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Title: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on November 13, 2007, 11:11:52 am
The Black Jewels trilogy is one of my favorite fantasy series of all time and I was squeeing when I head that Anne has written another book about this world.
She has posted the excerpt to Tangled Webs on her site
below is the link
http://www.annebishop.com/s.excerpt.tangled.webs.html

Its great to read about new Daemon, Jannelle and the rest of the gang.
Roll  on March ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on November 13, 2007, 12:04:14 pm
Yeah, I fell in love with the trilogy too!!! Lost a lot of hours of sleep to finish it in the shorter time possible... ::) And I can't wait for Tangled Webs too: meantime, I treated myself to Dreams Made Flesh, the short stories collection, with an epilogue to the trilogy ;)
March is sooooo far away though.... T_T
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on November 13, 2007, 01:41:21 pm
i've heard of anne bishop, but i've never read any of her books
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Gwendolynn on November 13, 2007, 02:55:34 pm
i've heard of anne bishop, but i've never read any of her books
You should read her Black Jewel Trilogy.  They are some of the best books I have ever read.  Definitely up there on my favorite list. 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Grey Drakkon on November 13, 2007, 03:02:19 pm
They are good, but horribly gruesome as well.  If you're squeamish you may want to back off onto one of her other series.  I, on the other hand, wound up reading all night when I got the first book of the Black Jewels and had to go to work on no sleep. >_< 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on November 13, 2007, 03:18:11 pm
ohh sounds cool i shall see if i can get it
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on November 13, 2007, 03:22:18 pm
I second that  ;D I bought the omnibus and it took me about a week to get through over a 1000 pages- and the short story collection. Although I agree they are DARK but very very good.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on November 13, 2007, 03:41:30 pm
yeah thats what i've heard
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Gwendolynn on November 13, 2007, 03:50:06 pm
I know there are some young readers on this site, so maybe a warning is in order.  Grey Drakkon is right.  There are some gruesome things and I consider it an adult series. 

If I remember right, I read all three books in three days and my house was a disaster when I finished.  My kids had gone a little crazy without me and it took me another three days to clean up all their messes (the carpet in their room will ever be the same).  I distinctly remember vowing to never do that again after the cleanup. 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on November 13, 2007, 03:53:38 pm
ha if you all read it at one time then they must be good, i need to read them

the gruesome factor won't be too bad because it is a book, and just look at some of the most popular movies out now - saw, hostile, hills have eyes
all very gruesome
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on November 13, 2007, 04:01:14 pm
ha if you all read it at one time then they must be good, i need to read them

the gruesome factor won't be too bad because it is a book, and just look at some of the most popular movies out now - saw, hostile, hills have eyes
all very gruesome

I don't mind gruesome movies but only if there is a storyline behind but I saw Hostile - I loathe that film with a passion- it was more like a snuff movie and although I am pretty easygoing with gory films. That film really made me feel sick to my stomach and to me it was misogynistic and basically glorified violence and it left me with a nasty taste in my mouth. I didn't :P bother with the sequel

On Anne's site she has a disclaimer on books which may not be suitable for young readers. I think this excerpt is aimed at readers about 17 or older. However that didn't stop me reading ahem ;) unsuitable books when I was younger but I agree I wouldn't like kids reading these books. It really deals with dark issues and has violent scenes that had me wincing
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Gwendolynn on November 13, 2007, 04:01:58 pm
Well, it isn't slasher gruesome, but rather sexually disturbing if that makes sense.  This book is a good example of why I don't want Hillary Clinton to be president, even though I would love a female president.  Power corrupts. ;)

I would be uncomfortable having teenage girls read it.  Just my opinion though.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on November 13, 2007, 04:07:37 pm
how old would you say you should be to read these then?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on November 13, 2007, 04:12:34 pm
At Anne's site the suggested reading age is 17 or above - although that is with the excerpt of Tangled Webs.
But if you saw Hostel then I think this is Black Jewels is ok I think that film was more violent than this series however there is some events and scenes that has sexual abuse which may upset some readers.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on November 13, 2007, 04:16:54 pm
i didn't see hostile but i have seen 1-3 of saw and hills have eyes, i think i could handle it but it sounds gruesome
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: tmpinsnty on November 13, 2007, 05:55:49 pm
i was on another forum and started a thread about anothers authors work being rereleased...and guess who replies to my post?  Anne Bishop...
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on November 13, 2007, 06:07:26 pm
ahh are you serios that is soo cool  :D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on November 14, 2007, 05:50:28 am
i was on another forum and started a thread about anothers authors work being rereleased...and guess who replies to my post?  Anne Bishop...

No way!!! :D
Anyway, about the right age for reading the Trilogy: I'm not the best suited person to judge this kind of thing, what with my seeing Silence of the Lambs at 9 and such (I always did things way ahead of time...hmm, that must be why I'm not entirely normal... *mazoku whistling innocently*), but if I had to choose I'd say 16/17 or so. Meaning: if you read it before that age, Kiersten, brace yourself 'cos you might end up like the resident mazoku!!! ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on November 15, 2007, 01:06:21 pm
I love the Black Jewels trilogy (along with the other books about the Blood).  I'm thrilled she's doing another one, Tangled Webs, which is due out in March.  (For those of you who don't know, it takes place a few weeks after Kaeleer's Heart, which is the short story in which Daemon and Jaenelle get married.)

I do agree that the books can be kind of gruesome.  Heketah and Dorothea rank as my top, all-time most heinous villains EVER.  I hate those women.  Hate them.  They are just evil beyond belief.  I always want to skip their scenes because they just make my skin crawl, but you CAN'T skip their scenes because they're so integral to the story.

Some time ago, I came across this picture and this dude is totally Daemon.  Like...totally.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/Niftybergin/DaemonSadi.jpg)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on November 15, 2007, 01:41:23 pm
Omg Nifty I AGREE - That is Daemon  :D
Now all we need is a Luciver
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Grey Drakkon on November 15, 2007, 05:13:45 pm
Rrrow.  >;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Rob on November 15, 2007, 05:20:31 pm
Are you all right, Grey? you seem to have something stuck in your throat.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Grey Drakkon on November 15, 2007, 05:24:17 pm
Hmm?  No no, that was just me vocalizing....The purring came after.  ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: jackie on November 15, 2007, 07:11:33 pm
I think most of the kids on this board are at the point they are self censoring.  I let my son read anything in my library when he hit 14.  He was required to let me know what he was reading so we could talk about it (read lecture) though.  I have always been a bit strange about how I censored my kid anyway.  I didn't let him watch many TV family sitcoms because a lot of the humor was mean spirited and derogatory.  They showed a lot too much gratuitous laughs and not enough successful family interaction. 
Nudity on it's own doesn't bother me.  Sex, once they're a little older and when it's clearly consensual and no children (under 18) are involved is fine. 
An excess of violence is not.  I liked Star trek NG for quite a while because a regular plot was - run into inexplicable situation - strike out in fear and make it worse - stop and think for a while and figure out how to talk to he/she/it/them - apologize and negotiate - happy ending.  This is very true - shoot first and ask questions later is not a very successful plan in most real life situations.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on November 17, 2007, 09:48:15 pm
i was on another forum and started a thread about anothers authors work being rereleased...and guess who replies to my post?  Anne Bishop...

No way!!! :D
Anyway, about the right age for reading the Trilogy: I'm not the best suited person to judge this kind of thing, what with my seeing Silence of the Lambs at 9 and such (I always did things way ahead of time...hmm, that must be why I'm not entirely normal... *mazoku whistling innocently*), but if I had to choose I'd say 16/17 or so. Meaning: if you read it before that age, Kiersten, brace yourself 'cos you might end up like the resident mazoku!!! ;D


yeah i saw halloween with michael myers when i was in either 3rd or 4th grade, and i think that ship has sailed  ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on November 25, 2007, 04:39:24 pm
i just realized that i have daughter of the blood (the first one) and thats where i heard her name before, so now i'm reading it and i like it
you guys are right it is pretty graphic though even in just the first few pages
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Gwendolynn on November 25, 2007, 07:23:47 pm
i just realized that i have daughter of the blood (the first one) and thats where i heard her name before, so now i'm reading it and i like it
you guys are right it is pretty graphic though even in just the first few pages
The first book is the most graphic, in my opinion, although they are all graphic.  Good, but graphic.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on November 26, 2007, 01:56:01 pm
I totally agree- And I am glad you are enjoying it Princess  ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on November 27, 2007, 01:51:01 pm
MUH AHAHAHAH!!! *evil laugh*
Finally, I convinced my friends to read the Trilogy. It would be no great deal, aside from the fact that they have refused up until now to read anything in english and that the Trilogy isn't translated here in Italy yet...but they got curious about it and are willing to try, after all of my praising this series. So, Hail to Anne Bishop: I'll (maybe) be finally able to share ALL of my books with my book-junkies friends!!! ;D

I was getting kind of limited in sharing my books (and that was no good, since I'm their pusher, as they call me...), 'cos I'm reading more and more in english lately... >____<
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on November 27, 2007, 02:11:26 pm
Just a little heads up - I cam across this in LKH message board which Anne posts regularly. She is gonna right another Black Jewels book  called Grayhaven so YAY !!!!!
This wont be out till 09 though and it will be set a couple of months after Tangled Webs.
http://forum.laurellkhamilton.org/showthread.php?t=6882&page=22

Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on November 27, 2007, 02:14:52 pm
*mazoku trying desperately (and failing miserably) not to jump onto the desk and dance at the news*

YAYYYY!!! ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on November 27, 2007, 02:19:57 pm
I know  ;D especially so soon after a new black jewels book- I thought she would have started another series or gone back to her other previous ones- I am joining you with the squeeing!!!!!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on November 27, 2007, 03:27:12 pm
ohh how cool, i am really liking this a lot i will definitely get the other 3 i guess now  ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on November 28, 2007, 05:34:37 am
Don't forget to take also Dreams made flesh, where there are 4 stories set in the world of the Blood: 3 are set before or during the events that take place in the Trilogy and the last is the epilogue to the Trilogy itself ;)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on November 29, 2007, 11:08:28 am
I love Anne Bishop's Black Jewel Trilogy and I've probably reread more than a dozen times.  So glad she's doing another book in that realm.  I understand she's got another book coming out in 2009, but new characters.  Anyone know what the new book will be about?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on November 29, 2007, 11:21:41 am
I think its called Grayhaven which will feature the decedents of the characters from the Invisible Ring- If you click on the link that I posted above- there are little tidbits. Anne doesn't know what the story is going to entail she is still in the planning stages but you can always ask her in that forum. She posts regularly in the LKH forums. ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on November 29, 2007, 01:40:12 pm
Woo hoo! The BJ series is one of those that completely sucks me into its world. There are only a few like that - BJ, Diana Gabaldon's Outlander series, and Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series. You know, those books that when you finish them and pull your eyes from the page, you find yourself surprised you're not actually in that world? Sigh ... love it!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on November 29, 2007, 04:06:23 pm
Cerulean - I know what you mean about being pulled into BJ's world.  Sometimes I really wish there was actual magic or something more.............if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on December 22, 2007, 02:28:35 pm
BTW, Anne's posted an excerpt of Tangled Webs on her site.

Click Here (http://www.annebishop.com/s.excerpt.tangled.webs.html)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Sylvia_Hui on January 08, 2008, 09:07:20 pm
Um, i think i read it trilogy when i was about 15, it was pretty graphic but by then i understood about things in life not always being all pretty and neat so it just added a depth to the story. I know the Invisible Ring came out in 2000, so the first three where released in ..97? 98ish? so i have been waiting for a sequel forever and was soo happy when Dreams made flesh came out. Now i have that same bubbly happiness all over again. From the excerpt and blurb it looks like this story focuses more on Surreal. She sooo needed a happy ending that doesn't involve doing something violent to her father! Happiness!

She also has a short story featuring Surreal in a anthology with detective stories...i would have to go open the moving boxes to remember what the title is...had this dark figure floating off the ground wearing a hooded cloak...
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on January 19, 2008, 10:37:27 am
Powers of Detection, Stories of Mystery & Fantasy.

Anne Bishops' story is titled "The Price".  Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on January 19, 2008, 01:33:26 pm
I think it was edited by Diane Stabenow, or something like that.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on January 20, 2008, 07:23:49 am
Yes, it was.  It also has stories by Anne Perry, Laura Anne Gilman and about 8-10 others.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Triakel on January 20, 2008, 08:43:02 am
Oh, I'm so thrilled there'll be a new book too! I think she mentioned on this Anne Bishop board I'm a member of that she would write more about the little girl Lucivar and Damon found, I think her name was Kara. So I hope it'll be in this one  :)

/L
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on January 20, 2008, 10:25:31 am
I'm lost.  Kara?  I don't remember Luciver and Daemon finding a little girl.  What story was that in?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Triakel on January 20, 2008, 10:54:53 am
Hi mtomni

*thinking*
It was in book 3, I think.

Big SPOILER ALERT!!!

Remember when that village was attacked by Eyerians, and Kaelas and Kae Askavi save Kae Askavi's little human friend? I just looked it up, and her name was Della.

/L  :)






Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on January 20, 2008, 11:16:37 am
Okay!  Yes, now I remember!  I have "sometimes disease".....sometimes I remember, sometimes I don't!

I saw somewhere that next years book (2009) would be about the descendants of The Invisible Ring.  So maybe she's got Della in this book?  Or maybe there's a short story coming out somewhere?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on January 20, 2008, 11:40:09 am
If noone has read her Tir Alainn trilogy, I strongly recommend it: it's on a completely different world from her Black Jewels trilogy, but it's very well written all the same. :)
The story basically is this: humans and Fae don't interact a lot. Mostly, the Fae come down from their realm (Tir Alainn) to the human world just to amuse themselves, using what they call "shining roads". But now the shining roads are closing, and pieces of Tir Alainn are dissolving into the fog, and the Fae don't know what to do to stop this from happening. The only clues they find talk about the "Pillars of the World" and the "House of Gaian".
Meanwhile, in the human world, the witches who live in the Old Places are being slaughtered by men that call themselves Inquisitors, lead by the Witch's Hammer...
 :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Triakel on January 20, 2008, 12:32:37 pm
If noone has read her Tir Alainn trilogy, I strongly recommend it: it's on a completely different world from her Black Jewels trilogy, but it's very well written all the same. :)

Hi Mazoku, I agree, that's a great series. I think I probably like it even better than Black Jewels. It's more political, in a way. But I really like her Black Jewels series, so no, I don't think I can choose. It's like my mum sais: You can love both [your children] equally but differently.

/L
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on January 20, 2008, 01:18:24 pm
What did you think of her last series?  I had some problems understanding the Belladonna world.  I read both books and enjoyed them, but I hope she doesn't do more of them.

The Black Jewels is definitely my favorite, but the Tir Alainn is great.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Triakel on January 20, 2008, 01:50:52 pm
I've actually been saving Belladonna. Don't know why really. Maybe it's like, once I start on that series, I'll yearn for new books like I do for all other of my fav series, but right now, with both of them lying on the shelf, I have something to look forward to, and since I haven't read them yet, it's not so hard NOT to read them, if you know what I mean. I've been saving them since this summer. First I saved them to read during my vacation, then to read on the last days of vacation, then to have something to look forward to for Mabon, then Samhain, then Christmas.  :-\ Crazy, I know...
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on January 20, 2008, 02:52:32 pm
I still have to read her last series, I'm waiting for both books to be released in paperback (problems of space management ;)). I love the other series (Tir Alainn and Black Jewels), they're both great fantasies, but the Black Jewels trilogy is my favourite of the two.  :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Grey Drakkon on January 20, 2008, 03:30:51 pm
I read the Pillars of the World books, I didn't like them quite as much as the Black Jewels. Partly because everyone got brabies (= baby rabies) and partly due to my own fault, I accidentally read the second book first and kept going "What the HELL?  Everyone's acting like they already know everything...::looks at cover again:: OH.  >_<  "  I wound up re-reading them, but little things kept jiggling at me that made me not like them quite as much as the Jewels books.
   I read Sebastian, enjoyed it but I was expecting some serious smut. >;D  But it wasn't NEARLY as smut-like as I was expecting/hoping. ;)  (I was in the mood, allright?)  Some super duper anachronisms bothered me, like the motercycle demons (wtf?) I just kept getting confused about what kind of setting/time period this was set in.  I kept getting a medieval/fantasy setting but urban fantasy kept intruding so I wound up a bit jarred. 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on January 20, 2008, 04:45:12 pm
i started the blood jewels trilogy but i put it down to read IK, i'll get back to it soon.  what i read was good
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: charmed on January 20, 2008, 05:18:12 pm
*sigh* Too much chattiness today, would you all like to take this to the chat room, or tie it to the books somehow?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Triakel on January 20, 2008, 05:26:14 pm
sorry sorry sorry
going now
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Grey Drakkon on January 20, 2008, 05:29:51 pm
Actually I was thinking  you may want to split off the side topic and put it somewhere like "chat" with a new title. 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: charmed on January 20, 2008, 05:30:14 pm
Will do :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: charmed on January 20, 2008, 05:35:18 pm
Done.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Ellyll on January 20, 2008, 05:37:24 pm
Actually I was thinking  you may want to split off the side topic and put it somewhere like "chat" with a new title. 

You know, she's just trying to weasel her way out of having hijacked a thread....  ;)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: charmed on January 20, 2008, 05:38:21 pm
Actually I was thinking  you may want to split off the side topic and put it somewhere like "chat" with a new title. 

You know, she's just trying to weasel her way out of having hijacked a thread....  ;)

**glares at Grey **

Bad, bad mod  >:(


 ;) :D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Grey Drakkon on January 20, 2008, 10:32:59 pm
Wha me?  :: attempts to look innocent and fails spectacularly::
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: charmed on January 20, 2008, 10:33:38 pm
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: beverlyp on February 06, 2008, 01:10:55 pm
just ordered the first 3 books today won't get em for about a week or so though, hope they are good.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on February 07, 2008, 01:09:46 am
Which ones have you ordered? Not that there are bad ones... ::) ;)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: beverlyp on February 07, 2008, 05:05:48 am
the black jewels series
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on February 07, 2008, 08:39:32 am
Its a fantastic series!!!! Although it gets really dark but its one of absolute favorites and there is another sequel out next month Tangled Webs which I cant wait to get:)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Gwendolynn on February 07, 2008, 09:49:27 am
Its a fantastic series!!!! Although it gets really dark but its one of absolute favorites and there is another sequel out next month Tangled Webs which I cant wait to get:)
Next month?!?!  Why is it not on my lists?  I have no idea how I missed its release date.  Thanks for mentioning it!  I get to read a new C.E. Murphy and Anne Bishop - it will be an excellent month! 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Firewire on February 07, 2008, 09:52:47 am
Truthfully I believe the Black Jewel trilogy to be more gruesome than the movies. There is something about the picture that is created in your head which can be terrifying but at the same time very enjoyable. I know that sounds wierd but I am sure a lot of you know what I am getting at if you have read the books. I do have to say that the book that came after the trilogy Dreams made flesh was not nearly as good as the rest of them. If your going to skip any of the books that would be the one.

**SPOILER**

Although it does have some insight into the the new Jewel that Jaenelle had when her body was repaired.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on February 07, 2008, 09:59:38 am
I understand what you are saying- I think I preffered Luciver's story the best! That was a courtship of errors but I think that anthology was more romantic than her previous books- but I loved it.

Tangled Webs is going to focus more on Surreal that is the sense I got from reading the excerpt and she is on the cover as well.
Here is the link to the excerpt- and I agree Gwendolyn March is a fantastic month new books from most of my favourite authors :)
By the way - welcome to the boards Firewire :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Firewire on February 07, 2008, 10:05:15 am
Thank you Has. I prefer the trilogy itself. You're definitely right the Lucifer story was good, but as far as the main storyline is concerned completely optional. It does have some great insights into the reasons for Lucifer's actions and his demeanor.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on February 07, 2008, 10:43:17 am
Argh!! How come I didn't notice there's a new book coming out the next month?! :o *mazoku banging her head on the monitor* Dang!! >________<
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Firewire on February 07, 2008, 10:46:28 am
lol, be careful you may hurt your monitor and that wouldn't be nice.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: beverlyp on February 07, 2008, 02:50:55 pm
Truthfully I believe the Black Jewel trilogy to be more gruesome than the movies. There is something about the picture that is created in your head which can be terrifying but at the same time very enjoyable. I know that sounds wierd but I am sure a lot of you know what I am getting at if you have read the books. I do have to say that the book that came after the trilogy Dreams made flesh was not nearly as good as the rest of them. If your going to skip any of the books that would be the one.

**SPOILER**

Although it does have some insight into the the new Jewel that Jaenelle had when her body was repaired.

its been made into a movie????
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Firewire on February 07, 2008, 03:57:39 pm
No it hasn't been made into a movie. I should have specified. Earlier in the thread they were talking about horror movies.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on February 08, 2008, 12:18:40 pm
Okay, now for the question...........Who would you cast as Daemon and Luciver?

For pure animal magnetism, Yul Brynner would have been great for Luciver.  Of course, the guy's dead so that kills that thought.  But Daemon?  Yikes!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on February 08, 2008, 12:52:36 pm
 Nifty posted a gorgeous pic of a model that looked like Daemon- just scroll down here - you cant miss it :)
http://hurog.com/forum/index.php?topic=531.15

I dont know about Yul Brynner as Luciver perhaps Saetan but again its  the hair thing  :P-

I need to think about the casting- I am half brain dead at the moment :D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Triakel on February 08, 2008, 06:13:56 pm
Ooooh, that Daemon was gooood. Someone on the Anne Bishop board had organized this whole Fantasy-movie cast a few years ago, and I remember she'd suggested Odedh Fehr for Daemon, and although I'm not sure he's my idea of D, it made me watch the Mummy movies and drool, hehe.

I always pictured Lucivar as fairer. Maybe not nordic-fair like Janelle, but western-european fair. Any handsome britts come to mind? No, wait, aren't the long-lived races suppose to be golden-skinned and black-haired. Hmm. So my internal picture is all wrong. Oh well...
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on February 12, 2008, 11:33:26 am
I don't have any suggestions for Lucivar. 

I'm now doing the anxiously pacing thing, waiting for Tangled Webs next month.  Am re-reading the BJT and Dreams Made Flesh.  Can't wait to get a new dose of Saetan and Daemon and Lucivar.

Here's a question:  Is Surreal's name pronounced "sir-real", or is it three syllables -- "sir-ree-uhl"?  I've always pronounced it "sir-real" but I wasn't sure.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Firewire on February 12, 2008, 12:08:30 pm
I've always pronounced it the same way you have Nifty. I am unsure myself.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on February 12, 2008, 12:17:36 pm
Hmm, I always said it in 3 syllables (like the adjective), but I guess the only one who knows exactly the right pronounciation is Ms. Bishop herself. :P And, how the heck do you say Eyrien? I always thought it much like "eerie" with a final "n", but I'm far from sure... :-\
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on February 12, 2008, 12:26:20 pm
Hmm, I always said it in 3 syllables (like the adjective), but I guess the only one who knows exactly the right pronounciation is Ms. Bishop herself. :P And, how the heck do you say Eyrien? I always thought it much like "eerie" with a final "n", but I'm far from sure... :-\

I say "Air-ree-uhn".  Sort of like Aryan.  Maybe it's "ear-ree-uhn". 

Here's a question I don't remember the answer to.  You know at the end of the 3rd book, when Jaenelle is cooking up her way to purge the Blood of Hekatah's taint, and the demon-dead sacrifice themselves for her cause...  There's that part where Andulvar and the others are saying goodbye.  Did Titian sacrifice herself also?

Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Firewire on February 12, 2008, 12:58:38 pm
I believe that she did, but it has been awhile since I have read the book so I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on February 12, 2008, 01:24:28 pm
Okay, so how's this for Lucivar:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/Niftybergin/gabriel-aubry-h01r.jpg)

It's Halle Berry's boyfriend.  And a reminder about Daemon:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/Niftybergin/DaemonSadi.jpg)

Works for me.  They could totally be brothers.

And if this is my fantasy, I'll go with this guy for Saetan. 

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/Niftybergin/jeff-goldblum-2004-vanity-fair-osca.jpg)

What can I say?  I have a huge crush on Jeff Goldblum. ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Firewire on February 12, 2008, 02:02:40 pm
Nope, Nope, Nope  ;D .... Lets see who we should pick for Janelle
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on February 12, 2008, 03:31:37 pm
ha ha i think they work, i will definitely see this movie
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on February 12, 2008, 04:11:13 pm
Yes, yes, yes!!

 :-*

And yes, Titan did sacrifice herself.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Firewire on February 12, 2008, 04:25:20 pm
C'mon I need some guys to back me up here... Rob?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Kiersten Walks Funny on February 12, 2008, 06:54:49 pm
embrace the estrogen :P :D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on February 13, 2008, 12:27:22 am
*** BIG SPOILER***
Kiersten, don't read!!! ;) (http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff133/onionethan/onion_Emoticons/047_.gif)























If I remember correctly, at the end of the Trilogy Saetan says something like that he really isn't eager to go back to Hell since it would be a deserted place, so I'm guessing all of the demon-deads sacrificed themselves, Titian among them (I really adored that Harpy :D)... *mazoku scratching her head pensively*
However, I like your choices Nifty!! ;D But I always imagined Saetan as Derek Jacobi (a little younger than how he's now though), don't really know why ::)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on February 13, 2008, 06:09:24 am
I like your choices Nifty- But I also think Wentworth Miller (if he had his hair straightened, he has curly black hair) could be another great choice!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on February 13, 2008, 06:21:10 am
Isn't Wentworth Miller the one from Prison Break? He's total eye candy...(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff133/onionethan/onion_Emoticons/087_.gif)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on February 13, 2008, 06:31:59 am
Yep- I can watch him ALL day - he is eye candy sent from up above
But to refresh memories here is a pic - :) its no hardship in finding a suitable pic and hosting it in my photobucket account!  ;D

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g82/Hascape/wentworthmillergorgeousjt0.jpg)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on February 13, 2008, 07:02:36 am
Is that for Lucivar or Daemon?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on February 13, 2008, 07:07:05 am
Ooops Luciver I mean- I love your choice for Daemon! I felt like I couldn't top that !
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Firewire on February 13, 2008, 08:46:56 am
Enough with the guys. I have to find some of the female characters. Hmmmm who for Janelle and Surreal. I would go looking for pictures but I am at work.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on February 13, 2008, 10:04:28 am
Hmm, I think Emily Blunt would make a great Surreal

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2586417920/nm1289434 (http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2586417920/nm1289434)

OMG, I just discovered she's only 2 years older than me!!! (http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff133/onionethan/onion_Emoticons/010_.gif)

Hmm, ok, let's forget that... *mazoku erasing memory*






Well, what were we talking about? Oh, yeah, Emily Blunt and Surreal...OMG!!! Emily Blunt is only 2 years older than me!!! GAH!!! I didn't want to remember!!! Stupid memory... >________<

As for Jaenelle, that's a hard task, it'll take some work to find her ;)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Firewire on February 13, 2008, 12:52:47 pm
I would definitely help you look but at the moment I am swamped at work. Ug I hate work. Life out of college is so overrated....

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff133/onionethan/onion_Emoticons/076_.gif)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on February 13, 2008, 02:13:55 pm
.........at least out of college you have a life.........  *said the girl who's been out of her house only twice in the last 2 weeks*
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff133/onionethan/onion_Emoticons/093.gif)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Firewire on February 13, 2008, 02:59:21 pm
You may have a life outside of college but you end up working most of it and it gets much harder to meet people, especially when you keep moving around. On top of that trying to hang out with your friends gets more and more complicated and you have to make plans a few weeks in advance. Even when you make plans a lot of the time the fall through because of other obligations.

Maybe its just the profession that I'm in (which I'm looking into changing), but hey who knows. All I have to say is I will be 24 in march and I by no means want to be stuck doing this the rest of my life. Life is about so much more than this working nonsense. Yah it pays my school loans and the bills, but other than that I don't really care. Nice things are fun every now and then but they never were a necessity in my life.

Love, happiness, family and friends. I can't think of much else if you have those things.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on February 13, 2008, 07:39:26 pm
.........at least out of college you have a life.........  *said the girl who's been out of her house only twice in the last 2 weeks*
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff133/onionethan/onion_Emoticons/093.gif)
Try working at one; it's even worse!  ::) :-*
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: jackie on February 14, 2008, 07:43:01 am
Firewire - I it sounds like time to change your job.  If you don't like it or are not rewarded by it, you are best off finding what does.  Life is too short to spend time doing things that drag you down.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Firewire on February 14, 2008, 08:44:19 am
Yup, thats why I'm moving back east the first week of April. So the question now is what do I want to do?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on February 14, 2008, 09:48:52 am
Okay, here are some random things I wonder about:

1)  I wonder if Graysfang is still teamed up with Surreal.  I'd like to think so.  He helped save her at the end of the 3rd book when he showed up and led her to the cabin off the game trail, but he wasn't in (or mentioned in) "Kaeleer's Heart" in the anthology Dreams Made Flesh.  I'd like to think he's still around, buddied up with Surreal.

2)  I wonder what caste and power level Daemonar is.  In the story "The Prince of Ebon Rih", Lucivar's mother dreams of having Lucivar mate with a priestess or a witch of similar rank so that they will produce high-ranking, dark jeweled daughters.  (She mentions daughters.  I don't think Luthivan has much regard for males.)  But I just wondered about Daemonar.  Is he a Warlord Prince like his daddy?  And along those lines, I wonder if Lucivar and Marian have had more kids.  (I loved their story.)  And speaking of Lucivar, what happened to Tassle?  He's never mentioned again outside of "The Prince of Ebon Rih."

3)  I wonder what happened to Karla.  She was an intriguing character, in large part because, well, she was gay.  But is she completely recovered from her poisoning?  And since she's gay, does she have a Consort?  Can there BE female consorts?

4)  I wonder who survived Jaenelle's purge at the end of the 3rd book, and how.  Like, we know from the short story Kaeleer's Heart that Roxie was still alive.  She survived the purge.  But how?  Why?  I thought that part of what Jaenelle did with the purge was kill off not just the Blood who had been tainted by Dorothea and Hekatah, but also those who had that type of personality...which Roxie certainly did.  I wonder if Alexandra and Leland survived the purge.

5)  I wonder how long Jaenelle will live...and what will happen to Daemon when she dies.  Anne Bishop has said that Jaenelle is not from one of the long-lived races.  She's from a race that generally lives about 125 years.  And she'll age, of course...whereas Daemon really DOESN'T age.  But since she's also Witch, maybe she'll live longer?

I hope we'll get to see lots more of Saetan in the next book.  I was feeling sorry for him, fearing that he was all alone now that Mephis and Prothvar and Titian and Char and Andulvar are gone into the Darkness, but Anne posted (over on the LKH board) that Saetain has lots of children, and they are CONSTANTLY dropping in for visits.  I had a feeling that by "children" she was referring not only to Jaenelle, Daemon, and Lucivar, but also to the coven and the boyos...and probably their assorted offspring as well.

And can I just say how DESPERATELY I wish this series came with maps.  I've finally got the realms kind of fixed in my mind, but I can't keep all the territories straight.  Which territory goes where, I mean.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on February 14, 2008, 10:05:50 am
Surreal:
This is Jolene Blalock.  It's tough to find internet pictures of her that are not super-sexy.  (Although dayum!  I have to admit this woman's body is just killer!)  I think she'd make a good Surreal.  She's very sexy and feminine and attractive, but she's also got a hard look about her, which reminds me of Surreal.  And her features are unusual.  Maybe a bit Dea al Mon-ish?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/Niftybergin/0000023195_20060921174439.jpg)

Another shot:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/Niftybergin/jolene_blalock.jpg)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on February 14, 2008, 10:12:55 am
And hey, look...  Lucivar!  My...what big wings you have.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/Niftybergin/Lassiter.jpg)

Okay, just kidding.  That dude is way too beefy for Lucivar.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on February 14, 2008, 11:08:36 am
4)  I wonder who survived Jaenelle's purge at the end of the 3rd book, and how.  Like, we know from the short story Kaeleer's Heart that Roxie was still alive.  She survived the purge.  But how?  Why?  I thought but also to the coven and the boyos...and probably their assorted offspring as well.

That was the thing that bugged me all this time: after all that Jaenelle and the others went through to get rid of these kind of people, here comes Roxie. The only thing that comes to my mind is this: my history professor at high school always said that the only thing capable of surviving a nuclear strike is cockroaches...hmm...(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff133/onionethan/onion_Emoticons/078_.gif)

5)  I wonder how long Jaenelle will live...and what will happen to Daemon when she dies.  Anne Bishop has said that Jaenelle is not from one of the long-lived races.  She's from a race that generally lives about 125 years.  And she'll age, of course...whereas Daemon really DOESN'T age.  But since she's also Witch, maybe she'll live longer?

Where?! Where did they say this?! I always thought she was Haillian!! (http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff133/onionethan/onion_Emoticons/077_.gif)
However, I thought maybe she can become a Guardian, like Saetan and Cassandra did. :)

And can I just say how DESPERATELY I wish this series came with maps.  I've finally got the realms kind of fixed in my mind, but I can't keep all the territories straight.  Which territory goes where, I mean.

Me too, me too!!! I go nuts every time!! Aw, The Lord of the Rings spoiled us for maps... ;)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on February 14, 2008, 11:28:52 am
Quote
5)  I wonder how long Jaenelle will live...and what will happen to Daemon when she dies.  Anne Bishop has said that Jaenelle is not from one of the long-lived races.  She's from a race that generally lives about 125 years.  And she'll age, of course...whereas Daemon really DOESN'T age.  But since she's also Witch, maybe she'll live longer?


Where?! Where did they say this?! I always thought she was Haillian!!
However, I thought maybe she can become a Guardian, like Saetan and Cassandra did.

On her website, Anne has a FAQ that answers the question of Jaenelle's age. http://www.annebishop.com/extra.faq.blood.html
She writes:  Q. Is Jaenelle from one of the long-lived races?

A. No, she is from Chaillot, where the average life-span might be around 100-125 years. Only the Dhemlans, Hayllians and Eyriens have exceptionally long (4500-5000 years) life-spans.


The Hayllians -- like Daemon and Saetan -- have a particular ethnic look about them.  Their hair is black, their skin is golden-brown, their eyes are gold.  Jaenelle, as we know, is fair-skinned, blonde-haired, blue-eyed.

I suppose it's possible that Jeanelle could become a Guardian, but I wonder why...what the purpose would be.  I mean, Saetan became a Guardian in large part because he was waiting for Witch.  Same with Cassandra, I think.  But since Jaenelle IS Witch, what would the Guardians be waiting for?

The age thing is always a stumbling block.  I remember when I was a teenager and first read the Belgariad by David Eddings, the question of how long Ce'Nedra would live -- compared to Garion -- was a big question.  As a dryad, Ce'Nedra could expect to live for a few hundred years, certainly.  But Garion, as a sorceror and one of Aldur's desciples, could be expected to live for thousands of years.  Quite a disparity.

I've had the same thought at times about Mercy and Adam.  Adam, as a werewolf, is immortal in the sense that he does not really age.  He could, possibly -- if he survived all the dominance battles -- live for hundreds of years.  But we've had no indication that Mercy is similarly long-lived as a walker.


Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on February 14, 2008, 11:38:12 am
Another thing I wonder about:  Sylvia.

She and Saetan were in love by the 3rd book.  She'd asked him to marry her.  He was willing.  But then everything went down with the purge.  Since Jaenelle survived -- and is likely still dosing Saetan with tonics -- wouldn't he have regained the vitality he had before Dorothea and Hekatah got their hands on him at the end of the 3rd book?  Couldn't he be with Sylvia again?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on February 14, 2008, 12:34:30 pm
Hmm, I seem to recall that the Ring of Obedience Hekatah and Dorothea had put on him had done quite some damage, and that was why he didn't want to "impose" himself on Sylvia., but I wouldn't know if it would be irreparable. :-\
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on February 14, 2008, 12:37:51 pm
Hmm, I seem to recall that the Ring of Obedience Hekatah and Dorothea had put on him had done quite some damage, and that was why he didn't want to "impose" himself on Sylvia., but I wouldn't know if it would be irreparable.

I do remember that, too.  I just wondered if Jaenelle's tonics could fix things.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on February 15, 2008, 07:42:07 am
Yeah I wondered about that- perhaps this will be answered in Tangled Webs or Greyhaven (the next Black Jeweled book) Maybe we should ask Anne about this at the LKH board?

And Nifty that pic  is hilarious - the fluffy wings LOL.
I was thinking Kate Beckinsale for Surreal - And I am still thinking for an actress for Jaenelle, although I think Gigi Edgely from Farscape could be a good fit ?

http://www.gencon.com/images/2006/indy/MGOH-Gigi-Edgley.jpg
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on February 15, 2008, 07:54:26 am
Yeah I wondered about that- perhaps this will be answered in Tangled Webs or Greyhaven (the next Black Jeweled book) Maybe we should ask Anne about this at the LKH board?

And Nifty that pic  is hilarious - the fluffy wings LOL.
I was thinking Kate Beckinsale for Surreal - And I am still thinking for an actress for Jaenelle, although I think Gigi Edgely from Farscape could be a good fit ?

http://www.gencon.com/images/2006/indy/MGOH-Gigi-Edgley.jpg

I couldn't see the pic of Gigi, but I could definitely see Kate as Surreal.

I'm not sure Grayhaven is going to follow the same timeline as the BJT and Tangled Webs.  Since Grayhaven is a sequel to The Invisible Ring -- or prequel??  And The Invisible Ring happened CENTURIES before the events of the BJT. 

What??  You don't see Lucivar with fluffy wings?  *snort*

Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on February 15, 2008, 08:03:58 am
I think Greyhaven is set after Tangled Webs and it will follow the decendants from the characters in The Invisible Ring- I think Anne mentioned this in news thread at the LKH board- I think I need to skim through that again to make sure.

I found her official site and this is her photo gallery- although there are some pics of her as Chiana from Farscape (shes in heavy grey makeup) but there are mostly some promo shots of her.
http://www.gigiedgley.com/index.php?page=6
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on February 15, 2008, 08:09:06 am
You know, Gigi could work.  Jaenelle isn't really pretty, necessarily.  When she's first introduced, the comment is made that she's quite plain and that her face looks a little odd, as if it doesn't all go together.  And Gigi has some interesting features -- not classically lovely and symmetrical, I mean.  But I do think she looks a little old.  There's something about her face that looks older in years.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on February 15, 2008, 08:14:33 am
Yeah- I think she came to my mind because she had almost elfish features and also she was quite young when she started Farscape - she was in early 20s- I think shes in her late 20's or has turned 30. But I think Jaenelle will sort of look older than her years- after all she has went through and she is Witch as well. So I think it works- but she may not be classically pretty but I think there is something there that is eyecatching. And she is a great actress to boot! :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on February 15, 2008, 08:21:18 am
Hmm, I like your choice Has!! ;D And, she has the right age: Jaenelle is 25 in Queen of Darkness, so if Ms. Edgley is in her late 20s she should work. :) The problem would be when she's younger but, heck!!, they made John Travolta look like a woman and Nicole Kidman look like Virginia Woolf, I don't think making an actress appear a little younger is an impossible challenge. ;)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on February 15, 2008, 08:24:27 am
they made John Travolta look like a woman and Nicole Kidman look like Virginia Woolf, I don't think making an actress appear a little younger is an impossible challenge. ;)

Not at all.  I can't think of her name, but the actress who played Giselle in Enchanted with Patrick Dempsey?  In real life she's, like, 30, but they made her look MUCH younger.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on February 15, 2008, 08:30:14 am
they made John Travolta look like a woman and Nicole Kidman look like Virginia Woolf, I don't think making an actress appear a little younger is an impossible challenge. ;)

Not at all.  I can't think of her name, but the actress who played Giselle in Enchanted with Patrick Dempsey?  In real life she's, like, 30, but they made her look MUCH younger.

Nifty, that'd be Amy Adams:

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c297/Cerulean_05/amyadams_330.jpg)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on February 15, 2008, 08:35:09 am
And with CGI these days there is less and less need for make up or even lighting.- I also think her fellow castmate Claudia Black will be a good Hekatah- I personally think she is gorgeous and I have a girl crush on her :) - and again she isnt conventionally beautiful but I love her features.

http://www.claudiablack.de/

Wow Im on a roll today- usually I have trouble thinking up choices!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on February 15, 2008, 08:47:55 am
I recognize her (Claudia Black) from Stargate.  I could see her as Hekatah...if you add some bald spots and oozing sores.  Ha!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on February 15, 2008, 08:53:32 am
I know its cruel isnt it especially how nasty Hekatah was in person and personality. But she must have been interesting and attractive to Saetan in order for him to be married to her!

Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on February 15, 2008, 10:10:47 am
Well, in the beginning Hekatah was attractive, it's only halfway through the trilogy that she gains those "sexy" bald spots and oozing sores ;D They add to her personality though ;)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: charmed on February 15, 2008, 07:30:41 pm
they made John Travolta look like a woman and Nicole Kidman look like Virginia Woolf, I don't think making an actress appear a little younger is an impossible challenge. ;)

Not at all.  I can't think of her name, but the actress who played Giselle in Enchanted with Patrick Dempsey?  In real life she's, like, 30, but they made her look MUCH younger.

Nifty, that'd be Amy Adams:

wow, she looked a LOT younger in the film.

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c297/Cerulean_05/amyadams_330.jpg)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Grey Drakkon on February 16, 2008, 10:19:47 am
I think this series would be a good candidate for the cgi treatment, like Beowulf.  After all, there's magic, winged races, and strange skin tones that could all be "fixed" with it.  Plus you could use the same actors for the young version vs. older, just tweak 'em a bit. 

   By the way, I always mentally pronounced Surreal as "sur-real" and Erien as "eerie-un". 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Triakel on February 17, 2008, 09:31:24 am
*Extremely excited*
Guess what, guess what!
I just found "Tangled web in my sci-fi bookstore!!! I haven't opened it yet, and can't decide if I should save it for a few days or read it all night!

TTFN, I'm off to contemplate how to spend my evening  ;D
/L
Ps. I'm with Has on Beckinsal and Black, and LOVED the pics for D and L.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: beverlyp on February 20, 2008, 04:16:13 am
okay, i been reading you posts and this series sounds so good, but I am having a really hard time getting into it.  maybe its because i got book 1 from ebay half and its kinda smelly.  Its supposed to be new, but i never smelled a new book that smelled like an old, old, old, newspaper.  anyone got any ideas on how to de-stink it without causing damage?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on February 20, 2008, 04:39:31 am
Hmm, maybe airing it like an old mattress? ??? Try letting it breathe for a couple days, maybe it's been stored in some old basement or something like that... :P
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on February 20, 2008, 06:46:42 am
okay, i been reading you posts and this series sounds so good, but I am having a really hard time getting into it. 

Beverly, I bought them the first time in 2003, maybe.  I read them, but they didn't grab me.  Instead of turning them into the UBS, though, I stuck them on my bookshelves, and then a couple years later when I was looking for something to read, I tried them again and LOVED them.  I don't know why they didn't hook me the first time, but the 2nd time around I just really, really dug the story.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Jazzlet on February 20, 2008, 06:52:21 am
okay, i been reading you posts and this series sounds so good, but I am having a really hard time getting into it.  maybe its because i got book 1 from ebay half and its kinda smelly.  Its supposed to be new, but i never smelled a new book that smelled like an old, old, old, newspaper.  anyone got any ideas on how to de-stink it without causing damage?

Try baking soda, sprinkle on leave for a while (somewhere dry), brush off.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on February 20, 2008, 12:10:32 pm
okay, i been reading you posts and this series sounds so good, but I am having a really hard time getting into it.  maybe its because i got book 1 from ebay half and its kinda smelly.  Its supposed to be new, but i never smelled a new book that smelled like an old, old, old, newspaper.  anyone got any ideas on how to de-stink it without causing damage?

I put mine open over a candle I had, which helped some. I put some dried flowers & herbs in another. As for not getting into it right away, I had the same issue. I was entirely too confused about her world and who was whom ... I got midway through, I think, when it hit me. Just try and press on :) and you can join us addicts  :-*
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on February 20, 2008, 12:57:09 pm
Hmm, seems like I'm the only one who got hooked with the books right from the first page :o I also had some problems getting into the world of the Blood, but worked them out pretty soon :P
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on February 20, 2008, 01:04:25 pm
I had trouble as well - I kept getting confused with the worlds esp Kaeleer and Terrielle as seperate worlds. But I got sucked in straight after my confusion dissipated. I cannot wait for Tangled Webs!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on February 20, 2008, 01:20:36 pm
Strange enough, the thing that most gave me problems was...dresses!!! :o I can't quite figure out the way they tend to dress: Daemon is often described with some kind of suit, much like the one you would expect a businessman to wear, but then there's someone dressed in typical "fantasy" fashion...or maybe it's just me that's getting it all wrong?! ???
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on February 20, 2008, 01:25:57 pm
I think the dresses was a combo of medieval/modern styles that was what my imagination was telling me. I think her Landscape series has the same tailer/seamstress :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on February 20, 2008, 01:30:01 pm
So I wasn't imagining things...!!! :D That comforts me a little... ;)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on February 20, 2008, 01:32:21 pm
Oh and I forgot to mention - there was a definite mention of denim I just dont know if it was in the Black Jewels trilogy or it was the Landscape dualogy - that threw me off a bit lol
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on February 20, 2008, 01:38:20 pm
The Landscape duology would be the one made up of Sebastian and Belladonna, right? Sorry, I still have to read them, I'm waiting for them to be both released in paperback version ;) But I recall someone saying something like that too *mazoku scratching her head*
It just threw me off a little, 'cos I was never sure if I was thinking them dressed properly or not. :-[ In the Tir Alainn trilogy it was easier, since they were dressed in typical medieval/fantasy fashion :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on February 20, 2008, 01:44:04 pm
yep the Landscape duology is Sebastion and Belladonna - I think Anne mentioned on the LKH board that she may go back to it sometime in the future.
I think because the setting is medieval and you would expect that it would have that same style but since both series also has magic for modern uses for example there are demon bikers hybrids (people can ride on them)  in the Landscape series.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on February 20, 2008, 01:46:47 pm
That was it, I remember something about bikers!!! 8)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: beverlyp on February 20, 2008, 02:07:38 pm
has anyone read Pillars of the world?  I got that series ordered, should be here this week sometime, i wonder if i would like it better since i am a hopeless Merry Gentry Fan.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on February 20, 2008, 02:14:36 pm
The Pillars of the World is the first book of the Tir Alainn trilogy: it's very good, more on the classical side of fantasy than the Black Jewels trilogy, at least IMO, but totally different from the Merry Gentry's novels, although it has fae in it. :) It's very different altogether from the Black Jewels books, so it's not so easy to make a comparison: I liked both trilogies, even if the Black Jewels one is my favorite, I enjoyed a lot also Tir Alainn. I'd suggest you to read them both ;)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: beverlyp on February 21, 2008, 04:23:54 am
I ordered the whole series, also  Dreams made flesh and The invisible ring.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on February 21, 2008, 06:07:17 am
Strange enough, the thing that most gave me problems was...dresses!!! :o I can't quite figure out the way they tend to dress: Daemon is often described with some kind of suit, much like the one you would expect a businessman to wear, but then there's someone dressed in typical "fantasy" fashion...or maybe it's just me that's getting it all wrong?! ???

That's one of the things I love about this series.  On the one hand, it's very typical "medieval fantasy."  On the other hand, they have such modern inventions as flushing toilets.  I liked that juxtaposition of "fantasy" and "real world". 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Grey Drakkon on February 21, 2008, 05:56:49 pm
Hmm, seems like I'm the only one who got hooked with the books right from the first page :o I also had some problems getting into the world of the Blood, but worked them out pretty soon :P

   Hah you so are NOT the only one!  I wound up staying up all night reading the first one, even though I had work the next day!  I just couldn't bear to put it down.  Did I learn my lesson with how groggy I was all the next day?  Nope, I ran out and bought the next one, and did it again!  >_< 

   The thing with how modern some of the stuff is, I explain that by magic being their version of science.  Except in this case only some people can make science work, I think in the books the non-blood villages were quite a bit more primitive than the average blood home. 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Taphien on February 22, 2008, 04:13:58 am
I ordered the whole series, also  Dreams made flesh and The invisible ring.

In my opinion The invisible ring is the best book to start the series, because it gives you a nice feel for the world.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on February 28, 2008, 12:23:16 pm
I got an email from the bookstore telling me that Tangled Webs is in.  Woot!!  I know what I'm going to be doing tonight.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Firewire on February 28, 2008, 03:09:27 pm
Tangled Webs is out??????
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on February 28, 2008, 03:16:09 pm
Yep! although it was slated to be out till next week. Amazon UK is saying they wont have it until a week or so- I really want this and Kim Harrison latest but that wont be published until April in the UK. Cheese and me were complaining about that earlier. But at least Tangled Webs will be here sooner.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Firewire on February 28, 2008, 03:48:14 pm
My bookstore always gets books in late I bet they don't have it yet.  >:( I am still going to check tonight though.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on February 28, 2008, 04:05:49 pm
I just checked the amazon UK page and it looks like they will have it in stock at the earliest next week- although some of the UK sellers have it already. You may find the book store could have it although the release date is not till 4th March. I hope you do find it ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: CheeseBK on February 29, 2008, 12:02:56 am
hmmmmm, your talking about these books makes me wanna go to amazon and order,order,order... don't have any anne bishop books so far. guess I'll order the first one soonish ;)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on February 29, 2008, 03:43:16 am
Get get get it!!!! ;D

I think there is an omnibus edition which I got - Its a HUGE book but I'm glad I got it because I didnt have to wait for amazon to ship me the sequels. But its a fantastic series :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on February 29, 2008, 06:08:29 am
Yep, the Black Jewels trilogy has been released also in an omnibus edition, it's the one I have :)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Black-Jewels-Trilogy-Anne-Bishop/dp/0451529014/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1204293731&sr=1-3 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Black-Jewels-Trilogy-Anne-Bishop/dp/0451529014/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1204293731&sr=1-3)
Aaaww, I want Tangled webs too, but my internet bookstore never have anything early!! >_________<

*mazoku checking her internet bookstore*

OMG!!! It's a miracle!! They have it already!!! :o And it's already eligible for ordering!!! This has never happened before, it has to mean we're all going to die!!! NooooooOOOOOO!!!!
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Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on February 29, 2008, 06:09:56 am
Tangled Webs was exactly what I wanted it to be -- that is, it was a catch-up with the characters.  It wasn't as dramatic (or traumatic) or action-packed as the trilogy.  The villain was not as dastardly as Hekatah and Dorothea.  But Jaenelle and Daemon and Lucivar and Marian and Daemonar and Saetan and Sylvia and Beale and Mrs. Beal and Draca and Jazen and Tersa and Surreal were all there, and that was just awesome for me.

I could read about these characters forever, so I hope Anne continues to writes stories about them.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: beverlyp on February 29, 2008, 06:57:00 am
omg you guys make this series sound so good...why ohhhh why can't I get into it???
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on February 29, 2008, 08:05:59 am
omg you guys make this series sound so good...why ohhhh why can't I get into it???

What are your problems with it, Beverly?

I know from reading the reviews at Amazon that some people are squicked out by the violence.  There's a lot of violence and gore, especially by Dorothea and Hekatah and their minions.

Other people are squicked out by the relationship between Daemon and Jaenelle in the first book.  That part never bothered me.  For some reason I was always able to separate the ageless Witch from Jaenelle so Daemon's relationship with her never crossed that line for me, even when Jaenelle was very young.

Sometimes I didn't always understand what was happening.  Not the action, I don't mean, but the emotional reactions, maybe.  Like...Saetan would get all worked up about something and I wasn't always sure WHAT he was worked up about.  I admit that my understanding of those parts has improved upon re-readings and more familiarity with the characters and the rhythm of the story.

And I think that the geography of the realms can be very confusing.  Tough to keep straight what each Realm is and how they're connected and all that stuff.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on February 29, 2008, 08:10:35 am
Yep- that was my difficulty. The setting and also the magic level with the jewels. I think it took me about halfway through the first book that I got to understand it the whole thing. I was never squicked out by the violence although there was some parts that I found uncomfortable like the rapes and castrations :P

Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: beverlyp on February 29, 2008, 08:50:51 am
none of the above....i don't know what it is..i started it, got about 25 pages couldn't stand the smell,  opened it up and let it air out, read carpe demon by julie kenner, started on it again, didn't grab me with anything, read storm front of the dresden files, now im gonna physically make myself read at least 10 chapters today, and see if i can get "hooked" by that I mean get to the point, that i actually think about whats going on when im not reading.  hopefully its just a slow starter for me.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on February 29, 2008, 09:07:19 am
I have a feeling beverly that you will get hooked - ;)  If its the smell - although the worldbuilding can be a bit confusing because its set on 2 parallel worlds and a hell dimension. And there is alot of travel to and fro.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Firewire on February 29, 2008, 09:46:44 am
Ug my bookstore won't have it until march 4th. Bummer....again I wait
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on February 29, 2008, 10:21:56 am
It was a slow starter for me, too, Beverly.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Grey Drakkon on March 01, 2008, 04:16:59 pm
Wait, smell?  As in it literally smells?  Or are you talking about something else?  I know my books didn't smell unusual, and I have a very sensitive nose. 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: beverlyp on March 02, 2008, 04:49:35 am
lol, it literally had some stinky issues when i first got it, smelled like it had been stored with old newspapers and mothbolls. Its finally aired out enough that just smells like a book now.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Taphien on March 02, 2008, 06:08:44 am
omg you guys make this series sound so good...why ohhhh why can't I get into it???

Beverly,

my tip would be to start out with The Invisible Ring. It's a stand alone playing in the same world serveral hundred years before the trilogy. It's a great introduction to the world and some of it's charcters.

Taphien
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: jackie on March 02, 2008, 03:02:41 pm
Other people are squicked out by the relationship between Daemon and Jaenelle in the first book.  That part never bothered me.  For some reason I was always able to separate the ageless Witch from Jaenelle so Daemon's relationship with her never crossed that line for me, even when Jaenelle was very young.
******SPOILER*******










Yes, Daemon was sexually attracted to her, but was very clear about it being not only unacceptable, but very bad for both of them.  There was never any indication that he would ever act on his feeling until she was fully mature and ready to be approached as an adult. His feeling for her was nicely used as a foil for the wrongs of Briarwood, and to use the tension for the possible future relationship.  The books deal with some very ugly human activities, and the different ways the characters deal with victimization and healing are important aspects of the books.





*******end spoiler******


And I think that the geography of the realms can be very confusing.  Tough to keep straight what each Realm is and how they're connected and all that stuff.

Yes, I found that quite confusing as well at first.  But I think it is right for the books even if it's demanding of the reader.  Jaenelle's character and her relationship with Saetan helped me slog through till it started to make sense.  Very funny. ::)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Firewire on March 03, 2008, 08:44:44 am
Started reading Tangled Webs I had to buy it in hardcover because I am impatient...
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on March 03, 2008, 10:10:18 am
I got my book!  I got my book!  Now I'm going to be no good to anyone until I've finished Tangled Webs.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Firewire on March 03, 2008, 10:31:13 am
Yah I'm sitting here at work just itching for lunch so I can read more.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Dusk on March 05, 2008, 04:00:34 pm
Ha Ha you guys are lucky, i love Anne Bishop's Black Jewels trilogy and the short story in Powers of Detection....but we are unlucky enought that we have to wait another month for teh book to be released here......very sucky.....i have been waiting for months for this book!!!!! ;)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on March 07, 2008, 10:04:28 am
Finished the book and enjoyed it (as usual!!).  I just kinda wish that Surreal could find herself someone to love.

Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on March 07, 2008, 11:27:56 am
Just a heads up guys - Anne just announced at the LKH board that the next Black Jewels book will be called The Shadow Queen- the working title was called Greyhaven.

Edited because- I forgot to add this

It should be published in March of next year- but thats a tentative date  ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Firewire on March 07, 2008, 11:42:32 am
Thanks for the heads up Has!!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on March 13, 2008, 10:45:22 am
There is an authors chat - which will feature Anne tonight- also other Berkley Jove authors like Moira J. Moore, Anya Bast and Leigh will also be online.

http://www.writerspace.com/chat/readers


Time: 9 p.m. Eastern Time (USA time)

I wish I could participate and although I have an afternoon lesson Its still too late for me - it will be like till 3 or 4 in the morning for me :(
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on March 13, 2008, 11:06:34 am
Dang, it's too late for me too...and I also have to get up at 6 tomorrow morning...(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff133/onionethan/onion_Emoticons/064_.gif)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on March 13, 2008, 11:10:41 am
Maz- if you want to ask Anne a question go to the LKH board- she has her own section and she visits it regularly to give fans news and to interact. Kim Harrison and Charlaine Harris do the same as well. I mainly hang out in the other author section since quite a few authors hang out there as well.

http://forum.laurellkhamilton.org/forumdisplay.php?f=30
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Triakel on March 14, 2008, 03:19:39 pm
Hi guys. I'm gonna go back to the "casting" of Black Jewels thing  :)

I just saw the Katee Sackhoff in Bionic Woman, and it reminded me how I always thought Kara Thrace on Battlestar Galactica look like I imagine Karla in Black Jewels. You know, short blond hair, though as nails, not traditionally feminin but still not what I'd call butch. She cleans up nice (which we got to see in one episode), so it's all about attitude really. And that mischief gleam in her eyes, like she'd pull a practical joke on anyone, regardless of power sortof.

What'd ya think?

/L
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on March 22, 2008, 08:35:15 am
I think you hit the nail on head with that call.  All she'd have to do is spike the hair.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on March 22, 2008, 09:56:48 am
Ooooohh, you're right, I just saw her!! :o She's exactly like Karla was in my head :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on April 01, 2008, 11:12:38 am
Just a heads up guys :)
But at Kelley Armstrong's forum - Tangled Webs is the book discussion of the month. I think Anne will also participate in the discussion.

http://www.kelleyarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=134;t=22300;st=0;&#entry774563
I am still awaiting my copy :P  Its being held up because I ordered it with another book which isnt avaliable at the moment :(
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: charmed on April 05, 2008, 11:59:21 am
Over at the Kelley Armstrong discussion board, this month's selection is Tangled Webs. Here's the link (http://www.kelleyarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=134;t=22300;).
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on April 05, 2008, 12:32:52 pm
I still havent got my book - my whole order has been held up by a couple of books that they dont have in stock yet :(

But there is some good news!!!!
Anne has signed on to write a further 2 Black Jewels universe books. One will be another anthology which will include a holiday story with the Sa Diablo family, the second will be the sequel to The Shadow Queen, which will be out next year :D
And the third will be a stand alone story separate from Black Jewels universe.

http://forum.laurellkhamilton.org/showpost.php?p=1363509&postcount=116
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on April 26, 2008, 04:31:20 am
Anne has posted the front flap synopsis for the next Black Jewels book- It looks like it will focus on the aftermath of the events in the Shadow realm.

http://www.annebishop.com/s.b.shadow.queen.html
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: e_booklover on April 26, 2008, 10:19:17 am
Wow!
And now I have to wait something like 11 months to see the rest of it...Torture!  Thank you for the link and the information Has.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on April 26, 2008, 01:41:59 pm
I want it...but I still have to get Tangled webs (waiting for the paperback), so I guess I can't be too impatient now... :P
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: e_booklover on April 27, 2008, 11:55:40 am
Just like the other have said...Tangled Webs is good :).  Maybe you can borrow it from somebody before the paperback comes out.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on April 27, 2008, 12:47:44 pm
Unfortunately, that's impossible for me, since I live in Italy and none of my friends read books in their original language... :'( I'll settle to wait, it's not like my TBR pile doesn't reach the ceiling already ;) ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: beverlyp on May 07, 2008, 04:59:39 pm
okay girls i finally got started on daughter of the blood and i am over my hump and lovin it.  its one of the better starts to a series.  Now i see what u have all been ranting about, but I have some questions..


 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on May 08, 2008, 12:35:54 am
Ask away, we'll try to answer as best we can. ;) I'm glad you're enjoying the book like we did. ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: e_booklover on May 08, 2008, 07:03:53 am
Another convert Hooray!  ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on May 08, 2008, 08:01:13 am
I second the "another convert! hooray!" statement. 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: beverlyp on May 08, 2008, 01:11:57 pm
<does happy dance>  daemon got his ring off!!! yeah. 

started second book

boooo..lucivar thinks hes a bad guy now.

I really love these books..is the time frame current or historical, or alternate dimension? They seem modern in some ways but not in others. and are there any humans?  I remember the part were dark dancer is being disussed and they talk about kindred humans being able to look but not cross over..thats what got me thinking alternate reality type world.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on May 08, 2008, 01:23:11 pm
Anne's deliberately made it a mix. I like to think of it as an alternate dimension with a few modern things thrown in for color :) I think this and her Ephemera and her Pillars of the Earth series are similar. Alternate worlds, but with some historical or modern Earth touches.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: e_booklover on May 08, 2008, 03:06:37 pm
Beverlyp, the closest I could think of as regular humans would be the Landens (you will find more on them as you continue reading the books set in that world).
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on May 09, 2008, 05:10:16 am
I love the fact that Anne includes toilets.  Ha!  I'm just so accustomed to fantasy being rather "middle ages" in design -- swords, bows and arrows, horses, carriages, etc.  So I remember doing a double-take when I ran across the first reference to flushing toilets in the BJ world.  I think it's neat that she includes a mix of the present and the past in her "set design."
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: beverlyp on May 09, 2008, 12:42:11 pm
is cassandra witch or just a witch who wears a black jewel?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on May 10, 2008, 07:03:31 am
From what I understood, she was considered Witch, but she wasn't really Witch, just a very powerful witch who wore Black Jewels. :) Only Jaenelle is Witch and it's in order to wait for her coming that both Saetan and Cassandra became Guardians.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on May 12, 2008, 05:43:15 am
From what I understood, she was considered Witch, but she wasn't really Witch, just a very powerful witch who wore Black Jewels. :) Only Jaenelle is Witch and it's in order to wait for her coming that both Saetan and Cassandra became Guardians.

YEah, I got the feeling that Witch was both a title and an identity.  There were several black-jeweled queens called "Witch" -- mostly a title.  Cassandra wasn't the first.  But Jaenelle is the only one who has been/is Witch, as an identity.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: beverlyp on May 13, 2008, 07:33:30 am
 at the end of the last book draca explained the whole dreams made flesh thing to daemon better and i got a better understanding of it.  I finished reading and now im a little sad its over.  I am starting on pillars of the earth though, so all is not lost.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on May 13, 2008, 07:46:19 am
If you prefer to stay in the world of the Blood, you can read Dreams made flesh, that's an anthology of 4 short stories: 3 of them are set previously or during the events of the Trilogy, the 4th one right after that. ;) Or you can read The invisible ring, that tells the story of the Gray Lady and that gives inspiration to Daemon and Jaenelle as to how to get rid of the tainted Blood. :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: e_booklover on May 13, 2008, 08:48:13 am
Both of those are really good.  Out in hardback now is Tangled Webs which takes place after the last event in Dreams Made Flesh.  Anne Bishop is currently working on one set in the same area as The Invisible Ring but it takes place after everything you have already read.  I can't wait!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on May 13, 2008, 09:12:01 am
If you prefer to stay in the world of the Blood, you can read Dreams made flesh, that's an anthology of 4 short stories: 3 of them are set previously or during the events of the Trilogy, the 4th one right after that. ;) Or you can read The invisible ring, that tells the story of the Gray Lady and that gives inspiration to Daemon and Jaenelle as to how to get rid of the tainted Blood. :)

The Invisible Ring is a good "next step", too, because Anne is currently writing a sequel called The Shadow Queen. The Invisible Ring is set hundreds of years before the events of the trilogy, although the "setting" seems pretty much the same.  And the sequel, The Shadow Queen, will revolve around descendents of the characters from The Invisible Ring will be set in a post-purge Kaeleer.   Also, Daemon is featured slightly in The Invisible Ring.  I don't recall if Anne said that he (and the others) will make appearances in The Shadow Queen or not.

Here's the blurb for The Shadow Queen, due in March 2009, from Anne's website:

From the Front Flap:
In her national bestselling Black Jewels novels, Anne Bishop’s “surefire spell craft…leave readers’ hearts pounding.”* Now her “feverish pacing and terrifying twists” (*Publishers Weekly) are showcased once again. In a tumultuous world ruled by witches and warlocks who wear their power as jewels, one Queen’s chance at redemption is the last hope for a desperate people…

Dena Nehele is a land decimated by its past. Once it was ruled by corrupt Queens who were wiped out when the land was cleansed of tainted Blood. Now, only one hundred Warlord Princes stand—without a leader and without hope…

Theran Grayhaven is the last of his line, desperate to find the key that reveals a treasure great enough to restore Dena Nehele. But first he needs to find a Queen who knows Protocol, remembers the Blood’s code of honor, and lives by the Old Ways.

Languishing in the Shadow Realm, Lady Cassidy is a Queen without a court, a castoff. She is not beautiful. She thinks she is not strong. But when she is chosen to rule Dena Nehele, she must convince bitter men to serve once again.

Theran’s cousin Gray is a Warlord Prince who was damaged in mind and body by the vicious Queens who once ruled Dena Nehele. Yet something about Cassidy makes him want to serve—and makes him believe he can be made whole once again.

And only Cassidy can prove to Gray—and to herself—that wounds can heal and even the whisper of a promise can be fulfilled…


I got really excited when I read the blurb because it sounds like a fairly meaty story.  I enjoyed Tangled Webs, but I felt like it read like a long epilogue.  A little light on the intrigue and tension that the trilogy captured so well, but a great catch-up with favorite characters.  But The Shadow Queen has a more "trilogy-esque" feel to it, at least from the blurb.

 Here's the link:  http://www.annebishop.com/s.b.shadow.queen.html
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: beverlyp on May 13, 2008, 09:27:57 am
i have the invisible ring and dreams made flesh..which do i need to read first?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on May 13, 2008, 09:37:38 am
Read Dreams Made Flesh first.  It's a collection of short stories.  Lucivar's story is about how he and Marian met and fell in love.  It's probably my favorite, and one which I still re-read regularly.  And then "Kaeleer's Heart" is about Daemon and Jaenelle patching things up in the first couple months right after the purge.  Surreal and Lucivar feature pretty prominently in that one.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on May 13, 2008, 09:43:17 am
I'd read Dreams made flesh first, and then The invisible ring. This way you have a sense of continuity while reading the story, instead of going back and forth, temporarily speaking. :) Well, you go back and forth all the same, since 3 out of 4 stories of Dreams made flesh are also set in the past, but they're closer to the events in the Trilogy. ;)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on May 13, 2008, 11:09:48 am
I got really excited when I read the blurb because it sounds like a fairly meaty story.  I enjoyed Tangled Webs, but I felt like it read like a long epilogue.  A little light on the intrigue and tension that the trilogy captured so well, but a great catch-up with favorite characters.  But The Shadow Queen has a more "trilogy-esque" feel to it, at least from the blurb.

 Here's the link:  http://www.annebishop.com/s.b.shadow.queen.html

I got the same feel from Tangled Webs. I liked it because I like everything Daemon :), but the storyline was weak. I'm really looking forward to The Shadow Queen. I might have to re-read The Invisible Ring, too.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: beverlyp on May 13, 2008, 05:23:23 pm
do any of the stories tell what happened between saetan and sylvia? 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on May 13, 2008, 09:09:46 pm
I wouldn't know about Tangled Webs, since I still have to take it, but in Dreams made flesh no, there's no story about them: the first is about the Queen of those weaver of webs, the spiders...can't recall their names, sorry... :-[ The second one is about Lucivar and Marian, the third one is about Saetan and Hekatah and the last one is a little epilogue to the Trilogy. :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on May 14, 2008, 05:24:02 am
Beverly, that's touched on in Tangled Webs. 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: beverlyp on May 14, 2008, 05:27:55 am
ohh should i read it before i read dreams made flesh or does it not matter about those two..Im glad the saetan and sylvia is there, I was afraid he returned to hell all by himself.  I was really sad about his demon dead sons and brother. 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on May 14, 2008, 06:15:45 am
I'd read Dreams Made Flesh first.  The bit about Saetan and Sylvia in Tangled Webs is fairly small.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on May 14, 2008, 10:41:56 am
Anne also mentioned at the LKH board that after The Shadow Queen's sequel that there will be another anthology set in the Black Jewels universe- where one story will be a holiday themed that features Daemon and Jaenelle. I think thats right Nifty ?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on May 15, 2008, 05:31:53 am
Yeah, now that you mention it, I do recall her mentioning that.  Goody! 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: AdrienneEtienneHouseman on May 31, 2008, 03:01:06 am
I am fond of the Black Jewels Trilogy, but I haven't read any of her other work.  Maybe I will someday, I'm not sure.  It sort of depends on if it looks like the characters in her other books are as appealing.  It's no where near the top of my list though.

AEH
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: rox_squirrel on June 01, 2008, 04:59:17 pm
i loved loved loved the black jewels trilogy.  i also enjoyed sebastian but i haven't read belladonna yet.
i ordered tangled webs from my public library so i'm just waiting for it to be shipping to the one nearest me and then i will be in heaven reading it  :)

Queen of the Darkness still has the power to make me cry every few times i read it even though i know what is coming and have the ending nearly memorized
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: munkee on June 07, 2008, 11:47:32 am
DO NOT give up on her pillars of the world trilogy. I'll admit it, the first in the trilogy is hard to get into, but provides a very much needed background to her story. IT GETS BETTER! Definately worth sticking with. I love both her trilogies and the acompaning stories. She's one of the few authors I own every book she's ever written. They're all very very good.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: rox_squirrel on June 08, 2008, 01:21:22 pm
i just finished Tangled Webs and liked it a lot.  it's not as dark as the original trilogy but that makes a lot of sense.  i like how there is still some new stuff for us to learn about the characters and their interactions with each other
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on June 08, 2008, 03:28:24 pm
i also enjoyed sebastian but i haven't read belladonna yet.

In my opintion Belladonna wasn't as good. Belladonna (the character) wasn't as strong as she was in Sebastian.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: munkee on June 08, 2008, 03:50:39 pm
Zea! shame on you. Even us average ordinary bitches have mooments of doubt and fears.... can't be super strong all the time. there's not enough chocolate in the world for that.

besides, I liked her better in belladonna. she became real to me instead of this figment that everyone feared and avoided.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Elle on June 08, 2008, 04:08:44 pm
i also enjoyed sebastian but i haven't read belladonna yet.

In my opintion Belladonna wasn't as good. Belladonna (the character) wasn't as strong as she was in Sebastian.

I enjoyed Sebastian's story quite a bit. I read them both a while ago. I do agree with you Zealith about Belladonna's. Her character was a little flatter in her story than it was in Sebastian's, it was a good book but not a keeper for me.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on June 08, 2008, 07:43:15 pm
It just seemed like her personality shifted a bit. And that sort of thing drives me crazy. This is also the reason I didn't like PotC2 and didn't bother seeing PotC3.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Grey Drakkon on June 09, 2008, 04:19:58 pm

besides, I liked her better in belladonna. she became real to me instead of this figment that everyone feared and avoided.

   I LIKED her being feared and avoided!  I was pretty nauseated that it went to the standard "Oh woe is me, I'm super powerful and can alter reality with a whim, but I don't have the standard one husband two point five kids white picket fence (ACTUALLY SHE DOES HAVE THE PICKET FENCE, GAG!) ::sniff sniff::"  I had to double check that she wasn't an Anne Rice vampire she was so emo.  :P  I don't mind strong women needing some support from family and friends (and really, a mate should be a friend foremost) but she didn't seem to know anything about boundaries.  Seriously, if my brothers started crap with a love interest of mine like hers was, they'd be nursing broken fingers before they could turn around.   
   That's one of the things that bothered me quite a bit actually, that she was portrayed as being a very private person, but she didn't ACT like a private person.  (me being one, I'd know).   She acted like a horny lovesick teenager, and she's supposed to be older than me. :P  (can't really blame her for being horny since she was missing out for quite a while from what it sounded). ;) 

   Wow that turned into a rant. Guess her character bothered me more than I thought.  Oh, that reminds me, other characters that bothered me.  Sebastian and his wife "trying" to have a baby.  ::twitches:: Well that just removed all aspects of sexy surrounding him that I had been thinking. 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on June 09, 2008, 07:35:03 pm
I had a thought on the black jewels world, people of the Blood have two stones, their birht one, and the one they get after petitioning for it. And I was wondering how they got the birth one. Does it just appear in the crib? What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: munkee on June 10, 2008, 07:08:31 am
ah grey...life immitates art, or is it art immitates life? Either way, it can't be too unobtainable or else no one would read it. and what's wrong with sebastian as a daddy. I think it'd be hella funny. i mean can you imagine a little boy???? he can't have a little girl, that'd be too predictable, but to have a son...lol, it'd be hilarious.

I thought the children recieved their birth stone (so to speak) at the naming ceremony, am I wrong?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on June 10, 2008, 12:29:07 pm
I have no clue, which is why I asked.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: jackie on June 10, 2008, 02:22:45 pm
They get it when they are first tested as a young child.  Usually 5-10 years is my impression.  I can't remeber where I got that from, though.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: rox_squirrel on June 10, 2008, 06:04:34 pm
i don't remember exact age but sometime when they're pretty young.  i don't think there's any mention of Deamonar having a jewel so he's probably still too young.  they get the birth jewel at the same time paternity is declared and all that stuff.  there's some fancy ritual for it.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Grey Drakkon on June 10, 2008, 08:08:23 pm
Rox you're correct.  I remember when Daemon confronted his father about his disappearing on him when he was a kid, Saetan set the scene by saying he saw Daemon go through the naming ritual and saw him with his jewel, but then he couldn't claim him because what's her face wouldn't name Saetan as the father.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on June 10, 2008, 08:25:14 pm
Ah, thank you. ^^
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on June 11, 2008, 08:44:44 am
The cover for The Shadow Queen is up!!!

http://www.annebishop.com/s.b.shadow.queen.html
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: e_booklover on June 11, 2008, 01:45:34 pm
March?!?!?!?  hmm could be a good birthday present...but still...christmas would be better.  Thanks Has.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Elle on June 11, 2008, 04:35:42 pm
Oh...that sounds really good. Has, thanks for posting. :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: rox_squirrel on June 11, 2008, 08:08:39 pm
i cannot wait!!!!!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: emmad on September 14, 2008, 12:04:53 am
Just starting to read the black jewel series and struggling to put it down lol
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on September 14, 2008, 04:06:39 am
Just starting to read the black jewel series and struggling to put it down lol

Don't worry emmad, it's a common reaction ;D :D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: emmad on September 14, 2008, 01:47:44 pm
Finished the first book and starting the second  ;)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: emmad on September 15, 2008, 12:05:08 pm
Stayed up till 1am this morning and finished the second book.  Now starting the third but am rather tired at work this morning after 5 hours sleep lol
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on September 15, 2008, 12:38:40 pm
I remember reading all 1000 pages in under a week and I didnt get much rest either :D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on September 15, 2008, 01:09:26 pm
I remember reading it during the night coz I had to study during the day: so many short-nights that august '07!! :D And now, you've made me want to read the Trilogy again...guess I'll do so soon ;)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: emmad on September 17, 2008, 02:46:45 pm
Finished  ;D

Now I want something else of hers lol
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on September 17, 2008, 03:20:16 pm
Well, there's The invisible ring, that's set in the world of the Blood previously to the Trilogy, then there's Dreams made flesh, with 4 short stories in it set in that same world and the 4th one is a sort of epilogue to the Black Jewels Trilogy, and after that Tangled Webs, featuring the same characters and focusing on Surreal, if I'm recalling this right. ;)
Or, the Tir Alainn trilogy is good as well. 8) *sigh* I really need to find the time to reread the Black Jewels Trilogy. ::)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cole on September 17, 2008, 05:09:28 pm
the trilogies were great it was one of the very few sets of series that brought me to tears
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: emmad on September 18, 2008, 12:15:08 am
I'll see what the library has :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on September 18, 2008, 08:45:17 am
Also Anne will be releasing another Jewels book next year. It will feature the descendants from the characters of The Invisible Ring and the rest of the gang will show up as well.

It will be called The Shadow Queen and Anne is busy writing up the followup ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on September 19, 2008, 10:13:48 am
*cue happy dance*
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: OTenshi on September 19, 2008, 09:36:17 pm
*cue happy dance*

*dances her happy dance*
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Goddess of the Night on September 21, 2008, 09:27:51 am
You guys have made me want to give her books try. Which of her series do you think would be best to start with?
(The Landscapes of Ephemera, The World of the Fae, The Realms of the Blood)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on September 21, 2008, 09:34:03 am
Definitely the Realms of the Blood- also know as the Black Jewels trilogy/series

Although the other series are good- I think this series is one of the best fantasy around ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on September 21, 2008, 11:25:39 am
You guys have made me want to give her books try. Which of her series do you think would be best to start with?
(The Landscapes of Ephemera, The World of the Fae, The Realms of the Blood)


Definitely read the Black Jewels Trilogy first (aka, Realms of the Blood): it's really one of the best books I read in years :) I'm trying to push it around to my friends, but those stubborn women refuse to read in english and that's driving me mad mad mad... (http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm224/goodmazoku/Onion%20Heads/th112_-1.gif)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: emmad on September 21, 2008, 12:20:38 pm
I'm just starting Invisible Ring and have the Dreams made Flesh to read after that :)

Also got the first in the Tir Alainn trilogy so will be onto that afterwards.  Obviously my library have a lot of her books  ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Goddess of the Night on September 21, 2008, 01:45:44 pm
Definitely the Realms of the Blood- also know as the Black Jewels trilogy/series
Definitely read the Black Jewels Trilogy first (aka, Realms of the Blood): it's really one of the best books I read in years

Thank you both  :D
The Realms of the Blood/Black Jewels have now moved to the top of my to buy/borrow list. I seem to enjoy other authors that both of you (Has and Mazoku) have said good things about.... so if both of you like the series so much odds are I will too!!  ;)  Good that's something to look forward to  :D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on September 21, 2008, 02:59:37 pm
If you like most of what Has and I read, chances are good that you'll like what Cerulean reads too, so watch out for her comments on books ;)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Goddess of the Night on September 21, 2008, 03:45:38 pm
I'll keep my eyes open, thanks   :D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: emmad on September 25, 2008, 03:10:39 pm
Well I've read Invisible Ring now and Dreams Made Fleash lol.  I want more!!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on September 26, 2008, 03:07:58 am
I want more!!

Don't we all? ;) There's still Tangled Webs to keep you busy in the Realms of the Blood though :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: OTenshi on September 26, 2008, 04:41:34 pm
Yes, I keep going back and re-reading particular passages that made me giggle in Tangled Webs.  Very good book.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: emmad on September 26, 2008, 11:51:00 pm
oh I'll have to check the library for tangled webs.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Runningwolf on October 12, 2008, 05:45:53 am
I have read the Tir Alainn triology and find it quite enjoyable.. now I see alot of people mention the Black Jewels triology.. what's it about? Is it worth reading? ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on October 12, 2008, 07:51:19 am
It's probably one of the best series I've ever read.  Much better than the Tir Ailainn trilogy.  Make sure you have plenty of time to read it, tho.  Once started, you'll be hooked.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on October 12, 2008, 08:04:46 am
I second that!!!!

Its one of the best fantasy series I ever read as well and you will fall in love with the characters especially Daemon and Lucivar ;D
I'm just happy there are more books in the horizon!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Runningwolf on October 12, 2008, 08:55:24 am
Seems like amazon.com will get a visit when I get my next paycheck then lol
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on October 12, 2008, 09:05:37 am
Runningwolf there is an omnibus edition- however its HUGE its about 1000 pages but I was glad I bought it because it worked out slightly cheaper than getting all 3 books in the original trilogy - Also it helped that I didnt have to buy the next book to see what happens next :D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: OTenshi on October 13, 2008, 05:02:22 am
What Has said, plus an aside about not loosing one of the three books since they're all bound together.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ArtAngel on October 15, 2008, 12:14:38 am
All right, all right. You've all twisted my virtual arm enough. I guess I better read some of these :D.

Actually after reading all your comments I went and ordered the whole Realms of Blood series :-[. It's in the mail ;D.

Hi! My name is Artangel (listening for all your answering hellos). I want to talk about impulse buying whole series of books at once....
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on October 15, 2008, 07:18:29 am
If you like most of what Has and I read, chances are good that you'll like what Cerulean reads too, so watch out for her comments on books ;)

Thanks twin/triplet! I'll weigh in and say (probably again) that I love these books. There's something about the way that Anne writes that pulls you in and makes you really care about the characters. You know how you can watch a good movie and yell out at the screen? It's the same with her books. Great stuff. I can't wait for the new book.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on October 15, 2008, 09:42:33 am
http://forum.laurellkhamilton.org/showthread.php?t=25601&page=18

Anne is offering signed bookplates for fans and for friends if you want to gift someone with a signed copy :D- I want one but I am not sure if she is able to post across the pond. But ask before 10th of November - she will be busy on the next Black Jewels book.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on October 15, 2008, 07:17:14 pm
I looked up the interview and it says that she had a story in an anthology titled "Imaginary Friends" published last month.

Anyone read it?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: emmad on October 15, 2008, 08:16:55 pm
Whats a book plate?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Kate on October 15, 2008, 08:29:38 pm
A book plate is a signed card that you can put into the inside front cover of your book, isn't it?

After a lot of the positive reviews on Anne Bishop on this board, I saw one of hers on the shelf at B&N and picked it up: Sebastian, part of the Ephemera series. I'm really enjoying it a lot, and the word on this board is that the Black Jewels series is even better. Goody!! New writer/series!! (I am SUCH an addict.)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: OTenshi on October 15, 2008, 08:55:12 pm
That is a good series, I'm waiting for more to come out.  The Black Jewels series is better in my opinion, but while the characters may seems similar (at least to me) I found that the over all flavor was different. 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Goddess of the Night on October 15, 2008, 09:28:59 pm
Actually after reading all your comments I went and ordered the whole Realms of Blood series :-[. It's in the mail ;D.

Hi! My name is Artangel (listening for all your answering hellos). I want to talk about impulse buying whole series of books at once....

You too! ... well now I don't feel so bad. ;) My books should be here in a day or two (though I won't be able to read them right away, Midnight's Daughter by Karen Chance is on the top of that pile... I have a few of them :D )
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on October 15, 2008, 09:37:27 pm
I was so happy when I found Daughter of the Blood at the used book store. *hums* Now I'm in the mood to read the rest, but while they have them at the library in my hometown, my collage town's library doesn't carry her. *cries*
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: OTenshi on October 15, 2008, 10:10:47 pm
Zealith are you in the US?  I have a much loved (five years of moving, two dogs, two cats, and me rereading it every few months took their toll) copy I could lend you.  Trust me, you'll end up buying your own later, so I have no compunctions lending you my copy.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on October 16, 2008, 05:59:27 am
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That is a good series, I'm waiting for more to come out.  The Black Jewels series is better in my opinion, but while the characters may seems similar (at least to me) I found that the over all flavor was different. 

OTenshi - you have me curious.  Why do the characters seem similar and to whom? 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: OTenshi on October 16, 2008, 02:57:22 pm
The Ephemera chars seem similar enough to the Black Jewels (first world of hers I read) chars to me.  Unlike the Eddings's I didn't find them to be the same char with a different name, and a recycled story line, they just seemed very familiar.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on October 16, 2008, 09:31:01 pm
yeah I live in the U.S., but I'd rather not send things over mail, too much might go wrong. >< I'm going downtown this weekend, so I can check the local bookstores for them.

Thank you for the offer though, OTenshi.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ArtAngel on October 19, 2008, 06:09:45 pm
The Black Jewels series is now in the mail!!!! Just a few more days...
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: emmad on October 19, 2008, 06:33:28 pm
I stayed up till 12.45am on Saturday reading the final in the Tir Allian (spelling) series.  While not quite as compelling as the blood jewel series I still couldn't put down.

Left me wanting to know more about the characters lol
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: rox_squirrel on October 20, 2008, 04:55:49 pm
i can't wait for the new book that comes out next year.  it doesn't have the same characters as the trilogy i don't think, but i think it will still be a really good read.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ArtAngel on October 27, 2008, 11:30:34 am
Wow, I just finished the Black Jewel Series. Fascinating story and it really turns all the cliches upside down doesn't it? Now from what I have read Tangled Web is about Surreal, right? She is my favorite character, so I can't wait to read it!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: rox_squirrel on October 27, 2008, 11:44:04 am
it does have a large chunk of Surreal and Rainer as well as all of our favorite characters from the original trilogy.  if you like the trilogy you should also read Dreams Made Flesh which has short stories with the same characters.

yay we converted someone  ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on October 27, 2008, 01:54:36 pm
Yes definitely get the Dreams Made Flesh anthology- there are stories like Lucivar meeting and falling in love with Marion, how Saetan lost custody of his children and a story that starts off straight after the final book in the trilogy about  Daemon and Jaenelle and their wedding.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ArtAngel on October 27, 2008, 04:36:21 pm
Yes definitely get the Dreams Made Flesh anthology- there are stories like Lucivar meeting and falling in love with Marion, how Saetan lost custody of his children and a story that starts off straight after the final book in the trilogy about  Daemon and Jaenelle and their wedding.

I ordered it with the trilogy as well as Invisible Ring ;D. I just have not gotten around to reading it yet. That's why I can't buy any books in Nov, I got everything but Tangled Web at the same time :-[
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: OTenshi on October 27, 2008, 06:13:26 pm
*obsesive look*

Read them all, they're all worth it!  The Invisible Ring is good, I believe it was the first book I read set in that world.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: rox_squirrel on October 27, 2008, 06:17:04 pm
i don't remember the order i read them in.  i just remember that when i was reading the Invisible Ring i was always worried about reading it during school and having somebody read the back and assume it was porn (the back refers to sex slaves).  :-[  ::)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on October 27, 2008, 06:36:23 pm
I never even noticed that. >.< Guess it's a good thing I read it over the summer.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: rox_squirrel on October 27, 2008, 06:42:37 pm
it was especially potentially embarrassing as this was during high school and one of my teachers had a habit of taking whatever book i was reading during a break and reading the back outloud (or a page of the book).  it made me very careful of what books i read in front of him  :D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on October 27, 2008, 06:45:45 pm
I can completely understand that! *blushes*
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ArtAngel on October 27, 2008, 07:39:34 pm
Ouch! I can think of a few places in these books you would not want to be read out loud in class!
*obsesive look*

Read them all, they're all worth it!  The Invisible Ring is good, I believe it was the first book I read set in that world.

I will ;D. I've read the first three in three days ::). Now I have to work :'(. The others will be devoured during my next days off.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on October 28, 2008, 07:17:05 am
Ah, another convert to the dark side!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cole on October 28, 2008, 06:20:48 pm
My favorite of all her characters from both trilogies would have to be Morag and i was pissed about how she died
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on October 29, 2008, 08:15:13 am
I liked Morag too, I was terribly sad with the way she ended. :'(
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ArtAngel on November 07, 2008, 09:13:22 pm
Well I finished Invisible Ring and Dreams made Flesh. I really enjoyed both of them! Tangled Webs is in the mail... I was supposed to wait until the paperback came out but lost the argument with myself :D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on November 08, 2008, 02:54:01 am
I was supposed to wait until the paperback came out but lost the argument with myself :D

Don't worry, it happens regularly among us. ;D :D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: rox_squirrel on November 08, 2008, 06:24:06 am
the library helped me with that argument.  i've already read it from the library and now i wait to buy it till its out in paperback (so it matches all the other Black Jewels books - kinda rather, i have all the old covers of the trilogy)  ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Taphien on November 08, 2008, 06:32:14 am
There are sample chapters up at Anne Bishop's site for her upcoming book Shadow Queen :)

http://www.annebishop.com/s.excerpt.shadow.queen.html

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: rox_squirrel on November 08, 2008, 09:26:39 am
YAY! finally excerpts  :D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on November 08, 2008, 12:53:55 pm
Ohhh Thank you Taphien - sounds great. This books sounds slightly darker in tone compared to the previous books.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on November 08, 2008, 02:28:41 pm
Oh man, that was great! It'll be hard to wait until March to read the rest.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Elle on November 08, 2008, 09:35:13 pm
Oh...that was fantastic. I'm really looking forward to this book. Thanks for the link!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: OTenshi on November 08, 2008, 11:18:07 pm
OOOOO, I want more!  I can't wait for March, now.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on November 09, 2008, 12:40:31 am
Neither can I. *sigh*
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: rox_squirrel on November 09, 2008, 01:30:02 pm
can't wait for more of the story now  :'(
i want the rest of the story now!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: e_booklover on November 12, 2008, 09:43:50 am
Oh my!  Now I really can't wait until March.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ArtAngel on November 12, 2008, 02:01:32 pm
Just finished Tangled Webs. Love it!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on November 23, 2008, 09:24:02 am
Just finished her Ephemera duology: I liked it, it was interesting to see how she could fuse together modern things with fantasy settings. And, man, but I couldn't stop laughing every time they were eating at Philo's...I loved the atmosphere of the Den! :D As any good smuthound would, obviously... ;) ;D

Now I hope Tangled Webs will be released as a paperback soon... (http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm224/goodmazoku/Onion%20Heads/th018_.gif)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on November 23, 2008, 12:15:09 pm
Maz I think Tangled Webs will come out as paperback the same time The Shadow Queen will be out as a hardback- I think its March or April. ;D

I also liked how she mixed the modern settings with the traditional fantasy tropes- but I think Black Jewels universe had similar things as well.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Faellie on November 23, 2008, 06:10:11 pm
There are sample chapters up at Anne Bishop's site for her upcoming book Shadow Queen :)

http://www.annebishop.com/s.excerpt.shadow.queen.html

Enjoy!

Thanks for the heads-up Taphien, that excerpt is great.  I really want to read that book, like now!

Interesting that Talon, one of the demon dead, survived the end of Queen of Darkness, rather than sacrificing himself along with the others.  And presumably he hasn't been in Hell on his own?  So how much did/does he know about those events, and how much/little of what he knows is he telling Theron?

I want to know!!!!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on November 24, 2008, 01:17:12 am
Maz I think Tangled Webs will come out as paperback the same time The Shadow Queen will be out as a hardback- I think its March or April. ;D

I also liked how she mixed the modern settings with the traditional fantasy tropes- but I think Black Jewels universe had similar things as well.

Yup, I know, but it was never something so blatant as coffee-makers and the demon cycles. :D I loved the demon cycles... ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on December 25, 2008, 02:38:13 pm
Just before my Christmas break started, I lent my copy of The Black Jewels Trilogy to a friend of mine. Today she sent me a message where she more or less insulted me...coz she got hooked and hasn't been able to do anything but read since yesterday!!! ;D ;D And now she's already halfway through it!! O_o

Muh ahahahah!!!
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Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: OTenshi on December 25, 2008, 02:51:45 pm
Good girl, Maz!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on December 28, 2008, 08:54:53 pm
Got Tangled Webs for Christmas... the only reason it took me all day to read was because I had to stop to visit with family...

I loved the laughing spiders, however, if I were to see them myself I think I would react like Surreal did to the beetles...
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Midangel on January 01, 2009, 07:31:27 am
*whimpers* I just checked on Fictionwise and they have the whole set of Anne Bishop books except for one. I received the first 3 books of the Black Jewel series for Christmas, but I must resist Fictionwise. *whimpers some more*
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Staplegun on January 02, 2009, 09:20:42 pm
zomg Borders semi-annual sale=awesome Tangled Webs hardback for $5.99! Hurrah.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on January 03, 2009, 04:11:57 pm
zomg Borders semi-annual sale=awesome Tangled Webs hardback for $5.99! Hurrah.

*watches Staplegun with evil eye*
I'm not envious, no no no... ::) :D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on January 17, 2009, 03:15:05 pm
I'm browsing through Harriet Klausner's blog - and I came across a review of The Shadow Queen- now I would take this with humongous spoon of salt as her reviews are always inaccurate but I thought its nice to get some more info even it might be wrong :D
http://genregoroundreviews.blogspot.com/2009/01/shadow-queen-anne-bishop.html
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: e_booklover on January 20, 2009, 03:55:12 pm
Thanks Has.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Reiver on February 12, 2009, 01:30:05 pm
Less than a month to go for the new one!  :D Who's excited?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on February 12, 2009, 01:33:27 pm
Me :D

I am about to preorder it lol
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on February 12, 2009, 01:36:44 pm
No buying for me -- it's another hardcover.  However, I DO need to request it from my library!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on February 12, 2009, 01:39:50 pm
Put your name down stat!!!- the earlier the better ;D I learned from past mistakes. Being 42nd is hard very hard in a the waiting list :(
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on February 12, 2009, 02:43:00 pm
Well, I'm impatient too, but because the pb of Tangled Webs is going to be released on the same day, that's the same day Magic Strikes is released, that's the same day As Shadows Fade is released...march 3rd is going to be an awesome day. :D ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on February 12, 2009, 03:04:20 pm
Maz, I think that Nalini Singh's new book -- new Series! -- is due on March 3 also.  Angel's Blood.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on February 12, 2009, 03:13:12 pm
I don't really follow Nalini Singh - read a couple of books, but they didn't really hook me. Still, there must be something about march 3rd: everybody's books are due out on that day!! :D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Kate on February 12, 2009, 03:22:32 pm
Hey, March 3 is really close to my birthday! Yay! I think Anne Bishop might be one I'd consider doing hard cover for.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: e_booklover on February 21, 2009, 04:32:30 pm
I found it!  In the bookstore today!   ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on February 21, 2009, 04:33:46 pm
Yay! Sounds like I can hope to read it for myself soon!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: e_booklover on February 21, 2009, 04:37:35 pm
I can't wait...should I save it for my plane flights on Monday or read it tonight/tomorrow?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on February 21, 2009, 05:00:45 pm
I'd say read it now, but if you have nothing to do on the airplane you'll probably regret it.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Elle on February 21, 2009, 07:54:57 pm
Oh e_ I have no patience at ALL! I would read it but what a great airplane book. Save it for the plane!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Teagan on February 21, 2009, 10:29:41 pm
I loved the Black Jewels Trilogy! I believe I started reading it in High school, and I knew after that I loved the fantasy genre more than my chick lit stuff  ;D Lucivar is by far my favorite character and I love, love love it whenever he runs off to get into trouble.

I managed to be super lucky and I am the FIRST person on the library's waiting list for Shadow Queen*YAY!* I put my name down like all the way back in January. I can't say I'm excited for this book like I was for Tangled Webs. I read half of the excerpt and I felt "blah"  :-\  Hopefully it wont disappoint.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: e_booklover on February 22, 2009, 09:50:29 am
I am saving it for the plane flight  ;D.  Thanks for your help Zealith and Elle
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on February 22, 2009, 11:27:14 am
There is a copy already avaliable in the Book Depository- Why did I splurge and miss this the other day. I iz very very tempted to get it now.

Enjoy- definitely fantastic plane flight book!!!! And see you also got Desire Unchained before me as well lol.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: e_booklover on February 22, 2009, 12:49:58 pm
 ;D I will let you guys know how they are
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Elle on February 25, 2009, 06:28:56 am
I cannot wait to read this book. :D e_ I so admire your strength of will! Even though I thought you should save the book for the flight...I would have caved and read it. A couple more days until it's out!

I can't wait to know what you thought of it. I hope it's good!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: e_booklover on February 25, 2009, 07:24:37 pm
It was really good.   ;D ;D ;D We get to see character growth in some we have already met and we also get to see what it was like for the other side and how they are trying to rebuild. 
I think that was the first plane flight in a very long time that I didn't sleep and it wasn't because someone was talking my ear off. 
It is well worth any wait!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ArtAngel on February 25, 2009, 10:32:04 pm
Who is the person we already met? Can you PM me if you don't want to post it here? I may break down and buy it faster depending on the already known character is. ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Avarel on February 25, 2009, 11:36:56 pm
Loooved it! Grey is my new favorite character, at least for a while

(bounce)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: e_booklover on February 26, 2009, 05:25:52 am
Me too.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on February 26, 2009, 08:27:10 am
Removing post.

Sorry...I guess I didn't think of any of that as really being spoilerish.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: munkee on February 26, 2009, 09:53:09 am
NIFTY
At least put a spoiler warning!

the rest of us don't have the book until the 3rd...that's like 4 more days....
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: charmed on February 26, 2009, 04:28:57 pm
Removing post.

Sorry...I guess I didn't think of any of that as really being spoilerish.  Sorry.

I didn't see your post but as long as it was properly labeled for spoilers, it coudl have stayed. When in doubt, label for spoilers. :)

charmed, books mod
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Avarel on February 26, 2009, 04:33:07 pm
can you PM me the post? I read the book, and i am curious...
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on February 27, 2009, 06:58:38 am
Avarel, I really don't remember what I wrote.  I was gushy, I think, about a few things I liked. 

I started to repost but I don't actually see any spoiler tags that would conceal my post from eyes that don't want to be spoiled, so I'll just be safe and not repost anything.  I did PM you, Avarel.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on February 27, 2009, 10:37:20 am
Thats it - I am getting the book now even though I already have like 10 books already waiting for me to read :P

There arent any spoiler tags but you can always colour the text white or do what I do - Spoiler warning and long gaps. Like Charmed said if the post is clearly marked as spoilerific its okay and I know a few people who got the book early! :D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Teagan on February 27, 2009, 04:15:01 pm
My library contacted me today and said it's ready~!!!! I'm picking it up on monday!  I can't wait!  :D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: e_booklover on February 27, 2009, 04:43:25 pm
Hooray!!!!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Elle on February 27, 2009, 07:46:03 pm
I ordered it a couple of days ago. Hasn't been shipped yet. I won't start obsessively checking the mail until I get the e-mail telling me they've sent it. That way lies madness.

Wanders off to reread the first bit on Anne's site again.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Reiver on February 28, 2009, 01:19:44 am
I got it yesterday and read it!  ;D It's nice to read more of Janelle and the others and the new characters I just wanted more of! That's all I'm saying for now!  ;)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on February 28, 2009, 08:04:01 am
Loved the book.  Read it in one reading.  Of course it was sit down in the morning and not look up unto later that evening.  Still, as much as I enjoyed the book.......I missed Surreal.  I am looking forward with great anticipation to the next book.  Unfortunately, that is not until next year.  ARGH!!!!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Avarel on February 28, 2009, 12:43:07 pm
*mod edit*

Surreal is getting along great with grandmammy Teele :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on February 28, 2009, 03:56:48 pm
Sorry, but one comment is simply not enough.  I wonder if Bishop will give Surreal her own book again.  Tangled Weds was very enjoyable.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on March 02, 2009, 07:24:55 am
Since Anne is putting the finishing touches on the sequel to The Shadow Queen, perhaps we will see more of Surreal. 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: munkee on March 02, 2009, 10:40:46 am
GAH, tomorrow and I gets it....
but I has to grocery shop as well...GAH!
conflict of interests...book or food...
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ArtAngel on March 02, 2009, 01:03:54 pm
Sorry, but one comment is simply not enough.  I wonder if Bishop will give Surreal her own book again.  Tangled Weds was very enjoyable.

I love Surreal but I did not enjoy Tangled Webs as much as the others. Surreal was too girly IMO
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on March 02, 2009, 01:44:13 pm
My problem with Tangled Webs was not that I thought Surreal was girly...I just didn't like the story.  The story is set up with man vs. man conflict.  Surreal and Ranier and the kids were set up against that guy...the one who created the house.  And he just didn't seem like a good villain.  I mean...he was too weak.  Are we really supposed to believe that HE was a threat to Surreal, Surreal being one of the most powerful Bloods in the series.  (There's Surreal, as a Gray.  Then Lucivar as Ebon-Gray.  Saetan and Daemon as Black.  Jaenelle as Ebony...and then Twilight's Dawn.  Nobody else comes close.)

I borrowed Tangled Webs from the library to read and don't own it, but the paperback comes out tomorrow.  I think I'll buy the paperback and do a re-read.  I DO love the characters and welcome any opportunity to catch up with any of them.

Although, seriously, Anne Bishop...is it to much to ask that you give us another sex scene with Lucivar?  How about you just have him naked for all of his scenes?  And include illustrations.  Yeah, yeah...that sounds like a plan!  (I lust after Lucivar...or can't y'all tell?)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on March 02, 2009, 01:56:51 pm
Nifty - I so agree with you there especially about the villain!

Hey what about a petition- Smex scene with Lucivar in the next book or the book after that ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on March 02, 2009, 02:10:42 pm
*fans self*  I've got the serious hots for that man. 

I really have no idea why.  I don't normally go for the rough-and-ready type.  He's so...pugnacious!  But I can't help it.  I love the way he looks after Jaenelle and alternately threatens and coddles the Coven.  I love the way he loves his wife.  And I love the way he loves his brother.  He's just yummy.  And just so...male!

Hubba-hubba.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on March 02, 2009, 02:21:28 pm
His story in the Dreams Made Flesh anthology was my favourite - although Daemon is hot and just has the Phoarrrr factor *wipes drool*;D
But Lucivar is definitely more approachable but he is also *sighs* delectable, desireable and one piece of hot totty ;D
And that scene when he goes into a rut with Marion and he was fierce and tender at the same time ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on March 02, 2009, 02:26:48 pm
And that scene when he goes into a rut with Marion and he was fierce and tender at the same time ;D


RAWR!


Oh, wait...did I just do that out loud?   ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on March 02, 2009, 02:29:17 pm
Its okay - you are in company that agrees with you and its just not me wait until the other smutthounds join in.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on March 02, 2009, 02:30:15 pm
Although I have to admit that I wonder exactly how they work it out with those wings.  Hmmm.  Wouldn't they get in the way?  I'm just saying.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on March 02, 2009, 02:35:25 pm
Im sure he tucks them in quite close ;)
Its more batlike right - instead of birds from what I remember. Is Anne planning another anthology like Dreams Made Flesh I do know shes got another book contracted after the sequel for The Shadow Queen.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: e_booklover on March 02, 2009, 03:16:52 pm
*drool*...oh wait was I supposed to make an intelligent comment here...?  ummm   *whew* sorry...my mind just isn't working.  Ignore me will I enjoy these latest mental pictures ;)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ArtAngel on March 02, 2009, 04:18:49 pm
Although I have to admit that I wonder exactly how they work it out with those wings.  Hmmm.  Wouldn't they get in the way?  I'm just saying.

Aerial acrobatics anyone? >:D That would be an interesting way to do it ;)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: e_booklover on March 02, 2009, 04:30:37 pm
They can use their powers to control the air or at least make it seem that way...remember their first time?  And how about when Luciver had to do the honors for one of Cat's queens?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on March 02, 2009, 04:43:41 pm
Yep he helped her out on her virgin's night!
:D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: e_booklover on March 02, 2009, 04:58:50 pm
Yes, now granted that was more mental but still...I liked the imagry
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Teagan on March 02, 2009, 06:54:39 pm
..... Lucivar *drools a river*  Oh, right, there was a reason I posted.....

I ran in to get The Shadow Queen today, and I hate to admit it, but I'm having such a hard getting through the book. I love Cassidy and some of the other characters... except for Theran. It's just he irks me so much and when it gets to his part, it makes me want to jump through the book and stab him. It is interesting to meet a different kind of "male" so to speak, but ugh, I don't like him at all  :-\  And I don't wanna leave it unfinished because sooner or later Lucivar is going to appear. And I looove me some Lucivar.

Someone, please tell me, does he get any better? Or am I going to have to skim all his sections?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ArtAngel on March 02, 2009, 06:58:56 pm
My problem with Tangled Webs was not that I thought Surreal was girly...I just didn't like the story.  The story is set up with man vs. man conflict.  Surreal and Ranier and the kids were set up against that guy...the one who created the house.  And he just didn't seem like a good villain.  I mean...he was too weak.  Are we really supposed to believe that HE was a threat to Surreal, Surreal being one of the most powerful Bloods in the series.  (There's Surreal, as a Gray.  Then Lucivar as Ebon-Gray.  Saetan and Daemon as Black.  Jaenelle as Ebony...and then Twilight's Dawn.  Nobody else comes close.)


Thank you Nifty! I was trying to figure out why it was so disapointing and focused on Surreal when it actuall was thye villain that sucked.

As for the smex :(. I really wish she didn't have so muchof it. Yes the men are totally hot and drool worthy but I'm not into that much smex in a book. Unfortunately I am thoroughly addicted to her style of writing!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Teagan on March 02, 2009, 07:28:25 pm
My problem with Tangled Webs was not that I thought Surreal was girly...I just didn't like the story.  The story is set up with man vs. man conflict.  Surreal and Ranier and the kids were set up against that guy...the one who created the house.  And he just didn't seem like a good villain.  I mean...he was too weak.  Are we really supposed to believe that HE was a threat to Surreal, Surreal being one of the most powerful Bloods in the series.  (There's Surreal, as a Gray.  Then Lucivar as Ebon-Gray.  Saetan and Daemon as Black.  Jaenelle as Ebony...and then Twilight's Dawn.  Nobody else comes close.)


Thank you Nifty! I was trying to figure out why it was so disapointing and focused on Surreal when it actuall was thye villain that sucked.

As for the smex :(. I really wish she didn't have so muchof it. Yes the men are totally hot and drool worthy but I'm not into that much smex in a book. Unfortunately I am thoroughly addicted to her style of writing!

Actually, compared to a lot of other writers, there's not so much. I usually just skim it and go on with the rest of the book.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Avarel on March 02, 2009, 09:14:40 pm
..... Lucivar *drools a river*  Oh, right, there was a reason I posted.....

I ran in to get The Shadow Queen today, and I hate to admit it, but I'm having such a hard getting through the book. I love Cassidy and some of the other characters... except for Theran. It's just he irks me so much and when it gets to his part, it makes me want to jump through the book and stab him. It is interesting to meet a different kind of "male" so to speak, but ugh, I don't like him at all  :-\  And I don't wanna leave it unfinished because sooner or later Lucivar is going to appear. And I looove me some Lucivar.

Someone, please tell me, does he get any better? Or am I going to have to skim all his sections?

Maybe a spoiler?


Theran is annoying to the end, I think.
Mostly because he doesn't understand what he doesn't understand
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on March 03, 2009, 06:21:12 am
Quote
I ran in to get The Shadow Queen today, and I hate to admit it, but I'm having such a hard getting through the book. I love Cassidy and some of the other characters... except for Theran. It's just he irks me so much and when it gets to his part, it makes me want to jump through the book and stab him. It is interesting to meet a different kind of "male" so to speak, but ugh, I don't like him at all 

My comments:
It's very strange the way Anne structured this novel, because she set it up as if Theran is a protagonist, and yet, you're right...he's not very likeable.  He's arrogant and bigoted and rather a snob.  And I hate how judgmental he is of women based on their looks.  But I think the novel does a good job of showing that he is NOT Cassie's.  The other men who serve in her first circle ARE hers, but Theran's not.  He's only serving as First Escort because Daemon and Saetan insisted.  And I think that while he's never going to have a real affinity for Cassidy the way the others do, he IS learning.  The whole point of bringing Cassidy to Dena Nehele was to re-educate the Blood there in Protocol and the Old Ways.  Theran doesn't have to LIKE Cassidy, or belong to her, in order for him to learn.  There's an event near the end when he stands with her, so obviously he's learning.  But no...I didn't finish the novel liking him any more than I did at the novel's start.

However, Anne's working on a sequel to The Shadow Queen, so I get the feeling Theran's story is unfinished, just as Gray's is.  And I thought it was interesting and significant that Theran and Gray each became the men they did because of what happened to Gray.  Gray is naturally stronger, more charismatic.  But his (pyschological) scars allowed Theran to take on the protector role for a while.  But that changes over the course of the book as Gray comes into his own.

The book doesn't feel "unfinished" to me, but at the same time there IS unfinished business.


Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: e_booklover on March 03, 2009, 06:48:29 am
I found that it shows how merely removing the taint wasn't the magical pill required to make everything right again.  There were second and third order effects from both the taint and it's removal.  I find the world more "real" because of that.

Like others, I could not stand Theran.  He doesn't fit with the Dark Court, which is where our sympathies lie, so he doesn't understand it.  Yet he is struggling to do the best that he can given his knowledge/limitations for his people.  I liked it because of the growth exhibited by the characters and also the sense that there is hope that both Grey and Theran will continue to grow and become who they can be.



Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on March 03, 2009, 01:34:52 pm
So for those who've read the new one, is it worth buying in hardcover? I only buy a select few in hardcover (Briggs, Harris, Butcher ... and a couple more, maybe).
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Avarel on March 03, 2009, 01:39:05 pm
Not if you are really selective. I think reading it from your library and then buying it in paperback.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on March 03, 2009, 04:43:24 pm
Maybe I'm in the minority.  I enjoyed the latest Bishop book.  I missed Surreal,  but I thought the story was good.  Didn't care for Theron, but it wouldn't have worked without him and he did get better (?) at the end.  And it was thought provoking to show what happened in other parts of their world when the taint was removed.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Teagan on March 03, 2009, 07:59:28 pm
Thanks for the help you guys~ :D

If you read this a little earlier,  I take back what I said.  The book stood on my shelf, glaring at me, so I finished it :) And I'm glad I did! :D

I was kind of liking Theran at the end of the book. Barely, but I was warming up to him. I probably would have preferred him much earlier if he didn't whine all the time and actually worked.  If his story is finished in the sequel, I hope he can become a character I can actually like. I think my issue is because he was always brooding and always acting like the weight of the world was on his shoulders. I hope he can find his proper Queen so things can be right in the world. Or maybe not, so at least we have that dynamic in Cassidy's Circle

Also, isn't there suppose to be some story that involves the child that KaeAskavi saved during Queen of the Darkness? I kind of remember somebody talking about that.  Is that going to be in the anthology with the holiday story?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: munkee on March 04, 2009, 07:44:04 am
my biggest question...why is daemonar so evil? are other eyrian kids that bad??? if it's just him...why on earth have another.....
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on March 04, 2009, 08:24:27 am
Evil?  Daemonar's not evil.  He's an inquisitive, mischievous, rambunctious three-year-old with a healthy dose of his father's personality.

Or at least that's MY take on it.

I hope we have an opportunity to see Daemonar as a young man.  Whoa.  That could be interesting!  (Makes me grin to think of it.  Marian has her hands full with one grown Warlord Prince in her immediate family.  I can just imagine her having to deal with the fierce nature and protective instincts of TWO.  And that's already on top of what she has to deal with from Saetan and Daemon.)

And can I just say that the idea of being coddled and pampered during the first three days of my "moon time" sounds incredibly appealing.  To not have to work...to be expected to just lie around and not lift anything heavier than a teacup...to have the men in my life bringing me medicinal brews.  Hmmmm.  Well, that's one way to know for sure that this series is a fantasy.  Ha!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on March 04, 2009, 09:16:16 am
Not if you are really selective. I think reading it from your library and then buying it in paperback.

I went to BN last night to pick up another book and started reading the first few chapters of The Shadow Queen ... hours later I was finished with half the book and the store closed. Now I have to go back tomorrow and try and finish it! I really like Cassidy, but I can't stand Theron!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on March 04, 2009, 09:17:39 am
Dear Author reviewed The Shadow Queen.
http://dearauthor.com/wordpress/2009/03/04/review-the-shadow-queen-by-anne-bishop/
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Teagan on March 04, 2009, 10:15:48 am
I agree with Nifty, Daemonar isn't evil in that sense, it's just he's very rambunctious. And besides that, he's also being raised by the kindred {I think, as far as we know, he's the first character in the series to be exposed to them since like birth, besides Jaenelle, probably}  so he has tricks up his sleeve that he shouldn't. I really would like a peek to see just what kind of man he is going to grow up to be.

And if he was my son, I'd probably be very wary and use him as a threat ever chance I got.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on March 04, 2009, 10:29:37 am
And if he was my son, I'd probably be very wary and use him as a threat ever chance I got.

Plus...I'm not a parent, but I always hear about how once babies start walking/running, they're the very devil to keep up with.  Okay, so imagine all that energy able to access ANOTHER plane by flying.  Ha!  It's a good thing his parents have wings, too.  (I loved the scene in Queen of the Darkness when Daemon first walks into the Hall and Daemonar is balanced on the chandelier.  Then he starts flying around...like a drunken bumblebee...and Lucivar gave chase.  Great scene.)

So here's a question:  Are Eyriens born WITH the wings, or do they start to grow after birth?  Cause I can just imagine the joy of adding THAT little addition to the whole sliding-out-the-birth-canal process.  Ouch!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on March 04, 2009, 10:46:01 am
I agree Daemonar is definitely not evil- he's just like any toddler :D and yep Nifty that is so right about kids. My niece especially overdosed on sugar is like a ping pong ball!

I do hope we get a book with an older Daemonar  :D I can see lots of interesting things cropping up in his future!
And my book got shipped out today so hopefully I will get it in the next few days! ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Gwendolynn on March 04, 2009, 10:58:03 am
So here's a question:  Are Eyriens born WITH the wings, or do they start to grow after birth?  Cause I can just imagine the joy of adding THAT little addition to the whole sliding-out-the-birth-canal process.  Ouch!
Having just gone through the process, it hurts to even consider ... ouch!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ArtAngel on March 04, 2009, 11:02:46 am
my biggest question...why is daemonar so evil? are other eyrian kids that bad??? if it's just him...why on earth have another.....

Here is a real example of a rambunctious, curious, never-stop-moving kid. (I haven't read thebook yet but from the sounds of things this fits to explain Demonar)
My little brother at three years old was super curious about the electric pencil sharpener and kept sticking pencils into it and grinding them down to stubs. Finally he wanted to know how it works and stuck his finger into it. He was too young to take it apart so he did what made sense to him with the amount of reasoning he is capable of at three years old. Afterwards, even though he was crying, he kept playing with his chewed up finger because he had never seen that much blood beofre and thought it was cool. Kids that age see something and have to touch. It's how they learn cause and effect and can be very difficult for parents to keep up and stop at least the worst of what a kid will do to himself.

And yes I loved that chandelier scene! It was super cute
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on March 04, 2009, 11:03:14 am
So here's a question:  Are Eyriens born WITH the wings, or do they start to grow after birth?  Cause I can just imagine the joy of adding THAT little addition to the whole sliding-out-the-birth-canal process.  Ouch!
Having just gone through the process, it hurts to even consider ... ouch!

Ha!

But on the other hand, congratulations, Gwendolynn!!
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Post by: Gwendolynn on March 04, 2009, 11:04:09 am
So here's a question:  Are Eyriens born WITH the wings, or do they start to grow after birth?  Cause I can just imagine the joy of adding THAT little addition to the whole sliding-out-the-birth-canal process.  Ouch!
Having just gone through the process, it hurts to even consider ... ouch!

Ha!

But on the other hand, congratulations, Gwendolynn!!
Thanks! :-[ I think she's perfect.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on March 04, 2009, 11:09:42 am
ArtAngel, your story had me cringing!  Aah!  Scary!  (And "cringing," by the way, is a weird-looking word.  I had to look it up to make sure I was spelling it correctly.  According to Mr. Webster, I am.  Weird.)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on March 04, 2009, 11:16:28 am
That was an interesting review - although I dont always agree with her reviews. But I do want to know the other characters are going through- Daemon and the rest of the gang I think make this series. And although its great that this book focuses on the aftermath of the purge - the original characters I think are the heart and soul of this series.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on March 04, 2009, 11:17:48 am

So here's a question:  Are Eyriens born WITH the wings, or do they start to grow after birth?  Cause I can just imagine the joy of adding THAT little addition to the whole sliding-out-the-birth-canal process.  Ouch!

They've got to have at least buds, Saetan states somewhere that he didn't know luciver's mother was eyrian until he was born.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on March 04, 2009, 11:20:44 am
And the wings are leather like - Like bats I think.
I suppose one of us could ask Anne at the LKH board?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on March 04, 2009, 11:25:50 am
And the wings are leather like - Like bats I think.
I suppose one of us could ask Anne at the LKH board?

I nominate you, Has.  I've asked her enough questions in the last couple weeks!
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Post by: Has on March 04, 2009, 11:27:31 am
Okay :D
Will do that now!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Teagan on March 04, 2009, 07:23:53 pm
Congrats on your little addition Gwendolynn!

I think they're born with it and the wings just wrap around their bodies when they're pushed out. But it is an interesting question...
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on March 05, 2009, 05:55:55 am
Yeah, I imagine the bones (of the wings) would be very soft at birth.  But still...nubby, you know?  That couldn't feel very good.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Kate on March 05, 2009, 08:26:52 am
I think Anne Bishop is trying to kill me. I stayed up until 2am b/c I was so close to the end of Queen of the Darkness, the third book in the trilogy, that I couldn't stop reading.  :D

It was very good, but I am very glad that I didn't find out about these books until now. This way, I don't have to wait a year to find out what happens next for Jaenelle and Daemon and everyone else. Out of curiosity, does Della, the girl that the Kindred tigers saved, feature at all in any future books?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on March 05, 2009, 08:53:45 am
Out of curiosity, does Della, the girl that the Kindred tigers saved, feature at all in any future books?

Not yet.  But Anne's still got other stories up her sleeve.

Kate, the next book you should read is DREAMS MADE FLESH.  It's a collection of stories (four of them).  One of them is very short and tells about the Weaver (spider).  There's a story called Zuulaman (sp?) that is a story of Saetan's past.  "The Prince of Ebon Rih" is Lucivar's story and tells of his meeting Marian.  So timewise, it fits in between the 2nd book of the trilogy and the 3rd.  And then the final story in the anthology is called "Dreams Made Flesh" and it's sort of an epilogue to the trilogy.  It tells what happens to Daemon and Jaenelle AFTER the finale of Queen of the Darkness.

After that, if you're still in the mood for more of the Blood, read The Invisible Ring.  This book is actually a prequel -- it pre-dates the events of the trilogy.  Saetan and Daemon are in it, but not Jaenelle.  After that, you could read the newest one, The Shadow Queen, which occurs about two years post-Queen of Darkness, but which is the story of some of the descendants from the characters from The Invisible Ring.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Kate on March 05, 2009, 10:51:23 am
Interesting. I had actually read the excerpt from Dreams Made Flesh on Bishop's web site and was sooooo happy that I would get to see Lucivar fall in love with Marian. Sounds like it would be an interesting read, for sure. I'm definitely going to keep reading them. And, even though I know some people aren't as fond of Surreal, I just love her, so I'm looking forward to Tangled Webs as well. That's the one that she's in, right?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on March 05, 2009, 10:56:41 am
Yep Tangled Webs features Surreal and I loved Lucivar's story in the anthology - you are in for a real treat. Personally I think it was the strongest story in the whole book :D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on March 05, 2009, 10:56:53 am
And, even though I know some people aren't as fond of Surreal, I just love her, so I'm looking forward to Tangled Webs as well. That's the one that she's in, right?

Yes, she's a main character in that book.  It's more "hers" than it is any of the other characters', although they are in it as well.  I like Surreal.  One of the things I like very much about this series is how Anne handles sexuality.  I think it's very interesting.  There's some stigma attached to Surreal because she was a whore, but at the same time, not as much as I would think given my own cultural background.  
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: munkee on March 05, 2009, 11:55:32 am
having birthed the second son (and last) a month ago, I would have to disagree...little boys are downright evil. I love my sons to death, but GOOD LORD......
my first is almost 5 now and having gone through the permanent marker phase, the I fall from really tall places phase, the lets explore the kitchen phase, the I want to learn how to swim before I like water phase and lately the I've gone well beyond accident prone and straight into reckless with my mortality phase...deamonar seems pretty evil to me.


I like gray and cassidy, but it's  shira and the shalador man that caught my interest.
I hated theran what a disgrace to the blood line of the gray lady. I know there's a follow up, to which yea!, but lets hope there's more about cassidy and dena nehele. I mean, yea for the wrapping up of certain wonders and postulaitions, but like a reviewer on amazon said, we get that daemon and janelle have sex like bunnies, move on. I did like lucivar's interactions with cassidy, at least until a character shows up from shaladar to act as the antagonist...I think theran and daemon should stay away from each other... I also think she should take more time to describe gray...I get this image of a youngish, scarred brute of a guy and that's it. cassidy does no daydreaming about him at all, so there's no details.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Elle on March 05, 2009, 09:54:36 pm
I had no idea there was a sequel to The Shadow Queen. I was nearing the end thinking...don't be over...there's so much more I want to know. I'm relieved that more questions will be answered. :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on March 06, 2009, 11:13:16 am
The one comment I didn't see about Daemonar?  That Marian was trying for another child with Lucivar.  Can you imagine 2 Daemonar's? 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Kate on March 06, 2009, 12:14:15 pm
Okay, but ANY excuse to uh... "try for another child" with Lucivar is okay in my book!  :P
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Teagan on March 06, 2009, 12:54:59 pm
lol! They might get a girl this time, you never know.  :D

Recently my sister tried to start the black jewels trilogy, but as soon as she found out Lucivar had wings, she shut the book fast xD
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on March 06, 2009, 01:00:34 pm
Whaaaaaaaa

Did you tell her hes not really an angel?
If this wasnt spoilery - you should get her to read that short story in Dreams Made Flesh and read that really smexy scene :D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on March 06, 2009, 01:50:36 pm
One of the things that initially intrigued me about the Black Jewels trilogy is how Anne sort of borrowed from Christian mythology, but then tweaked things.  One of the main characters -- the High Lord of Hell -- is called Saetan (Satan).  He has a son named Lucivar (Lucifer) and another named Daemon (demon).  I liked that Anne gave Lucivar membranous bat wings.  It's been a long time since I took Art History, but the image I have in my mind of Lucivar always reminds me of the depictions of bat-winged demons from Renaissance Art.  Only a kinder, gentler, hunkier version!  Ha!

And then she turned all that on its head by making Saetan, Lucivar, and Daemon PROTAGONISTS, not antagonists.  And they truly are good guys.  They're ruthless and dangerous, yes, but they're also moral and respectful and loving. 

Even the way she depicts the Realms as being tiered, one on top of the other, reminds me of Dante's Inferno and the levels of hell, or the old medieval idea of a tiered existence: heaven/earth/hell. 

Anyway, I was very intrigued by all that.  It was one of the things that drew me to the series.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Kate on March 06, 2009, 01:54:09 pm
Oh, definitely. There are elements of other interesting mythologies that she's pulled from, too: Cassandra, Hekatah (Hecate), etc. I found myself looking for the correlations when a new character would be introduced. :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on March 06, 2009, 02:19:13 pm
I agree!!!

And I love the sexual politics as well- its like a reversal of the battle of the sexes. It also shows its really about power and control corrupting individuals and groups and it looks like the Landons are going to have a payback/revenge thing going on in Shadow Queen.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on March 10, 2009, 08:17:04 pm
I can't wait to see what happens with Cassidy and Grey ... and the Shalador prince and Shira. Those two intertwining stories may be the topic of the sequel.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Elle on March 20, 2009, 11:00:39 am
I love Nalini Singh and she loves her books. She contacted Anne Bishop asking about Shalador's Lady. It'll be released March 2010.


"Cassidy has to face a rival Queen from her past in order to give Dena Nehele any hope of a future. So Cassidy, Gray, and Theran will be back, along with the SaDiablo family. And there will be Scelties. ::grin::"


Okay...
So what I'm REALLY looking forward to is her old court realizing what idiots they were and how they regret their actions. I kinda want to see them squirm.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Staplegun on March 20, 2009, 01:02:55 pm
haha, me too, elle.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: e_booklover on March 20, 2009, 03:11:02 pm
me three Elle :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Dusk on March 30, 2009, 12:36:41 am
loved the shadow queen....can't wait for the sequal!!!! ;D
Surreal is my absolute favourite and i would love to see another book about her......particularly if she happened to find someone worth having....i mean everyone else is practically paired up but she is all alone *sigh*....oh well...
cassidy and grey were brilliant, but i sorta wished there was more of them and less of janelle and daemon....don't get me wrong i am a fan of janelle and daemon but i felt some bits of the book were sort of a bit off course and not really with the whole cassidy thing....
i think it would be interesting to see lucivar with another child but i think it will be  girl....hmmmm
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: HiddenSparkle on March 30, 2009, 03:51:05 am
One of the things that initially intrigued me about the Black Jewels trilogy is how Anne sort of borrowed from Christian mythology, but then tweaked things.  One of the main characters -- the High Lord of Hell -- is called Saetan (Satan).  He has a son named Lucivar (Lucifer) and another named Daemon (demon).  I liked that Anne gave Lucivar membranous bat wings.  It's been a long time since I took Art History, but the image I have in my mind of Lucivar always reminds me of the depictions of bat-winged demons from Renaissance Art.  Only a kinder, gentler, hunkier version!  Ha!

And then she turned all that on its head by making Saetan, Lucivar, and Daemon PROTAGONISTS, not antagonists.  And they truly are good guys.  They're ruthless and dangerous, yes, but they're also moral and respectful and loving. 

Even the way she depicts the Realms as being tiered, one on top of the other, reminds me of Dante's Inferno and the levels of hell, or the old medieval idea of a tiered existence: heaven/earth/hell. 

Anyway, I was very intrigued by all that.  It was one of the things that drew me to the series.

I'm not sure if my comment warrants a spoiler tag but I'll put it under one anyway.

I just thought about how it is interesting that the realm of light (heaven) was corrupted first and that Hekatah had to work in that realm because she couldn't get a foothold in Hell. In Christian mythology, it is quite the opposite.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on May 19, 2009, 12:52:07 pm
Has anyone seen anything about a book by the title "The Shalador's Lady"?  Is this a sequel to "The Shadow Queen"? 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on May 19, 2009, 01:01:25 pm
Yep thats the follow up to The Shadow Queen and it should be out next March!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: HiddenSparkle on May 19, 2009, 06:55:51 pm
Oh, I can't wait!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on May 19, 2009, 07:31:02 pm
Sigh.........me too.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on June 17, 2009, 07:25:18 pm
Just read Shadow Queen and I loved it. Definately more 'ordinary' then Jaeneille and Daemon, if that word can even be applied to anyone in Bishop's books. :P But I agree with what others have said, too much information of Daemon and Jaeneille's love life that didn't really add much to the story.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on June 26, 2009, 06:16:41 am
Maybe it's a case of being hard to let them go and move on to other characters.  Hopefully the new book will not have them as such main characters.  More as bit characters so we'll get an idea of how their lives are doing, but not to the extent we saw in Shadow Queen.

I would still love to see more of Surreal, though.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: e_booklover on June 27, 2009, 03:46:02 pm
I certainly hope Surreal gets a happy ending.  I do wander what type of guy could survive her family ;)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Avarel on June 27, 2009, 06:13:56 pm
AND Surreal. one or the other would be rare. both? more difficult...
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: e_booklover on June 27, 2009, 06:41:10 pm
Ha ha ha, very well put Avarel :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Avarel on June 27, 2009, 06:49:11 pm
I try. *Bow*

really, Surreal is one of my favorite characters. I think she deserves her own series. she was only a side character in the trilogy, really, and she has so much potential.

I kinda wonder when/ how she and Lucivar become friends. In Queen of Darkness she really doesn't like him at the beginning, blaming him for what happened to Daemon. When does she change her mind, put it behind her? or does she?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on June 27, 2009, 09:03:22 pm
I would say she doesn't like him now, if she is indeed swearing every time his name is mentioned. But I agree, a very interesting character.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Avarel on June 27, 2009, 09:27:25 pm
Just had a thought... Surreal and Theran meet. Think about what would happen.

Poor Theran.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on June 27, 2009, 09:32:58 pm
Is that an explosion I hear?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Avarel on June 27, 2009, 09:35:06 pm
If Vae and Cassidy turned his world upside down... Surreal would tear it apart and hide the pieces.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on June 27, 2009, 09:40:39 pm
Or shove them down his throat. He should be happy getting a queen unsure of herself. Any of the other queens from the shadow realm wouldn't have put up with so many things Cassie does, and he probably would either be dead or severely injured.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Avarel on June 27, 2009, 09:47:13 pm
Definitely shove them down his throat. or somewhere more uncomfortable.

I was trying to think of unattached males for Surreal and I thought of Theran. Dunno, maybe he's redeemable but when I think of it I don't think so. I just don't like him.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on June 27, 2009, 09:53:14 pm
There might be some one among her mother's people. And I'm not even going to try to spell it correctly. XD
Let's see, I don't think I really can think of another unattached male except those in Cassie's court.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Avarel on June 27, 2009, 09:54:23 pm
Unless they are gay. I Renard? what was his name? from Tangled webs. the Dancer.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on June 27, 2009, 09:58:31 pm
They worked well together, but I don't think he'd be happy with the fans shoving her in his direction. :P He's an interesting character too. If we do get another Surreal book I hope he makes another appearance.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: e_booklover on June 28, 2009, 10:45:17 am
I think Theran himself is damaged and he needs to heal.  I think there is a someone for him somewhere but not until he grows up some more.  I liked the dancer and how his role showed some of today's struggles yet he had found a place where he could be happy and accepted. 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Staplegun on July 21, 2009, 08:19:15 am
okay, so I'm apparently a bit slow...I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but I missed it if it was.

So, I totally got the whole Saetan-Satan, Daemon-Demon, Lucivar-Lucifer, Heketah-Hecate connection, but only like a few months ago did I finally find a connection for Mephis-Mephistopheles. >.< I totally can't believe I didn't see that before...but it was possibly because I always read his name as Memphis. :/

I haven't figured out Peyton yet, but I"m sure it's out there and once I find it, it will be obvious. :D

Was I the only one who didn't see this...or am I completely wrong here and it's actually like Mefiso or something? xD
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on July 21, 2009, 10:06:17 am
Huh. I never thought of the Mephis connection. That totally makes sense! Thanks!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: HiddenSparkle on July 21, 2009, 01:34:36 pm
You were definitely not the only one to read Mephis as Memphis. I still catch myself reading it like that from time to time...

Can someone please remind me as to who Mephistopheles was? The name sounds really really familiar but I'm blanking on details...
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on July 21, 2009, 02:43:44 pm
According to Wikipedia, Mephistopheles is the name of the demon in the Faust legend.  Peyton has me clueless, tho.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: HiddenSparkle on July 21, 2009, 05:52:32 pm
Thanks, Mtomni!! :)


I also have no idea about Peyton :(
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on July 21, 2009, 06:42:59 pm
Thanks mtomni, I had no clue who Mephistopheles was. Peyton... how is that pronounced? That could be the clue.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Staplegun on July 22, 2009, 07:58:15 am
I've been pronouncing it like pay-ton. Anyone have an alternate pronunciation?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on July 22, 2009, 01:18:33 pm
Only thing it reminds me of is Peyton Place, but somehow I don't think that's it. :-whistle ;D

Mephistopheles is the name of the demon in the Faust legend. 

He's not simply a demon. He's Lucifer: Mephistopheles is just one of his many names. ;)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: wiccanmoonchild on September 24, 2009, 07:11:49 am
Rainier?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: wiccanmoonchild on September 24, 2009, 07:13:41 am
I absolutely love Anne Bishops books.  I have read them all and cannot wait until March for "Shalador's Lady"!!

Has anyone read all her books too?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on September 24, 2009, 07:27:57 am
I've read them all, with the exception of the last one, since I'm waiting for the paperback (hardbacks take up too much space in the library). :) I think the Black Jewels trilogy is her best one, but the Tir Alainn trilogy was good too. :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Avarel on September 24, 2009, 08:32:24 am
I'll go with Maz, my fav is the Black Jewels Trilogy.

The Belladonna books were kinda cool, but different. I'm still undecided about them.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Kate on September 24, 2009, 09:26:35 am
I really enjoyed Sebastian and Belladonna. And of course, Black Jewels. I haven't read the Tir stuff yet. Must get that at some point...
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ppbwashu on September 24, 2009, 09:41:34 am
I personally was disappointed in how Anne Bishop handled the story about Surreal.  The basic structure of the story was sound, but it was lacking something essential.  I'm also tired of Jaenelle and Daimon getting dragged into center stage in stories that are supposed to be about other characters.  I hope "Shalador's Lady" does a better job of keeping the new story line on the new characters rather than the old...
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on September 24, 2009, 01:55:29 pm
The Ephemera duology was cool because it's something unusual for a fantasy. I loved the concept of the land deciding where it's best for you to go, instead of letting you go where you want to. :) I liked Sebastian better than Belladonna, but not by much. It's just that the Den of Iniquity sounds like such a funny place. LOL
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ppbwashu on September 24, 2009, 03:06:45 pm
I'm with you, Maz.  Don't get me wrong, I love Anne Bishop's Black Jewels world, but the Ephemera world was so different and well-crafted, that I just fell in love with it.  Good characters, unique ideas...
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: e_booklover on September 24, 2009, 06:26:28 pm
I have really enjoyed all of her books.  I do wish Surreal's story had more of her character developing but it was good to see that my favorite character hadn't been completely domesticated :D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on September 25, 2009, 10:10:42 am
I personally was disappointed in how Anne Bishop handled the story about Surreal.  The basic structure of the story was sound, but it was lacking something essential.  I'm also tired of Jaenelle and Daimon getting dragged into center stage in stories that are supposed to be about other characters.  I hope "Shalador's Lady" does a better job of keeping the new story line on the new characters rather than the old...

I see the other stories set in the World of the Blood more like a way to "stay in touch with old friends" than anything else, so I managed to enjoy Tangled Webs, but you have a good point there. :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on September 30, 2009, 11:53:27 am
When oh when is The Shadow Queen coming out in PB?!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on September 30, 2009, 11:58:03 am
I suppose in March 2010: Tangled Webs first came out in hardback in March 2008 and the paperback was released along with The Shadow Queen this past March. :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on September 30, 2009, 08:15:15 pm
I suppose in March 2010: Tangled Webs first came out in hardback in March 2008 and the paperback was released along with The Shadow Queen this past March. :)

EEK! That's *way* too long! Geez Louise! >:(
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Dusk on November 16, 2009, 02:53:29 pm
Ok for those of you who are like me and are jumping around in anticipation of the next Black Jewels Novel  LOL bOuNcY......the Excerpt for Shalador's Lady has just been posted on her website!!!!!
YAY!!!  :D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: wiccanmoonchild on November 16, 2009, 05:36:47 pm
 bOuNcY - - YESSSS!!  Going right over - THANKS
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on November 16, 2009, 05:53:22 pm
Great news, thanks!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on November 16, 2009, 06:07:07 pm
Yay - I love Cassidy!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on November 17, 2009, 09:41:18 am
I will have to go with Maz too. My favourite so far is definitively the Black jewels trilogy. The other stuff is good too, it's just that I like the trilogy best.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: e_booklover on November 17, 2009, 07:30:08 pm
Ooh! *zooms over to take a look* :D

After reading.  Um wow.  I think that book is going to be intense!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Dusk on November 17, 2009, 09:55:35 pm
Looks like it is going to be a really good book  LOL

So can't wait till it is out, wonder if surreal will make a cameo in this one???  bOuNcY
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: wiccanmoonchild on November 18, 2009, 06:02:22 am
Looks like it is going to be a really good book  LOL

So can't wait till it is out, wonder if surreal will make a cameo in this one???  bOuNcY

That would be cool - love her - actually I love all of Anne's  characters.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on November 18, 2009, 06:05:36 am
Ooh! I want this book! now!
*pouts impatiently*
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: wiccanmoonchild on November 18, 2009, 06:20:56 am
I've been pronouncing it like pay-ton. Anyone have an alternate pronunciation?

Maybe something to do with Pan? - I have been trying to figure it out ..... hhhmmmmm 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Vic on February 20, 2010, 08:46:51 am
Just did re-read on Black Jewels Trilogy, Tangled Web and then bough Shadow Queen.  Really love this world and can't wait to get my hands on next one in series Shalador's Lady on Mar 2.  I haven't read any of her other series but may have to give those a go.  I did Tangled Web & Shadow Queen as audio books.  I enjoyed them but didn't really care for the narrator quite as much.  I didn't like a few of his character voices.  I've read that her Fae series is coming to audio soon (hopefully this year).
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on February 20, 2010, 02:09:51 pm
I have Shalador's Lady on order, but it's being shipped when they ship SILVER BORNE, so I'm not due to receive it until early April.  I hear that Anne is working on another collection of short stories, similar to DREAMS MADE FLESH.  Woot!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on February 20, 2010, 02:10:34 pm
The waiting itch have started. I need to make sure I have ordered....
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: charmed on February 20, 2010, 04:16:13 pm
But don't double order :P
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on February 20, 2010, 08:46:12 pm
I'm hopeless.  I keep checking Amazon to see if any of my authors books are on pre-order, then immediately order.  Anne's book has been available for pre-order for quite awhile now.

I know it's not long now, but it still seems months away.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on February 21, 2010, 05:35:26 am
But don't double order :P
True! :D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on February 21, 2010, 09:10:23 am
I have Shalador's Lady on order, but it's being shipped when they ship SILVER BORNE, so I'm not due to receive it until early April.  I hear that Anne is working on another collection of short stories, similar to DREAMS MADE FLESH.  Woot!

*drool* Me wantz!
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Post by: Cerulean on February 21, 2010, 02:09:02 pm
I was looking at my Amazon wishlist and saw the two Anne Bishop books - I need the first one in paperback and I want to read the next one in library/bookstore form - and said "These need to be out NOW!" I can't wait to see what happens next in Shalador's Lady. And to remember how good The Shadow Queen was.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on February 21, 2010, 02:23:45 pm
This is why I love the Book Depository- they ship orders separately :D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Vic on February 21, 2010, 02:46:42 pm
Yes, Shalador's Lady will definitely help ease the painful wait for next Mercy book!  Though, I keep wanting to kick Theron's ass!  But  :-LOVE Gray!   Read except for SL and hated when I ran of of excerpt.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on February 21, 2010, 02:48:25 pm
Yes, Shalador's Lady will definitely help ease the painful wait for next Mercy book!  Though, I keep wanting to kick Theron's ass!  But  :-LOVE Gray!   Read except for SL and hated when I ran of of excerpt.

I soo agree with you! LOL
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on February 21, 2010, 03:32:40 pm
Yes, Shalador's Lady will definitely help ease the painful wait for next Mercy book!  Though, I keep wanting to kick Theron's ass!  But  :-LOVE Gray!   Read except for SL and hated when I ran of of excerpt.

Kind of an aside, but mention of Gray brought this to mind....  I love how Anne handles homosexuality in her books.  It's a non-issue.  There are characters who are homosexual, and it's no big deal.  It's so completely not a big deal that it seems to elicit very little response.  (Which I guess makes sense, considering the laws/morals of the Realms.  There's no law against murder, for crying out loud!  So I gues it makes sense that no-one would bat an eye over a little thing like homosexuality.)  There's Karla...then Ranier...and I loved that scene in The Shadow Queen when Gray needs instruction on how to kiss, so Daemon demonstrates...on Gray!!!  And yet...it's no big deal. 
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Post by: Varg on February 21, 2010, 03:50:06 pm
It is refreshing I find, that it is so matter of fact and not made into some kind of problem or plot device.
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Post by: Zealith on February 21, 2010, 09:17:10 pm
I agree. Definately makes me wish the world was a little more like that.
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Post by: Dusk on February 21, 2010, 09:53:45 pm
Its nice to be able to read a book that dosn't make a huge issue about it. its just like an added thing that merges with the overall story line.

Yes, Shalador's Lady will definitely help ease the painful wait for next Mercy book!  Though, I keep wanting to kick Theron's ass!  But  :-LOVE Gray!   Read except for SL and hated when I ran of of excerpt.

 LOL hell yes, i was the same  LOL i would love to see Theron deal with Surreal, it would be like putting fireworks near on open flame lol.

I so can't wait for this book lol!!!! i am counting down the days  LOL
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on March 01, 2010, 07:00:16 am
Tomorrow!  Tomorrow!  The book comes out tomorrow!!!!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Vic on March 01, 2010, 09:24:42 am
Right there with ya!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on March 01, 2010, 09:53:19 am
Tomorrow!  Tomorrow!  The book comes out tomorrow!!!!

Next month! Next month!  I'll get my copy next month!!  :D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on March 01, 2010, 09:53:54 am
*runs off to order*
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Post by: Elle on March 02, 2010, 11:20:21 pm
This book was so good. I enjoyed the Shadow Queen but Shalador's Lady was even better. I got it off Fictionwise today and read before work, during my breaks, commute to and from work and just finished it up. I should learn to pace myself but I couldn't stop reading. Wonderful.

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Post by: ArtAngel on March 03, 2010, 01:36:45 am
Is there much of Surreal in this one?
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Post by: ppbwashu on March 03, 2010, 08:19:41 am
Ooh, good for you, Elle!  I have to let my sister read it first, since she's a bigger Anne Bishop fan than me.
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Post by: Has on March 03, 2010, 10:31:06 am
I want to get it on ebook for a reasonable price but the US site is blocked and I have to pay for the full price on the UK site UGH - I may have to get this later via book depository or amazon (sigh) :(

I heard the same thing Elle - the next book is going to be another anthology ala Dreams Made Flesh!
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Post by: Elle on March 03, 2010, 11:04:54 am
Is there much of Surreal in this one?

She is there but not a lot. More than a cameo though.
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Post by: Nifty on March 03, 2010, 12:15:34 pm
Any spoilers you want to share???  (Or...not spoilers, necessarily, but just info.  What's the book about?)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Elle on March 03, 2010, 12:41:56 pm
The bit of what the book is about without any major spoilers.

It's a continuation of Shadow Queen. It's the remainder of the year in Cassie's contract of Queen of Dena Nehele. We learn what kind of Queen she is and we meet the Queen that took her first court in this book, Kermilla. We visit the Shalador reserve, Gray comes into his own in this book as does Theran. The SaDiablo family is featured quite a bit in this as well. Big things happen here but there's a lot of humour and romance as well as a few teary moments.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on March 03, 2010, 12:50:37 pm
Is Theran still a classist, lookist asshole?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Elle on March 03, 2010, 01:33:52 pm
Yup. Full on.
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Post by: Vic on March 03, 2010, 04:19:34 pm
OK, I really loved this book.  I actually bought the ebook (because I hadn't preordered and the audio wasn't ready and what can I say, I caved)  And then used an audible credit when it finally was available on the site.  Anyway, enough about my book addiction and more about the book...

:-LOVE Gray and Ranon.  I loved how Ranon put the Queen first at the very beginning and they ended up setting up court in Shalador.  Theran was full on asshat STILL in this book and I'm sorry, didn't feel least sorry for him in the end either.  Love Witch for caring for the people enough to give DN another chance with a Kaeler queen!   :-LOVE   :-LOVE  :-LOVE the schelties - (Khollie - such a cutie).   :-LOVE the parts with the SaDiablo family.  Hmm, guess this isn't much of an intelligent discussion - just a gush fest.  :-[
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Elle on March 03, 2010, 08:11:01 pm
Everything you said, Vic. Gushfest allowed, it was a really wonderful gem of a book.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ppbwashu on March 04, 2010, 08:42:01 am
Argh!  My hubby went to the local bookstore to pick up a copy of Shalador's Lady (which he didn't remember the title of), and came home with the paperback version of the first book in the series.  My sister took it back, and they wouldn't give a full refund because they're also a used bookstore, and had automatically stamped the inside with their resale pricing scheme.  Then my sister agreed to let them give her $3 for the book (not very clever on her part), and had to order the hardcover (which will not be in until next week).  Color me extremely disappointed.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on March 04, 2010, 11:16:53 am
Oh I just devoured this book! I loved it! I loved Grey and Ranon and Cassidy and I even liked how Bishop handled Theron. Note, I did not say that I liked Theron. But she described the way that warriors "recognized" their queens in a way I don't recall in prior books. This made the process by which Dorotea and Heketah came to power a bit more understandable. Because of this recognition, Theron - who is still an asshat, BTW - saw what's-her-doodle through the eyes of love. I compared it to people who stay in relationships that anyone else easily recognizes that are bad, but do so because they continue to see that person in a positive light, or remember the good times. The part I find the most confusing about the whole thing, actually, is why no one even told Theron the reason that Cassidy hated her. Honestly, not that I think it would have made much difference in how he acted, but shouldn't someone have had *a* conversation with him about it?

I loved the tension in this book - it really did seem believable. And the dynamics between Queens and Warriors and Warrior Princes were terrific. And I loved hearing the details about how Cassidy helped bring the area to life again.
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Post by: Vic on March 04, 2010, 11:37:31 am
I agree that there was more world building/explanation on a real bond being formed between the queen and her court (and esp. the warlord princes).  This is the first time in the series that this is explained or really even shown in a real extent.  It's shown a bit in the black court with Lucivar and Saeten at times but it was definitely made very clear here and does explain more how the "rot" in Tereille could get established.   Loved J saying that both Ranon and Gray would have been 2nd circle.  About whether anyone would say anything to Theran about how Cassy lost her first court... I don't think it was out of character for anyone not to say anything.  He made it clear he was not pulled by Cassy, thought little of her as a queen (EVEN when he saw her doing good for the people of the territory AND finding the treasure), and would find another queen he thought was better at the drop of a pin.  And if it were explained that Cassy's whole 1st circle signed on to K as soon as their contracts were up - I think he'd see that as, "well, DUH - of course they would" and not as a betrayal against Cassy.  Loved him being escorted (herded) by Lady Rhahn at the end!  Am DYING to know what Falanor did and how Daemon handled him.

ppbwashu ~ ACK!  Sorry to hear about the drama and then you being left without the book to top it all off!  Hopefully you'll get it soon and then you can sooth yourself with its goodness!
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Post by: Varg on March 04, 2010, 12:30:31 pm
I am soo impatient. I have ordered the book and it has shipped, but today I almost bought it at fictionwise. :o Must control impulses!
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Post by: berryblu on March 04, 2010, 01:41:50 pm
This book is wonderful!  I loved all the connections to the first trilogy, making the world really one, especially with Gray knowing the most powerful and continuing to contact them.  It all made sense to me and wouldn't have worked without it. I, too, hope to find out what Falonar did to deserve his fate.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on March 04, 2010, 08:05:24 pm
So do you think that there will be a third book? This one seemed to have a solid ending. I find the vague mention of Falonar interesting. I know it's mentioned in one of the other books (Tangled Webs, maybe?) that he left Surreal b/c he couldn't handle her strength and that he kind of broke her heart. Do you think there is more to the story? Or that maybe Surreal will have a romance herself?   And I totally see what you're saying, Vic. Theron would've just taken that as confirmation that he was right to dislike her. Sigh. What a prick. You know, I really loved how Grey said that he did regret protecting him all those years.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Vic on March 04, 2010, 09:37:25 pm
Ms Bishop has a new anthology of shorts for the Black Jewels series coming out in 2011.  One of those shorts will include what happened with Falonar.  I am hoping that there will be another full length novel in this world as well next year but no word on that as of yet.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on March 05, 2010, 10:40:09 am
Ms Bishop has a new anthology of shorts for the Black Jewels series coming out in 2011.  One of those shorts will include what happened with Falonar.  I am hoping that there will be another full length novel in this world as well next year but no word on that as of yet.

Ooh, I didn't know that! Sounds good.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on March 07, 2010, 04:25:01 pm
I really hate to think of the anthology being the last one, but where do you think she could take the series?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Avarel on March 07, 2010, 05:30:24 pm
She could continue with Lady Cassidy and Jared Blade... or she could tell a story about Surreal...or Wilhelmina. I'd like to see more of Karla, or maybe another of the Kaeleer Queens.
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Post by: Vic on March 07, 2010, 06:04:48 pm
She could continue with Lady Cassidy and Jared Blade... or she could tell a story about Surreal...or Wilhelmina. I'd like to see more of Karla, or maybe another of the Kaeleer Queens.

I totally agree.  But I would prefer a story that would cross with the characters with a strong tie to the Black court.  I can't imagine a Black Jewels story without some reference to the SaDiablo's!
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Post by: mtomni on March 07, 2010, 08:43:13 pm
A Lady Surreal story would be lovely.  It would be nice if she could find someone.  He'd have to be someone really special, though.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Avarel on March 07, 2010, 08:51:53 pm
Yeah, Surreal needs a happily ever after...

She probably wouldn't want a warlord prince though... could show us the side of life that has little to do with the Queens and their courts.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on March 08, 2010, 07:19:20 am
I don't know.  I think she'd need someone she could stand nose to nose in a fight and be equal to him.  Learn how to give and take.
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Post by: charmed on March 08, 2010, 09:59:17 am
Totally off topic, but Avartel: Your banner is Cool!!  :D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Avarel on March 08, 2010, 11:18:48 am
Totally off topic, but Avartel: Your banner is Cool!!  :D
Thanks!

I think Surreal has enough Warlord Princes in her life to fight with. and just because someone isn't a warlord prince doesn't mean they won't fight back... just that Warlord Princes have an edge.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on March 19, 2010, 09:55:26 am
Having just finished re-reading Shalador's Lady, I realized that I'm glad that Theron's an ass. It would've been too convenient for the reader to have the perfect relationship between the First Consort and the Queen (at least at first). And so now we get a great storyline about Grey's journey to being a true warlord prince. I realized I also liked the storyline where there was no war. At first I thought it was a little bit of a letdown to have the conflict be resolved by pen and paper - it was a little less action-packed - but it brought a new dimension to the series. And then it mirrored the First Circle making a choice to stay with Cassidy.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Vic on March 19, 2010, 10:18:11 pm
I've listened to the audio book at LEAST 3 times since reading the book and LOVE it!  Someone over on LKH's board for other authors (which AB apparently monitors fairly frequently - at least for now) asked something quite intuitive that I didn't even realize until it was asked.  When it is mentioned that Kara has a family with her Master of the Guard and adopted step-daughter, that step-daughter is the one saved by Kaelas (della) in book 3 of the BJ original trilogy

Also, new anthology of BJ shorts coming out next year - 2 taking place before SL (1 I think will be covering what happened with Falonar and 2 taking place after.  SOOO excited.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on March 22, 2010, 12:56:41 pm
I've listened to the audio book at LEAST 3 times since reading the book and LOVE it!  Someone over on LKH's board for other authors (which AB apparently monitors fairly frequently - at least for now) asked something quite intuitive that I didn't even realize until it was asked.  When it is mentioned that Kara has a family with her Master of the Guard and adopted step-daughter, that step-daughter is the one saved by Kaelas (della) in book 3 of the BJ original trilogy

Also, new anthology of BJ shorts coming out next year - 2 taking place before SL (1 I think will be covering what happened with Falonar and 2 taking place after.  SOOO excited.

Awesome, Vic! I did not catch that at all.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Kitara on March 22, 2010, 02:23:34 pm
I've listened to the audio book at LEAST 3 times since reading the book and LOVE it!  Someone over on LKH's board for other authors (which AB apparently monitors fairly frequently - at least for now) asked something quite intuitive that I didn't even realize until it was asked.  When it is mentioned that Kara has a family with her Master of the Guard and adopted step-daughter, that step-daughter is the one saved by Kaelas (della) in book 3 of the BJ original trilogy

Also, new anthology of BJ shorts coming out next year - 2 taking place before SL (1 I think will be covering what happened with Falonar and 2 taking place after.  SOOO excited.

Good, we get Falonar's stupid a**.  I would actually love the story of how Karla formed that little family. And this explains why Karla needs to fix the spell with Kaeaskavi, because he is friends with the little girl.
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Post by: Varg on March 23, 2010, 07:24:16 am
I have Shaladors Lady. 2 weks + of shipping time, but today it was in the mail :D
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Post by: Vic on March 27, 2010, 09:02:47 am
Yes, I'm dying for the Falonar story and I want it to include Daemon's resolution to the problem!  I too would love to hear about Karla forming the family with her Master of the Guard/Della/KaiAskavi.

I really can't get enough of the Black Jewels world!  The first 3 books of the trilogy are being released in audio 1/month starting in Apr and I'm very happy about that too!  This series on audio are up there with the Mercy/A&O as go-to audio when I'm between books and not sure what I want to listen to.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on March 27, 2010, 11:33:16 am
The books are being released in audio?  Interesting.  Since I have VERY definite ideas of how Daemon sounds, as well as Saeton, Luciver, etc., who would do the reading?  That could be a real let down.
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Post by: Dusk on March 28, 2010, 01:46:10 am
Oh my gosh, I just finished the book and LOVED it!!!! The BJ Series is one of my favourites that i re-read on a regular basis  :-LOVE :-LOVE :-LOVE

I would love to read another Surreal story, particulary since she is now 'working' for Daemon  LOL I agree with all the above posts on the Falonar issue coz he was very likable in Bk3.

Will be looking out for the short stories next yeah  :D Ahhhh i am so loving this book LOL LOL LOL :-LOVE :-LOVE :-LOVE
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Vic on March 28, 2010, 05:00:06 am
RE: audio books ~ John Sharian is the narrator - he reads the other BJ books that are currently on audio (Invisible Ring, Tangled Webs, Shadow Queen, & Shalador's Lady (http://www.audible.com/adbl/site/products/ProductDetail.jsp?productID=BK_PENG_001430&BV_UseBVCookie=Yes)).  You can follow link to SL here (US Audible) to hear sample.  I really didn't care for him all that much when I first got Tangled Webs but after listening to all the Black Jewel audios over and over, I've gotten used to him and now kind of appreciate him.  Anne mentioned that she loves John's narration in this series.  For me, Jaenelle's voice annoyed but as always, YMMV.  I'm anxiously awaiting getting the original trilogy on audio.  I'm so glad that Anne has continued to write in this world because I would have been totally let down for it to have all ended at the end of book 3!

She's going to be releasing her other trilogy in audio starting end of this year IRC.  These books would be using different narrator.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on March 28, 2010, 01:04:57 pm
Hmm, I have listened to some of the samples and I really don't care for the narrator at all.I can't really put it into words but I did not like the way he read. Besides that there is the thing about me not being a native speaker of english, so that I pronounce the non english sounding names differently in my head, and when I hear them out loud like this with an american accent it just sounds all wrong to me.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Vic on March 28, 2010, 01:39:58 pm
The reader for an audio book can KILL a book and everyone's opinion varies.  Like I said, I didn't like him all that much at first either.  I'm sure not being native English speaker does affect how receptive you are to a narrator as well.  I know lots of books have been done in audio in different languages but not sure the availability for BJ in anything other than English.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on March 28, 2010, 01:52:16 pm
I am not sure not being a native speaker of english need affect how you like a narrator at all. I really like the audio version of the Dresden books  for instance. Different people different reactions.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on April 02, 2010, 11:09:21 am
Finished SHALADOR'S LADY.  Loved it!  Really.  Great, great book.  Now I want to go back and re-read the whole dang series.

Okay first of all...KERMILLA.  Ugh.  The first scene of hers I read, I felt the same repulsion I felt when reading Dorothea and Hekatah's scenes.  Just this sense of dread, of not wanting to read those scenes.  Not that she was anywhere NEAR as bad as they, but she was certainly their type of Queen, wasn't she?  Man, if she'd known about the Rings of Obedience, she would have been all over them.  Nasty woman.  I think Jeanelle was too generous with her.  Call me blood-thirsty, but she deserved Carenne's fate.  I just don't see anything redeeming in her.

Theran...  Still a jerk, but a stupid, blind jerk.  I felt a little sorry for him toward the end.  HE definitely deserves a second chance, though, so I'm glad Jaenelle gave him one.

The Scelties crack me up.  I've owned two Shelties, and Bishop really got their personalities down:  bouncy, imperious, bossy, insistent, hyper-vigilant, nippy, yippy, energetic.

Who was Sabrina?  I really just do not remember her at all.  Was she part of Jaenelle's coven?

Why does Marian call Saetan UNCLE SAETAN?  She shouldn't call him that.  She should call him Papa.  (I want her to call him Papa!  ha!)

Oh, so sad...Daemon and Lucivar.  It's always hard to see a strong man cry.

When Gray got the rings -- the gift from Daemon -- for some reason, I really expected there to be another type of ring in there...the ring like the First Circle boys wore.  The Coven had them, too, but wore them on their fingers while the boyos wore them...elsewhere.

GREAT to see Karla.  So sorry to read that she's aging so badly and quickly.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ppbwashu on April 05, 2010, 10:39:59 am
I read Shalador's Lady while on vacation, and it was wonderful.  It was everything the first book in this trilogy should have been.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on April 05, 2010, 10:43:34 am
I read Shalador's Lady while on vacation, and it was wonderful.  It was everything the first book in this trilogy should have been.

PPBW, I don't think the new books are supposed to be a trilogy.  Are they?  (Or wait a minute, I guess you're counting Tangled Webs, aren't you?)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ppbwashu on April 05, 2010, 10:48:23 am
Nifty, I wasn't counting Tangled Webs, 'cause they didn't include Cassady, Theron and Grey (Jared).  I just assumed that it was going to be a trilogy, :-[ but I can see where just two books can easily wrap up the story line.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on April 05, 2010, 12:17:12 pm
Oh, gotcha.  I don't know if there's another RELATED book that will continue the story of Gray and Cassidy.  I know that next March, she's going to have another anthology out.  From what I've gleaned on line, there will be 4 stories.  Two of them will be set in the period of time BEFORE The Shadow Queen.  And two of them will be set in the time following Shalador's Lady.

1) Falonar will be the topic of one story, or at least the mystery of what happened to him will be revealed.
2) One story will focus on Karla and her adopted family.  (You probably realize, of course, that she's gay.  And since you've read the books, you caught the part that indicated that she's adopted the little girl who was saved by Kaelas and Kai-Askavi.  She's got a little family unit going with this little girl and her Master of the Guard.)
3) One story will focus on Jeanelle and Daemon and the question of a child for them.  (Anne didn't indicated that they would have a child.  She just said that that would be addressed in one of those short stories.)

I'm not sure about the remaining story (or even if Falonar's story will be separate, or rolled into one of the others).

I love the idea of J&D having a kid.  I want them to have a girl, a Queen, and I want Daemonar to take one look at her and claim her.  So he would be to her what Lucivar is to Jaenelle.  And Daemon should definitely have daughters.  Not that he shouldn't have sons, too, but he should definitely have daughters.

Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Vic on April 05, 2010, 02:43:26 pm
In a way, The Invisible Ring could be seen as book 1 and then Shadow Queen and Shalador's Lady follows.  Not sure if Anne plans to continue with another full length book with Cassidy and Gray.

Looking forward to the new shorts in the Black Jewels world.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ppbwashu on April 05, 2010, 03:29:27 pm
Vic, that's a good observation, and one I thought about as I read The Shadow Queen.  However, I was so engrossed while reading Shalador's Lady that I totally forgot that idea. :-[
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on April 05, 2010, 05:08:54 pm
Very good point, Vic, about Invisible Ring.  Those three stories (IR, SQ, SL) definitely work together as a trilogy.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on April 06, 2010, 05:21:20 am
Do you think she'll stop this series after the anthology?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on April 06, 2010, 05:44:33 am
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Do you think she'll stop this series after the anthology?
I dunno.  I hope not, because I really enjoy the characters.  But who knows what ideas she has in her head.

I will say that I wonder if her OTHER series sell as well as the BJ series.  She hit the NYT bestseller list with Shalador's Lady, and that was the first time she'd ever done so.  I don't remember what her placement was the first week, but in the second week, she went to #9.  So...top-10.  That makes me wonder if she (or her editor/publisher) would want her to return to some of her other series or keep on with the BJ series.


Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on April 06, 2010, 07:23:29 am
I think she mentioned she would like to write another ephemera book? But I also hope she wont stop writing in this world. I have to admit I prefer her Black Jewels series than her others. Although I did enjoy the Ephemera one. Her fae series not so much.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on April 06, 2010, 07:24:54 am
I second that.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ppbwashu on April 06, 2010, 07:26:39 am
I LOVED the Ephemera series, and I would really like to see her do another book in that world.  Not that I want her to stop writing BJ novels, because there's a lot of good stories there.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on April 06, 2010, 07:41:50 am
I think her "problem" with the BJ series is that she wrote herself into a corner with respect to the villains.  Dorothea and Hekatah were VILLAINOUS.  Seriously, they are at the top of my list of All-Time Most Villainous Villains.  They were just evil.  And they needed to be destroyed in the original Trilogy, so I'm glad they were.  That made that story complete. 

But the drawback -- from my perspective -- is that it's tough for Bishop to recapture all that gritty complexity that was in the first book, because none of the new villains rank up there with D&H.  And if she did write a book with a villain to rival D&H, then I would wonder how that happened.  How did that new villain survive Jaenelle's witch-storm?  It would seem (to me) like an inconsistency.

Still, for me, I'm still enjoying the "new" books because I like the characters and the world.  I don't feel disappointed in them, even as I recognize that they don't have the hard edge that the trilogy had, because I just appreciate having more pages to read.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on April 06, 2010, 07:59:17 am
I have hopes and it was shown in the last few books that Dorothea and Heketah's influences did not completely die out. But I agree there wasn't that conflict but you can never get rid of darkness- spite turns to bitterness which can lead to some twisted individuals ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on April 06, 2010, 08:05:07 am
Well, how about....

If Witch is dreams made flesh, how about a NIGHTMARES made flesh?  Could there be a nasty version of Witch out there somewhere, gestating?

And...random thought...I wonder if Alexandra (Angelline) survived the witch-storm.  She wasn't as bad a person as D&H.  Don't know that I'd call her tainted.  I'm just curious.

Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on April 06, 2010, 08:12:06 am
Oh, scary thought.

Hmm I tend to think that Alexandra would have died. This was just my gut reaction. Will have to think some more as to why I feel that way.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ppbwashu on April 06, 2010, 08:32:39 am
I think I have to agree with Varg about Alexandra, Nifty.  If she had actually known Jaenelle was Witch (dreams made flesh of ALL dreamers, including the kindred), Alexandra would have killed her.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on April 06, 2010, 09:37:17 am
I don't know, she may have been willing to kill Witch, but that was the same gut reaction that makes some people racist/ or whatever. Doesn't mean they deserve to die. After all, she did want to protect her people as much as possible.

I just see Alexandra as weak-willed, not evil.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on April 06, 2010, 10:08:09 am
The witch storm was supposed to remove the taint from the Blood. Not remove the tainted Blood as in persons. Alexandra, even if she was not tainted herself was a part of the taint to the all the Blood, and because of that she would have died during the storm. IMO
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on April 06, 2010, 10:16:38 am
I always got the impression that it removed the tainted Blood - by which Bishop meant kill those Blood who were tainted. Kermilla tells that other little queen that a huge number of Blood died during the Purge.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Vic on April 06, 2010, 10:28:47 am
I agree with Zealith and think that's part of why Jaenelle broke her back to Basic Craft rather than killing her.  She was kind of a dupe to Dorothea in trying to kidnap J's sister but she wasn't trying to be evil.    So, I do think she's probably alive as long has she hasn't gotten close enough to any of the boys ... because I think if she crossed paths with them again... it'd be curtains!  :P
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on April 06, 2010, 10:38:25 am
Or she could have died in the landan uprising. Assuming it happened in that territory too. I just doubt Jaenelle killed her.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on April 06, 2010, 10:55:13 am
Of course, Bishop could go back in time and write about BEFORE the purge.  The Invisible Ring was written first, wasn't it?  I suppose she could go back to that era or before?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on April 06, 2010, 10:56:08 am
That's a good thought, mtomni!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on April 06, 2010, 12:16:42 pm
And of course there are always smaller triumphs to deal with.

What about all those who were abused by the system, and finally wind up with a little bit of power, go way over board with it?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on April 06, 2010, 12:56:34 pm
<snip>
But the drawback -- from my perspective -- is that it's tough for Bishop to recapture all that gritty complexity that was in the first book, because none of the new villains rank up there with D&H.  And if she did write a book with a villain to rival D&H, then I would wonder how that happened.  How did that new villain survive Jaenelle's witch-storm?  It would seem (to me) like an inconsistency.
<snip>

At first, I thought that too. But then, thinking on it, I realized it mustn't be so: Jaenelle removed the taint that was cast on the Blood by Dorothea and Hekatah, but that doesn't necessarily mean that a person can't become evil for other reasons. If this were the case, the witch-storm wouldn't have killed that person, still you'd have a villain on your hands. The fact that Jaenelle is still up and about though might prevent, in itself, the descent into depravity that Dorothea and Hekatah had provoked. :)

I think Alexandra is still alive: in the first book of the trilogy, Dorothea sends Daemon in Alexandra's court coz she's one of the few that still doesn't let her corrupt the Blood in that part of Terreille. That puts her outside the boundaries of the taint spread by D&H. The fact that she was completely blind to most other things doesn't make her a villain in and of itself. :o
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on April 06, 2010, 01:01:00 pm
The fact that Jaenelle is still up and about though might prevent, in itself, the descent into depravity that Dorothea and Hekatah had provoked. :)

Well, plus... D&H had THOUSANDS of years to wreak havoc.  It was as bad as it was partly because they'd been working at it for so many centuries.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on April 06, 2010, 01:12:55 pm
Right, I had forgotten about that little bit. :-[
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Shipa on April 07, 2010, 08:35:15 pm
Jaenelle removed the taint that was cast on the Blood by Dorothea and Hekatah, but that doesn't necessarily mean that a person can't become evil for other reasons.

Case in point: Kermilla and even Theran to an extent. Neither are precisely evil but under bad influence both can become something that would've been killed in the purge.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on April 08, 2010, 10:48:51 am
This brings up an interesting issue. To what extent are Kermilla and Theron "evil?" Especially Theron, really. He didn't actively hurt people, but he sure as heck allowed them to be hurt. But he was completely clueless. He was so focused on doing what HE thought was right that he ignored the chaos around him. So that says "possibly evil" to me. But then he did so at least partially because he felt that bond with Kermilla. It's a magical bond that helped sway him. So maybe not so evil? I think there can be a gray area here. I think Theron definitely deserves to be punished (in even worse ways than he might think he is), but I think there should also be an acknowledgement that he did so unintentionally, which is where I think Cassie and Jared Blaed's attempt at welcoming him back comes into play. Can Theron learn his lesson? Can he be redeemed? And in Kermilla's case, that was the decision that was made, so apparently Janelle and Saetan believed she could learn her lesson - or perhaps, that she should be given the chance to learn her lesson.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on April 08, 2010, 10:54:28 am
Kermilla and Theron both seem to be somewhat very shallow and self involved. Kermilla seems to be terribly spoilt and nobody seems to have ever told her no! and made it stick. Or managed to make her see other people as real. And Theron just did not cope well when confronted with a different solution to the queen problem than he had envisioned, and asking for the old ways of the blood and getting them are two different things. What he got was not what he imagined he would get.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Shipa on April 08, 2010, 08:40:28 pm
Ok. Think of a rather weak (in terms of Jewel strength) Queen/Warlord/Warlord Prince who is in a position of power under Dorothea/Hekatah's rule. They're thinking even though I hate those two bitches, the only way I can (somewhat) protect my people is to allow limited abuse of them. Over time this "limited" abuse becomes the norm; the Queen/Warlord/Warlord Prince per Dorothea/Hekatah's order increases the level of abuse a fraction. This happens enough times, they cross the gray area into something "evil" no matter what their intentions are. I see Theran as this type of person. He kept doing what he thought right, without adjusting his perspective to reality. Kermilla presence and his bond with her clouded his judgment even more. At the end of Shadow Queen, I thought he had seen the error of his way but that (as we all know) didn't turn out to be true. His sole redeeming feature is the fact that after causing so much problems, he was able to realize Kermilla's flaws and not destroy Dena Nehele completely. This alone gives him worthy of the chance to prove himself. But he was already given multiple chances during Shadow Queen and Shalador's Lady. What is to say that he wouldn't slide back into the narrow focus. Although being the only territory of a Sceltie Queen who outranks him will probably be good for him. Don't mistake me though, I think he has great potential to be a character to expand more in later books (if Anne Bishop writes more in the Dena Nehele storyline).

As for Kermilla, I did not see a single redeeming feature in her. She is manipulative, selfish, ego-centric, uncaring of anything but herself. She may be end up becoming good person but I have a hard time believing she will turn out to be a good Queen. That would require too fundamental a change in a nature that I don't foresee. And other than her youth, she is not that much different than the two women who tried to manipulate Sadi and Saetan (in the Dreams Made Flesh novella and Shadow Queen respectively). Or it could my pessimistic attitude talking...
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on April 09, 2010, 03:36:01 am
As for Kermilla, I did not see a single redeeming feature in her.

Same here.  Jeanelle's giving her a homely face is a bit of poetic justice, but I don't think it will have positive results.  In fact, I tend to think the opposite:  I think Kermilla will be so outraged by her plain face that she'll become bitter and resentful and even more malicious.  I don't see a positive outcome for her at all.

Theran on the other hand....  He's a jerk and shallow as a dinner plate, but he DOES love his his people and he DOES want what's best for them.  And I do think that he realized the error of his ways, even if he couldn't make himself stop loving Kermilla.  So I have high hopes that for Theran, there WILL be a positive outcome. 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Avarel on April 15, 2010, 10:59:29 pm
I wonder if one of the short stories will be about Wilhelmina.

I've been curious about the girl that loves Jaenelle, but doesn't really connect with Witch.
Most of the people either love Witch/Jaenelle, or they don't see/understand her (Theran, Alexandra, etc)
I think Wilhelmina would be an interesting point of view.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Dusk on April 26, 2010, 12:04:24 am
I wonder if one of the short stories will be about Wilhelmina.

I've been curious about the girl that loves Jaenelle, but doesn't really connect with Witch.
Most of the people either love Witch/Jaenelle, or they don't see/understand her (Theran, Alexandra, etc)
I think Wilhelmina would be an interesting point of view.

I was curious about wilhelmina myself, i would really like to see a short story about her.

I would also like to see a third book about Casidy and the two territories that now exist. I think there are a few more lessons that theran needs to learn and would like to see if more Shalador Queens come out of hiding.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: elleno on May 20, 2010, 06:17:06 pm
I'm such a fan of the Anne Bishop Blood series, I always get the books and read them within a few hours and then I just have to wait for the next release.

..which is not at all different from the other authors/series I'm a fan of   :-[
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on May 23, 2010, 09:25:27 am
Actually, I read them.  Go back after a couple of months and read it again.....and again...and again.  I think I've read the Black Jewels trilogy a dozen times or more.  I'm stuck and I can't get out!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: HiddenSparkle on May 24, 2010, 01:57:01 pm
I doubt this would be a story line that AB will go down but after rereading Shalador's Lady again (I can never get enough!!), I reread Lucivar and Marian's story I couldn't help but wonder what it would be like if they had a child who had no wings. Lucivar's mother Luthvian didn't have wings and so that possibility is in the blood line. I have no idea where she could go with that but it popped into my head and wouldn't go away. LOL
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: jackie on May 24, 2010, 01:59:32 pm
It's not that she didn't have the potential of wings - they were removed.   When she tried to remove Lucivar's wings, Saetan took Lucivar away from her.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: HiddenSparkle on May 24, 2010, 02:05:11 pm
I thought she was born with no wings because she had Hekatah as a great-great-great etc grandmother. ??? I must have read that wrong...
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Vic on May 24, 2010, 02:31:55 pm
I thought she was born with no wings because she had Hekatah as a great-great-great etc grandmother. ??? I must have read that wrong...

I thought the same...
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: jackie on May 24, 2010, 02:34:05 pm
No, the non Eyrians feared and were jealous of the wings.  It wasn't unusual for girls especially to have wings removed.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on May 24, 2010, 07:54:12 pm
Hmm, I remember Saetan mentioned that she had no scars, so I assumed she'd been born without them.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on May 25, 2010, 06:40:30 am
I am quite sure I remember that she was born without wings. Saetan mentions somewhere that he did not know she was eyrien because she had no wings and no scars from having them removed and so Lucivar being eyrien was a surprise to him.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on May 25, 2010, 07:12:16 am
Varg, I believe you're right.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on July 22, 2010, 08:44:35 am
I read a blog just now that revealed new Fantasy covers. The first one is River Marked (which I posted in the appropriate thread), but halfway down there's one for a book called Twilight's Dawn.

Quote
eleases March 1, 2011. This is…somewhere in that huge Black Jewels series.

Visit the author’s site.

    Anne Bishop’s “darkly fascinating”* Black Jewel novels have enthralled readers and critics alike with their mixture of fantasy, intrigue, and romance. Now in Twilight’s Dawn, Bishop returns to the Bloodrealm with four all-new captivating novellas.

The blog post is here (http://www.lurvalamode.com/2010/07/20/cover-spotlight-2011-fantasy-finds/), with the cover.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on July 22, 2010, 09:46:12 am
Over on Spirits of the Damned, someone posted the following synopses of the various short stories.  I don't know to what "newsgroup" this person is referring.  Certainly, Anne hasn't yet updated her website with these blurbs:

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Release date-March 2011

Anne posted the back cover synopsis of the four shorts contained in this book on her newsgroup.  Can I just say, the last one has a foreboding feel to it (or at least to what occurs prior to it...)

Winsol Gifts

Daemon, the Black Jeweled Warlord Prince of Dhemlan, is settling into his first year of married life with his Witch Queen Jaenelle. But as the thirteen-day celebration of Winsol draws near, Daemon finds himself being pulled in too many directions as he plays host to his formidable family?

Shades of Honor
Still recovering from the ordeal that left her wounded and angry, Surreal returns to Ebon Rih on the orders of Prince Lucivar. And when her former lover Falonar ruthlessly challenges the rule of her family, Surreal may finally succumb to the darkness burning inside her?

Family

When someone lays a vicious trap for Queen Sylvia and her sons, the fallout completely disrupts the lives of the ruling family of Dhemlan. Now, they have to uncover the identity of the warlord known only as No Face, before he returns to finish what he started?

The High Lord?s Daughter

After losing the two most important people in his life, Daemon has assumed his father Saetan?s role as High Lord of Hell and built a wall around his heart.
 But when he inadvertently forges a new connection, will it be enough to break him free from his loveless life?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Kate on July 22, 2010, 05:46:39 pm
Um....
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The High Lord?s Daughter

After losing the two most important people in his life, Daemon has assumed his father Saetan?s role as High Lord of Hell and built a wall around his heart.
 But when he inadvertently forges a new connection, will it be enough to break him free from his loveless life?

This had BETTER take place BEFORE Jaenelle.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on July 22, 2010, 06:12:52 pm
Yeah, I was thinking similiar, only I was hoping they got the description wrong. I would have thought Anne Bishop would want to play around with Jaenelle before killing her off.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on July 22, 2010, 06:21:54 pm
Quote
The High Lord?s Daughter
After losing the two most important people in his life, Daemon has assumed his father Saetan?s role as High Lord of Hell and built a wall around his heart.   But when he inadvertently forges a new connection, will it be enough to break him free from his loveless life?
This had BETTER take place BEFORE Jaenelle.

Over on LKH's forum -- where Anne posts regularly -- someone had a similar comment, and Anne's reply was: You know the saying about being careful what you wish for? Readers have been asking "what happens when..." for several years. Now you'll have the answer. That said, don't panic. The stories in Twilight's Dawn span decades, so it's not as bad as you're thinking. http://forum.laurellkhamilton.org/showthread.php?6370-Twilight-s-Dawn

Anne has stated in the past that while Daemon is from one of the long-lived races, Jaenelle is not.  Jaenelle will have a "normal" lifespan.  For whatever reason, I seem to recall seeing 120 years or some such.  And of course when they meet, Daemon is already 1700 years old!!  So, sad as it is to contemplate, we readers have to accept that Jaenelle will not always be "in the picture."  Not that I'm saying that's what's going on in this story.  I don't know.  I'm just speculating.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Kate on July 22, 2010, 06:50:15 pm
I feel kind of bad saying this, but if/when Jaenelle dies and leaves Daemon alone, this series is dead to me. I'm sorry. I just don't want to see it.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on July 23, 2010, 04:51:01 am
I feel kind of bad saying this, but if/when Jaenelle dies and leaves Daemon alone, this series is dead to me. I'm sorry. I just don't want to see it.

I don't know that I can make that statement yet, although I certainly understand it!!  For me, it would depend on how the stories were written AFTER.  And I would be mad if Jaenelle died unexpectedly, at still a young age.  But if they have a long life together and then she dies, I dunno that that would bother me.  (It just occurred to me that in a way, Daemon and Jaenelle's relationship has a bit of that age-old vampire/human conundrum in that, for all intents and purposes, Daemon is immortal and Jaenelle is not.  She will age and grow old, and he will stay youthful and in his prime during her lifetime.  And the story says that as Witch, Jaenelle cannot become demon-dead.  I wonder if, after she's dead, he'll still be able to see her in the misty place.) I think it's interesting that Anne said the stories in Twilight's Dawn span decades.  That makes me think this might be her swan song for the series?  I dunno.  I hope not.  I enjoy the Realms.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on July 23, 2010, 07:34:53 am
You know I am open to this because Daemon is such a memorable character and if its set decades after it would be interesting to see how things pan out. Although I would be sad to see if Jaenelle is not alive but it might be a way for Anne to see if she can continue the series without her.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Elle on July 23, 2010, 07:47:46 am
I feel kind of bad saying this, but if/when Jaenelle dies and leaves Daemon alone, this series is dead to me. I'm sorry. I just don't want to see it.

I'm kinda with you there Kate. I was really looking forward to this but I have to say I'm a bit leery of it now. I may need to fortify myself with spoilers before I wade into the deep end of the pool here.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on July 23, 2010, 03:26:43 pm
Well, I can't complain if she dies after they have a chance to live a decent life together.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Elle on July 23, 2010, 05:27:18 pm
Z, I can't either...I just don't want to read about it.  :-[
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on October 08, 2010, 12:08:57 pm
I wonder if Daemon and Jaenelle have any children and will they be mentioned?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on October 10, 2010, 07:00:34 pm
Hoepfully in the upcoming anthology.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on November 12, 2010, 11:35:30 am
I just came across this on twitter - It looks like Twilight's Dawn is the end of an era and that although it might not be the end of the Black Jewels Trilogy I think this will be the closure for a lot of characters according to this guest post by Anne.

http://bit.ly/aDfy8Q
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on November 12, 2010, 11:39:31 am
Thanks Has.  :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Elle on November 12, 2010, 07:00:23 pm
Thanks Has. I especially liked this part:

Quote from: Anne Bishop
With the stories in Twilight’s Dawn, the SaDiablos have told me it’s time to let go. Some of the questions readers have been asking since the Black Jewels Trilogy was first published have been answered. Other questions may always remain a mystery for all of us—and that’s as it should be. Sometimes the veil that keeps a character from being fully revealed is as important to our enjoyment of a story as the things we are allowed to see.

Sad to see them go. I'll have to have someone give me spoilers of Twilight's Dawn before I read it. I'm such a wimp.  ;D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Good Mazoku on November 14, 2010, 03:43:49 am
Thanks for the link! :)

Elle - I'm with you there: I'm sad to see them go, but Anne's right about keeping the veil in place about the characters. :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on November 14, 2010, 10:21:10 am
I like it. I love the series, but have been feeling that it might be time to let the SaDiablo's go before they go downhill.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on November 16, 2010, 05:58:45 pm
I like it. I love the series, but have been feeling that it might be time to let the SaDiablo's go before they go downhill.

I agree.  I love the books, love the characters, but as much as have enjoyed the recent books, they have not been as spectacular as the original series.  Thankfully she wrote the books in such a way that the original trilogy is inviolate, but still...now's a good time to say goodbye.

(Although...I wouldn't mind seeing a future story featuring Daemonar.   :D)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on November 17, 2010, 09:37:37 am
Maybe Daemonar and/or Daemon & Jaenelle's children?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on November 17, 2010, 11:28:43 am
I like it. I love the series, but have been feeling that it might be time to let the SaDiablo's go before they go downhill.
I second this.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on January 15, 2011, 09:09:34 am
2 more months!  2 more months!  I'm getting antsy........... bOuNcY
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on February 14, 2011, 05:47:21 pm
So I heard a good joke for this series earlier today and was extreamly annoyed at not having thought it up myself. Saddly, you need to have read both the Black Jewels Trilogy and seen the Movie Tangled to understand it.

Flynn "Frying pans! Who knew?"
My Sister "I'll tell you who. Lucivar."
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ppbwashu on February 15, 2011, 04:15:57 pm
 LOL LOL LOL
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on February 16, 2011, 06:40:25 am
LOL LOL LOL
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on March 01, 2011, 08:59:09 pm
I don't know if you all caught this, but I'm kinda irritated that I preordered Twilight's Dawn only to find out it's a collection of short stories.  >:(

I guess I preordered the book before the description was listed on Amazon. I had just SO hoped we'd see more awesomeness like Shalador's Lady.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Vic on March 01, 2011, 09:30:45 pm
oh no Cerulean!  So sorry to hear that you didn't realize it was anthology like Dreams Made Flesh.  i hope you at least enjoy 3/4 of the shorts.    From what Anne has been saying this will be last BJ book for quite some time/if ever...  Unless that's changed since I last checked.  :)  This was only series of hers I followed.  Got book 1 of the other fantasy series (not the fae one) and didn't really get into if but will probably try again. 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on March 02, 2011, 04:10:11 am
Oh, that is a let down Ceruleasn. Hopefully the shorts will be good.
 I knew it was an anthology when I ordered so no let down for me. And now that Amazon has shipped it. :D Just wish the shipping times from the UK hadn't suddenly tripled. Some years ago it usually took 3-4 days in transit now it is between ten days and two weeks plus.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on March 02, 2011, 08:45:41 am
Spoilers about the new book....

The 4th story…..  I read that Dear Author review many months ago, so I knew the bones of what to expect with this story.  I wasn’t outraged months ago, and having read the story now, I’m still not outraged.  For me, the pairing seemed natural.  Daemon and Surreal have been good friends for years…hundreds of years.  He’s known her since she was a little girl.  (We don’t know her chronological age, but the stories in this collection do seem to suggest that for the long-lived races, “aging” doesn’t really happen in accordance with the chronology to which we readers are accustomed.  For instance, in the 4th story, which takes place about 120 or so years after the 3rd book, Daemonar is still an adolescent.  Yes, he’s a 120-year-old adolescent, but he’s still a boy.)  So it’s safe to assume that Daemon has known Surreal for hundreds of years, and for most of that, they have been extremely close, and she’s one of the few people he trusts completely.  It’s not just that his personal secrets and business dealings are safe in her hands or that he can rest assured that she has his back, but he knows that he can be himself around her:  no pretense.  And for Surreal it’s the same:  she doesn’t have to hide anything about who she is when she’s with Daemon. 

The love that Surreal feels for Daemon is a bit one-sided in the beginning of the story, in that her love for Daemon has a more romantic flavor than does his love for her.  Her romantic feelings have been growing for decades, perhaps for centuries.  (Certainly, she’s felt a sexual attraction to him since the beginning of the series.)  But she doesn’t feel guilty about her love, or resentful that he doesn’t return it.  She loved Jaenelle, too, and she respects (and honors) what D&J had together.  But the 4th story in this collection spans decades, as Bishop tells us on the title page of the story, and the love between D&S grows and develops as well, adding to what is already a strong foundation of mutual respect, affection, trust, and friendship.

For me, the part of the story that could have been better developed was the characterization of the High Lord’s daughter.  There were shades of the past:  the girl is similar in some ways to Jaenelle, but she’s not Witch.  I did sort of get the impression that she was Witch’s replacement, but not exactly the same as Witch.  (For instance, we’re told she’s not a Queen and it’s not indicated whether she’s a Healer, but it is suggested that she’s perhaps a Black Widow.  I suppose she COULD turn out to be a Queen – when she was very young, Jaenelle didn’t have a psychic scent that revealed she was a Queen either.  So that’s something that could develop for the girl as she ages and matures and grows into the fullness of her power.)  I would have a liked a bit more development and exposition into the mystery surrounding this little witch, and what her connection is to Witch (who is the girl’s special friend…the Song in the Darkness).  (For instance, the Arachnian Weavers make an appearance in this story, and the High Lord’s daughter is, like Jaenelle, “dreams made flesh.”  I got the sense that even though this girl is Surreal and Daemon’s daughter, she is, in some ways, Jaenelle’s daughter as well – Witch’s “daughter of the heart,” much as Jaenelle was Saetan’s daughter of the heart – and that part of the reason why the girl is the way she is is because Jaenelle/Witch contributed specific wishes to the dream.)

What I liked about the direction Bishop (bravely) takes with this 4th story is that I think it paves the way for more stories of the Realms.  I love the original trilogy, and it remains inviolate for me.  I have enjoyed many of the subsequent novels, particularly Cassie’s duology.  But I’ve also always felt that the climax of Queen of the Darkness was so huge and comprehensive that it sort of hobbled Bishop, at least where the Black Jewels stories were concerned.  The subsequent novels have been great, but they’ve lacked the power and impact of that original trilogy.  They’ve been a wonderful catch-up with beloved characters, but even as I’ve enjoyed them, they haven’t wowed me the way the original 3 did.  And how could they?  They have all followed so closely on the heels of the Witch-storm that purged the realms.  I guess malevolence needs a chance to reseed and germinate. 

So I can see how The High Lord’s Daughter can both serve as an Epilogue to the original series as we have known it for the last 10+ years, AND as a Prologue for what further Realms stories may come.  Personally, that would be MY wish in the Darkness.  I really hope that Bishop writes more stories.  I love the caste-system and structure and male-female dynamic of the Realms and would like to read additional stories, and if that means saying goodbye to some beloved characters and branching off in a new direction, so be it. 

(The theme of all 4 stories is “change.”  There’s even some verbiage/exposition/dialogue in which it’s addressed quite directly.  I guess that could be construed as a message from Bishop to her readers.)

Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on March 02, 2011, 10:29:32 am
*must stay away from black lines, must stay away from black lines, must stay away from black lines, must stay away from black lines*
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on March 02, 2011, 10:30:52 am
I haven't read the book but did read the spoilers/review but plan to get the paperback - but
I wonder if Anne should have wrote a longer book for the final story - I think it would have explained it better because it was such a huge change/impact in the series it would have given it more scope about this. I could actually accept Daemon moving on after Jaenelle's death although I did feel a bit upset when I learned what happened - But although I am still iffy on Surreal/Daemon pairing but I think if it was a longer book it would have been much better than being restricted to a short novella
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on March 02, 2011, 11:31:32 am
Has…

My thoughts are these:  No matter how long the story was, or how well she explained it, Bishop was bound to piss readers off….and she probably knew this.  (Authors have a tough job.  They’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t.)  Additionally, I wonder if maybe she didn’t want to write a longer story that would pin her down too securely to canon.  What if she has a vague idea in her head of where she wants to go, but nothing is yet firmed enough for her to write the story?  So by being brief and leaving a lot unresolved, it gives her some room to maneuver.

I was re-reading the story on my lunchbreak….  There’s a scene early in the story in which the Arachnian Queen is examining a tangled web woven by Witch years before she became a song in the Darkness.  So…years before her death.  (Which means that Jaenelle saw this coming…and there are tiny bits and pieces of the story that suggest that not only did she see it coming, she encouraged it in her own subtle ways.)  The web was largely unformed, and what’s more, it was tied to specific dreamers.  The Arachnian Queen muses on how unusual this is because webs tied to particular dreamers may not come to fruition:  the dreamers have to want it enough – and long enough – for the dream to actually take shape.  So then we forward through a few chapters, and there’s the Arachnian Queen again, adding threads to the same web.  The web is taking shape.  And she tells us that the final threads will be added by ANOTHER Arachnian Queen.

Okay…so forward through several more chapters and we find ourselves at the birthright ceremony of Surreal and Daemon’s daughter:  time for her to discover what jewel is her BIRTHRIGHT jewel.  (This is not the offering to the Darkness jewel, mind, which could be up to 3 shades DARKER than her birthright jewel.)  Tradition has it that each child is escorted by someone.  Surreal and Daemon have not discussed which of them will be their daughter’s escort – and then it becomes a non-issue when Tersa steps forward and addresses the girl as “Little sister” and takes her in.  The implication is – or at least suggested – that the girl is a Black Widow.  (Makes sense:  her father, grandfather, and grandmother - Tersa - are all black widows, and if Jaenelle did contribute to the dream that resulted in this girl, then she could have a bit of Jaenelle as well.)

Could the GIRL be the foretold Arachnian Queen, the one who will add the final threads?  Or is the suggestion just that many, many years will pass – possibly lifetimes – before that foretold Arachnian Queen is alive and enthroned and in a position to add the final threads?

I don’t remember much about Kartane SaDiablo, Dorothea’s son.  Was he Hayllian?  I think he was.  Surreal is half Dea al Mon.  Is that a long-lived race?  She’s got the coloring of the long-lived races -- black hair, dark skin, golden eyes – and she’s hundreds of years old.  There’s a paragraph in the story in which Surreal muses on how one of the “issues” she’s had with having a family of her own is that because she’s long-lived, she’d outlive a husband (and possibly children) if she chose someone from the short-lived races, but if she chose someone from the long-lived races, she’d present him with a wife and possible children who would have an abbreviated lifespan.  In other words, she’s long-lived…but not as long-lived as Daemon.  But regardless, the daughter is something more than ½ Hayllian and ¼ Dea al Mon.  She’s gonna live a long, long time.  And as this collection of stories showed, it takes CENTURIES for one of the long-lived races to mature to full adulthood.

To address a comment I’ve read in cyberspace:
Daemon does NOT whore it up after Jaenelle’s death.  He goes into a year-long period of mourning, and then comes back to the living – because that’s what he promised Jaenelle he would do.  For the next 17 years, he OCCASIONALLY goes out with women and has sex with a few of them.  He describes this to the reader as “a handful” of women.  I’d consider that 5 or fewer, I think.  One of those women is the type of woman on whom Surreal had run interference for years:  the type who reminds her of Dorothea.  (So much so that in her mind, Surreal just calls the woman Dorothea, and it pissed her off that Daemon slept with her, and Daemon is aware that Surreal is mad, but not exactly sure WHY she’s mad.)  Daemon himself got that same impression after he bedded her.  When Surreal admits to Daemon what her deal is with the woman, Daemon enters into a celibate period that lasts another 3 years.  So…for the 20-25 years immediately following Jaenelle’s death, he sleeps with a “handful” of women.  That hardly makes him a manwhore.
 


The more I think on this story, the more I admire Bishop’s bravery.  I really do.  It took guts to do what she did.  And readers…we’re just never happy.  No matter what.  If the series goes on for too long, we complain.  If the series ends too soon, we complain.  If the series has some bumps-in-the-road and doesn’t maintain that fever-pitch of excellence that the early books had, we complain.  If the series goes in a different direction than what we want to see, we complain.  If the characters are too good, too super-powered, too pretty, we complain.  If the characters aren’t good enough or super-powered enough or pretty enough, we complain.  If the author doesn’t write the story the way we want her to, we complain.  If the author gives us EXACTLY the story we expected, we STILL complain….

There have been grumblings for a few years about the recent Black Jewels books.  And now here she is, reponding to those grumblings in her own way, and there are still grumblings.  But I really do admire her bravery.  She channelled her inner-Lucivar on this one!  For me as a reader, I’m content with the conclusion to the “old” series, and kind of jazzed and hopeful that she’ll eventually come back to the Realms and give us new stories.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on March 02, 2011, 12:17:25 pm
Damn you are really persuading me to get the HB now :D LOL

I think its hard for authors to end a series especially long running and popular ones. Us readers can be really demanding :P But I can understand why she has done this but its hard because you get emotionally involved but you know what since we agree alot on many things and have the same tastes in books - I think I will agree with you about how this direction.!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on March 02, 2011, 01:04:58 pm
Well, I’m not trying to persuade you, Has, especially given that you haven’t read the book.  If I lived in a country where the HBs and the PBs came out on the same day, I’d have bought the PB.  But I didn’t want to have to wait a year before I read the book, and the Black Jewels books – except for Tangled Web – are very re-readable for me.  So I wanted a copy of my own.

I’d rate the stories B, A, C, and C+/B-.  I LIKED the last story – The High Lord’s Daughter.  I just wanted another hundred pages or so.  If it had been lengthier, I’m sure my rating would have been higher.

I will say that that having now read this newest offering, I’m all fired up to do a complete re-read of the series!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on March 02, 2011, 03:37:38 pm
Actually I would have gotten it in HB if I didn't read the spoilers/review from DA - but I may get it now but not sure but I do plan to read it and I will have an open mind. Although I am glad I was prewarned about certain events.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ppbwashu on March 03, 2011, 10:08:41 am
I liked it!  No spoilers, but I thought all the stories had some good elements.  I admire AB's commitment to telling the stories HER way, and will reread the anthology again.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Vic on March 03, 2011, 12:22:45 pm
Nice post Nifty!  I definitely agree on Anne's bravery and her right to tell her own story.  I got the audio because I've got them all on audio and am an abook addict... and I re-listen to the stories a lot.  I rated them similarly with a bit higher rating on Family.  I only listened to about 1/4 of the high lord's daughter when I decided I didn't want to finish it.  But Shades of Honor novella (6 Hours, 51 minutes out of a 16 hour 28 min audio) was worth the purchase for me alone.  LOVED it. 

Audio breakdown:

Winsol Gifts (2 Hours, 48 Minutes)
Shades of Honor (6 Hours, 51 minutes)
Family (2 Hours, 33 Minutes)
The High Lord’s Daughter (4 Hours, 14 Minutes)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on March 03, 2011, 02:11:56 pm
Vic, I agree that Lucivar's story, Shades of Honor, is terrific.  He's my favorite character in the series.  I just adore him.  (And to be honest, his other story - The Prince of Ebon Rih, from the Dreams Made Flesh anthology -- is probably my favorite story in the series.  I love everything about it…particularly when he teases Marian and orders her to grrrr at him.)  Regarding Shades of Honor:  The battle scene was awesome.  Red rain?  I could totally picture that!!  I also liked that scene because it’s the first time I can think of in which we’ve REALLY scene Lucivar in action.  We know he’s a fighter, but usually he’s either one of many who are fighting on the same side, or he’s fighting opposite just one or two men.  To see him take on so many at once…that was a first for the series, I think.  And I loved it because I just couldn’t help but shake my head at the STUPIDITY of the men who went up against him.  Morons.  That’s what they get for underestimating the 2nd most-powerful man in all Realms.  Seriously…idiots.

And if I had to pick my favorite couple in the books, it would probably be Daemon and Lucivar.   :D  They put the bro in bromance.  (Only Anne Bishop would write a scene in which these very masculine, heterosexual males -- and brothers! -- get into the shower together so that one can help the other clean up.  It's both erotic and completely non-sexual.  How does she do that?  I had to laugh when Daemon told Lucivar he’d get his back while Lucivar washed his front.  Ha!  Hubba-hubba.)

But seriously….  I just adore their relationship and what they are and mean to each other.  Other favorite D&L moments:
•   At the Service Fair in book 3, when Lucivar finally finds Daemon and Daemon is so wan and listless -- and then he sees Lucivar’s wedding ring and thinks that Lucivar is married to Jaenelle – and Lucivar is both pissed off at Daemon and relieved and overjoyed to finally have found him;
•   At the end of the 3rd book when Daemon is told that the Dark Court has been broken, that Jaenelle didn’t survive the witch-storm; he’s so devasted.  That scene when he’s in the garden crying, and Lucivar comes to him and holds him and cries with him and comforts him.  (I get teary just thinking about it!);
•   Shalador’s Lady, when Marian has the miscarriage and Lucivar screams out for Daemon, and now it’s Daemon’s turn to comfort Lucivar.

When you think about it, the two bulwarks of Daemon’s life are Lucivar and Surreal.  Lucivar has been there since they were both boys, but Surreal was about 400 or so when Jaenelle first came on the scene, and she and Daemon had known each other – and Daemon had been circling in and out of her life and taking care of her – since she was 12.  Of course I don’t mean to minimize the importance of the other players.  It’s just that I think Lucivar and Surreal – and Tersa to a lesser degree -- are his anchors.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ppbwashu on March 03, 2011, 03:49:06 pm
Nifty, I totally agree with you about Daemon & Lucivar's relationship.  Not so sure I agree with you about Surreal, but would be willing to debate it with you!  Actually, I'd better let you debate it with my sister, who is much better versed in these novels than I am...
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Vic on March 03, 2011, 05:21:35 pm
Nifty - AGREE with everything you said regarding D&L.  Have loved them from the first book when they're at same party (am I remembering that right?)  and Tersa reports the coming of Witch.  Regarding Lucivar fighting, I think the closest we've come is in Tangled Webs when he stood in front of Surreal and Rainier and took on all comers in the spooky house.  But LOVED Shades of Honor.  LOVED to hate Falonar too!  *sigh*  That's what makes me sad about the fanatics (like me) of the series who have sworn off this collection for just 1 of the novellas.  Shades of Honor was worth the price of admission for me!   :D  Oh, and part of my favorite parts in Winsol Gifts was D&L seeing each other at Tersa's while trying to get the gifts she made for them to give away.... and then the High Lord summoning D to Tersa's to have a talk.  LOL  I also agree that L&M's story from Dreams made flesh is one of my favorite comfort listens.  If I can't sleep at night, I'll put it on ipod and fall asleep to it.  I thought that anthology was good but Prince of Ebon Rih again was worth the price of THAT admission! 

I'm very sad to think we'll not be getting to peak thru a new window into this rich and imaginative world of AB's for some time if ever again.  But I'll be able to revisit it as much as I want.   :-LOVE


Too lazy to copy it here so..
My full good reads review for TD:  http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/125010665
review for DMF: http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/121562669

I split my audiobook up so I created playlists for each short story (that's way I was able to get length per novella)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on March 04, 2011, 05:54:18 am
One criticism I keep reading online that I absolutely CANNOT understand is that people feel that the entire series is "tainted" because of “The High Lord’s Daughter.”  I know that I had the opposite reaction than a lot of these people, in that I actually liked the 4th story.  But I don’t understand the idea that one story, coming 10+ years after the first, can ruin the entire series.  I’m re-reading Daughter of the Blood right now and as always, I’m just wowed by the characterization and the worldbuilding.  I feel anticipation for the Saetan and Jaenelle scenes, or Daemon and Jaenelle scenes, and I feel sick loathing every time Dorothea and Hekatah are on stage.  And now Greer just made his appearance.  Hissssss!

I also noticed a couple things I hadn’t noticed before:
•   Titian is Dea al Mon, as we know.  It’s revealed in the story that the normal lifespan for them is 100-200 years.
•   Daemon estimates that Surreal, as half-Hayllian and half-DaM, will live about 2000 years.
•   Surreal was 10 – not 12 – when she met Daemon for the first time, and she says that for the next 300 or so years, he wove in and out of her life, showing up unexpectedly and spending time with her.  Then she made the mistake of making a pass at him and he obliged her in his sadistic way, and then 50 years passed without them seeing one another.  Which takes us up to the time when Jeanelle comes on the scene.  So Surreal is close to 400 years old when she first meets Jaenelle and when she and Daemon reconnect.  (Which means she’s about 500 years old or so by the time of the 4th story of the new book.)
•   Daemon was several hundreds of years old when he made the offering to the Darkness.  There’s a section in which Kartane tells the reader of his and Daemon’s connection:  Daemon was already a young man when they met, but had not yet made the offering, and then Kartane tells us that two hundred years later, Daemon had shown back up, having now made the offering.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Vic on March 04, 2011, 07:55:54 pm
Re-listening to Shades of Honor - SOOOO good!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Triakel on March 10, 2011, 05:15:06 am
LOVE that I get to read your thoughts about my other favourite series  :) Both Twiligh'ts Dawn and River Marked came on a friday 10 of febuary, so you can imagine I didn't even put my nose outside the door that weekend, lol!

I've read you guys talking with interst, but not all 40 pages yet, so I was wondering, has anyone mentioned Orian yet? The little Eyrien Queen who came in with The Snobb (Falonar) and that lot. She's Endar's daughter and I was suprised she's not mentioned in Shades of Honour. Remember how Daemonar reacted to her? And she's probably the only Eyrien Queen in Kahleer right? Still a child of course.

I've also wondered if anyone's heard if Anne Bishop's plans to write a story about Della has been scratched now that we've heard of her from Karla?

Good thread you guys  :D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on March 14, 2011, 10:30:44 am
Everything I've read indicates that she is abandoning this world for now.  She may go back at some point, but it looks like she may do another story from her Sebastian/Belladonna world.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on March 14, 2011, 11:50:45 am
Everything I've read indicates that she is abandoning this world for now.  She may go back at some point, but it looks like she may do another story from her Sebastian/Belladonna world.

The book she is working on now is the 3rd in the Ephemera (Sebastian/Belladonna) world. It's Lee's story.  Due in March 2012.

She has said that for now, yes, she's not writing Black Jewels books.  But I don't get the feeling that she's completely DONE.  Just...done for now. 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on March 14, 2011, 01:39:03 pm
I read the first two stories and then caught wind (accidentally on a review) of what happens in the last story. And then I read the first few pages of the 3rd story. And now I can't make myself read either one. I just don't want to read those events. Maybe I'll change my mind later, maybe not.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on July 14, 2011, 12:25:35 pm
Anne has posted the cover for the 3rd Ephemera book!

http://www.annebishop.com/b.bridge.dreams.html#copy
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on July 14, 2011, 01:50:03 pm
I finally Twilights Dawn, and I enjoyed all the stories, even the last one.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on July 14, 2011, 02:29:36 pm
I enjoyed the ones I have read, havent read the last one yet though :)

Curious about the next Ephemera book now. That is a lovely cover.

Oh, and I really like the Australian covers for Sebastian and Belladonna.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on July 16, 2011, 04:32:06 am
I'm really curious about her next series of books.  She's will have werewolves in them.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on July 16, 2011, 04:44:10 am
Interesting, where did you find this out? *curious*
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on July 16, 2011, 10:00:51 am
Ohhh Werewolves *perks up* :D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on July 16, 2011, 11:03:52 am
Very interesting. Where'd you hear this? Link please?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on July 16, 2011, 11:56:45 am
From her FB page:
Anne Bishop
News from Anne: "Over the next couple of years, I will be working on two novels set in the Courtyards. New world, new characters. Urban dark fantasy with a bit of a twist. And the wolves in that world do howl."
June 18 at 5:17pm · Unlike ·

http://www.facebook.com/DarkRealms

I guess it doesn't specify "werewolves."  She does say they will be urban fantasy, and she mentions wolves.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on July 16, 2011, 02:08:23 pm
Anne Sowards tweeted this to me - not much info but a timeframe :D

Quote
@has_bookpushers I do. ;) No title or anything yet; she's in process of writing. Will most likely be published Q1 2013.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on July 16, 2011, 08:30:21 pm
Ah. Yes, I'm looking forward to that.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on July 19, 2011, 09:39:39 am
Sorry!  I guess I put together wolves with urban fantasy and came up with werewolves.  Still.........it might happen.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on July 19, 2011, 12:59:12 pm
Completely plausible way of thinking. Will be interesting to see what it is. :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: wiccanmoonchild on July 20, 2011, 10:15:35 am

Anne Bishop is one of my two favorite authors (can you guess who the other is  :D)

I LOVE her and can't wait for Bridge of Dreams and the new ones - I am just way too excited  bOuNcY  bOuNcY

WMC
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on July 21, 2011, 07:59:46 am
I agree!!  Although I have to admit I'm more interested in the next 2 books than Bridge of Dreams.  Never really got the world, but did enjoy the characters.  And the Black Jewels stories are still my favorite!!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: pjschnyder on November 14, 2011, 07:09:00 am
The Black Jewels stories have been some of my favorites for a long, long time.

Gotta say though, with the last anthology - I was crying through the entire last story.

It'll be interesting to make a return to some of her other worlds.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on November 15, 2011, 12:35:25 pm
Neat! I didn't realize she had another book coming out in Ephemera. I'll put it on my wishlist.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on November 15, 2011, 01:12:26 pm
Can't wait! She's also working on a new series which will feature werewolves in 2013 - def looking forward to that!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on November 15, 2011, 01:15:13 pm
Ooh! Exciting!
The black Jewels are my favourite of her books so far, but Ephemera is a close second. Werewolves sounds interesting though.
*starts looking desperately for her patience*
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: pjschnyder on November 16, 2011, 11:44:54 am
didn't know about the new series featuring werewolves. OMG. I can't wait to find out more...
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: wiccanmoonchild on December 29, 2011, 12:41:07 pm
The Black Jewels stories have been some of my favorites for a long, long time.

Gotta say though, with the last anthology - I was crying through the entire last story.

It'll be interesting to make a return to some of her other worlds.

Crying ... oh, my - I was sobbing!!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: wiccanmoonchild on December 29, 2011, 12:42:58 pm
Ooh! Exciting!
The black Jewels are my favourite of her books so far, but Ephemera is a close second. Werewolves sounds interesting though.
*starts looking desperately for her patience*

.. I lost mine many years, ago - If you find yours will you please ask if it's seen mine  :D .... 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: pjschnyder on December 31, 2011, 12:14:04 am
LOL...patience is not one of my virtues. ;)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on March 10, 2012, 08:01:43 am
So I got the new book and immediately read Fair Game instead.  Has anyone read Bridge of Dreams yet?  I haven't had a chance.  I'm curious about the reviews.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ppbwashu on March 12, 2012, 02:32:46 pm
Not yet. Our local bookstore only ordered one copy, which sold within an hour of going on the shelf.  Idjits. >:(
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on March 12, 2012, 03:17:59 pm
Only one copy?! :o idjits is the word!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ppbwashu on March 12, 2012, 03:29:12 pm
They should have our (reserved) copy tomorrow.  9)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on March 12, 2012, 04:36:56 pm
But the waiting, the waiting is hard LOL
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ppbwashu on March 14, 2012, 06:58:52 am
I still have to wait for my sister to finish reading it.  She'll probably finish today. :P
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on March 14, 2012, 08:54:51 am
I've hesitated buying it - I'm waiting for someone to share first :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on March 15, 2012, 08:01:27 am
I read her latest "The Voice" and it reminded me that Anne Bishop's books can be..........creepy?  Probably not the right word, but she can come up with some interesting stories and viewpoints.

As yet, I've only finished the first chapter and not sure that I'll get through the entire book.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ppbwashu on March 15, 2012, 11:48:31 am
My sister said she started it, and it didn't immediately grab her, then offered to let me read it first.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on March 15, 2012, 12:46:03 pm
The Voice is the e-special from Penguin?

She can write very dark worlds yes.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on March 15, 2012, 02:02:50 pm
I read a few reviews of The Voice and people said they were crying halfway through. Sounded very sad and dark.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on May 27, 2012, 07:38:02 pm
Sad, creepy and scary.  Had a good ending, tho.

Has anyone heard anything regarding her next series?  I understand it will have werewolves in it.  I'll be very interested to see what she does with her world.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ppbwashu on June 02, 2012, 09:43:13 am
Hmm, I'll have to look for The Voice.  I loved Bridge of Dreams.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on June 04, 2012, 10:39:58 am
The Vaginal Fantasy Group on Goodreads (http://www.goodreads.com/group/show/62938-vaginal-fantasy-hang) is discussing Daughter of the Blood this month (June, 2012). VF is a group headed by Felicia Day that focuses on female-lead speculative fiction. And their online discussion videocast is hilarious.
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Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on August 16, 2012, 05:35:26 am
So Anne's newest book will be out next March and is titled "Written in Red, A Novel of the Others".  Sounds interesting.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on August 17, 2012, 03:02:28 pm
So Anne's newest book will be out next March and is titled "Written in Red, A Novel of the Others".  Sounds interesting.

Looking forward to it!

(Also happy to read posts from her on FB indicating that she hopes to return to the Black Jewels world one day.)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on August 17, 2012, 07:54:23 pm
Really?  I would love to see more written in that world.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on August 18, 2012, 06:06:20 pm
Really?  I would love to see more written in that world.

She said in multiple places -- in responses to posts left by others -- that she hopes to revisit the Blood again, when they give her more stories to tell.  For now, she's focused on her new series, but I take it as a positive sign that she hasn't written the Blood off.

I happened to have LIKED Twilight's Dawn -- the last book in the series; a collection of short stories that culminated with the big game-changer, "The High Lord's Daughter" -- and think it set things up nicely for Blood stories that feature SOME of the same characters but enough new characters that it would not be a complete re-tread.  I love the original trilogy, and I agree that the later books didn't have the same punch as those first three books.  How could they, given the villainy of D&H and Witch's complete resolution to that conflict?  But I still enjoyed the later books -- especially the Cassidy duology.  Love those two books!  (I liked the ordinariness of them.  There's no significant conflict, no truly villainous bad guy, but I liked the characters and seeing them go about the business of rebuilding a day-to-day life for themselves.)

However.... Now she has the opportunity to leap forward hundreds of years.  Time enough for evil to take root again in the Realms?  I wouldn't want to lose Daemon and Lucivar as main characters, but I think it's unlikely that we would.  Or at least, unlikely that we'd lose DAEMON again.  Not now that he's the High Lord of Hell.  I've no doubt that he'll winding up doing just what his father did and becoming a Guardian, if that's what it takes to ensure that Hell retains a keeper.  Or maybe Bishop could go BACK in time...to a point in Realm history that predates even Daemon?  I dunno.  Whatever she does, if she writes another BJ book, I'll buy it on Day One.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on August 19, 2012, 08:40:37 am
Day One?  I'll pre-order the darn thing!!!

I also liked Twilight's Dawn.  I really liked Luciver's story the most of them all.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on December 11, 2012, 06:30:30 am
Excerpt from Written in Red is up http://www.annebishop.com/b.written.red.exc.html
Looks very promising!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on December 11, 2012, 10:45:59 pm
That does look really good. Thanks for the link varg.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on March 08, 2013, 04:27:15 pm
I sat down and didn't get up until I finished the new book.  As usual, Bishop's books are fascinating (in a weird way) and thoroughly enjoyable.

I got the feeling that this is not a stand alone.  Anyone hear if there will be another book in this world?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on March 09, 2013, 04:48:57 am
I have assumed based on the subtitle: "a novel of the others" that this was the start of a series. Can't remember if I have heard anything more concerete anywhere.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on March 09, 2013, 11:03:12 am
Is the hardback of Written in red huge? I definitely want to get it but I cant get in ebook format because its not available :( And I am not keen on huge books in hardback - not comfy to read.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on March 09, 2013, 11:09:11 am
I don't know what you would consider huge Has, it is the same size as other US hardbacks I have. It is 400+pages but it is not heavy paper, I was actually a bit surprised because it was lighter than it looks LOL and it isn't very much thicker than the hardback of Bone Crossed if memory serves. I am still in the hotel and I don't have Bone Crossed here for comparison.


Not available in ebook? It is available for me in the Kindle store, but then I am in Norway and get to shop at Amazon.com. Geo restrictions again?  :(
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on March 10, 2013, 02:11:03 am
Nope not for this book :( - Her other books are available and I don't see a sign of another publisher picking it up but maybe they will. But I suspect so :(
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on March 10, 2013, 04:37:36 am
Oh. It is a very enjoyable read.  That means an ebook will be a distant thing?


And yes, mtomni is right fascinating in a weird way, like she usually is. She somehow can write violence in this unsentimental matter of fact way that somehow adds to the shock value of it.

Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on March 10, 2013, 05:10:28 am
I have no idea although I do know some Penguin releases are delayed in the UK especially for Berkely books. But this is ACE so I am not sure.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Patti L. on March 10, 2013, 09:25:47 am
Ace & Berkley are associated.  I'm pretty sure I've got a few that say "ACE/Berkley" on the spines.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on March 10, 2013, 09:30:18 am
Is it Ace though? Cause on the book it says RoC, which is also Penguin so who knows. These jumbo publishers with all the different imprints can be deceiving when you try to keep track of what is what.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on March 10, 2013, 09:44:12 am
I really enjoyed Written in Red.  It read quickly for me, and I stayed up until 2:00 a.m. or so to finish.  I would have liked more detail in some areas:  more detail about Meg's past and Simon's characterization, more tidbits about the mystery of Tess and Meg's controller.  But clearly the story is not over, so that will come. 

I was thankful the book was substantial.

The worldbuilding was my favorite element -- enjoyed the elementals a lot!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on March 10, 2013, 09:45:45 am
I agree Nifty. I am not quite finished yet, but the world building is very good.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ppbwashu on March 11, 2013, 01:46:19 pm
I really enjoyed Written in Red.  It read quickly for me, and I stayed up until 2:00 a.m. or so to finish.  I would have liked more detail in some areas:  more detail about Meg's past and Simon's characterization, more tidbits about the mystery of Tess and Meg's controller.  But clearly the story is not over, so that will come. 

I was thankful the book was substantial.

The worldbuilding was my favorite element -- enjoyed the elementals a lot!
My sister was complaining that she's having a hard time getting into this one, but she said the same thing about the third book in the Ephemera series, and I liked that one just fine!  I'm not in a huge hurry, though, 'cause I've got a ton of music to learn for a harp festival the first weekend in April.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on March 11, 2013, 01:53:51 pm
:)

Also if you don't read it right away you won't have a whole year to wait for the next one. 9)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ppbwashu on March 11, 2013, 01:59:55 pm
 :P Good point, Varg!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on March 11, 2013, 02:06:52 pm
O)

And it is a good thing to have ahead of you.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on March 24, 2013, 09:34:25 pm
I *adored* this book! I couldn't put it down! Like Nifty (we've already talked about it on FB!) I loved the world-building. Her "others" consist of more than just werewolves and vampires (although they're prominent) and they are not people with fur/feathers/fangs. They are truly different and do not understand human conventions or considerations. Bishop has a great eye for detail in making this a fully dimensional world. The first chapter starts off a little confusing because she drops you into the story without a lot of background. But that's one of the things that's so cool - you learn gradually what's going on, just like the characters do. I didn't notice any "stock" characters, either. It was a wonderful read and I"m SO glad there will be more!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on March 25, 2013, 01:31:01 am
I second this emphaticly! :D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on March 25, 2013, 04:07:40 pm
Me three!!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: charmed on March 25, 2013, 04:15:11 pm
It's on my wishlist. :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ppbwashu on March 26, 2013, 11:54:52 am
I LOVED Written in Red.  Even though the characters were nothing like the Black Jewels novels, I felt much the same way while reading this book.  The characters have lots of texture and complexity, as does the world they move through.  Kudos to Ms. Bishop!!!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on March 26, 2013, 05:12:57 pm
I really enjoyed this book, too.  Wish we didn't have to wait a whole year for the next one. :-(

The standout feature of this book for me was the worldbuilding.  Bishop has taken the familiar setting of modern-day time and place and provided a twist.  I think this is why the series reads as more "fantasy" than "urban." The continent of Thasia is inhabited by humans and Others.  But unlike with most urban fantasy or paranormal series, in this series, the Others are the dominant species.  Known as terra indigene, the Others are shapeshifters (wolf, bear, crow, hawk, coyote, etc.), vampires, Elementals (Winter, Spring, Summer, Fall, Earth, Air, Wind, Fire, etc.), and assorted unnamed predatory others.  They don’t like humans, don’t trust humans, and mostly view humans as a nuisance, occasionally clever or useful, and, often, “special meat.”  There is disdain and prejudice on both sides.

This is not a paranormal romance, although there are subtle threads of romance woven into the story.  (I think they will be developed in future books.  For instance, there's a scene in which Simon tenderly kisses Meg on her forehead while she sleeps after she has been injured and acknowledges to himself that he likes the way she tastes; and another scene in which he comes home to find her sleeping curled around his also-sleeping nephew, and he shifts to wolf form and nestles up against her back. So there's definitely attraction and interest and affection there, and it's growing.  But in this book, it's all very subtle.  The romantic element is far more pronounced in the Black Jewels books.)  But it's also not exactly like your typical urban fantasy.  Maybe it's because there seems to be more of an emphasis on the fantasy than the urban?  Also, the Others are not "werewolves" (or other were-creatures).  It's more like they are creatures who have a natural animal shape and yet they wear a human shape for convenience when it suits them.  I guess with most urban fantasies, I think of the supernatural shifters as humans who shift to animal.  That doesn't really seem to fit with this book.

I don't think this series is as dark as the Black Jewels series.  Dorothea and Hekatah will forever rank as the most evil villains I've ever read.  They make my skin crawl with their malevolence.  I didn't detect that same degree of malevolence in this book.  Which is not a criticism or a complaint - just an observation as a big fan of the BJ series and now a fan of this new series.

Elements I would have liked to have seen developed:  a bit more about Tess’s background, without actually revealing the mystery of what she is…although I hope that will come in future books.  Also, I’d like to see more detail about HOW Meg escaped, and more details about her life in the compound with the other blood prophets.  Not that I want to know all the gory details.  I’m asked to believe that Meg has had a horrific, stunted, utterly controlled life for her first 24 years, and I’m willing to believe it.  But at the same time, we don’t have a great many details that show us what that life was like.  While I don’t want to be a voyeur into the miseries of her life – that seems sadistic somehow – I thought it was an area lacking in her characterization.  Although again, those details may come in future books.

Likewise, I would have liked to have known more about Simon’s life and character.  We know some bare facts:  he’s a dominant Wolf and the leader of the Courtyard (although perhaps not necessarily THE dominant terra indigene in residence; I get the feeling that the Elementals are more dominant, and certainly more powerful, although far less equipped to deal with the mundane or the humans in their world); we know his father (Elliot) is alive, his sister is dead these past two years, and he has a young nephew, Sam (whose age is not given, I don’t believe…I pictured him at about 6 or 7). Simon comes across as grudgingly tolerant of humans…but with a very short fuse.  But what are his motivations?  Why is he willing to lead the Courtyard and take on the hassles that clearly try his patience more often than not?  What’s his ultimate goal?

The next book is called a Murder of Crows, which is foreboding due to some revelations in this one. 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on March 29, 2013, 07:10:11 am
I thought Simon's motivations came from the reading he received many years ago from another blood prophet?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on March 29, 2013, 02:34:19 pm
For letting Meg stay perhaps, but when she is there his motivations regarding her gets more complicated.
But, we never really learn what his motivation is for opening up the courtyard to humans as much as they do. In other courtyards it seems the only contact with the humans is through the liaison.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on March 31, 2013, 12:59:49 pm
Yes to everything above! The genre definitely read more fantasy than urban fantasy. It wasn't just the regular world slightly changed with supernaturals dropped in - it was so much more than that. I would've like to have seen more about Meg's pre-escape world, maybe even a hint of the Controller. Like you said, Nifty, that part of Meg's life was certainly creepy, but we only heard about things secondhand. I imagine it would be even creepier with more direct contact or communication. You know, though, I think for me at least, the Controller could be more evil than Heketah and Dorothea. He has the potential, at least.

I'd also like to know more about the relationships between the dominant wolves. There seem to be several whose dominance is limited to specific locations, contexts, or duties. That's very interesting.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ArtAngel on April 12, 2013, 06:19:02 pm
Maybe I need to pick this one up  :) I hadn't decided yet but I like your comments on it.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on April 13, 2013, 05:59:40 am
I would recommend that you do :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on April 13, 2013, 11:25:21 am
I'm doing a re-read of the book and it's just as good the second time around. I'm thinking that it takes place near the Great Lakes, given the description of the book and the weather.

And I just caught that Elliot is Samuel's father? He said "sire" and I'm used to that being the one that changes the person into a werewolf, but these "Others" are born. I didn't catch a "father/son" dynamic, though. Maybe it's different with the Others.

I was also thinking that the book has a little "Little Red Riding Hood" vibe to it. Can't understand why I didn't see that before. Tess buys her a red jacket and she has dyed red hair.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on April 14, 2013, 05:54:19 am
Cerulean I don't think Elliot is Samuels father. I distinctly remember reading that
Sam's mother was Simon's sister, which would make Elliot Sam's grand father. The no father/son dynamic between Simon and Elliot is perhaps due to the fact that Simon is more dominant?







Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on April 14, 2013, 03:24:46 pm
Cerulean I don't think Elliot is Samuels father. I distinctly remember reading that
Sam's mother was Simon's sister, which would make Elliot Sam's grand father. The no father/son dynamic between Simon and Elliot is perhaps due to the fact that Simon is more dominant?

I got the names wrong! I meant Simon is Elliot's son, not Sam. I'm getting my series crossed :) And you're right Varg, that is the reason. There's a moment when they square off - probably over Sam's "safety harness" and Elliot bares his throat to Simon, who thinks to himself that no one is above him in the pack.

Okay, here's another goodie I think I found in my re-read. Jean is the other blood prophet (please don't make me spell out the CS version!) who apparently was out in the world before being captured (?) by the Controller. I'd thought earlier, "Wouldn't it be cool if Meg and company were able to free all of the other blood prophets?" and then ran across this quote, a remembrance of something Jean said to Meg, "The Walking Names made sure I can't run, but I'll be free someday. I saw that, too." Then later on at the end, Simon thinks this, "That Controller was still looking for her, and now the terra indigene were looking for him. The governor hadn't known much, but he'd told the Elementals who came visiting his house in Hubbney everything he knew about Meg's enemy. Sooner or later, the Others would find the man, and a human piece of Thaisia would be reclaimed by the wild country." Plus, there's the fact that this new madness-inducing drug, 'gone over wolf' is made at least partially from the blood of prophets makes me pretty sure we'll see more of this and that freeing the other girls is something that may happen.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on April 15, 2013, 05:55:26 am
Yes! that has been my thought too, I think the Others will have to engage somehow in regards to the CS because of the drug. It would be very interesting if the others decided to take "custody" of all the blood prophets.  8)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on April 20, 2013, 02:17:19 pm
Yes! that has been my thought too, I think the Others will have to engage somehow in regards to the CS because of the drug. It would be very interesting if the others decided to take "custody" of all the blood prophets.  8)

We're on the same wavelength, Varg, b/c that's just what I was thinking, too! As "not prey", blood prophets could be placed very well with the Others
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on April 21, 2013, 09:24:26 am
Yes, allthough the confusion of that would perhaps be an issue at least to start. LOL
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on April 21, 2013, 03:37:40 pm
I was intrigued by a part in the book in which Meg wonders if she has brothers or sisters. I think she says that there are no male blood prophets, at least not in the place where she was kept, and "lately she'd begun to wonder what happened to the male children who were born to the girls who were bred." So I wonder if the next book will tell us more about that.

I definitely want to know more about the origins of the blood prophets -- and more about Tess!  What IS she?  How does she know what she knows, when none of the Others know anything about blood prophets? And when Meg calls Tess to come and hear her vision, Tess wondered:  "Why call me?  Do the prophets have any idea what I am?  Did you call me out of knowledge or ignorance?"  Tess asks her why she didn't call Simon, and Meg says she thought it would be too dangerous with a predator in the room.  I wondered if there was some kind of historical connection between blood prophets and whatever Tess is. After the cut was made, Tess was VERY careful to clean up all the blood and keep it away from the others, as if she knew what the blood could do.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ArtAngel on April 21, 2013, 08:38:29 pm
I figured that Tess is a gorgon. I've been planning on looking at gorgon myths for links to Cassandra .
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on April 22, 2013, 07:15:57 am
Hmm, interesting ArtAngel, that fits some of what she is. But not all at least not to my mind with our knowledge so far.

As for Tess knowing what the blood does, it is not entirely clear that she does, but it seems likely considering all her precautions. Another thing regarding that, she did not seem to be affected as much, but I am not sure if I remember correctly, perhaps she was just good at not actually gettin in contact with it when she cleaned and disposed of it.

And yes, it would be very interesting to know what happens to the male children of blood prophets.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on April 23, 2013, 12:34:53 pm
I was intrigued by a part in the book in which Meg wonders if she has brothers or sisters. I think she says that there are no male blood prophets, at least not in the place where she was kept, and "lately she'd begun to wonder what happened to the male children who were born to the girls who were bred." So I wonder if the next book will tell us more about that.

I definitely want to know more about the origins of the blood prophets -- and more about Tess!  What IS she?  How does she know what she knows, when none of the Others know anything about blood prophets? And when Meg calls Tess to come and hear her vision, Tess wondered:  "Why call me?  Do the prophets have any idea what I am?  Did you call me out of knowledge or ignorance?"  Tess asks her why she didn't call Simon, and Meg says she thought it would be too dangerous with a predator in the room.  I wondered if there was some kind of historical connection between blood prophets and whatever Tess is. After the cut was made, Tess was VERY careful to clean up all the blood and keep it away from the others, as if she knew what the blood could do.

Yes, I caught both those, too. Especially Tess's internal reaction to Meg's asking her to watch her elicit a prophecy. They said there's not a translation for what she is in modern languages, so I figured we'd see a new species rather than one we already know about, like a Gorgon. But maybe it would be. Here's a link to gorgons on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgon)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on April 23, 2013, 05:57:47 pm
Still related to Anne Bishop, but not to Written in Red....  I am reading The Pillars of the World, the first book in the Tir Alainn series.  I haven't read these before.  I am HATING Adolfo.  Reading his scenes almost makes me physically sick.

Now...can you imagine that apocalypse of evil that would ensue if Adolfo and Dorothea & Hekatah got together?!?!  Not even Jaenelle could slay that demon.  (But I wouldn't mind putting Tess in a room with Adolfo.  Hmmm.....)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on April 24, 2013, 05:55:31 am
I am so with you Nifty. I remember having to take pauses reading that, Adolfo is painful to read.

Hmm, I am not sure they would manage to point their evil in the same direction, probably they would be trying to "righteously" kill eachother.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on April 24, 2013, 02:25:04 pm
I haven't read that series in awhile. I remember not caring for it to much.  I can't even remember who Adolfo is. Maybe I blocked it? :-whistle
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on April 24, 2013, 04:01:35 pm
I'm enjoying it.  I do enjoy Bishop's writing and characters.  I hate that we have wait a year for the next dose! 

Adolpho is the Master Inquisitor, Amy.  He's got some magic blood in him himself.  His mother was a witch, his father part-fae.  Something like that.  He roams from hamlet to hamlet, stirring up the village folk against the neighborhood witches.  He's sadistic and a misogynist.  I guess I have reacted so strongly to him because his methods are familiar, and even though this is a fantasy novel, I KNOW that there are men still like this all over the world.  Women should be beaten, suppressed, taught (and kept in) their lowly place.  Their only purpose is to work for the man's benefit, to be the receptacle for his lusts, and to bear his children...IF she's worthy enough.  Despicable.

It would be such an unholy alliance if he were to get together with D&K.  He would despise them for their power and gender, but he would ally with them as long as it served his purpose:  the destruction of other powerful women.  He'd be particularly influential amongst the landen, creating a front to the war that wasn't there in the original Black Jewels series.  And all the while he'd be plotting their destruction.  Jaenelle would infuriate him, but I think Surreal is the one who would really drive him INSANE.  (And don't you know she would make it her life's work to annihilate him!)  And he spouts so much about the Evil One, imagine what he'd think to be confronted with the Eyrians and their membranous bat-wings!

Anyway...fun to imagine.

Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on May 01, 2013, 05:45:34 pm
I'm enjoying it.  I do enjoy Bishop's writing and characters.  I hate that we have wait a year for the next dose! 

Adolpho is the Master Inquisitor, Amy.  He's got some magic blood in him himself.  His mother was a witch, his father part-fae.  Something like that.  He roams from hamlet to hamlet, stirring up the village folk against the neighborhood witches.  He's sadistic and a misogynist.  I guess I have reacted so strongly to him because his methods are familiar, and even though this is a fantasy novel, I KNOW that there are men still like this all over the world.  Women should be beaten, suppressed, taught (and kept in) their lowly place.  Their only purpose is to work for the man's benefit, to be the receptacle for his lusts, and to bear his children...IF she's worthy enough.  Despicable.

It would be such an unholy alliance if he were to get together with D&K.  He would despise them for their power and gender, but he would ally with them as long as it served his purpose:  the destruction of other powerful women.  He'd be particularly influential amongst the landen, creating a front to the war that wasn't there in the original Black Jewels series.  And all the while he'd be plotting their destruction.  Jaenelle would infuriate him, but I think Surreal is the one who would really drive him INSANE.  (And don't you know she would make it her life's work to annihilate him!)  And he spouts so much about the Evil One, imagine what he'd think to be confronted with the Eyrians and their membranous bat-wings!

Anyway...fun to imagine.

Ah, that's ringing a bell! I think I felt similarly - about it being a little too close to some current attitudes. Maybe that's why I really couldn't get into it. I remember feeling really icky about that character. And you have it *spot on* about D&H. And Surreal :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on June 20, 2013, 12:08:09 pm
The cover for Murder of Crows:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1017056_535853436462478_2103708833_n.jpg)
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Post by: Nifty on June 20, 2013, 05:31:26 pm
Gorgeous!!
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Post by: mtomni on June 21, 2013, 02:50:58 pm
I wonder if Meg will try to get The Others to help get her friend Jess (?) away from the walking named.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ArtAngel on June 24, 2013, 01:16:56 am
Can't wait!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on June 24, 2013, 02:31:09 am
It is only 9 months now..... :P
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: charmed on June 24, 2013, 04:01:14 pm
it's a book baby!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on June 25, 2013, 06:25:28 am
*nods* that it is.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on June 25, 2013, 11:20:15 am
Reading it yet again and wondering if the Controller will have access to the photos of the Courtyard that Asia took and had the "special messenger" develop. It's possible that he sent them off to the Controller prior to the devastation. And I remember thinking "Oh, I should mention this idea here" last night as I was re-reading, but now I can't remember what that was. Darn.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on June 25, 2013, 06:51:23 pm
I'm sure he does now that you mention it. Since the Controller is so greedy to get his hands on knowlege I can't see how he wouldn't make sure his people share any info they gather.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on August 18, 2013, 11:34:30 am
So I was re-reading Written in Red - yes, again, and ran across this bit (Simon is speaking to the Business cmte about the Jerzy incident):

"He sighed. "One thing ties each of these attacks to us: some Crows were killed near each of the villages a day or two before the attack took place. I'll talk to Jenni Crowgard. If Crows begin to die without reason, we need to take that as a warning that the sickness has reached Lakeside."

The next book is titled, "A Murder of Crows." Coincidence? I think not.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on August 18, 2013, 11:46:49 am
I think you are right Cerulean. I have thought about that too.
And I believe I read a blurb for "A Murder of Crows" recently where there is a mention of dead crows in the beginning of the plot.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on August 18, 2013, 01:41:05 pm
This caused me to run over to the website to see if the back blurb was up. It was... I'm really looking forward to this.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ppbwashu on August 19, 2013, 08:35:58 am
 bOuNcY :-LOVE bOuNcY
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on August 20, 2013, 08:55:47 am
I think you are right Cerulean. I have thought about that too.
And I believe I read a blurb for "A Murder of Crows" recently where there is a mention of dead crows in the beginning of the plot.

Cool! I hadn't realized the synopsis was up, yet!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on August 20, 2013, 07:31:15 pm
The book is available for pre-order at Amazon.  I, of course, pre-ordered immediately. 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on September 04, 2013, 01:20:06 pm
So random though, are their ethnicities in this book other than European? I ask because it's been established that some of the humans came from what we would call Europe. But were their other populations on other continents? Or were there just Others?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on September 04, 2013, 01:34:14 pm
Hmm, I don't know actually. I don't remember it being mentioned specifically except to talk about the Others in Africa calling humans hairless monkeys so I suppose there very well might be.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: kimiwaju on September 19, 2013, 02:26:34 am
Hi I am new but I read the whole discusion and wanted to add some thought. About her friend ( whose name I forgot) who said that they made sure she couldn't run but would be free again. I understoud it that way that she would be free at last when she dies....anyone feels that thought or is it just me? Or do you all really think that the others will save her? I just can't picture Mrs. bishop writing something that nice, you know what I mean...her character always suffer...

just thinking...JU
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on September 19, 2013, 02:35:47 am
I am with you there kimiwaju (and welcome byt the way :D ) that was my first thought as well.
However, now that the Master or owner of all those Cassandra Sangues has put himself in the sights of the Others with his drug based on the blood of the seers I think it is a tiny bit more likely that she can get rescued before death, not necessarily in a rescue operation but perhaps as a side effect of them reclaiming his lands.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: kimiwaju on September 19, 2013, 02:39:05 am
Thanks Varg..I see where you are going...but for me it sounded as if she had seen it in a vision..maybe even on perpose made my her owner, so that she would suffer from knowing what was to come...and so far a future seen in a vision could not be change or am I missing there something?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on September 19, 2013, 03:12:03 am
Hmm. You are right, but still we only know she said she knew she too would be free, wether or not she meant in death is not said so it is open to interpretation.  Also, even if the visions cannot be changed they are still quite fluid and sometimes symbol heavy and give small snapshots in time so I would think that they are open to interpretation. If all she knew was that she would be free, perhaps she did not see if she would be dead or alive for it.


Come to think of it, Meg sort of changed what happened with the poisoned sugar with her vision so it seems that the visions can help you change what happens and work as a warning.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: kimiwaju on September 19, 2013, 08:25:54 am
Well, varg i thought about the same vision and as the poison was forbitten because it was so dangerous, i thought her vision was more of what it did before and who put it there, but i'll have to re-read it
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on November 24, 2013, 09:14:35 pm
An except for Murder of Crows is up.  :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on November 25, 2013, 07:43:26 am
Thanks Zee!
*runs off to read*

- - -


I am now officially impatient 9)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on November 25, 2013, 07:49:11 pm
It's it just? :-LOVE
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on November 26, 2013, 06:49:52 am
Yes. :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on November 26, 2013, 03:07:25 pm
 :-LOVE :-LOVE :-LOVE :-LOVE
http://www.annebishop.com/b.murder.crows.exc.html
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: White roses on November 27, 2013, 11:03:35 pm
 :)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on November 30, 2013, 04:22:05 pm
She had me at "bedmate."  :-)  Soooo looking forward to the next book!!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on November 30, 2013, 04:23:09 pm
:D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on January 08, 2014, 04:23:14 pm
Less than 8 weeks!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on January 08, 2014, 04:34:28 pm
I am rereading this book right now because I want to read Murder of Crows LOL
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ppbwashu on January 09, 2014, 08:34:59 am
Now THAT is a good idea!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on January 09, 2014, 04:32:19 pm
I am rereading this book right now because I want to read Murder of Crows LOL

I have re-read Written in Red so many times, I honestly could not even tell you.  And since I ALSO own it in audio format, I've LISTENED to it multiple times as well.  And I've read the sample chapter on her website probably 10 times, too.  Plus I haunt her two Facebook pages.  Heck, I even tried to rejoin the LKH message board -- where Anne Bishop USED to post in her own forum there -- in case she had good, interesting things to say.  (I wasn't able to join, though.  Not sure why.)

I am DEFINITELY ready for Murder of Crows!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on January 09, 2014, 08:35:52 pm
Me too!  And I too have read Written in Red many, many times.  I do love her writing.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ppbwashu on January 14, 2014, 10:52:30 am
We had company for dinner on Friday, including the Briggs and their assistant Ann.  Miss Smartypants Ann proceeded to rub my nose in the fact that Patty got an ARC for Murder of Crows, and she got to read it.  I really need to buy her a Barney stuffy in revenge. >D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Patti L. on January 14, 2014, 11:18:04 am
One with a soundtrack, I hope.  So you can squeeze its tummy and it starts singing the annoying song?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on January 14, 2014, 12:50:19 pm
oooh!  So envious of Patty right now!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ppbwashu on January 15, 2014, 12:59:43 pm
Patty at least had the good grace not to gloat like Ann!  And yes, Patti, the Barney stuffy definitely needs a soundtrack!  >D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on January 18, 2014, 08:38:43 pm
So, did Patty make any comments on the book?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on January 31, 2014, 09:16:50 am
Murder of Crows is coming out the day before I have to leave for a conference. It's not fair  >:( Ah, but at least I'll have it on my Kindle to read on the flight back from Nashville. Then Nifty and I can get together and ooh and ahh over it.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on January 31, 2014, 09:43:19 am
:) some good then.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Nifty on February 16, 2014, 10:56:53 am
Charmed got a copy early from the publisher.  Not an ARC, but a regular book.  I've already harassed her for tidbits  via Facebook chat.  15.5 days!  Cannot get here soon enough!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on February 16, 2014, 11:04:01 am
Hear hear!

I have ended up rereading Black Jewels stuff for this part of the wait. 9)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on March 04, 2014, 09:19:42 pm
Picked it up at B&N today. It was enjoyable. I was a bit sad to see less Sam, but that's the way it goes.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on March 05, 2014, 07:18:12 am
:) I enjoyed it a lot.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: ArtAngel on March 05, 2014, 07:09:18 pm
Last night I worked a night shift and was spacing out staring a stapler. It had the numbers 767 stamped on them, my brain somehow added cs767, then I realised it was 3am March 5 and that I had no reason to be bored anymore!  LOL  I thoroughly enjoyed the rest of that boring shift reading Murder of Crows. Another awesome story!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on March 05, 2014, 07:16:03 pm
 LOL Funny how that works.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Patti L. on March 05, 2014, 10:32:46 pm
Who dat?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on March 06, 2014, 07:52:49 am
LOL Good one!

I don't know if you have read any of the books yet Patti. cs and a numbe is the designation for some of the blood profets. It makes more sense if you've read it.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on March 18, 2014, 09:44:14 am
Written in Red is my favorite comfort read. Murder of Crows takes it and makes it more plot and action driven. I still loved it and am on my second read now.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on March 18, 2014, 01:50:33 pm
:)
I liked it a lot. Of course it also made me want more!
I am curious about wether or not lieutenant Montgomery will get Lizzie to Lakeside and away from the dangerous ideologic situation in Toland.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on March 18, 2014, 10:30:00 pm
I want to reread it, but I lent it to a friend and haven't gotten it back yet. :-'
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on March 19, 2014, 09:43:35 am
oh noes :(
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Vic on March 20, 2014, 08:18:02 pm
I've really enjoyed Murder of Crows.  In fact, I'm currently on re-listen # (have no freaking clue as I have listened so many times now).  Night Broken was the only new book since MoC that I could really get into.  I'm really looking forward to book 3 (Vision in Silver is the title I think) of this series.  I hope that this is planned to be more than a trilogy but it seems like the story arc is set up to concluded in this last book. 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on April 26, 2014, 12:05:04 am
Title of the next book has been announced.

Vision in Silver (March 2015)

All I can think of is a mirror for the meaning.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: White roses on April 26, 2014, 01:03:23 am
March 2015  :o
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on April 26, 2014, 02:08:44 pm
A year between books isn't /that/ bad. At least we know the waiting will end.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on April 28, 2014, 09:02:45 am
*nods* although knowing the title increases impatience somehow.  9)



It seems we can look forward to book four and five! :D


http://maassagency.com/deal-anne-bishop/
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on April 29, 2014, 09:35:44 pm
Sounds like it might be dealing with different characters, though this far ahead, who knows?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on July 09, 2014, 12:10:35 pm
An update from FB:
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/-YzYnqkqWV0k/U72hg7Pm_-I/AAAAAAAABkg/ssRO7ICVjdA/FireShot%252520Screen%252520Capture%252520%252523064%252520-%252520%252527%25257BWhat%252527s%252520the%252520Writer%252520doing_%25257D%252520%25257BShe%252527s%252520thinking_%25257D%252520%25257BIs___%252520-%252520Anne%252520Bishop%252527s%252520Courtyard%252527%252520-%252520www_facebook_com_AnneBishopsCourtyard_posts_710037732377380_notif_t%25253Dnotify_me.png)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on July 09, 2014, 12:19:13 pm
Yay! Happy dance time.

Also, the cover for Vision in Silver is out, as is the description.
http://www.annebishop.com/b.vision.silver.html
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on December 09, 2014, 01:52:14 pm
Exert is out!
http://annebishop.com/b.vision.silver.exc.html (http://annebishop.com/b.vision.silver.exc.html)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Patti L. on December 10, 2014, 12:18:54 am
Exert is out!
http://annebishop.com/b.vision.silver.exc.html (http://annebishop.com/b.vision.silver.exc.html)

"Exert"?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on December 10, 2014, 03:40:56 pm
Excerpt.  LOL
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Patti L. on December 11, 2014, 12:02:27 am
  ^-^  Thought so.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on December 12, 2014, 04:20:12 pm
:D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on December 16, 2014, 10:34:18 am
Excellent news!  bOuNcY bOuNcY
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Rob on February 06, 2015, 03:49:44 pm
...erg...pulled an all-nighter to read my first Bishop novel - Written in Red...I'm apparently too old to do all-nighter without suffering the consequences...I just couldn't put the book down...

I'm afraid to get and start the next...
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on February 06, 2015, 03:51:53 pm
Just start A Murder of Crows earlier in the day.  LOL
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Rob on February 06, 2015, 03:59:58 pm
...It is notably shorter, even though it is more expensive.... :-\
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on February 06, 2015, 04:13:13 pm
It should be out in paperback soon.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on February 07, 2015, 03:02:27 am
And of course the third one arrives on the third of March. 9)
Perhaps it can be had from the library?

So glad you enjoyed it! She is a fantastic writer IMO.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on February 10, 2015, 08:53:55 pm
Does anyone know if this series is a trilogy?  Or is it actually a series?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on February 10, 2015, 10:50:00 pm
As of May last, she had contracts for two more books: that is book 4 and 5 so it seems to be a series not a trilogy.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on February 11, 2015, 08:01:07 am
Cool!  And Thanks!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Patti L. on February 13, 2015, 01:04:44 pm
http://woobox.com/ubiagx  You might win THREE COPIES so you can share it with friends.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on April 23, 2015, 03:46:09 pm
Marked in Flesh is coming out March 2016.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on August 06, 2015, 03:56:56 pm
Marked in Flesh cover and excerpt (http://www.usatoday.com/story/happyeverafter/2015/08/05/marked-in-flesh-cover-reveal-excerpt-anne-bishop/31172859/)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on September 14, 2015, 12:42:04 pm
I. Want. A. Time. Machine!
So glad I have preordered alreadyl. 9)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Pee Wee on September 14, 2015, 11:38:56 pm
Hop on it with you  :D
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: White roses on September 15, 2015, 12:49:24 am
Awesome snippet. 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: pondhawk on September 15, 2015, 07:59:10 am
I am looking forward to that book.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on December 08, 2015, 08:54:43 am
Excerpt for Marked in Flesh is up on the webpage:
http://www.annebishop.com/b.marked.flesh.exc.html
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on December 08, 2015, 04:40:27 pm
At this point, I'm practically drooling for this book.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Patti L. on December 08, 2015, 09:48:52 pm
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marked-in-Flesh-ARC-signed-by-Anne-Bishop-with-bookmark-/172017370563?hash=item280d08c5c3:g:LzwAAOSwbdpWX1sU

 Anne Sowards ‏@AnneSowards 11 hours ago
Anne Bishop fans! Want to read MARKED IN FLESH early AND support charity? @Worldbuilders_  is auctioning an ARC
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Varg on December 09, 2015, 06:14:58 am
People really want it :D it is currently at $280. Which is a bit steep for me even if I do have a big WANT and it is a very good cause.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Cerulean on March 04, 2016, 01:22:28 pm
The closer the drop date is, the more I want it! There are 4 1/2 days and the anticipation is driving me crazy!  bOuNcY
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Patti L. on March 04, 2016, 01:34:28 pm
The closer the drop date is, the more I want it! There are 4 1/2 days and the anticipation is driving me crazy!  bOuNcY

Have you arranged for a ride home yet?  It's a long walk.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on March 04, 2016, 03:48:33 pm
 LOL
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on March 17, 2016, 07:26:01 pm
So, I've read Marked in Flesh and I'm curious.  Is this the last in the serious?  Are more coming?  I hope so.  It's such a good series.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on March 17, 2016, 07:26:54 pm
Anne Bishop said on facebook, that she had already turned in the next book, though no title had been picked.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: pondhawk on March 18, 2016, 07:10:07 am
Good to know! This one could have served as the end of the series if necessary, but I will definitely look forward to more.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on March 18, 2016, 04:28:12 pm
I think there needs to be at least one dealing with the aftermath of this book. I'm very pleased that it wasn't the last.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: mtomni on March 19, 2016, 07:28:04 pm
Thank you for letting me know.  I really do like this series and I can't wait for the next one.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: lostbird on March 21, 2016, 03:40:41 pm
This seems to be the most vibrant forum out there to discuss Anne Bishop's work. She doesn't have the kind of fb page that Patty does (or does she? anyone here know???).


I was just introduced to her Others series by a friend in February, had read all 3 within 2 weeks, and got Marked in Flesh on the 8th along with Patty's Fire Touched. I'm blown away by Anne's world-building, and I'm in love with this story. Can't wait for the 5th book.







Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Patti L. on March 21, 2016, 08:07:13 pm
I was introduced to the Others at last year's signing, and have devoured most of the Black Jewels books, and everything up to this in this series, so far.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on March 21, 2016, 08:53:44 pm
She does have a facebook page, where the Wolves comment as often as she does.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: lostbird on March 22, 2016, 04:48:28 am
I am so spoiled by Patty's forums and fb pages because her fans are so vocal and willing to share what they think. It feels like the best kind of book club. I'm looking for that kind of thing for Anne Bishop. Unfortunately, her fb fans don't seem to engage in book discussion. I contacted her and she pointed me to her Yahoo forum, but the same thing there: crickets.


The Others series definitely deserves to be discussed in depth. Was hoping someone here knew something about where the Bishop fans congregate for discussion, but other than here, it looks like they just don't. Which is sad, for me.



Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: katy on March 22, 2016, 05:21:09 am
Well, we'll chat with you here, lostbird -- we're good at that!  :P
I have definitely enjoyed the Others series, and while I read some of her other work a few years back, I think the Others is a much stronger series.  I like the worldbuilding (though I must admit, I sometimes get irritated with the almost-but-not-quite-the-same names for things), and I especially appreciate the fact that none of the races represented are uniformly the good guys or the bad guys.

I've read the books in this series as they came out, but have just started listening to the audiobook versions from the beginning.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on March 22, 2016, 05:52:36 pm
I would be happy to chat as well. I myself love the fact that the Others are definitely people, but just as definitely not human.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: pondhawk on March 22, 2016, 06:48:39 pm
I really like this series. Friends who have read more of her work than I have told me it is their favorite of her series. It is so sweet-natured compared to a lot of UF - not that it's not suspenseful, but I think Meg's innocence, and the bemusement of the Others in observing her, colors the way we see the whole world to some extent.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on March 22, 2016, 06:51:00 pm
It is certainly less dark than The Black Jewels series, which is what introduced me to her.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Patti L. on March 22, 2016, 07:23:24 pm
It has the potential to go very dark.

I do find the motivation of her villains to be rather flat.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on March 22, 2016, 07:31:39 pm
I felt that way about the Black Jewels, not so much about the Others.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Patti L. on March 22, 2016, 07:51:39 pm
The "Humans First" folk, and - as an example the spy who wanted the job Meg got - other individuals seem to have "I want it, so I should have it" as their motivation.   And none of them see anyone else as real and having equal wants/needs/right to have what they do, that which the villains want.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on March 22, 2016, 08:12:11 pm
The also want the social acceptance/prestige of being part of the HFL group.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: pondhawk on March 24, 2016, 05:31:16 am
All of that can be observed IRL by reading the newspaper currently, so it's looking like pretty realistic motivations to me.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Patti L. on March 24, 2016, 05:57:14 am
It's the ONLY motivation, though.  There's never anyone who desperately wants to heal someone, or who is obsessed with fixing an injustice, or who started with some small error/sin and got blackmailed into increasingly bad things, then got messed up with drugs, or is doing bad things in the pursuit of knowledge in the face of poverty, and there's never anyone who was just a little wild/thoughtless, and later realizes it and tries to straighten up and fly right.
Or if there are any of the latter, they die too early to be more than spear carriers.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: lostbird on March 24, 2016, 06:18:48 am
I'm wondering if the HFL movement and its sheepish human followers are beside the point, however. I mean, the real meat in Anne's series is more and more about the how change affects nature as well as society. Namid is a world where all creatures spring from her, the top of the food chain is wholly in tune with her, but the bottom (humans) are running amok because they're don't feel the connection and are not really being kept in check by the predators who watch them. Why? Because humans are clever and make interesting things that "seduce" the Others into allowing humans to make more and more of these things. And like most of these series we all read, humans reproduce like rabbits--they're growing out of their space and encroaching on the wild places. So the theme seems to be about balance. The HFL feels like a plot device to get the conversation to where it really needs to be: how do we (the Others, Namid) bring the humans into balance with everything else?


Of course, you'd have to be blind to miss the parallels to the virulent anti-POC rhetoric of the day and how much the ignorance of the Namid humans echoes the ignorance of real humans. I'm thinking that has to be deliberate on Anne's part.


But I think the real story here is a commentary on preserving our environment, acceptance of "the Other" among us, and cooperation that leads to positive evolution.


lb
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Patti L. on March 24, 2016, 11:55:14 am
Good analysis of the ... theme or purpose, I guess, behind the series, but cardboard villains are still one trick ponies that annoy me.

There are some humans, the Cassandras, and their root stock, the intuitives, who kind of 'get' the balance issue, but unless there's some way to make quite a lot/certain powerful of humans understand what kind of trap they're running into, it turns into a replay of the Black Jewels.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: katy on March 24, 2016, 12:05:08 pm
This is totally beside the point, but your use of the word "meat" in the first sentence of that really made me laugh -- made me think of the way the Others refer to humans as "clever meat"  or if it's at the butcher shop, "special meat" LOL

I agree that so far the villains we've seen have not had a lot of depth.  In the case of Asia Crane (the spy from book 1), I think that's because that's who the character was -- shallow and stupid, not so much a villain because she was evil, but because she was weak and willing to be manipulated, thinking that it would get her what she wanted (fame! fortune! her very own TV show!).  With most of the other villains, we don't really get to know them well enough to know what makes them tick.  Nicholas Scratch -- the HFL leader -- seems to be a lot like many cult leaders or politicians.  He has some hidden agenda but wants to achieve his real goals behind the scenes while gaining power and money by manipulating people, playing on the fears of the masses.  He gets off on pulling people's strings, getting them to do what he wants them to, and deceiving them into thinking it's their own idea or in their own interest.  But so many of the "villains" in the story then, are just followers, being led into doing evil by believing when they're told it's good.  And there are broad swaths of grey area -- the Others are portrayed in a way that is very sympathetic, but are they good?  Not uniformly.  And, they are motivated by their own good and the good of their people, just like the humans.

One thing I think is really interesting in the worldbuilding is the very uneven level of technology.  Much of the time, this reads like urban fantasy -- everybody wears clothes we would see as normal in the current day, they have cars and TV and computers and so forth.  Yet some key technologies are missing or not yet quite developed.  Planes are a new, strange, invention only used for dropping bombs.  Long distance transportation is by train or boat.  Medicine seems to be in a somewhat primitive state, though it's hard to be sure about that, since we don't have a lot of evidence about human medicine. Thinking about the history of how technologies have developed, this seems pretty unbelievable, but if we just accept that somehow this is how it is, the implications for how groups in different areas interact and how news travels, etc. are interesting.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Patti L. on March 24, 2016, 12:08:32 pm
The only glimpses we see of villains and their thoughts are Asia (thank you for pulling up her name) level. "ME, MINE" even if they're at a higher level of villainy - consider the dude who used to run Meg's "sanctuary".
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: lostbird on March 24, 2016, 12:48:07 pm
One thing I think is really interesting in the worldbuilding is the very uneven level of technology.  Much of the time, this reads like urban fantasy -- everybody wears clothes we would see as normal in the current day, they have cars and TV and computers and so forth.  Yet some key technologies are missing or not yet quite developed.  Planes are a new, strange, invention only used for dropping bombs.  Long distance transportation is by train or boat.  Medicine seems to be in a somewhat primitive state, though it's hard to be sure about that, since we don't have a lot of evidence about human medicine. Thinking about the history of how technologies have developed, this seems pretty unbelievable, but if we just accept that somehow this is how it is, the implications for how groups in different areas interact and how news travels, etc. are interesting.


I guess I don't see this series as urban fantasy, even though it has some resemblance. It feels more like what Philip Pullman did with the His Dark Materials series, more high-concept fantasy with urban-like touches.


I think the lack of a certain amount of believable technological development makes sense if you consider how the Others control the resources of Namid. I was just rereading Murder of Crows on my morning commute and came across a conversation where one of the Others (Simon, I think) was explaining what their control looks like. The gist was something like (1) humans create something; (2) the Others become aware of it and think its interesting/useful/entertaining/swell (take your pick) and decide they want it, too, so; (3) the Others release just enough resources to allow more of this interesting thing to be made and shared with more humans as well as the Others. To me, this implies that they are always considering need/want vs. balance (literally and environmentally). I could imagine someone approaching the others to say, "hey, look at this new thing we've designed ... we call it an airplane. Don't you want one?" If I was Simon, I might say something like, "why do I need to fly? If I need to get a message out fast, there are Crows." "But you can get from Thaisia to Brittania faster," the human counters. "Why would I want to go to Brittania? Thaisia is my home. And if I want to go to Brittania, there are boats." Etc.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: lostbird on March 24, 2016, 01:10:19 pm
The only glimpses we see of villains and their thoughts are Asia (thank you for pulling up her name) level. "ME, MINE" even if they're at a higher level of villainy - consider the dude who used to run Meg's "sanctuary".


Yep, this is definitely a weak spot. We never find out the Controller's motivation (besides money, which is boring) and we only learn as he's juiced and about to die that he wants a place at the HFL table. Doesn't feel honest, though. The cardboard villain is really obvious with Nicholas Scratch. I didn't find his death satisfying at all. I thought, all this build-up and he's easily neutralized by the Sanguinati? Come. On.


But this just gives more strength to my assertion that this series is not really about the bad humans vs. the good humans.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: katy on March 24, 2016, 01:41:31 pm
Yes, Scratch's death was odd... if it was that easy to kill him, why did they wait so long?  OK, they don't want to set him up as a martyr, so having it happen when he's alone on the deck of a boat makes some sense -- nobody really knows what happened to him, maybe he just fell overboard, etc.  But there must have been opportunities like that much sooner.

I'm wondering how many layers of more powerful beings there are in this world.  The shapechanging Others and the Sanguinati are more powerful than humans (though it appears that the power differential here isn't as large as it may have looked at first). But then there are what appear to be "local elementals" like the girls at the lake with their horses, etc.  They usually seem to act in defense of the Others, and against the humans if they act at all, but the shapechangers and Sanguinati are also afraid of them.  And now it looks like there is yet another, more powerful layer of elementals, such as the ocean goddess we met in this book, and a group of ... somethings... who are even more powerful but only come out to destroy towns that have wronged the Others, etc.

I also wonder about the risks that are alluded to in "being too human." Simon frets about this, but it makes me wonder just what has become of past individuals who have gone this route.  Could they have interbred with humans to create the Cassandra Sangue and the intuitives?  Or are these something else entirely?  Is Meg really human, or has she just been led to believe that she is human?  And I think this is one of the central themes of the series -- what does it mean to be human? 
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: pondhawk on March 25, 2016, 06:41:01 am

"Yes, Scratch's death was odd... if it was that easy to kill him, why did they wait so long?  OK, they don't want to set him up as a martyr, so having it happen when he's alone on the deck of a boat makes some sense -- nobody really knows what happened to him, maybe he just fell overboard, etc.  But there must have been opportunities like that much sooner."

Two things here. One, his name, has struck me from the start, because "Old Nick" and "Old Scratch" have both been used historically as names for the Devil. So, that always made me roll my eyes a little, because, really? But recall also that Scratch has been corresponding with his father (or so I assume, since Scratch addressed him as "Pater") which means that even if Scratch was easily killed, the father is still unaccounted for.

Edited because I'm still getting the hang of Quoting.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: lostbird on March 25, 2016, 08:09:11 am
Two things here. One, his name, has struck me from the start, because "Old Nick" and "Old Scratch" have both been used historically as names for the Devil. So, that always made me roll my eyes a little, because, really? But recall also that Scratch has been corresponding with his father (or so I assume, since Scratch addressed him as "Pater") which means that even if Scratch was easily killed, the father is still unaccounted for.

Edited because I'm still getting the hang of Quoting.


Oh, yeah, totally forgot about "Pater." Maybe the HFL isn't done after all.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Patti L. on March 25, 2016, 11:44:54 am
Is Marxism dead?  Then HFL could still be with us, it'll just fracture, like communism in China.
(was just re-reading "Liars and Tyrants and People Who Turn Blue", where that's a plot-point.)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Patti L. on October 19, 2016, 07:06:55 am
http://happyeverafter.usatoday.com/2016/10/18/anne-bishop-new-the-others-story-2018/
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: pondhawk on October 20, 2016, 07:29:53 am
Ok, I'm ready to read it.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on December 14, 2016, 03:48:07 pm
Sample chapter, a bit longer than the previous snippet.
http://www.annebishop.com/b.etched.bone.exc.html (http://www.annebishop.com/b.etched.bone.exc.html)
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Patti L. on September 02, 2017, 12:16:20 pm
From her Facebook public page:




Anne Bishop

Yesterday at 7:01am ·
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The ebook edition of STRANDED, which includes my novella "A Strand in the Web," is on sale for $1.99 from September 1 - 15. I'm told it's available on all platforms.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: pondhawk on September 03, 2017, 07:35:50 am
Thanks!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Patti L. on December 13, 2017, 05:17:45 pm
http://www.annebishop.com/b.lake.silence.exc.html  sneak peek.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on December 13, 2017, 05:23:15 pm
Thank you for the heads up!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Janilee on December 13, 2017, 10:36:31 pm
 LOL Don't ask leading questions.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: pondhawk on December 14, 2017, 07:47:13 am
 bOuNcY  bOuNcY  bOuNcY
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Patti L. on March 06, 2018, 12:05:45 pm
Quoting tweets from Anne Sowards' feed of last night's signing and Q&A at Seattle's University Book Store.

Q: when does LAKE SILENCE take place?
AB: about a year after ETCHED IN BONE. Meg and Simon are not in the book but they’re mentioned.

Q: Anne, how did they get Tersa to renounce Saetan’s paternity claim on Daemon?
AB: they betrayed her.

Q: Anne, are you going to write any more in the Black Jewels?
AB: Lucivar and Daemon and I are negotiating, and I have part of a story, and whether it becomes more...so the answer is maybe.

Q: Anne, is there a chance we could get an illustrated “the pups” kids’ book? Or wolf team stories for us? The questioner added, that would be bent!
AB: no one has ever asked that question before! I don’t know.

Q: are we going to see more of Tess?
AB: not for a while, because we’ve moved away from Lakeside. But in the next book, WILD COUNTRY, we get to meet the harvester Scythe, who wants to run the saloon in Bennett.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Patti L. on March 06, 2018, 12:47:07 pm
http://thebookpushers.com/2018/03/06/review-lake-silence-the-others-6-by-anne-bishop/
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Has on March 06, 2018, 06:50:20 pm
Facebook has the live Q&A on Patty's official page at the signing. Ann is going to do the other dates so hopefully expect another one tonight!
I can't post the link because its bugging out on me.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on March 06, 2018, 08:43:56 pm
Most of the way through Lake of Silence. I might be missing Meg and Simon, but I really love a number of the new characters. Including the border collie who loves ducklings.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Patti L. on March 06, 2018, 10:05:26 pm
And prunes.  Has he met The Vigorous Appendage yet?
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: pondhawk on March 07, 2018, 07:00:51 am
I have the book but am reading Burn Bright first.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on March 07, 2018, 03:00:35 pm
Yes.  LOL Definitely the main reason I love this dog.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: pondhawk on March 08, 2018, 08:03:49 am
Just started this one, and I am very happy.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on March 08, 2018, 06:46:55 pm
According to a fan on the facebook page:
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So, the next book about Bennett is called Wild Country!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: pondhawk on March 09, 2018, 07:16:52 am
I just finished Lake Silence, and I am not recalling a Bennett. I feel very silly.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Patti L. on March 09, 2018, 09:43:35 am
Bennett is a town a few hours by train from Lakeside.  Montgomery's sister may have gone there. His brother sneered at it as too small for his needs.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on March 09, 2018, 08:27:49 pm
If I remember correctly, it was the one we saw where the wolves all died.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: pondhawk on March 10, 2018, 06:00:05 pm
Well, I don't mind seeing it again in happier times.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on March 10, 2018, 08:58:54 pm
Honestly, before the title was announced, I thought this last book would take place there. So, I'm pleases the next one will. If it wasn't just someone starting a rumor.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Patti L. on May 14, 2018, 07:32:08 pm
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nanoknitter/sets/72157666288828637
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on May 14, 2018, 08:08:44 pm
SPIDER! -hides-
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on December 14, 2018, 03:40:24 pm
http://www.annebishop.com/b.wild.country.exc.html?fbclid=IwAR1iEMopWj0h_KeNGgEiLOF3LOVXJfCtnrDy2B0PaCUNIw_be0JQ2l1QtsE (http://www.annebishop.com/b.wild.country.exc.html?fbclid=IwAR1iEMopWj0h_KeNGgEiLOF3LOVXJfCtnrDy2B0PaCUNIw_be0JQ2l1QtsE)

Sample chapter is up.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: pondhawk on December 15, 2018, 07:59:33 am
Woohoo! Can't wait!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Janilee on December 15, 2018, 08:56:29 am
I have another want.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: pondhawk on December 15, 2018, 08:57:36 am
There are three chapters up, actually.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on December 15, 2018, 11:08:01 am
In my defense, I posted before I actually read it.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: pondhawk on December 15, 2018, 04:48:55 pm
No worries! It was an unexpected bonus.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Patti L. on August 10, 2019, 04:06:03 pm
There's a new "Black Jewels" novel coming out!  Daemon & Surreal in trouble! Jillian trying out marriage! Lucivar trying to sort things out!
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Patti L. on January 09, 2020, 06:47:22 am
@AnneSowards

Get ready for the release of THE QUEEN'S BARGAIN, the new book in Anne Bishop's dark and sensual world of the Black Jewels! Enter to win the trilogy plus the new book! (US only, sorry)
https://sweeps.penguinrandomhouse.com/enter/black-jewels-giveaway
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on January 09, 2020, 07:05:07 pm
Thanks for the heads up. I'm not so sure about reading the new book, but winning it would give me reason to.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: pondhawk on January 10, 2020, 06:19:53 am
I read an anthology story set in that universe, and it was good. I didn't get far into the first book before I decided to stick with the Others series. Pain has always been too real to me to be a fantasy.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: Zealith on January 10, 2020, 06:01:26 pm
Yeah, that one opening scene is definitely a good warning for anyone who doesn't want that in their fiction.
Title: Re: Anne Bishop
Post by: pondhawk on January 11, 2020, 06:27:39 am
 LOL Yep. Did it for me.