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Title: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Kyria on February 08, 2010, 09:46:10 pm
As per the discussion in chat last night, I'm working on making some game pieces to make an actual Steal the Dragon game. 
So I thought I'd post a couple of pieces I worked up today, in modeling clay...
The picture does not flatter the dragon, but that piece will have to undergo some changes anyway, I'm not really pleased with it.  I wanted to get some opinions on pose, though.  A sleeping dragon would have less potential to have pieces break off, a standing dragon is more reminiscent of the King in chess, and we have this or one of a few other semi-coiled positions also. 
I DO really like the toadstool mushroom.  It's maybe a little small, but I like it and I think it being a little small is OK if it is a "pawn" piece.  What do you think? (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2618/4342220641_3f40df9d7f.jpg) (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4062/4342960002_6eee549793.jpg) (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2763/4342959238_b24a7236e4.jpg) (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4008/4342960728_7744882c56.jpg)
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Patti L. on February 08, 2010, 09:50:38 pm
Those are charming!  I think if the dragon had its wings folded, sitting up and paying attention, but in a "cat" sit rather than with front claws up, it would be reasonably sturdy. 
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Zealith on February 08, 2010, 09:53:46 pm
I agree, very cute! And wings folded will definately help keep them from breaking off.
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Patti L. on February 08, 2010, 09:57:38 pm
If you could do a sort of 'wings draped like a regal cloak' thing, that would help make it more simple, I think.  Cover the lower claws some.
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Mike Briggs on February 08, 2010, 11:18:46 pm
How awesome!

I asked Patty if she still had the rules she kind of sketched out for the game, but she laughed and said, "Not a chance.  That was how many moves ago?".   Patty tends to just scribble some random notes while writing a book -- they only have to last until the book is finished, and they only need to make sense to her.   Usually, when the book is finished, the notes just kind of disappear.  :(

She says she envisioned it as a cross between chess and poker . . . and the rules were pretty roughly sketched out even back when.
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Elle on February 08, 2010, 11:23:28 pm
Kyria, look at you! How absolutely adorable.

(http://members.shaw.ca/jheller/hurog/grouphug.gif)

The toadstool is perfect. For me the dragon looks a bit lizard-y with the rounded stomach and the tail seems a bit big. I do like the pose though and the wings. Maybe if it had more of a wedge shaped head with a bit of ridges working down from the head to the tip of the tail? This is a bit of a small picture but I like the head of the dragon:

(http://www.loreneandrews.com/glry_sculpting/fullsize/R363_fs.jpg)

Chess and poker. Heh.

Here's what I've found in the book about the game. It looks like there's two of each game piece except for the dragon.

Quote
Steal the Dragon

The object of the game is to steal the other person's dragon. When stealing "Theft" and opponent acknowlegdes "Thief".

Develop strategies, and the importance of stealth and deceit.

Game pieces | Black and White (Dark and Light)

Mushroom
Frog
Rat
Sparrow
Owl
Fox
Stag
Wolf
Dragon


Poisoned frog with other mushroom
Owl to eat the mushroom that killed the frog
Killed the fox with the remaining mushroom

Take advantage of inattention and move extra spaces, a practice that was legal only if your opponent didn't notice what you'd done.
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Kyria on February 09, 2010, 03:31:25 pm
Thanks for the feedback.  Yes, I had basically the same issues with the dragon as Elle: the head is not the right shape, the tail is thick, the neck is too long and the head too big.  I am pleased with the left wing, but it's really too delicate for a gamepiece. 
I knew this one would be really rough, though, because my sculpting tools are still at home (I have a new apartment) so I was using a pocketknife, a fork, and a chopstick.  Each of which have their uses... they just aren't ideal for the types of detail I want on a dragon. 
There's really only one tool I regularly use for this type of thing, but my local hobby lobby only sells it in a big set of tools, and I can't justify buying it knowing that I have them all already. 
I finished a morel-style mushroom today, I'll try to get photos up later tonight!
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Patti L. on February 09, 2010, 03:38:10 pm
Check flea markets or thrift shops for some alternatives.  Some of the dental tools are awesome for clay work.
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Kyria on February 09, 2010, 06:12:31 pm
Thanks for the tip.  I'm also thinking if I go to WalMart tomorrow I can pick up some cheap tweezers and dismantle them into something similar to the tool I need. 
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Kyria on February 09, 2010, 09:00:32 pm
Alrighty.  So, today I have to offer:
1 morel-type mushroom (morels vs. toadstools, anyone?)
1 great-horned owl... I'm thinking I'll try a barn owl too, as barns are my very favorite owl ever. 
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4062/4344748699_2cbac5175b.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2683/4345490406_83b3e13c81.jpg)
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Elle on February 09, 2010, 09:03:23 pm
I love the little toadstool. :D

Kyria, you are rocking my world. Seriously these are so much fun. You're doing a great job with them and your post upthread made me laugh:

"a pocketknife, a fork, and a chopstick" ...walked into a bar  LOL
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Patti L. on February 09, 2010, 09:05:01 pm
Amazing, especially so fast.
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Zealith on February 09, 2010, 09:41:44 pm
I love the feathers on the owl!
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Kyria on February 09, 2010, 10:08:07 pm
Thanks.  Normally I work even smaller and I use a round toothpick and a flat toothpick.  It's kind of nice to work big enough to be able to get some sort of detail going.   bOuNcY
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Kyria on February 11, 2010, 08:40:46 pm
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2687/4349915581_68b717b018.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2755/4350661504_4f6b9745ee.jpg)

New piece: a barn owl.  He's a little bit smaller than the great horned; but then, barn owls are built lightly compared to GHOs.  Even as is, he's a little heavy for a barn owl. 
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Zealith on February 11, 2010, 09:08:13 pm
Wow! I like barn owls too... and you did a great job with that one too.
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Carradee on February 13, 2010, 12:59:17 pm
*whistles*  Wow.

Looking at the game pieces and the few tidbits we have of how it's played, I wonder if there's also a bit of "Rock, Paper, Scissors" involved in the game play—like the mushroom can poison certain pieces but not others?
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Kyria on February 17, 2010, 06:45:22 pm
Well, I'll let the rest of you debate rules. 
I've got one more piece to share - I've got a challenge going, to knit a pair of socks by the end of the Olympics (and after I got one mostly finished I ran out of yarn and couldn't find another ball of it, so I had to start over) so I haven't been working so much on gamepieces. 
I had someone suggest using silicon to make a mold.  It makes a very flexible, durable mold, but needs some work to get a mold that doesn't have a lot of bubbles in it.  I'm not a fan of working with latex (it makes me break out) which seems to be the normal choice for a flexible mold. 
Anyway here's the rat.  I might re-do its head an ears, they seem a little small, but I'm going to let it percolate for a bit while I finish these socks. 
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4013/4366957308_1d09662b01.jpg)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4071/4366957074_dae130586b.jpg)
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Zealith on February 17, 2010, 06:49:15 pm
Still really cute. You're very talented.
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Carradee on February 18, 2010, 05:49:30 am
Pretty!  *grins*
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Kyria on April 24, 2010, 09:17:46 pm
Thanks.

Wow, I had free time today.  It's been a while.  Here's a sparrow!  Hopefully I'll have time for a cat tomorrow. 
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4033/4549573001_d3a5cb242e.jpg)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4013/4549572641_dfa1fc118e.jpg)
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Zealith on April 24, 2010, 09:23:16 pm
Still cute. :-LOVE
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: ArtAngel on April 24, 2010, 10:28:46 pm
Wow! I'm not sure how I missed this thread but those are amzing Kyria! Thank you so much for sharing!
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: mikaela_l on April 30, 2010, 12:51:32 am
Ooh. The figures are lovely Kyria
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Shipa on May 01, 2010, 12:33:51 pm
Wow! These are really fantastic Kyria! Thanks for sharing the pictures.
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: lovingcrew on May 01, 2010, 05:00:52 pm
Wow, your pieces are simply amazing!  And I know how hard it can be to make small things out of clay.  I tried.  I failed. lol  If only Patty remembered the rules!  The game sounded so intriguing in the book.  In fact, I spent a while imagining what rules might go with the game.  I kind of envisioned a chess-checkers cross with miscellaneous cool moves to go with it.  Like if your pieces were arranged in a certain pattern, you could "trap" your opponent's piece and ransom it for another.

I'm getting a little long-winded here, so I'll wrap it up by saying again: awesome job!  I can envision these in the world of Sianam quite easily.   :D
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Kyria on May 01, 2010, 08:56:18 pm
lovingcrew - the theory here is that some intrepid soul could possibly come up with rules.  Maybe not quite the same as Patty's originals, unfortunately, but enough that it could be played.  I'm not much good at making up rules to games, so I leave that to others; but I do like making small things. In fact, these gamepieces are on the large size for what I have done in recent years. Next Christmas when I get it out, maybe I'll post my favorite specialty nativity set: "Cowboys and Indians," where the people are about 1/2" tall... or maybe I'll do a set of Mercyverse figurines that size for fun. 

Hmmm... note to self, dig out polymer clay for Mercyverse figurines. 

NONONONONO! Must finish current projects first.  (I'm making a broken star quilt for my best friend's wedding gift, and this game set, and THEN I can start something new)

I finished the cat today, and then looking back at my notes... I could have sworn cat was on the list, but it's not.  Crap.  I'll morph it into a wolf or a fox for tomorrow. 
I still have a Dragon, Stag, Frog, Wolf, Fox, Snake, and Bird to make.  Anybody got a suggestion on the type of bird?  Are we thinking something carnivorous?  something exotic? I'm an ornithologist, if given free reign I'll probably start doing birds and not stop until there are more birds than anything else...
Maybe I'll leave the bird for last. 
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: lovingcrew on May 02, 2010, 07:39:12 am
Kyria: An orthanologist, that explains why your birds are so anatomically correct!  I was marvelling over how you capture the different stances of the GHO and the barn owl (incidentally, barn owls are my favorite, too!) and how correct they are for each one.  Most people don't notice something that detailed.  (I've been a casual bird nut since I was a kid, so I don't have any official expertise but just hours of looking at awesome pictures and vids.)   :-LOVE

I cannot believe how small your other creations are.  I tried making polymer clay figures, as I mentioned, and the only thing I created successfully was quite large in comparison.  I would definitely be interested in seeing those microscopic sculptures when you're done with the Sianam ones, lol.

For the other bird, what about something that has symbolic significance in the world of fantasy?  A phoenix might be a little hard to create, since I envision a plumed tail, but maybe someone has an idea to build off of that one  :D
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Elle on May 02, 2010, 07:49:54 am
I'm not seeing snake or bird on the list. You have sparrow and owl which are the only two birds there. So you're good.

Mushroom
Frog
Snake
Rat
Sparrow
Owl
Fox
Stag
Wolf
Dragon
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Kyria on May 02, 2010, 10:16:40 am
This is the list that I got, I believe from chat, was:

Dragon, Rat, Sparrow, Stag, Frog, Owl, Wolf, Fox, Snake, Bird, and many mushrooms

But I guess I'll have to re-read the book and check into it myself.  I was feeling ambitious last night (ambitious as in, I couldn't get to sleep so instead I was crafting) so I made a snake and most of a frog.  I'll post both of them with the caveat that the snake may or may not be a final gamepiece. 

Thanks, lovingcrew.  I spent last fall working as an intern with birds of prey, which was an amazing experience.  and, I've said it before and I'll say it again... I could fly barn owls every day and never get over the awe I feel watching one fly.  GHOs have a more subtle beauty in many ways: their breast feathers are the colors of milk chocolate, dark chocolate, caramel, and snow, all mixed together.  Mmmmmmmmm, tasty (but please, don't try to bite the owl, or you may lose an eye)
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Kyria on May 03, 2010, 10:01:04 pm
As promised, the frog and the questionable snake. 
I'm still having issues with the molds... this time I had bad silicon and it didn't set up.   >:(. 

Anyways, new critters:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4007/4577594142_d175ff8f8d.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3377/4577596570_6c5e253ef8.jpg)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4070/4576961565_35ba9959e4.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3316/4577595798_7a731359fa_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Patti L. on May 03, 2010, 10:08:43 pm
I like the frog, even if your snake is still having some issues.
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: ArtAngel on May 04, 2010, 05:38:05 pm
I like the frog! It's adorable  :-LOVE

Would if be possible to make the snake lifting it's head? It might be more visible that way.
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Kyria on May 04, 2010, 05:55:44 pm
The problem with making the snake lifting its head is that it's that much easier to break off, unless I make it ridiculously thick.  I have a couple of ideas I can try... my favorite would be to do it as a tree python coiled up this way: http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42166000/jpg/_42166860_baumpython203.jpg .  But there is apparently a question as to whether I even need a snake, so first I'm re-reading to see if there is a snake piece. 

I am quite pleased with the frog.  I've had trouble with frogs in three dimensions before, but this one seems to have worked nicely. 

I think I've found a less expensive source for liquid latex for the molds, so I might try that instead of dealing with the problems of silicone. 

Anyways, I think I'm going to turn the cat into a fox tonight or tomorrow, so another piece soon! 

I am going to have a breakable-object problem with the stag piece.  Antlers are breakable.  Anybody got ideas on how to get around that? 
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Janilee on May 04, 2010, 05:58:36 pm
If the stag is calling with its muzzle in the air, the antlers could be attached to the back.
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Patti L. on May 04, 2010, 05:59:25 pm
The classic is for the muzzle to be up, and the antlers laid against the back of the stag.

Jinx, Janilee!   :D
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Janilee on May 04, 2010, 06:03:41 pm
I can't make Art, but I know it!
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Kyria on May 04, 2010, 06:07:31 pm
Awesome, thanks! (can't believe I didn't think of that one... finals week is killing my brain, and I only have two finals to take!) He might be after the fox.. but only because I'm going to be OCD on the wolf and the dragon.  And if I need another bird. 
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Elle on May 04, 2010, 06:40:20 pm
I think you should double check the book before you work on the snake and do another bird. We may have missed those upthread but the list that I gave you was from the book. I'll have another look as well.
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Kyria on May 04, 2010, 09:44:55 pm
p 139 (the new edition) - "I'm going with you," Tris announced calmly as he moved his snake a space beyond her frog. 
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Elle on May 05, 2010, 05:47:39 am
Ah. Excellent. I'll add it to the list. :) I see that's where it references the bird as well. Do you think she's talking about either her sparrow or owl? That's a lot of pieces on the board right now to add another one in addition to the snake.
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: ArtAngel on May 05, 2010, 12:54:53 pm
I wonder how many pieces there are and if the board is bigger than the typical chess board. It's the rule "cheating is ok, as long as you don't get caught" that makes me wonder. In chess it would be easy to see if someone moved an extra piece but with more characters I can see how that would much more difficult.


That tree python looks like it would be interesting, Kyria. Good luck!
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: CarolKat on May 05, 2010, 03:41:10 pm
Kyria the pieces look wonderful, you are very talented. Good luck with the snake!
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Kyria on May 05, 2010, 08:42:32 pm
And a fox and snake.  The snake is better, I think, though still not my very favorite critter.  I do love the fox, though.  The pictures totally don't do him justice. 

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4068/4582726425_aaa6d77bab.jpg)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4031/4583354464_2586bbc251.jpg)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4007/4582724795_547470f286.jpg)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4071/4583353280_0f772d0332_b.jpg)

And, I found some affordable liquid latex! 
Mold in progress (still has the mushroom model inside):
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4070/4582727225_cf10fd9852.jpg)
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: ArtAngel on May 05, 2010, 08:52:05 pm
I love the fox! He's adorable!

The snake looks much better than the last one. The head almost looks too thick though.

I wish I could actually watch you make them, it would be fascinating!
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Elle on May 05, 2010, 09:22:12 pm
I think the snake looks really good. :) I agree the fox is adorable.
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Piper on May 05, 2010, 09:25:00 pm
I love them all!! Fantastic job Kyria!!
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Janilee on May 06, 2010, 05:51:37 am
The second snake is truly a better conceived piece of art.

The fox is cute.

What will you pour into the latex mold?
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Varg on May 06, 2010, 06:21:03 am
I am impressed! Really good work.
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: jackie on May 06, 2010, 06:50:42 am
The snake is really nice.  But it doesn't have the same round base as most pieces do.  You'll need to do other pieces that are different, or he won't look right with the rest.   Though the mushrooms don't have it, so that should help.  The stag would work well with something other than the round base...

The fox is really cute, but I thought they were longer through the body.  He looks kinda catlike.  Maybe if the tail was bigger...
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Kyria on May 06, 2010, 07:00:43 pm
Yeah, I know I need to get some non-round bases in there, and I will probably do the stag and the dragon that way at least. 

As for the fox's body, yes, he's kinda on the chunky side.  I'm slowly working him down a little slimmer, but if I take off  too much in the wrong place I'll wind up with a hole... and I can't pour a mold with a hole in it, or the result won't come out.  I'll see about adding a bit to the tail, too. 

I've got two molds finished up, so sometime before too long I can go get stuff to make the molds out of.  Probably plaster of Paris. 
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Janilee on May 06, 2010, 07:12:27 pm
I assumed a fox kit, so the rolley-polley look worked for me.
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Patti L. on May 06, 2010, 07:18:26 pm
That's a charming idea!
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: jackie on May 07, 2010, 06:51:57 am
I hate to suggest this, because he is really cute,  but one of the classic Fox images is curled in a ball with a snout either over or under the tail.   

Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Kyria on May 07, 2010, 09:00:43 am
If/when I make a second type, I'll do a curled up fox.  I do love curled up foxers. 
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: lovingcrew on May 07, 2010, 08:35:20 pm
What if you made the stag standing on an incline?  As if it is climbing a mountain, one foreleg on higher ground and his head tilted up like someone else mentioned.  That would make the base stand out from the others.  You could even make the base triangular instead of rounded!  These are all gonna look so cool when they're done!  Oh man, I think I need to calm down . .  bOuNcY lol


Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Kyria on May 07, 2010, 09:06:04 pm
Momentarily I will have some photos uploaded with my idea for the stag.  Basically, I suck at ungulates (that's hoofed animals, for you non-biology types out there).  His legs and neck are too short, and he is, in general, too big.  But basically, I needed some way to fill in under his belly to make him more stable.  Oh, and I haven't done antlers yet, obviously. 

OK here they are (with the fox for size comparison... he's shiny cause he's got sealer on him so the mold won't stick):
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3312/4587835683_0a6c475206.jpg)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4001/4587835073_f82519d6cc_b.jpg)

Also, someone up thread was wishing they could see me work.  Now, I can't quite manage that, but I can attempt a play-by-play of the process.  First, I start with a ball of clay!

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4002/4587834843_e6682f0e0b.jpg)

Mmm, and somebody was wondering about how many pieces there are.  When I was reading this time, I noticed that Rialla refers to most of the pieces in singular tense, so I'm guessing each player only has one owl, one dragon, one fox, and so on.  She refers specifically to two mushrooms: "she moved one of her mushrooms" and a bit later " she poisoned his frog with her other mushroom." 
That sounds to me like each player only has two mushrooms and one of the other pieces, instead of a bunch of mushrooms like we originally thought. 
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Janilee on May 08, 2010, 06:52:14 am
Which means you could do four types of mushrooms. So each side could have two different mushrooms.  LOL
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Patti L. on May 08, 2010, 08:17:56 am
Or - sorry, my mind works this way - the mushrooms could be like pawns in chess; you start out with several (8 pawns) and can have them 'taken' by the other side.
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: jackie on May 08, 2010, 08:25:07 am
The start on the stag is pretty good.  The line of the throat looks right.
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Patti L. on May 08, 2010, 08:43:52 am
You're not the only one to be stuck with that "what do I do about the hollow under the body?" issue.  Classically a stump or boulder is under there, or it could be a dog or wolf attacking it.


Just had an odd thought.  I was trying to think of a different way out of that, and thought "if it was a doe instead of a stag, it could be a fawn, or even two, nursing, go fill that space, with ferns or grass."

Fine, but what if there should be a doe to match each stag?  Like there are king & queen, 2 each bishops, rooks, and knights, what if there are stag and hind, male & female frog, (or frog and toad - or snake!), dog fox and vixen, and two types of owl, like that?
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: jackie on May 08, 2010, 09:03:16 am
I think someone needs to reconstruct the rules for the game before you get too many pieces out there.  I think I remember about the 2 mushrooms.   We could start with what is in the book, and then go from there, since Patty doesn't remember.  Thematically, sneakiness is encouraged, if not caught.  How big is the board?  Is it all squares?  triangles or other shapes could make it trickier, or easier to be tricky. It's turn based, but what defines a turn? Do diffierent pieces have different moves like chess, or all the same like checkers.  What are the limits on how a piece can move?  Is there a set interaction between different pieces, such as dragon stomps on mushroom, mushroom poisons fox, fox eats sparrow...

We should probably start by listing all the points we can get from the book.
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Patti L. on May 08, 2010, 09:06:07 am
And from chats; I think Mr. Mike mentioned that it did start from a chess board.
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Kyria on May 08, 2010, 02:41:08 pm
Yes, I seem to remember someone of authority observing that the board is basically a chessboard. 

Anybody who wants to see what you can find in the books about rules, please do so!  My impression, like I said, was that it was one of each type of animal (like I said, Rialla refers to them singularly, and not as "one of my foxes," as I would imagine if there were a pair of each animal.  I like the pairs idea, and it would work as a game goes... but I don't see it as the way the game goes in the book), and two mushrooms, per side, so for now, that's what I'll mock up, and once I've got a set made, I'll see what I can do with any rules people have gleaned and put here, my own creativity, and if Patty gives us any additional ideas, and try to make up a workable game. My impression is that each piece has its own type of move, for instance, I would probably off the top of my head make the dragon move similar to the king in chess: one space at a time, any direction. 

But I'm hoping somebody else will step in and do that part. 

OK, regarding the stag.  I took another look at him this morning and decided that the biggest reason I didn't like him, was his back was too long.  So I did some tweaking and I like him much better now.  I don't know if you will even be able to tell in the photo, I guess, but I shortened his back by just under 1/4" and he's better proportioned now.  Still kind of stocky, but for the sake of structural integrity... He's still one of the biggest pieces (the dragon should be a similar size, and the fox is 1/8 inch taller) but better. 
Anyways, I added antlers, hope y'all like him. 

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4072/4589740781_444c4f0701.jpg)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4033/4590360484_b430a089f0_b.jpg)

Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: ArtAngel on May 08, 2010, 02:42:52 pm
Hmm, I've been thinking or rereading soon, so maybe I will for sure and take notes as I go.


I really like the stag!
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Janilee on May 08, 2010, 02:44:06 pm
Love the texturing on his throat. Antlers look a bit stylized, but not in a bad way at all.

Like him sitting next to the fox kit.  :D
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Varg on May 09, 2010, 03:49:22 am
I like the stag a lot. :)
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Kyria on May 10, 2010, 11:45:37 am
OK so, thus far I've made two wolves, both of which are way too big (but I'm getting closer!)... so they didn't get too much as far as detail work, but anyway.
Hopefully the next one will be the final. 
So before I start it, I wanted to share the first two with everyone and get some input on the final pose. 
The first one I built, I did the wolf slightly crouched and howling.  I wouldn't do the crouched pose for a final product, but I could do a seated, howling wolf. 
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3305/4595888337_e2d3e80a9e_b.jpg)
The second one I built is running.  It wound up leaned too far back and needs a slightly larger base, both of which are easy fixes, but properly it ought to have its tail streaming behind it (http://www.zianet.com/bluedome/artist/WilliamShumway/runningwolfthumb.JPG) but A) that would make it WAY easy to break off, B) that takes up too much horizontal space, and C) I'm not sure I want to risk having to stretch the mold that much more.  So the tail is down.  Maybe this wolf is throwing on the breaks for some reason?
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1064/4596505262_ea629e4e0d_b.jpg)

so which should I do?  Granted, eventually I may wind up with one of each (one for the "white" side of the board, one for the "black" side) but for now, I need to make a choice. 
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Janilee on May 10, 2010, 11:47:39 am
I like the wolf in motion.  :D
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: jackie on May 10, 2010, 12:21:25 pm
I like the wolf in motion, but I think he is stopping short, like you said.  And the tail has to be down for technical and practical reasons.  sigh.   But the seated, howling wolf could be really neat as well.  Very nice howl, BTW.  I think I like that best.
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: CarolKat on May 11, 2010, 02:07:02 pm
I like the howl as well, though the one in motion is pretty neat too. :)
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: ArtAngel on May 11, 2010, 10:23:28 pm
What if you had the tail curved around the haunches so it looks like he is stopping abruptly and no pieces are breakable?
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Kyria on December 02, 2010, 08:22:24 pm
Thought I'd mention here that as I've been having trouble with pouring casts from the molds, I've put that one on hold.

But the other day I bought a book about how to carve birds (I already have a set of wood carving tools my parents got me for clay work) and I thought, "I need to start with something smaller and less detailed." 

So I'm now working on a smaller, carved wooden set.  It's a more stylized design, more in keeping with a chess set.  I've done a snake for each side of the board, a rat for each side of the board, and a pair of "mushrooms" that I don't really like and need a re-design. 
Oh and a cat for each side of the board, because for some reason I was sure there was a cat piece and there totally isn't.  So, I have two tiny, stylized, hand-carved wooden cats without any purpose... extra carving practice, I guess...
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Janilee on December 02, 2010, 08:24:33 pm
So, maybe in your version of the game there are cat pieces, like wildcards!
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Eccentric_Rose on December 02, 2010, 08:27:44 pm
     Those molds look awesome !!!
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Kyria on December 02, 2010, 08:52:38 pm
The molds look awesome, but they're too small and detailed for the type of modeling stuff I'm pouring, so they aren't working, unfortunately.

I'm also trying to come up with a set of rules that we can test and modify, and then maybe have a tournament via private message and Games and Trivia portion of the board. 

As for the cats, I'm actually thinking that I could paint them like Henry and Gus and give them to my friends for Christmas tree ornaments.  Though I may keep them as part of my game or another game (I'd like to do a regular chess set, too. 
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Eccentric_Rose on December 02, 2010, 08:56:32 pm
     You could always sneak me in a Christmas gift. ;D
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Kyria on December 02, 2010, 09:07:45 pm
Well maybe I'll do a Hurog giveaway for them.  We'll see. 
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Eccentric_Rose on December 02, 2010, 09:12:04 pm
Yay!!
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Patti L. on December 02, 2010, 09:23:54 pm
Oh, the carved wooden cats would totally go with the "Second Chance" writing challenge!  If you wanted to give them to the top finisher for each round of that....
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Kyria on December 02, 2010, 10:15:13 pm
Good point.  I might do that, too... hmm, choices, choices. 
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Kyria on March 02, 2011, 10:29:44 pm
So, I have been diligently working, and as I got to meet Patty today, I presented her with this:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5171/5493255881_00caa6677e.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21518101@N03/5493255881/)

I only made two mushrooms per side, and I was going for "stylized morel" so they kind of look more like, "wonky square-based pyramid."  Trust me.  They're mushrooms.  :P
The snake pieces were the second pieces I made, and they maintain the highly stylized design. 
The other animals tend to be more immediately recognizable, although the rats look like mice and the foxes... well I'm going to claim that they're arctic foxes, and THAT is why their ears are so tiny and noses are too short.  I finished the foxes and the stags last night, so I didn't really have time to re-do any pieces that I wasn't totally happy with. 

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5019/5493254095_1d380fd125.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21518101@N03/5493254095/)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5138/5493253779_bf46a2364f.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21518101@N03/5493253779/)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5299/5493253433_b254d575d6.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21518101@N03/5493253433/)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5176/5493846828_b72bc78274.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21518101@N03/5493846828/)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5135/5493252693_92b6ec35d9.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21518101@N03/5493252693/)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5092/5493846146_a3a715ab44.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21518101@N03/5493846146/)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5060/5493845738_fdf54649ba.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21518101@N03/5493845738/)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5180/5493251649_3b7160ccac.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21518101@N03/5493251649/)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5100/5493251399_35255894e9.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21518101@N03/5493251399/)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5091/5493251211_d41d92270f.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21518101@N03/5493251211/)

Patty, if the game is supposed to have more mushrooms or any other pieces, or if you'd like one of the pieces to be different, let me know and I'd be happy to provide them for you.  I've got about two feet of square dowel left. 
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Eccentric_Rose on March 03, 2011, 05:43:52 am
WoW! Those are awesome!  :-LOVE :-LOVE :-LOVE
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Patti L. on March 03, 2011, 06:28:21 am
Looks like a stylized set that might be carved out by someone on their own rather than a professional carver, to me.
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Elle on March 03, 2011, 07:59:56 am
Really nice job, Kyria. Lovely little artisan piece of work.
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: Varg on March 03, 2011, 08:30:57 am
Nice job Kyria! I like. Now we just need rules for the game. 9)
Title: Re: Steal the Dragon game
Post by: CarolKat on March 04, 2011, 04:35:15 am
Beautiful Kyria! I am sure Patty loved it!  :) :)