking about re reading them.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Grey Drakkon on July 31, 2008, 07:22:37 pm
I loved how her husband illustrated the gryphons, he manages to convey their personality beautifully. 
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on July 31, 2008, 07:44:11 pm
I love all the illistrations her husband adds, it adds another demintion to the writing.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on November 17, 2008, 06:19:39 pm
Just read her newest valdimar books, I'm glad she's writing them again. ^_^ I really enjoyed it, takes place a few generations after The Last Herald Mage Tilogy.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: rox_squirrel on November 17, 2008, 06:39:38 pm
there's a new one  :o

*runs off to the B&N webpage*

drat, forgot it'd be out in hardcover only. ohhh, well.
i ordered it from my library and will wait to add it to my collection until its in paper back (so it matches the rest of the books :) )
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on November 17, 2008, 06:50:55 pm
Sure screams 'sequels coming', doesn't it?
Anybody - wait, that'd be spoilers, never mind.
But you can see that Maggs is going to be the one who institutes/suggests some of the basic, 'real world' training that future genereations of Herald trainees get.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on November 17, 2008, 07:22:39 pm
Yeah. ^_^ I like Mag, he's pretty different from the other heralds we've had. Only ones who came from any thing like him were Talia and Alberich, and I only say that because those two had no idea what they were getting into either.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on November 17, 2008, 07:46:29 pm
Well, of main characters, true.  But remember the classmate of Elspeth's from outkingdom, who pretty much got pushed into being a child whore, or - was it Keren? - who came from the Lake Evindim fishing longhouse?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on November 17, 2008, 07:47:59 pm
Hmm, good point. Though I think it was Talia's classmate, not Elspeths.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on November 17, 2008, 08:28:58 pm
No, Elspeth's; He'd been asked to project something into the mind of -  well.  Hmm.  Maybe you're right, but I seem to remember Elspeth with the classmate/sometime lover who couldn't sleep in the same bed with anyone else?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: rox_squirrel on November 17, 2008, 08:43:04 pm
Yeah, I think Elspeth did have a classmate like that, but it was Talia's classmate that did the projection experiment (as it was Talia's empathy gift that picked up the memory).

most of Mercedes Lackey's books come in series so i wouldn't be surprised if there is a sequel (or two) but i wonder what it would be called as all her series tend to follow a pattern with the titles.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on November 17, 2008, 08:48:46 pm
Well, if she's feeling really silly, they could follow the titles of the classic Asimov series, heh.
Or with 'Foundation' as the first, she might follow a building metaphor.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: gryphon340 on November 18, 2008, 03:27:36 am
keren was the riding instructor/swim instructor for Talia.
I believe it was Talia classmate cause she projected the feelings
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: CheeseBK on November 18, 2008, 07:59:26 am
THANK YOU, patti for introducing this writer to me. I read the Fire Rose and really liked it. I will make sure to read more from Mercedes Lackey!
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on November 18, 2008, 10:11:19 am
You're welcome!  Remember, she's got some diversity in what she's writing & co-writing; I'd estimate 96% chance you won't like everything her name is on.  I don't even like most of the "Elemental Masters" books after "Fire Rose", I think "Gates of Sleep", about the half Indian half English doctor was the last.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: rox_squirrel on November 18, 2008, 11:40:51 am
yeah, for Mercedes Lackey i pretty much stick to her Valdemar books.  I liked Gates of Sleep and the Obsidian Trilogy but really didn't like Jinx High and those books.  also didn't like the Serrated edge books

i pretty much just stick to the pretty talking horses  ;D
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Cerulean on November 18, 2008, 02:40:23 pm
You're welcome!  Remember, she's got some diversity in what she's writing & co-writing; I'd estimate 96% chance you won't like everything her name is on.  I don't even like most of the "Elemental Masters" books after "Fire Rose", I think "Gates of Sleep", about the half Indian half English doctor was the last.

The half-Indian doctor was The Serpent's Shadow (Snow White), the first in the series. The Gates of Sleep is the second in the series and was about the girl living in the country with her artist uncle, and is taken by her Aunt Arachne (Sleeping Beauty). Huh, strangely enough, Amazon doesn't classify The Fire Rose as being in the Elemental Masters series, just as "Elemental Masters fairy tales". I guess that book started it all but the others were more planned out as a series... maybe. Anyhow, Serpent's Shadow and Phoenix & Ashes (Cinderella) are the best of that series, IMO.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on November 18, 2008, 03:18:37 pm
Not surprised I got it wrong. 
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: OTenshi on November 18, 2008, 04:00:28 pm
I liked them all. 

Hi, my name's OTenshi, and I'm a book junky.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on November 18, 2008, 06:16:38 pm
The only ones of hers I didn't enjoy on some level was the um, obsidian series?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: rox_squirrel on December 17, 2008, 07:19:37 am
just finished Foundation.  sooo many unanswered questions.  want next book!!!!
 ;D

Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on December 18, 2008, 11:44:43 pm
I know! On the other hand, I'm just glad she's writing about heralds again.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: rox_squirrel on December 19, 2008, 09:41:56 am
Yeah, same.  It's mostly the Herald books of hers that I enjoy  ;D
can't wait for more of the pretty talking horses
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 19, 2008, 10:43:24 am
I enjoy looking for the recurring characters, since they reincarnate.  Haven't seen too many so far.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on December 22, 2008, 12:32:02 pm
Yeah, and many of the ones they mention in that guide book were such minor characters I didn't notice it until it was pointed out. But I think we've all picked up on Savil, right? *grins* I don't think we'll see many companions who were heralds in this one, but we might see some heralds who will be companions in the books that take place later.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 22, 2008, 12:36:56 pm
Zealith, did you notice the name of the King's Own's Companion?  :o

I wonder how many go through cycles of being both more than once?  I still want to see Taver again after/before he showed up in the Storms trilogy.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Avarel on December 22, 2008, 02:35:51 pm
I actually liked Kellen in obsidian trilogy. probably bcs I find myself missing the obvious so often. I also liked the way that the wild magic worked. I wanted more information about that myself.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: ArtAngel on December 23, 2008, 06:38:24 pm
Avarel- I enjoyed the Obsidian Trilogy too. Have you read the next series yet? It's set in the same world something like 1000 years later. It's not too bad, but does not have the detail of the first trilogy. Although only the first and second books are out so far. One of the names is The Pheonix Unchained, I don't remember the other.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: OTenshi on December 23, 2008, 06:57:34 pm
Patti, unless I'm making this out of whole cloth, I seem to remember her saying in one of the books (Arrows Flight I think) that ALL of the Monarch's Own are Grove born stallions named Rolan.  It always implied to me that it's either the same spirit, or part of a diety that takes that possition every time.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: ArtAngel on December 23, 2008, 06:59:13 pm
Patti, unless I'm making this out of whole cloth, I seem to remember her saying in one of the books (Arrows Flight I think) that ALL of the Monarch's Own are Grove born stallions named Rolan.  It always implied to me that it's either the same spirit, or part of a diety that takes that possition every time.

I think you may be right about that. That really sounds familiar but I could not tell you which book it came from.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 23, 2008, 09:58:54 pm
No, all Companions for Monarch's Own are Grove born Stallions, but not all with the same name.  Anybody remember the foofaraw when Selenay's father died, and the other Haralds had to hold the King's Own to life by sheer force until the next Grove Born (Rolan) could make his way from the Grove to the battlefield?  Come to think of it; wasn't his first Companion's name Taver?  And besides the fact that Tedric was very old, that 'otherworldy air' he had from nearly reaching The Havens was why the situation with baby Elspeth got so far out of hand.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: gryphon340 on December 23, 2008, 10:13:46 pm
Just grove born, I think there's a grove born Mare
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 23, 2008, 10:42:25 pm
Okay, originally, in about the first 3 or 4 generations, all Companions were Grove Born.  When mares started foaling, it slipped over to only the MO's C.  Then, when Elspeth reached the point of being ready to go to Herald training, Gwena was Grove Born, because she was destined to be the first Herald Mage in 400 years.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: OTenshi on December 23, 2008, 11:09:25 pm
Yah, that sounds right.  I can't remember real people's names to save me, so I really wasn't sure about the Companion's names.   I did remember about why Gwena was the first (non MO) that was Grove Born for ages, and that there were other instances of such, but they were exceedingly rare.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on December 28, 2008, 09:00:21 pm
In the guide, I can't remember its name, it stated there were 4 Monarch's Own Companions... they take turns coming back when one dies. If you pay attention, you'll notice in The LHM trilogy, it is Trever, in Brightly Burning it is Rolan, then there is the jump to Seleney's father's reign with Trever again with Rolan coming back right after that.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 28, 2008, 09:26:59 pm
The Valdemar Concordiance?  (they wouldn't have called it a companion for THAT world!)  I'll have to look it up.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Avarel on December 28, 2008, 10:08:38 pm
In the guide, I can't remember its name, it stated there were 4 Monarch's Own Companions... they take turns coming back when one dies. If you pay attention, you'll notice in The LHM trilogy, it is Trever, in Brightly Burning it is Rolan, then there is the jump to Seleney's father's reign with Trever again with Rolan coming back right after that.

4. I wonder who  the  other 2 are. What makes a Monarch's Own so different from the others, other than grove born I mean. They were never human?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 28, 2008, 10:21:18 pm
Yup.

Oh, and they're 'higher ranked' as - angels, or whatever you want to call them - than 'ordinary' Companions are.  See the difference Darkwind and what's his name - Quintan, the mage who took over Bolthaven - saw between Gwena and Cymry.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Avarel on December 28, 2008, 10:34:07 pm
Ohh. I forgot about that. Gwena was brighter than Cymry or something. Quentin I think?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 28, 2008, 11:13:09 pm
Yes, that's how he saw them.  I don't know which variation it was, but you're likely right.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Avarel on December 28, 2008, 11:18:23 pm
wasn't he the same mage that Kerowyn's Uncle sent her in By the Sword?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 28, 2008, 11:28:46 pm
Yes, and traveled through Hardorn instead with Darren when the vrondi drove them out of Valdemar..
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on December 29, 2008, 10:15:48 pm
I think the title was something vaguely corny, like Companion to Valdemar... *goes to look it up* http://www.amazon.com/Valdemar-Companion-John-Helfers/dp/0756403901/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230617616&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Valdemar-Companion-John-Helfers/dp/0756403901/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230617616&sr=1-1), I was close The Valdemar Companion. I think the main differences between normal companions and The monarchs own companion is that they're grove born (with all that means), they don't age or die when their chosen do, and there are four that cycle through.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: OTenshi on December 30, 2008, 02:34:40 pm
Four that cycle through?  What, they rock-paper-siscors for it?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Ellyll on December 30, 2008, 06:23:36 pm
 ;D ;D ;D

* laughing at the visual of four companions doing rock, paper, scissors with their hooves *
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on December 31, 2008, 11:07:16 pm
Following the tradition of stallions everywhere, they may just beat each other bloody. :D
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 31, 2008, 11:09:26 pm
Please.  They're Companions!  Debate each other into the ground, maybe.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on December 31, 2008, 11:15:16 pm
*nods* Or they may just take it in turns.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 31, 2008, 11:18:26 pm
That would be my guess. North, South, East, West.  Maiden, Warrior, Mother, Crone. Earth, Wind, Fire, Water.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: OTenshi on January 01, 2009, 10:00:35 pm
Cow, chicken, pig, fish.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on January 01, 2009, 10:03:46 pm
Um? 

Each of the quartets I mentioned is an aspect of nature in Lackey's Valdemar stories, and each aspect of the Goddess is linked to a quarter of the compass, probably with an element.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on January 01, 2009, 10:12:56 pm
And with a season. *nods*

What do you think about Talia becoming a priestess of Karse?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on January 01, 2009, 10:18:35 pm
It made sense.  I'd like to see more of that time frame, from when that was done, through her acting as such for the Karse envoy, and after, I really wonder what happened to him?  Did he and his engineer girlfriend get married?  Did he meet the returned Companion again?  How does he deal with the Iftel Gryphons & other creatures?  How do they get on with the FireCat?
Do you suppose that at some point Solaris will become the first female FireCat?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on January 01, 2009, 10:21:38 pm
That would rock my socks honestly. I want to see a female firecat. :P

Honestly, I feel a bit sorry for the characters in that timeline, they've all been put through so much. Let's torture some other charcters a bit. Though I do really want to see what happens with the hint that Karse's god, can't remember his name right now, had a female partner.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on January 01, 2009, 10:28:42 pm
I'm blanking on his name at the moment too.  Got it!  Vkandis, or some variation thereon.

Well, Foundation is the beginning of torturing some other characters, after all.

Say, did you read the story about the village priest who was more or less tricked by a FireCat into going to Sunhame and becoming the next Son of the Sun?  Do you suppose he ever has/will become a FireCat himself?  Wouldn't that be a kicker?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on January 01, 2009, 10:38:40 pm
Yeah I read that one. I loved it, I liked how the firecat first appeared as a normal cat and then kept getting bigger. :P
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on January 01, 2009, 10:43:10 pm
Yeah I read that one. I loved it, I liked how the firecat first appeared as a normal cat and then kept getting bigger. :P

:P ?  But yeah.
Okay, it's quieted down in here; I think I'll log off & watch my flick.  See you later, Zealith.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on January 01, 2009, 10:46:10 pm
I have the habit of sticking my tongue out when amused, I do it online too.

See you later then.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Tambayo on January 09, 2009, 02:12:45 pm
That would rock my socks honestly. I want to see a female firecat. :P

Honestly, I feel a bit sorry for the characters in that timeline, they've all been put through so much. Let's torture some other charcters a bit. Though I do really want to see what happens with the hint that Karse's god, can't remember his name right now, had a female partner.
I wondered if the female partner of Vykandis isn't the Shin'a'in goddess as well? It would explain why the Karsites see so little of her, and why the Shin'a'in god seems to be in the background as well.

(just my wild speculation)
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on January 09, 2009, 03:31:16 pm
The Shin'a'in have male counterpoints of the 4 part goddess, but they're not called on as often for whatever reason.
There's a song on one of the companion albums that recites their names & attributes.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on January 09, 2009, 03:49:38 pm
Yeah, I have the album. One of the reasons we see more of the Star Eye'd then her counterpoint may simply be that Mercedes Lackey first wrote the goddess in there because of Tarma and never felt the need to expand upon the god.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Talyn on April 13, 2009, 11:04:26 am
I just finished Foundation, a very enjoyable book. If this is a series, when is the next book coming out?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on April 13, 2009, 11:12:17 am
It sure has the hallmarks of it, Talyn.  And the subtitle IS "The Collegium Chronicles"  I haven't looked anywhere to see publication dates for it, or title, though. 

Hey, is it time for spoiler tags?  Or, with this having been out since good lord, October, do we need to bother?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on April 13, 2009, 05:06:15 pm
Probably not. I imagine most libraries have it by now.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on April 13, 2009, 07:19:55 pm
Okay, who else is seeing Mags as a lost prince?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on April 13, 2009, 07:52:28 pm
*laughes* DIdn't think of it until you said it, but it would totally fit into the fairytail story line.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on April 13, 2009, 07:56:44 pm
Well, the whole "found in the bandit camp, told forever that he's bad blood, has noble instincts, crazy assassin says something to the effect of 'you're not supposed to be here' as though he recognizes him,' yeah, it's kind of telegraphed, to me.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on April 13, 2009, 08:20:22 pm
I figured he had to be the son of some one important. I was actually thinking a bandit lord or something.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on April 13, 2009, 08:37:53 pm
Possible, but not what I'd expect from this author.

You sure can see him planting the seeds of the Collegium process of turning out self sufficient little Heralds, though, can't you?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: e_booklover on April 14, 2009, 08:21:56 am
I think Mags has a lot to do with the process they put Heralds thru "now".  I am not sure about a long lost prince but I do think he was stolen from his family.  I am curious to see what direction she is going with this.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Talyn on April 14, 2009, 10:44:26 am
Mags is a very interesting character, that and his speech style just reminds of a quaint little English kid.

I don't think he is a lost Prince, but he probably isn't what he thinks he is though. I am thinking he might be noble or from a rich merchant house.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on April 14, 2009, 01:26:48 pm
Some one important's son apparently. XD I've enjoyed it so far, not as much as The Arrows trilogy, or the Last Herald Mage trilogy, but it's interesting.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on April 14, 2009, 08:48:41 pm
There's only one so far, the following volumes could be way more interesting, or, given that we're pretty 'up' on how Haralds are trained, and the changes in the process, from before & after, we may be a bit bored.  I think she's going to have to lift it out of the Collegeium surroundings to really wake us up.  And, given that it's volume one OF "The Collegium Chronicles", I don't think that's going to be the case - unless Mags becomes staff of the place in a way that we haven't seen before.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: berryblu on April 14, 2009, 11:20:16 pm
I have a feeling that this series will follow Mags during his Grays and that's why it is called the Collegium Chronicles.  As such, the books will show how it develops.  However, I'm sure that it will go out into Haven and politics and even out to Blueflower Hill and Cole Pieter's mine - possibly even out of Valdemar to whatever country from which those mercenaries and "merchant princes" came.  Since that assassin recognized Mags, his family was (or is!) probably from there.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: e_booklover on April 16, 2009, 08:33:25 am
... Since that assassin recognized Mags, his family was (or is!) probably from there.

Ooh I forgot about that.  Must re-read :)
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on April 16, 2009, 05:38:38 pm
I'm also thinking about those recurring dreams of being chased and or hunting for something important.  I wonder if he's the brother or cousin of the actual heir to something big, and was charged with looking out for her or him.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: ArtAngel on April 16, 2009, 07:07:21 pm
Hmmm. Sounds like I need to pick this book up soon. It sounds interesting.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: berryblu on April 16, 2009, 07:16:56 pm
 :)  Since Mags was only a baby when the bandits were killed and he was given to Cole Pieters, I doubt that he was charged with care for anyone.  I do have a feeling that his dreams may mean that someone was searching for him.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on April 16, 2009, 07:28:42 pm
Yes, but given that the dreams are enough to wake him in a sweat of fear, is that a good thing?
Also, she's on this spy kick lately.  She's made Albreicht (I know, I'm not spelling his name right) into one, she's had other stuff about that in the Valdemar stuff, now she's turning Mags into one.

I wonder how soon he's going to start getting interested in sex, too.  And which it'll be.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on April 16, 2009, 08:54:10 pm
I loved Alberitch(no clue on spelling either) as a spy. It was rocking.

I also look foreward to Mags being a spy. ^_^ It'll be interesting.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on April 16, 2009, 09:10:09 pm
I had another thought.  We know, although most of Valdemar, even among Heralds, don't realize it, that you never have only one Gift.  Only one may be strong, but there are always at least traces of more.  Besides his strong Thought Hearing/Mindspeech, what else does Mags have?  Sounds like maybe truth sensing, but is that a separate Gift, or -  is he an Empath as well, and in training for next Monarch's Own?  Given his link to Dallen, who I like very much, I don't think so, but what else is in him?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on April 16, 2009, 10:00:05 pm
Well, we know it isn't mage craft (well it could be, but he can't get training in it), so:
firestarting
animal mindspeech
luck (reveiled in the last collection of short stories)
farsight, farseeking (can't remember exactly what its called >_<)
Fetching
foresight

Those are the only ones I could think of off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on April 16, 2009, 10:06:17 pm
He could have (probably doesn't, but could, remembering Vanyel) some Healing or Bardic Gift.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on April 17, 2009, 07:18:16 am
Now why did I forget those two?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on April 17, 2009, 07:53:42 am
Because they're not typically Heraldic gifts.  They have their own Collegia.  She hasn't written much about the folks studying/living there, with those as their focus.  It's all about the Heralds, baby.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on April 17, 2009, 08:08:19 am
True, true. lol. I'm thinking we can rule out luck, his childhood wasn't that lucky. He doesn't seem to be an animal lover, so animal mindspeech is probably out too. Firestarting is pretty rare, and she's already done one book focused on a firestarter. Mybe fetching or farsight?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on April 17, 2009, 08:27:50 am
I doubt the other gift is going to be the main thing, but it might make a sub-plot, or an interesting twist on how he uses the Mindspeech.  Remember the guy from "Oathbound", the bandit, who had the gift to make you look at him and think you were seeing someone else?  What if it's something like that?  Now, THAT would be a great gift for a spy!
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on April 17, 2009, 08:46:50 am
True! I'd forgotten about that. That would be interesting to see again.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: ppbwashu on April 17, 2009, 09:02:47 am
I just noticed this thread, which is a nice coincidence since I started rereading Valdemar books during my convalescence.  I think this latest series is going to be more focused on the political climate rather than delving into more esoteric Gifts.  One of the things I like about Misty Lackey's Valdemar stuff is that she keeps trying to find ways to keep it fresh.  I think she's going to have a tough go of it with this series, though, because the first book seemed to retread territory covered in the Alberich and Skif novels.  Hopefully I'm wrong, and it will surprise me in the next book!
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on April 17, 2009, 06:28:02 pm
I'm - in re-reading - also not as thrilled with this as I could be.  There's a heck of a lot of wordage spent on the "I'm getting all I want to eat, I'm warm and not dirty" stuff.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Temari on May 03, 2009, 11:20:36 am
I've just been reading Moving Targets and Other Tales of Valdemar. I've also read a couple of her other new books in the last year - and re-read some of the older ones too. What I feel is that her recent writing seems to be quite poor compared to her earlier books. In Reserved for the Cat, it felt like she'd written some nice scenes, but then not taken the time to tie them together. In Moving Targets, I just felt that again that the tale was rattled off without much attention. I enjoyed the other stories by different authors more, whereas in the previous books of Valdemar short stories I'd enjoyed hers as much or more than the others.

I wondered if I'd just changed my tastes in reading, but I still love some of her older stuff. Perhaps she is writing too much too quickly?

I wondered if anyone had any other thoughts on this?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on May 03, 2009, 11:28:59 am
I've noticed that too.  :-\ I still love her books, but they aren't as good as the ones she wrote ealier.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on May 03, 2009, 12:34:20 pm
She's trying to do too much, I suspect.  She's got Valdemar, the 500 kingdoms, the elemental masters, the SERRAted edge, the Phoenix/whatever things in Victorian elven stuff, the Lion stuff, and she's supposed to be working on another Karres novel, plus the parrots, the raptor rehab, the filking, and the costume design.  Not getting enough attention to any one thing, I suspect.  And is she working on the Alta/dragons in Egyptian type land thing any more?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on May 03, 2009, 02:35:17 pm
I'm pretty sure she's done with Alta. Those were good ones too. I think you're right Patti.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: charmed on May 03, 2009, 02:37:01 pm
There haven't been any new SERRAted Edge books that I'm aware of for several years. I do agree that her quality has gone down. I haven't bought one of her books in a couple years.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Midangel on May 03, 2009, 03:00:19 pm
There haven't been any new SERRAted Edge books that I'm aware of for several years. I do agree that her quality has gone down. I haven't bought one of her books in a couple years.

Ditto. The last set of books I bought were The Elemental series, and they weren't the best. Ok, but not great.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Temari on May 04, 2009, 01:16:23 pm
It is a shame. I used to buy most things that she published, but I've totally stopped buying anything now. Still, at least I still have a full crate of her old books to keep me happy!
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on May 04, 2009, 07:09:28 pm
Just keep checking the thread/library; she might finish current contracts & draw a line; "This much and no more", and go back to form.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Temari on May 05, 2009, 07:04:54 am
Hope so.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Talyn on June 06, 2009, 11:45:20 pm
I recently got One Good Knight by Mercedes Lackey. It is set in her 500 Kingdoms World. I very much enjoyed this book! Good storyline, good characters and some good inversions of usual stereotypes.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: ArtAngel on July 23, 2009, 11:16:15 pm
So I finally picked up "Foundation" and it rocks! I love it and really wish that I hadn't been an impoverished student when I read her Valdemar books. Now I have to buy them to reread them and there is always something else I want to buy first :-'
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on July 23, 2009, 11:21:30 pm
Used book stores/garage-yard sales.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: ArtAngel on July 23, 2009, 11:28:52 pm
Unfortunately I live utterly in the middle of nowhere and very few people here read "that sci-fi stuff"  ???
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on July 23, 2009, 11:35:17 pm
Check online for used copies?  Somebody might even be selling (some of) them off in a batch.

I finally saw "Snow Queen" in paperback today.  I don't think I'll buy it, though.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: ArtAngel on July 23, 2009, 11:37:30 pm
I'm checking www.abebooks.com right now, so we'll see.

I haven't read Snow Queen. Is it good?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on July 23, 2009, 11:39:40 pm
I haven't read it yet, can't tell you.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on July 25, 2009, 04:36:01 pm
It was alright, not as good as Fortunes Fool or  the first one (can't remember the name :-[) in my opinion.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: charmed on August 17, 2009, 09:28:28 pm
She has a book coming out in October called Gwenhyfar:The White Spirit (A Novel of King Arthur). It's a hardcover, and that is all that I know. :D
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: ArtAngel on August 18, 2009, 03:43:29 pm
I saw that but I'm not sure if I'll get it or not.
I just finsihed the Owl trilogy and amd starting the Exile one. The first Exile book (Honor or Valor? I always get them mixed up) makes me bawl my eyes out.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: e_booklover on August 18, 2009, 06:48:27 pm
I really like those two books.  I don't know if I will get the King Authur one.  I don't usually like those books.  My one exception so far was The Dark is Rising series.  I didn't know it was Authurian until towards the end of the last book. 

I was talking Cinderella tales with Patti last night and it made me want to dig through my boxes to find my copy of The Fairy Godmother.  I really enjoy re-reading that one.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Janilee on August 20, 2009, 09:22:13 am
Changing the World and Other Tales of Valdemar is due out in January. She is working on two more books in the Heirs of Alexandria series. And she is starting a new serieswith Rosemary Edghill. Shadow Hunt is the first book in the Shadow Grail series. All to look forward to.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: e_booklover on August 20, 2009, 06:04:05 pm
I am looking forward to those.  It has been too long since the last Heirs of Alexandria book came out.  Thanks for the info :D
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Janilee on August 21, 2009, 09:00:42 am
You are welcome. I love looking for future books.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: ArtAngel on August 23, 2009, 11:09:22 pm
I just finished To Take a Thief. I wish there were more books with Skif as the main hero, he is one of my favorite characters!
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Talyn on September 28, 2009, 08:12:01 pm
I just picked up the last book in the Enduring Flame trilogy today, The Phoenix Transformed. I am really liking it so far.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: ladylynx on September 29, 2009, 03:40:20 am
The problem with Mercedes Lackey is her Valdemar world is starting to get boring after so many books and the few series she did have that were doing well died off. The Diana Tregarde Investigation series was doing well and she let it die off. It had real potential. I think even Ms. Briggs could takes the series over and give it a new breath of life.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: gryphon340 on September 29, 2009, 05:25:12 am
Yes but on Tregarde was bringing too many scarcey people after her.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Avarel on September 29, 2009, 12:23:18 pm
stalkers trying to steal her magic type people

I think if she revived it Now, she might not have that problem, with all the stories of magicians, witches etc. around.

then again, she might.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on September 29, 2009, 07:11:16 pm
What I read a while ago was that the Diana Tregarde series/world was dropped because people were taking them as 'how to' manuals for dark magic.
Then she had the idea of tying them to her "SERRAted Edge" stories of elves, so that people would be forced to understand, "IT'S FICTION, DIPSTICKS" so she may write more of them, but she's working around the edge with the Eric Banyon ones for now.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: ArtAngel on September 29, 2009, 07:14:41 pm
Wow! I hadn't known all the crazy reasons why she quit writing them!
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on September 29, 2009, 07:24:09 pm
I wish she'd write more of them. *sigh* Only vampire character I really thought was hot. :-LOVE
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: ladylynx on September 29, 2009, 07:37:47 pm
I think Patricia Briggs could do them real justice. They are really good novels and the main character is some thing I could see in her world. Maybe Ms. Lackey would trade or give her permission for another author to write them. I know she is very protective of the Valdemar series. That's her baby right there. You need permission from the fan club to even write any fan fiction for that universe.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on September 29, 2009, 07:49:47 pm
Bah. You can write until your finger fall off.  Sharing it will get you smacked, though.
And I don't think Our Hostess wants to write in someone else's world.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Jazzlet on September 30, 2009, 11:59:25 am
Why on earth would our hostess want to write in someone elses world when she has enough books lined up in her own worlds to take her half way through the next decade ???
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: ladylynx on September 30, 2009, 12:46:41 pm
I'm just saying that. The series could continue with her. I think and feel that Patricia Briggs does an excellent job with the characters she has and the series she writes. The Diana Tregarde series would fit nicely in Ms. Briggs world with little or no modification to the characters at all. I just feel it's a waste to let some thing so good go by the way side.

 I rarely say things of this nature about a series or author.

Ms. Lackey was a protege of Ms. Zimmer Bradley and even her stuff now is being written by a ghost writer because of the demand of her fans.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Midangel on September 30, 2009, 02:46:09 pm
I think Patricia Briggs could do them real justice. They are really good novels and the main character is some thing I could see in her world. Maybe Ms. Lackey would trade or give her permission for another author to write them. I know she is very protective of the Valdemar series. That's her baby right there. You need permission from the fan club to even write any fan fiction for that universe.

Umm, I doubt ANY author would let another author write about their world and characters, in the sense that the other author could do a better job. One, it's rude and two, it's just not done.



Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: ladylynx on September 30, 2009, 03:14:16 pm
You might be right, but it was just a suggestion. Like Is aid before. I hated seeing the series disappeared because it had potential.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: gryphon340 on September 30, 2009, 03:30:20 pm
It had go away for her safety.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on September 30, 2009, 03:33:40 pm
The wrong time, it might be better accepted now with all the other urban fantasy and paranormal romance out there, but I wouldn't be suprised if she never picked it up again.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on March 31, 2010, 12:40:57 am
Picked up the "Changing the World and other tales of Valdemar" anthology today.
Interestingly, there's a story there that contravenes the "founding" story that Talia learned in the first book; there it indicated that the establishment of quantities of Companions took decades; the impression was that the first King was near the end of his life when he called forth the first three companions, and that there were no more for years after that, or only one or two a year; this story has a dozen or more showing up between the first winter and the second.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on April 01, 2010, 12:19:44 pm
Interesting, I'll definately have to check that one out.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on July 12, 2010, 10:26:12 pm
Just read the latest in the 500 Kindom series, Sleeping Beauty. I think it's better than the first in the series.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: abrandy on August 07, 2010, 04:01:43 pm
absolutly love her books.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: charmed on November 09, 2010, 04:02:04 pm
She has a new book out; it contains 3 novellas including an origin story for Diana Tregarde. Here she explains a bit how the book came about: click (http://torforge.wordpress.com/2010/11/08/turn-on-the-wayback-machine/)

The book is called "Trio of Sorcery", pubbed by Tor, and is out sometime this month.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Jabulani on December 08, 2010, 08:26:01 am
Midangel, you should go read David Weber's Honorverse novels & Eric Flint's 1632 universe novels. Both have allowed other authors to write novels and short stories about their own universes - sometimes in collaboration, but other times completely independently.

Not saying that Ms Briggs should do it or would want to, just that your statement is not quite right.  ;)

Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Jabulani on December 08, 2010, 08:39:07 am
Okay, now for my favourite Lackey novels! I love 'em all! I love the world she has created, and have done so ever since I first read the Last Herald-Mage series about 15 years ago. Gosh, are they really THAT old? I have all her Valdemar universe novels, and often will pig out on a re-reading marathon. I'm soooo in love with Darian, it's just not true. Not so much Vanyel, though, or Firesong, for that matter. Andesha is also a cool character, as are Elspeth and whatsisname, the former child thief. And who couldn't love Skandranon and Amberdrake? Or the gryphlets?

Oh, and I just bought Foundation, about Mags' early years as a child-slave & his first year as a Herald trainee.

Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Janilee on December 08, 2010, 08:40:25 am
The books are older than that. I read them more than twenty years ago and they were second hand copies.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 08, 2010, 09:46:27 am
Copyright dates tell the tale.  Like Our Hostess' work, though, I've been picking them up since they started showing up.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Eccentric_Rose on December 12, 2010, 06:43:16 pm
     I  am reading the Phoenix Endangered by Mercedes and James Mallory! I love it !!!!
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Eccentric_Rose on January 03, 2011, 05:37:44 pm
      I just read the last book to the series. It ended different then I had expected but I still love it.  bOuNcY bOuNcY bOuNcY
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Cerulean on April 12, 2011, 11:17:20 am
I just saw that she has a new book out in the Elemental Master series:

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Richard Whitestone is an Elemental Earth Master. Blaming himself for the death of his beloved wife in childbirth, he has sworn never to set eyes on his daughter, Suzanne. But when he finally sees her, a dark plan takes shape in his twisted mind-to use his daughter's body to bring back the spirit of his long-dead wife.

Since these are all based on fairy tales, which one is this, do you think?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: ElefiNecol on April 12, 2011, 11:29:37 am
I think it might be based on a Scottish tale, The King Who Wished to Marry His Daughter.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Cerulean on April 12, 2011, 01:03:13 pm
Okay, that's both creepy and cool. Creepy because, well, look at the title. And cool because it is a great example of the shared myths across cultures and time as described by Joseph Campbell b/c googling it revealed the theme of "marry the person who fit the clothing/shoes." This also reminds me somewhat of Robin McKinley's Deerskin (http://www.robinmckinley.com/books/#deerskin), which is definitely creepy. They look like they're based off of the same myth.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: ElefiNecol on April 12, 2011, 01:10:05 pm
One of the reasons I was obsessed with mythology growing up. :)  I had forgotten about Deerskin... Of course, most of those tales are truly creepy in origin.  Btw, thanks for pointing out the new book.  It's one of the few series of hers that I still read.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: charmed on April 12, 2011, 04:18:10 pm
My first thought was the myth was used for "Deerskin". I may skip this one until I hear what others have to say. That story always creeped me out.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on April 12, 2011, 07:51:53 pm
The father & mother did, poor Princess whatzit was  a good kid, as was the prince who sent her the puppy.

I have not kept up on the Elemental Masters... I don't really enjoy her Victorian era takes on the fairy tales much, or haven't except "Fire Rose" and er, what was the "Sleeping Beauty" one with the half Hindu doctor?  They were okay, but the ones since then don't do anything for me.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on April 12, 2011, 08:29:30 pm
The Serpants Shadow is the one you're refering to, I believe.

The only ones I didn't really like in this series was the Wizard on London one and the Gates of Sleep. I don't believe I'm familiar with the fairy tale she's using this time, so I'll probably only read it if my library buys it. I am looking forward to Beauty and the Werewolf, the next 500 Kingdoms book. I've found this series is very hit and miss for me, but I love werewolves, and the Beauty and the Beast story, so this is definately on my to be read list for this fall.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Cerulean on April 13, 2011, 08:36:33 am
The Serpent's Shadow (my favorite of the series) = Snow White and the Seven Dwarves
Fire Rose = Beauty and the Beast
The Gates of Sleep = Sleeping Beauty
Phoenix and Ashes = Cinderella (another favorite of mine)
The Wizard of London  = The Snow Queen (meh)
Reserved for the Cat = Puss in Boots
And now Unnatural Issue = The King who Wished to Marry his Daughter
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Janilee on April 13, 2011, 08:41:03 am
I enjoyed Reserved for the Cat. I sort of felt it had a sequelish feel.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on April 13, 2011, 11:45:28 am
I enjoyed Reserved for the Cat. I sort of felt it had a sequelish feel.

Sequel to what?  Or do you mean "like something that could produce a sequel"?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Janilee on April 13, 2011, 12:05:46 pm
Something that could produce a sequel. LOL
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Janilee on May 04, 2011, 10:21:02 am
I just finished Legacies: A Shadow Grail Novel by Mercedes Lackey and Rosemary Edghill. Now I read this book just after I read Dark Mirror by M.J. Putney. DM is also about a boarding school for magicians. I'm trying not to compare them here.

Legacies has in internal darkness. Their parents have all died. Many in what appear to be strange circumstances. All the adults that care for the students appear not to be trustworthy. The school is facing an attack and the administration is telling everyone not to gossip about disappearing students.

Three student who've been at the school and two who have just joined, Spirit the narrator has just arrived, try to fix what is wrong with the school.


I like the story, but find the situation a bit unreal. (And as a reader of speculative fiction that's saying something.) The amount of social pressure put on the students by the faculty is far too great for there not to be mental cracks showing. The character depth is not what I'm accustomed to from either Lackey or Edghill. I think they've made a start. I hope they fix what I perceive to be problems.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Mouse on May 04, 2011, 10:29:46 am
I have to say, having read Legacies, I didn't feel it really matched up to the quality of books I'm used to reading by these authors. I found it very shallow and predictable.
I really hope the sequel is better.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Janilee on May 04, 2011, 10:31:55 am
That is not unlike how I feel. :)
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Temari on May 13, 2011, 05:32:45 am
I enjoyed Reserved for the Cat. I sort of felt it had a sequelish feel.
This one was my least favourite. I felt it had some good ideas, but the writing was very poor. A lot of the plot lines led absolutely nowhere - it was like she'd had some ideas but hadn't the time to put them together properly.

I really liked Fire Rose and Serpent's Shadow. I think these were the first she wrote, which would make sense as most of her older books are far better than the recent ones.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on May 16, 2011, 10:06:44 am
I'm disappointed by the latest "shared" collection from Valdemar; there's one story with a gal being chosen who - well, I'm blowed if I can figure out how somebody that selfish did get chosen.  The two about Ree & his adopted/married into family are good, but that's what I expect of Sarah Hoyt & Kate Paulk.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on May 16, 2011, 01:37:15 pm
I'm glad there's more about Rhee and his family. I'll have to look into it, even if you say the other stories weren't as good.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on May 16, 2011, 06:19:49 pm
Honestly, there were at least 2 I didn't finish.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on May 16, 2011, 08:02:33 pm
Sounds like I should wait for the libarary to buy it then, rather than getting it myself. Thanks for the warning.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Janilee on July 16, 2011, 05:01:00 am
Finished Conspiracies A Shadow Grail Novel by Mercedes Lackey and Rosemary Edghill. I enjoy both of these authors. Both write well with other people. They just haven't made these characters very real for me. The concept of the story is interesting. The are fighting the good vs evil battle initiated by King Arthur and co. Someone has finally released Mordred so he can be reincarnated and continue the fight. One of the characters has been the reincarnated Isolde. Five orphaned wizards are beginning to understand their boarding school/orphanage is one of the battlegrounds of this fight.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Cerulean on July 18, 2011, 04:53:38 pm
I read Unnatural Issue and liked it. I was surpirsed because I wasn't really prepared to like it. But I liked how Lackey transitioned from a rural country magical scene to a more modern age.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on September 02, 2011, 11:00:34 pm
http://www.redwombatstudio.com/wpg2?g2_itemId=1101
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Varg on September 03, 2011, 02:57:43 am
LOL
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Mouse on September 03, 2011, 05:54:55 am
have to say, i knew about it already, being gay myself...
but between her books and diane duane's 'door into' series, it made me feel an awful lot better about it.

just finished 'conspiracies', the new book in the 'shadow grail' series. it was better than 'legacies' but still not some of her best work.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Eccentric_Rose on September 16, 2011, 08:55:55 am
I just read the The Obsidian Mountain Trilogy. I devoured the books and it killed me when I wasn't able to read the third book for a bit because I had my tonsils taken out. I read the Enduring Flame trilogy already so I read the wrong series first since they are connected...but oh, well. I only knew a few things like who lives onto the next series. Well, guess Idalia did die but she did become reborn or something...

I  :-LOVE the books and the names in the series were pretty cool. Idalia, Kellen,Jermayen, Ancalader, Vestakia, Shalkan......*Note..I probably spelled a few of the names wrong.  :D* I also liked a cover of the second book the most.

Has james mallory and mercedes lackey written anymore books together?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Mouse on September 17, 2011, 02:35:16 am
just those 6 so far, but i think they are working on another series.

i love those books too, and the audiobook versions are great too.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Eccentric_Rose on December 06, 2011, 11:07:45 pm
I cried when Idalia died. Or more like I balled my freak!n eyes out.

Does Idalia remember in her next life what happened to her or do they have to tell her?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on December 07, 2011, 09:36:22 pm
If I had the money I would totally try and win this:

http://magick4terri.livejournal.com/66666.html (http://magick4terri.livejournal.com/66666.html)

It's a chance to make an appearance as a trainee in the next Valdemar book. But the bidding is already up to $250. *sigh*
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 07, 2011, 09:44:25 pm
She's going to 4 volumes for Mags?  Wow, that's unusual.
Tuckerization, that's cool.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on December 07, 2011, 10:11:50 pm
I haven't even read the second one if that series yet. *blush* I'll do it eventually.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 08, 2011, 12:02:29 am
No more have I; a goal to be achieved by year's end, eh?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Eccentric_Rose on December 11, 2011, 10:59:35 am
I was reading the comments on this thread and there were a few people that hated the Obsidion series or didn't get into it. I think it is one of those books that it really depends on the persons personality or mood. I read it and now it is crammed in with my other three top favorite series. On the other hand Fizz read the first book and barely got through the second. Now she hasn'r  even read the third. ( Though I do reccomend if you only read the first chapter or two it gets better and more interesting, I promise.  :) )

To me, I wouldn't know why you would hit Kellen over the head with a brick or a two by four. Though I do underrstand why Idalia might have wanted to once or twice. I mean, they are brother and sister. I have had the thought of throwing one at my brother pop into my head.  :P :-whistle Idalia does not think he is a idiot though.

  In a way, neither do I. I see him as a teenager who has a heavy responsibility laid on his shoulders and he is doing the best he can to deal with it without loosing more lives than possible. Of course he has a few mistakes here and there. If he was perfect, wouldn't the book be worse for you? I like the idea that even though his magic gives him bodily perfection for fighting he still makes mistakes and has some humanity.

Another charactor I liked was Jermayen. He was totally awesome which makes the second series so sad.....

Vestakia was cool. I loved the way she was brought into the book. she has a pretty cool gift, (or would it be curse?  ??? )
Cilarnen was another person who I liked how he was brought into the book and why.

And of course his unicorn.  :D I love magical creatures with a sence of humor and a sweet tooth.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: ArtAngel on December 13, 2011, 06:43:17 am
I've been reading the 500 Kingdoms series. I hadn't realized how many books there were!
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on December 13, 2011, 10:18:54 am
You made me want to go see if I could remember them all. Looks like the 6th one is out now. I was looking forward to it, will have to look for it at the library when I go home. The next elemental master one looks interesting too. I always liked the east of the sun and west of the moon story. Probably because it is one of the less common ones.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: ArtAngel on December 13, 2011, 09:43:08 pm
I quite enjoyed the sixth one. I figured out who the bad guy was really early but it was still fun.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 13, 2011, 09:46:29 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7Fi3zREmd4
Just linked this so E_Rose could play it for Fizz.  I'm re-reading the book where the lyrics are at the end of the book now, in fact.  Going through all her Valdemar books that I've got now.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: ArtAngel on December 13, 2011, 09:47:50 pm
I'll have to look at it at home  :D
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 13, 2011, 09:50:25 pm
I really enjoy the albums of her music that I've got.  I'm mostly liking what I'm finding on youtube too, to listen to.  I'm just worried that they're copyright infringement/pirate stuff that's not paying the creators.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on December 14, 2011, 09:20:51 am
I enjoy all the songs on the two albums I have too. And I like the fact some of her music is on youtube. Without it, I wouldn't have known that I would enjoy her CDs. I generally don't buy music unless it's very cheap or I know I already like at least two songs.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 14, 2011, 10:50:38 pm
I just started a re-read of "By the Sword" and it occurs to me that there was a sub-plot at the beginning about Dierna's uncle, Reichart, that never played out.  Annoying loose end.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 15, 2011, 04:06:01 pm
I'm also beginning to wonder how it's going to play out when non-human Heralds are Chosen.

Imagine a dyheli Herald.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Janilee on December 15, 2011, 04:07:33 pm
A very interesting idea!  :)
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 15, 2011, 04:12:52 pm
Well, consider; like Selenay said in "Arrow's Fall", Valdemar's not the land, it's the people - herd, right?  And bearing in mind what Rolan & Gwena did to Talia & Elspeth in "Flight", they clearly believe in lying for your own good, like dyheli, so...
Considering the song "Gervase the Lizard Wizard," and what we know about how hertasi feel about 'care for the group', you could get a new Herald Mage Hertasi even, at some point.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Janilee on December 15, 2011, 04:15:01 pm
All possibilities.

She does appear to be more interested in the "beginnings" than "modern" story lines at the moment. Who knows where she could take it.  :)
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 15, 2011, 04:23:38 pm
It's a little like the Pern series in that; the END OF THE WORLD has been averted; what do you do now?  Go to Disneyland?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on December 15, 2011, 09:28:02 pm
Exactly.  LOL I would be interested in seeing that happen. Mostly I've enjoyed her Valdemar books that took place before the 'modern' time period. But if she really wanted to do it, she could include it in the time period before the Magic trilogy. A decent amount of stuff involving magic was passed off as myth more than reality. And some myths are too absurd to accept. Or someone might do something like that for one of the anthologies. Man, now that I've thought about it I really want to see it.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 15, 2011, 09:30:48 pm
*buffs nails*  I'm really wondering where she thought she was going with that sub-plot in "By the Sword"; in re-reading it, I'm finding she spent an inordinate amount of time on it for something that went nowhere.

I'm still P.O.'ed at her that in 30 years she hasn't learned what "opaque" means; she keeps referring to "opaque" pieces of glass & what's seen through them.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on December 15, 2011, 09:56:02 pm
Figures of speech, even if wrong, are hard to change. Though that may be why I had difficulties figuring out what opaque means.

I can't remember that subplot. Probably because it does go no where. And I'm not in the mood to reread right now. I want to go to the library and check and see if they have her new 500 Kingdom one yet.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 15, 2011, 09:58:53 pm
I want to get caught up on the Collegium series.  I hadn't even realized the second one was out, I gather that the third one came out a week or so ago, & a fourth is planned.  For a change not a trilogy!
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on December 15, 2011, 10:05:21 pm
I wasn't particularly fond of the first book. Let me know how the second one goes for you. My sister read it and wasn't impressed. If you read it and like it I'll have to give it a go.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 15, 2011, 10:13:19 pm
I was irritated at the time, and more so since, how much verbiage she wasted on reiterating how Mags was warm, dry, fed, clothed, clean, etc., etc. and didn't understand other people complaining about smaller issues.
I re-read it recently, which I think I posted, and noticed some further plot holes that don't make me happy.  I'm hoping that some of them will be resolved in the other volumes, but... I don't actually anticipate it.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Jabulani on December 17, 2011, 04:59:48 pm
Okay, my favourite Lackey novels are most definitely those about Vanyel (although Stefan is a bit nelly), Elspeth (Winds & Storm trilogies), & Darian (Dar'i'an the Owl Knight)...oh, Skandranon & Amberdrake were awsome characters, also.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Jabulani on December 17, 2011, 05:02:48 pm
And I love what she's done with her elves in the race-car books...
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on December 17, 2011, 08:52:23 pm
I just read the first story in Trio of Socery. I love Di. <3 It just made me sad it was before she met Andre. He's my favorite vampire character.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 21, 2011, 09:21:02 pm
I found "Intrigues" the second volume about Mags at the library while my compooper was out of commission.  I can't say it answered any of the questions left dangling in the first one, but it does advance the story arc.  It mentions one or more of the unresolved issues, shows us another of the "recycled" or reincarnated Heralds from the "current/modern" period of Valdemar in that earlier era, and addresses the fact that the Healers had their problems with snobbery against those without the healing Gift per se.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on December 21, 2011, 09:23:00 pm
Hmm, I don't think healer's snobbery has been addressed before. That would be nice to see.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 21, 2011, 09:24:18 pm
Have you read the first volume of it, "Foundations"?  There's a beginning of it there.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on December 21, 2011, 09:32:44 pm
Yeah, but it was when it first came out. I don't remember that, but I guess at this point I mostly just remember the basics of it.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 21, 2011, 09:34:42 pm
That's normal.  I re-read, then went looking for v.2.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: gryphon340 on December 26, 2011, 04:55:35 pm
The Foundations seems/is weaker then the others.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 27, 2011, 03:18:41 pm
Well, it's not one of the "big event" periods, and she's kind of run out of new things to introduce, I suspect. 
In re-reading, I sure see how she writes emotion well, but has real issues with consistency of history & physical description.  She also is amazingly bad about using the same descriptive word twice in two consecutive sentences.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Eccentric_Rose on December 28, 2011, 01:15:22 pm
She also is amazingly bad about using the same descriptive word twice in two consecutive sentences.

Sounds like me.  LOL :-whistle
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 28, 2011, 02:28:21 pm
Which should give you hope for your future writing career, I guess.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Eccentric_Rose on December 28, 2011, 02:46:47 pm
Which should give you hope for your future writing career, I guess.

I guess it should.  ;D
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 28, 2011, 02:50:07 pm
Mind you, if I read things you publish with that kind of slop, I will hunt you down and set frogs on you.

I don't mind the doubles so much as the fact that she will write a series or trilogy, presumably one right after the other, so that it's more like one long novel broken into 3, and change her description of the same character in that one series!
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Eccentric_Rose on December 28, 2011, 02:53:40 pm
Mind you, if I read things you publish with that kind of slop, I will hunt you down and set frogs on you.

I don't mind the doubles so much as the fact that she will write a series or trilogy, presumably one right after the other, so that it's more like one long novel broken into 3, and change her description of the same character in that one series!

 LOL I guess I better behave then.  ;D

That would be a bit irritating. *nods*
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 29, 2011, 01:46:13 pm
Just saw another Valdemar anthology with other authors on the shelves at the drug store yesterday.  I've actually got it & "Changes" reserved for when they come in here.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on February 13, 2012, 09:20:57 am
After my recent re-reading & the new anthology & "Changes," a couple of thoughts wandered into my head.
Aren't there any other CITIES in Valdemar besides Haven?  I don't get the impression there are even any really good sized towns... strikes me as daft, as big as it is.  They've encompassed several other smaller kingdoms, principalities, and duchies over their history, so aren't at least some of those former capitol cities still in existence, and shouldn't they be thriving?

In the second of the "Collegium" books, when Mags goes down to the city & works as a potboy,  shouldn't he, as the type of person who is chosen as a Herald, be going back to find the smaller kid with the hunger problem, and getting a Healer to look at him?  I suspect he's got some kind of medical condition that makes him crave food the way he does.  He may be a 'throwaway' character, but it points up how selfish Mags is at base, unlike most Heralds, and how sloppy about her own criteria Ms. Lackey is.  I'm annoyed.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: gryphon340 on February 19, 2012, 09:12:01 am
At the time potboy beating in the Book "Intrigues". Mags had been sprialing depression, from the gossip of beening a Foriegner, semi-accused by the foreseers of killing/harming the king, his two best friends turning on him, and his Companion was heavy Sudated because of two borken fore Legs. When the Legs were broken they running the obstacle course at night when there was a mass mindgift attack, which everyone felt. Thus because of all pressure upon he ranaway. Also during his potboy time he was trying to get Dallen to repudiate him. On top of all that he didn't know who house he was in.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on February 19, 2012, 10:11:39 am
Gryphon, I read the book, I know the plot points, but first, "everybody" did not feel the attack that broke Dallen's forelegs, or Bear wouldn't have been pounding on Mags' room door, threatening to beat him to broken bones.  It was only later that there was another of those rages by The Temper that made everyone realize that Mags had not been solely responsible for what happened to Dallen, thank you very much.  And yes, he ran away so depressed he didn't know where he was. 
That doesn't mean he couldn't retrace his steps later to find the house.  Given his whole "training to be a spy" thing with the King's Own, he should have been able to narrow it down to start, then go ask questions in the neighborhood, among the servants, to find the house in question.  He hasn't done so.
I'll admit/agree that he's got a lot of other stuff on his plate, and he does sometimes procrastinate a bit.  Just as Bear complained about Mags not going to the K.O. about the way Bear's family was trying to drag him out of Haven & use him as bloodstock.  However, not one mention of this took place in the latest book.  A whole book with not a thought of the kid.


It looks to me as though Mags is probably responsible for the heraldic trainees being put to work in housekeeping, kitchens, and so forth, so why can't this unnamed kid be brought in as part of that?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: gryphon340 on February 19, 2012, 10:16:05 am
after stabbed saving the King, He hasn't had the time to go back and fix it.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on February 19, 2012, 10:27:11 am
... but he has time for Kirball and courting.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: gryphon340 on February 19, 2012, 10:29:05 am
He was still in a hospital bed, when Nikloas made though comments.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on February 19, 2012, 10:34:21 am
What Nikolas said is irrelevant to my point; mags has had all the time since he got back to the Collegium, and never said a word to anybody.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: gryphon340 on February 19, 2012, 01:16:25 pm
his mind and body is tending to healing. PLus the third book is out and maybe he'll fix it there.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on February 19, 2012, 01:33:49 pm
Foundation, Intrigues, Changes.  I've read them all.  No, I repeat, not one word.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: gryphon340 on February 19, 2012, 01:37:13 pm
I haven't read Changes yet. The kid was stealing.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on February 19, 2012, 01:40:25 pm
One word, Gryphon.

Skif.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on March 07, 2012, 06:44:20 pm
Read Unnatural Issue. It was pretty good, seemed to take a long time to get started though. Also the romance angle annoyed me this time. Probably because I knew the girl wasn't going to end up with guy #1 but so much time was focused on it.

Timeline wise, it took place after Serpent's Shadow but before Phoenix and Ashes.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: ppbwashu on March 09, 2012, 01:01:55 pm
Just finished reading "Trio of Sorcery".  I really enjoyed revisiting the Diana Tregarde universe.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on March 09, 2012, 09:01:05 pm
I liked that one too.  :D
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Jabulani on March 13, 2012, 10:45:00 am
I just discovered Eric Banyon in 'Beyond World's End'. Pretty cool story. Love her elves. But I obviously missed out on a number of books prior to that in the same series. Will have to make a point to read 'em.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on March 13, 2012, 11:04:40 am
Including the one where she does an "Alfred Hitchcock". ;)
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Kkat07 on March 16, 2012, 07:30:55 pm
I just discovered Eric Banyon in 'Beyond World's End'. Pretty cool story. Love her elves. But I obviously missed out on a number of books prior to that in the same series. Will have to make a point to read 'em.
I liked that series, at least the last four or so. I never could really get into the first couple, and read them mainly for backstory. I read the books completely out of order, I think I started with Mad Maudlin, then read Beyond World's End and Spirits White as Lightning, then a few months later tracked down the first couple.
One question I have about those: Kayla is around sixteen when Eric first goes Underhill, and is only a year or two older when he comes out two decades later. I remember in one of the later books they give some explanation for it and say that it took Eric a while to notice. Was that intentional, or a cover-up of a mistake? Not that I really care, I like Kayla and was glad she was in there, but I wondered about that. Maybe there was more of an explanation and I missed it.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Janilee on March 16, 2012, 10:47:30 pm
The only explanation I remember is that Kayla hid Underhill for the same amount of time as Eric.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on March 16, 2012, 10:48:33 pm
Yeah, they had to keep her away from people who wanted to enslave her as a healer, basically.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Kkat07 on March 17, 2012, 03:12:57 pm
Yeah, they had to keep her away from people who wanted to enslave her as a healer, basically.

Maybe that was in a story I didn't read, because I don't remember that. I just remember some offhanded comment about her being Underhill for a while. That would explain my confusion. Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Jabulani on March 25, 2012, 07:07:31 am
You guys are talking about Bedlam Boyz. It's set in the same universe, but NOT written by Lackey.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on March 31, 2012, 09:08:38 am
Just finished Beauty and the Werewolf. It was pretty enjoyable.  :) My one complant is that it was really obvious who the bad guy was.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on March 31, 2012, 09:21:35 am
It's the 500 Kingdoms, stuffed to the rafters and busting at the seams with obvious tropes, you sort of have to expect that.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on March 31, 2012, 09:24:26 am
True, but this time it was different. He's in scene one, before the story actually starts. In that one scene I could tell he had done something wrong without knowing what had happened.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on March 31, 2012, 09:30:45 am
Well, I didn't feel that way, but that's okay, I have problems with other of her books for more or less similar reasons, so I know she's flawed as well as you do.  Sometimes I think she's got too much on her plate, and her attention to detail suffers for it.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on March 31, 2012, 09:37:46 am
I'll agree to that. She's come out with, like four books in the last year? That's a lot to get through.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on March 31, 2012, 09:39:20 am
Even co-writing some of them. 
I'm getting to the point where, even if I had an unlimited budget, her books in the series I read wouldn't be on my 'automatically buy' list any more.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on April 16, 2012, 12:57:17 pm
I just re-read this thread, and followed the link
http://www.mercedeslackey.com/features_laststraw.html about why she'd stopped writing the Diana Tregarde books.  Not only did it explain why she stopped writing them, but also why they were so dark; I hadn't thought of them as horror, which she explains here was the case.

It may also help explain some of the variation in quality of her work.  Depending on what kind of nutjobs are harassing her, and how hard, she may be too distracted at times to do her best work.

Read the part about the dead two year old.  See if you don't feel like you can give her some slack.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: ppbwashu on April 20, 2012, 06:57:54 am
Wow, that's intense.  I've watched fans at some conventions following Patty and Mike around, and some of them really scare me.  Any kind of fame is can raise your visibility, and that can make you a target.  :-\
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: CheeseBK on April 24, 2012, 01:43:59 am
wow, I'm stunned. Thanks for posting this, patti.
I think it's just horrible what people sometimes make out of things. guess that's where we have to draw the line between a normal fan and a raging fanatic.

I'm sorry that things like that happen to people who only want to entertain us and be able to make a living.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on April 24, 2012, 07:35:53 am
Yes, it reminds you that the Stephen King novel "Misery" wasn't all that far fetched, doesn't it?  I can't take too much credit here, the link had been posted more than a year ago, I just finally clicked on it and read the whole thing.  Blinked, and reposted it when I got to the end of the thread, with a little teaser to make it more intriguing for the rest of the Hurogs to read. 
I try to stick to "they write fiction that I like; express that and leave them to get on with living their lives and writing more" just like I don't glue myself to actors because of favorite roles, or reject them for either bad jobs, bad editing, or badly written roles.  It's a temporary measure inside their minds, they get out of it, they go on with their own lives.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on June 02, 2012, 09:28:47 pm
Just saw this listing at Amazon:

Dead Reckoning [Kindle Edition]
Mercedes Lackey (Author), Rosemary Edghill (Author)
Girl pretending to be a boy in the old west.  Zombies.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: charmed on June 03, 2012, 11:11:16 am
Just saw this listing at Amazon:

Dead Reckoning [Kindle Edition]
Mercedes Lackey (Author), Rosemary Edghill (Author)
Girl pretending to be a boy in the old west.  Zombies.

Pass. I like their collaborations but I'm ready for the zombie trend in books to end now.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: ppbwashu on June 06, 2012, 05:58:34 am
I never did get into the zombie thing.  The subgenre is just as undead as it's subjects!  We must attack with flamethrowers. >D
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Janilee on August 06, 2012, 05:11:32 am
Just found!  bOuNcY

Shadow Grail #3: Sacrifices by Mercedes Lackey, Rosemary Edghill
Pub Month: 13-Apr⋅    2013-04-02

The third book in the Shadow Grail series by the New York Times and USA Today bestselling authors Mercedes Lackey and Rosemary Edghill. The students of Oakhurst Academy believe they have triumphed over the Shadow Knights. But Spirit, Burke, Muirin, Loch, and Addie know better. Under the guise of a company called Breakthrough Adventure Systems, the Shadow Knights have actually taken over the campus. The new regime is brutal, designed to turn the students into soldiers wielding both weapons and magic. Anyone who protests disappears. Desperate, the group decides that Muirin should go undercover to spy on Breakthrough. But Muirin’s act is a little too good, and Spirit begins to fear that her friend’s loyalties might have truly changed. Surrounded by enemies and friends who suddenly seem like strangers, Spirit has decide who can–and cannot–be trusted.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on August 06, 2012, 08:27:05 am
She's definitely in a "school" phase, isn't she?  Doing the "Collegium Chronicles" in Valdemar too.  Book 4 there has an October 2 this year release date listed.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: gryphon340 on October 15, 2012, 12:04:34 pm
The 4th Book in the Collagium series is out.

Ending feltnot completed
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: ppbwashu on October 16, 2012, 08:10:37 am
Hmm, forgot to look for it.  Must do so ASAP.

Just finished reading the first three books in the 500 Kingdoms series, and I really liked her twist in the first novel.  8)
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: gryphon340 on October 16, 2012, 03:02:01 pm
Have you read the Valdmair series?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: ppbwashu on October 17, 2012, 11:57:21 am
Oh, yeah, Gryph, all but the latest one released this month.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Cerulean on October 23, 2012, 01:31:59 pm
I just discovered the Collegium books. I've got Foundation on my TBB list.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 08, 2017, 01:38:30 pm
I treated myself to the latest collection with other authors, and I'm impatiently awaiting not just the first non-human Herald, but the first that isn't humanoid.
Where are the Kyree and Gryphon heralds?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Janilee on December 08, 2017, 10:53:52 pm
It might be hard for a kyree to ride a companion.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 08, 2017, 11:01:16 pm
Try a Gryphon, or Hertsai (sic) or one of the bird people.  There are supposed to be catlike intelligences out there like the kyree are more or less lupine.
How about a Firecat, or someone already well into their Vkandis SunPriest training?
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Janilee on December 08, 2017, 11:08:27 pm
Since a firecat is already companionlike, I wouldn't expect that mix. A sunpriest could be interesting, but might cause difficulties between Vkandis and whichever diety provides the companions.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on December 08, 2017, 11:10:36 pm
Go back to Talia's introduction to the history of Valdemar; King Valdemar & his wife went out and prayed to all the gods they knew, for help. 
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: BillG on December 09, 2017, 02:44:47 am
That would be fascinating for all the political upheaval in the Council. Perhaps a student of the Sun Priest Alberich councils with.
A hertasai (I looked it up) Herald would be cool, and due to the story of Gervaise the Lizard Wizard that was recounted in one book we know they can be magician.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on January 15, 2018, 06:24:13 pm
Was listening to the "Cold drake" song from the Shadowstalker album, and I wonder, since they entrance by catching the eyes of the victim creatures, what would happen if the pair that's been a couple of the recent anthologies (or whatsisname, the young Sunpriest from the Magestorms series, and the Firecat that's attached to him) went out after one?
This is a blinded gryphon and the changechild Shinian gal who are sort of mind bonded.  Set the gal somewhere with sight of the drake, tie her in place, link the gryphon to her eyes; could the gryphon fight the drake without being entranced through the shared sight?  Or the Sunpriest/Firecat duo.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: BillG on January 16, 2018, 03:17:44 am
The Firecat was a mage, but not strong enough to save the older priest Ulrich and the younger one in that attack by magical devices, so I doubt it would be powerful enough to overcome a cold drake unless empowered directly by Vkandis. And I think that unlikely unless they were needed to do something later on.
I don't recall the second duo, but fighting with someone else's eyes and viewpoint seems risky to me, unless an ambush can be staged.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on January 16, 2018, 09:11:11 am
The Firecat is the one who still had his vision, and young wossname was a channel, and not a sword or spear fighter anyway, so really, that duo wouldn't do at all. 
The other pair are from the anthologies where she let other people play.  And yes, ambush, so you could limit the drake's movement, and perch the eyes somewhere with good view but little danger of being caught in the fight.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: BillG on January 17, 2018, 04:31:54 am
I've only read some of those anthologies, and it's been a while for the ones I did read, so it could be a memory lapse or I just did not read the story.
Side note: After reading the Mage Storms trilogy I wondered if Ms. Lackey would be writing of the marriage of the priest to his young apprentice artificer. More, I had a scenario running through my head of it being turned into a big thing in the same way that Talia's marriage to Dirk was. That is, an excuse to get people in from all over to tell them firsthand about the new situation.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on January 17, 2018, 07:19:36 am
I think she may have done all the 'big wedding' scenes she wants, between Talia&Dirk, the prince and then Mags/Amalie in the Collegium/Spy series, and the one for Darian(sic) and his healer in the Owl series.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: BillG on January 18, 2018, 02:49:23 am
That could well be; but once something pops into my head it generally stays there. It might not come when called, but instead pop up at inopportune times. Or every time the initiating event recurs.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on July 03, 2019, 10:29:07 pm
https://www.tor.com/2019/07/03/book-reviews-mercedes-lackey-valdemar-eye-spy/
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on July 12, 2019, 07:26:23 pm
I'm partway through the latest Valdemar tale, and Mags' daughter is apparently ace.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Janilee on July 12, 2019, 10:25:27 pm
I'm rather behind on that particular story line.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on July 18, 2019, 08:46:35 pm
Me too. I only read the first Mags book, because he rubbed me the wrong way somehow.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on August 10, 2019, 08:53:38 am
Hawk brothers?

41 Strange
@41Strange

White Raven spotted on Vancouver Island, British Columbia
(Photo: Mike Yip)

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Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Janilee on August 10, 2019, 10:50:25 am
Wow!
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: pondhawk on August 10, 2019, 01:50:32 pm
Apparently there's a whole family of them. Leucistic, not albino.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Zealith on August 10, 2019, 06:29:59 pm
Gorgeous!
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on October 13, 2019, 01:37:18 pm
Was just reminded, in one of the later Tarma & Kethry stories, (maybe "By the Sword"?) Warrl remarks that as tightly as he & Tarma have bonded, The Warrior might hake him/it along with Tarma to be one of the veiled ones.
Given that Tarma as veiled one shows up to teach the little catalyst Sun Priest in one of the Storm books, and no sign of Warrl, I guess he was wrong.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: BillG on October 14, 2019, 03:09:13 am
I recall Warll musing like that, but I don't recall realizing any of the veiled ones in the Storm cycle was Tarma. Then again, the youngster was getting freaked out enough with everything else going on, and the kyree might have stayed away to prevent an utter and complete freak-out. Which did happen when Vanyel showed up.
Title: Re: Mercedes Lackey
Post by: Patti L. on October 14, 2019, 04:50:54 am
This was, I believe, during his recovery from his second stint as catalyst.