August 25, 2007 Chat
7:00:57 Patty Hello :)7:00:58 Evil By Bujold. They don't really get into the technology of either.
7:00:59 Janilee I'll look into it
7:01:10 life06 i read that it's great
7:01:11 Evil And by 'don't really get into' I mean they mention the words. And that's it.
7:01:15 Cole hi patty
7:01:18 Vagabond joins Main
7:01:23 Janilee Hello Patty
7:01:25 Patty Hey Cole
7:01:31 Patty Welcome all :)
7:01:39 Vagabond Good evening!
7:01:40 Patty Sorry about the sudden reschedule.
7:01:40 Evil Hello, everyone I haven't said hello to yet.
7:01:57 Patty I had a booksigning yesterday, and Mike forgot about it
7:02:01 Janilee We made it.
7:02:09 Patty Cool :)
7:02:24 Patty Hello everyone
7:02:30 roxy hi
7:02:39 Patty Welcome to the first chat after On the Prowl
7:02:46 Cole yes
7:03:01 Janilee Thank you
7:03:15 Patty My Internet is just a little slow, so if I suddenly drop out -- it might be that our wireless has gone out again.
7:03:32 Evil So it turns out if you pick a nickname with a space in it it just gives you the name before the space.
7:03:45 Evil I felt the urge to explain that I didn't intend to be simply Evil tonight.
7:03:49 Patty I was very happy with this anthology - I enjoyed all the stories
7:03:55 Patty Evil is cool :)
7:04:05 Janilee Have to leave technology problems
7:04:11 Evil Aw.
7:04:12 Patty However I think you can change your name
7:04:17 Patty Take care Janilee
7:04:51 Patty When I first got my ARC the first thing I did was read everyone else's stories.
7:05:07 Patty Then I winced through a couple of bloopers that I didn't catch in edits.
7:05:32 Patty However, I am mostly pleased with Alpha and Omega
7:05:45 Patty And I'm having a ball with their first book
7:06:07 Patty For those of you who want Mercy Garage T-shirts, we should have them sometime next week.
7:06:07 Cliodhna joins Main
7:06:24 Cliodhna hey patty, sorry i'm late
7:06:36 Patty Welcome :)
7:07:10 life06 I loved Alpha and Omega Patty it was great! I 've read it over and over again
7:07:19 Patty Thank you :)
7:07:39 Cliodhna I enjoyed it as well; i passed it off to a friend of mine, who doesn't read a lot of werewolf stuff, and she loved it
7:08:19 Patty I'm having a lot of fun with Charles, who doesn't quite know how to handle the sudden change in his life, though he's enjoying it.
7:08:45 Patty I also had to do a little research in snowshoing, which is fun. In August.
7:09:31 Patty Do you have any questions you'd like to ask?
7:09:39 Cole Well lets get the ball rolling, again the rules are that questions are asked in order of the people on the side pane. Are we going to be able to know more about jesse's boyfriend's (his name slips my mind) personal life?
7:09:59 Patty Gabriel? Yes.
7:10:19 Patty He's due some more pages in the next few books.
7:10:40 Cole Yay
7:10:46 Patty Not much about his personal life in Iron Kissed, but I'm sure more will come up.
7:11:02 Cole Ok. Clio anything?
7:11:14 Cliodhna yes, sorry
7:11:15 Cliodhna :-)
7:11:30 Cliodhna Where do we go to get the Mercy shirts? I missed that part of the talk...
7:11:55 Patty We haven't figured that out yet, though we will certainly let everyone know.
7:11:57 Patty For those of you who want Mercy Garage T-shirts, we should have them sometime next week.
7:12:10 life06 Will we get to know more about Mercy's father and his side of the family?
7:12:40 Patty I'm pretty sure that her father doesn't have any close family.
7:12:42 Patty Not immediately.
7:12:54 Patty wow. That posted backwards.
7:12:58 Janilee joins Main
7:13:13 GreyDrakkon joins Main
7:13:25 Patty It makes more sense if the "Not Immediately" comes first.
7:13:26 Cole hello Amy
7:13:27 GreyDrakkon sorry I'm late!
7:13:36 Patty Welcome :)
7:13:37 GreyDrakkon I was busy getting daisy fresh for everyone. ;)
7:13:51 Cole your turn Evil
7:13:58 Patty
7:14:01 Evil Why thank you.
7:14:19 Evil Er... not t be the first to nitpick... but well, I'm gonna be the first to nitpick
7:14:30 Patty Go right ahead :)
7:14:50 Evil Warning, I spoil quite a lot of the Raven Duology with my question.
7:15:04 Patty Okay. I've read it already.
7:15:16 Patty Everyone who hasn't can close their eyes.
7:15:18 Cole we know Patty
7:15:43 Evil If Bards are immune to illusion, how is it that Tier saw Willon age all those years?
7:15:44 Evil rofl
7:16:16 Patty There's an answer for this . . . but I can't remember it! Argh. Give me a second.
7:16:17 Evil Since I'm 'evil' perhaps I should instead cacle.
7:16:24 Evil ...cackle. computer hates me tonight.
7:16:54 Patty I don't think he aged much.
7:17:25 Patty I seem to remember trying not to make a big point of the fact that he wasn't aging.
7:17:36 Patty It's coming back to me slowly.
7:17:44 Cole i think it is if you dont believe in an illusion it is dispelled but he truly believed willon aged. does that sound right patty?
7:18:16 Patty I'm going to go back and read them and give you a real answer on the "Ask Patty"
7:18:25 Cole so the illusion was as sound as a rock
7:18:30 Evil Kewl, danke.
7:18:37 Patty In the forums.
7:18:53 Patty So give me a day or two - and then bug me if I don't get it done.
7:19:02 Patty Evil stimied me.
7:19:02 Cole Evil as a reminder i would go post in the forums
7:19:10 Evil Well except that he didn't disbelieve master mage guy at Collosus, and saw through it anyway.
7:19:23 Evil Perchance I shall.
7:19:26 Patty You are right, Evil.
7:19:35 Cole the houses were illusions
7:19:41 Patty I need to reread and figure it out.
7:19:41 Evil Sorry. I feel bad now. And, well... evil.
7:19:51 Cole and they were not dispelled
7:19:58 Patty
7:20:10 Cole yes there is
7:20:10 Patty I'll add in Cole's comments about the houses.
7:20:29 Patty I had this all worked out at the time -- but it's been a couple of years since I worked on them.
7:20:46 Evil S'fine. So... roxy next, right?
7:21:13 roxy Thanks, will we see more or Leah in the upcoming books?
7:21:47 Patty Absolutely. I like Leah. She's one of those foil characters who really show others in a different light.
7:22:17 Patty She doesn't like either of Bran's sons or Mercy.
7:22:25 Patty Which makes her fun to play off.
7:22:32 roxy Great. Really?
7:22:42 Patty Absolutely.
7:22:45 Cole i thought she was warming up to mercy
7:22:59 Patty Before or after she tried to eat her?
7:23:13 Cole after
7:23:18 Patty Maybe you mean Honey?
7:23:33 Evil ...Which is Leah again?
7:23:42 Cole wow i hate names and the troubles they give
7:23:46 Patty Leah hates Mercy -- she's Bran's mate.
7:23:55 Patty We haven't seen much of her yet.
7:23:58 Cole yes srry i meant Honey
7:24:05 Patty We see more of Honey, too :)
7:24:08 Evil That's what I thought. I hadn't remembered she hated her step-sons.
7:24:13 Cole Leah is Bran's mate
7:24:30 Patty You only find out how she feels about them in Iron Kissed.
7:24:41 Patty Bleh he he he.
7:24:49 Evil GASP. Spoilie. ::dies::
7:24:59 roxy seconded
7:25:08 Patty Woops. Not Iron Kissed. The new Anna and Charles book which has no name right now.
7:25:10 GreyDrakkon hehh
7:25:21 Cole ahhhhhhh
7:25:44 Cole
7:26:09 Patty You'll see a lot more of the Montana pack in the Anna and Charles book.
7:26:34 Patty Which is fun because the Marrok collects the problem children near him, where he can deal with them.
7:27:15 Cole ok
7:27:25 Patty Anyway . . . Vagabond? Did you have a question?
7:27:53 Vagabond That'll have to be a very interesting pack then. Hmm, not a question yet, though I do have a comment - or compliment, whichever.
7:28:16 Cole shoot
7:28:22 Patty Go ahead :) Comments are welcome. Compliments make me do happy dances.
7:28:38 Patty Which embarrass my daughter.
7:28:41 Vagabond I really adored the outlook you took on what a werewolf Omega is, I love when things step out of their tight little box of how it HAS to be.
7:29:04 Patty Me too
7:29:25 Patty If I'd known I was going to write a series with these characters I might not have done it though.
7:29:46 Patty Omegas are very rare -- and powerful in their own right.
7:30:04 Patty Which means that I'm skating near Mary-Sue territory.
7:30:14 Vagabond They seem it. In personality alone, by the end of the short story how she had bounced back despite three years of virtually being tortured to act a different way.
7:30:14 Evil ::must sleep now... night all::
7:30:21 Vagabond Buuuut maybe Charles did some healing there too, ho hum.
7:30:25 Patty So it's probably a good thing I didn't know this was going to be a series.
7:30:35 GreyDrakkon only if the omega was named "Sally Criggs" or something. ;)
7:30:39 Cole nighty
7:30:54 Patty Yep. And Charles has his own issues. Which you'll see in the books.
7:31:01 Evil Evil quit
7:31:17 Patty He's not a natural killer -- but that's been his job for a long time.
7:31:17 Patty Good night Evil :)
7:31:54 Cliodhna so he's turned into one?
7:31:57 Cliodhna oops, sorry
7:32:21 Patty Right. It was a job that needed doing and he was the only one who could.
7:32:32 Patty Bran had other things to do.
7:32:38 Patty Samuel is a healer.
7:32:44 Cole like watch mercy
7:32:59 roxy Like take care of his problem pack
7:33:09 Patty
7:33:15 Vagabond Poor overworked Bran~
7:33:38 roxy I almost feel sorry for him :)
7:33:42 Cole no poor pack
7:33:45 Patty Yep. So that left Charles to put the fear of the Marrok into the packs -- Alphas do not bow down to other wolves very easily.
7:33:51 Vagabond I think his psychic abilities make up for it.
7:34:01 Cole Bran knows everything!!!!
7:34:02 Cliodhna he needs a vacation
7:34:16 Patty Bran enjoys his reputation.
7:34:43 Vagabond I can't wait for more of him, every appearance he makes has me smiling.
7:34:51 Patty And takes unholy glee in keeping people guessing.
7:35:16 Patty One of the things I like about the Anna & Charles series is that I get to play with Bran a lot more.
7:35:34 GreyDrakkon hmm, I must be the only one who doesn't trust Bran in the least
7:35:35 roxy I can't wait!
7:35:51 Patty Good instincts GreyDrakkon.
7:35:57 Patty He is driven.
7:35:59 GreyDrakkon >;D
7:36:08 Cole Amy i dont trust him either
7:36:17 GreyDrakkon I'm suspicious of those in power
7:36:25 Patty As long as you remember what he wants, then you're pretty safe.
7:36:33 Patty But don't get in his way.
7:36:38 Patty Poor Leah.
7:36:56 Patty See. I told you I'm enjoying Leah.
7:37:04 life06 whose turn is it
7:37:05 GreyDrakkon evil woman
7:37:11 Patty hehe
7:37:24 Patty Janilee's? I think.
7:37:30 GreyDrakkon yeah
7:37:31 Cliodhna Janiless i think
7:37:34 Janilee Why does Anna's calming effect seem to only work sporatically on Charles? He recognizes the effect in the apartment, then falls into feelings of rage gain.
7:37:36 Cole yes go Jan
7:37:55 Patty Charles isn't the only one to feel it.
7:37:59 Patty He just knows what it is.
7:38:18 Patty Anna's "Omega effect" is one of the reasons Jason is so abusive.
7:38:25 Patty He likes being violent.
7:38:49 Patty Leo also works to keep her afraid and closed while she is with his pack.
7:38:57 Patty Which lessens her effect.
7:39:15 GreyDrakkon like abusers who get worked up to even more violence because the person they're hurting isn't responding enough?
7:39:16 Patty However, he had her Changed, so that she could help Isabelle stay sane.
7:39:19 Patty More or less.
7:39:23 Janilee Charles doesn't seem to like being violent, it is just necessary.
7:39:26 Patty GreyDrakkon -- yes
7:39:41 Patty Janilee -- Right. Which is why he's so good at his job.
7:40:08 Patty Most werewolves, given the permission to start killing people/wolves -- keep killing them.
7:40:17 Patty And start to crave it.
7:40:43 Cole like a serial murderer or rapist
7:40:57 Patty Also Anna's effect is works more on Charles because she is his mate.
7:41:08 Patty Cole -- yes
7:41:39 Patty His wolf recognizes it immediately -- and remember Charles has a few extra powers because he is his mother's son too.
7:42:01 Patty One of those leaves him a little more open to Anna
7:42:09 Patty We'll get into that more in later books.
7:42:29 Janilee tease
7:42:38 Patty He he
7:42:46 Cole Amy go
7:43:02 Patty Looking forward to exploring these things is what makes writing so much fun.
7:43:12 GreyDrakkon o_O You're running the chat Cole?
7:43:40 Patty He's helping to keep us honest :)
7:43:48 GreyDrakkon but I'm such a liar!
7:43:51 GreyDrakkon ;D
7:43:56 Patty
7:43:57 GreyDrakkon in any case...
7:43:59 Cole >_<
7:43:59 GreyDrakkon Going back to the Raven books, is there any reason why you picked birds to represent the different classes of the travellers? Birds didn't seem to play a large part in the books, or be strong symbols in their culture. (at least from what was seen)
7:44:17 Cliodhna honesty is over-rated (said the imgainary werewolf to its creator)
7:44:37 Patty Yes. The birds are symbolic.
7:44:46 Patty Symbols are very important in fantasy.
7:45:02 Patty Especially Large Scale fantasy.
7:45:11 Patty Gems have been done.
7:45:15 Patty Even overdone.
7:45:39 Patty So I was looking for symbols and the birds just presented themselves.
7:45:59 GreyDrakkon nice
7:46:22 Patty It was pretty cool that a good friend of mine, an artist, had done a lot of scientific illustration of birds
7:46:50 Patty So I made her draw the nifty escheresque drawing in the front of the book to help readers keep track.
7:47:15 GreyDrakkon heh, I was definitely reminded of Escher. ;)
7:47:44 Patty She's an awesome artist. She's drawn a couple of my horses for me, too.
7:47:53 Cole Where did Jan go?
7:48:02 GreyDrakkon I ate her. Sorry.
7:48:10 Cliodhna lol
7:48:17 Cole youll get heartburn
7:48:17 Patty
7:48:31 Patty Cole did you have another question?
7:48:45 Janilee As far as I know I'm still here.
7:48:49 Cole i forgot ill get back to it later
7:49:08 Cole Clio your turn
7:49:09 Patty You popped in and out, Janilee :) Glad it was only for a moment!
7:49:22 Cliodhna You said Bran is driven, enjoys having the problem children around him to keep an eye on them.
7:49:30 Patty Yep
7:49:39 Cliodhna why? wouldn't it cause issues?
7:49:46 Patty Although enjoys is not probably the right word
7:49:55 Cliodhna having trouble makers in a society where emotions can get people killed?
7:50:02 Patty Right
7:50:12 Patty He can control wolves that others cannot
7:50:29 roxy like Leah
7:50:31 Patty So some of them are given the choice of moving to Montana or being killed.
7:50:36 Cliodhna even he is not infallible though...
7:50:37 Patty Some of them chose to go to Montana
7:50:45 Patty Roxy -- lol
7:51:00 Cole i remember my question
7:51:13 Patty Bran is not infallible.
7:51:40 Patty He is driven to keep the wolves in his packs, all of his packs, safe.
7:51:48 Patty Go ahead Cole.
7:52:06 Patty If that answers Cliodhna's question.
7:52:07 FH joins Main
7:52:15 Cliodhna yes
7:52:21 Cole is it possible that a were can have Split Personality Disorder with one submissive and one dominant personality
7:52:46 roxy interesting question
7:52:55 Patty Yes. It is rare. Usually if the werewolf is not mentally healthy, the wolf takes over.
7:53:14 Patty These poor wolves are killed.
7:53:19 GreyDrakkon heh, "mentally healthy werewolf" seems like an oxymoron
7:53:23 Patty Other werewolves can sense weakness.
7:53:24 Cole thats that if the man can control the wolf with both personalitys
7:53:37 Patty You'd like a mentally challenged werewolf?
7:53:46 Cole yes
7:53:49 Patty Oh, I see what you mean Cole.
7:54:07 Cole you got gay now you need mentally challenged'
7:54:07 Patty Split personality disorder is very rare in the normal human population.
7:54:21 Cole oh i know
7:54:31 Cole but it runs in my family
7:54:35 Patty In fact, there is still some debate among Psychology professionals if it actually exists
7:54:47 Cole oh it does
7:55:10 roxy I wonder how a submissive/dominant wolf would rank
7:55:12 Patty I would tend to think that a person who already is mentally ill, would not make it through the Change.
7:55:22 Patty Roxy -lol
7:55:40 Patty If the disorder developed later, the other wolves would sense it.
7:55:42 Cole not always its more physically than mentally
7:55:51 Vagabond By split personality you mean DID?
7:55:55 Cole isnt it?
7:56:07 Cole loose the acronym
7:56:19 Vagabond Dissociative Identity Disorder.
7:56:27 Vagabond Its the new term for Multiple Personality Disorder.
7:56:35 Iris101 joins Main
7:56:41 Patty Cool -- I learn something new every day.
7:56:49 Patty That'll probably show up somewhere.
7:56:51 Vagabond I'm a psychology major, haha.
7:57:07 Patty Wolves, though, in the wild are usually not very tolerant of those who are different.
7:57:09 Cole thank you didnt know that
7:57:33 Patty The only reason Warren is still alive, is that he's really, really tough.
7:57:43 Cole and DOMINANT
7:57:52 Patty Yep.
7:57:52 Cole hello Iris
7:57:59 Patty Welcome.
7:58:03 Iris101 Hi
7:58:10 Cliodhna hi Iris
7:58:14 Patty However, you've given me a lot to play with, Cole, thank you.
7:58:19 GreyDrakkon ::perches on Iris:: ;D
7:58:28 Cole your welcome
7:58:44 Patty So Life06 (which is a very cool nickname) did you have a question?
7:58:53 life06 Is Ben going to get over his dislike of women?
7:58:54 Iris101 I dont know what that means but....thanks grey
7:59:02 Cole Amy get your human body back
7:59:11 FH Hello
7:59:20 Vagabond Ben~ goodness, I like all the odd ones.
7:59:26 Patty Ben will be going through some changes -- but not that one yet.
7:59:43 GreyDrakkon (just that you're below me in the chat list, Iris. I'm being a pest.)
7:59:45 Cole followed from England?
7:59:53 Iris101 O lol
8:00:35 Patty Though Ben's getting to like Mercy more. He may forgive her for being female in future books. Or not.
8:00:51 roxy how considerate of him
8:00:55 Cole no rape no rape
8:01:02 Patty No rape.
8:01:08 Iris101 will Mercy get over not liking Ben?
8:01:09 Patty At least not by Ben.
8:01:10 Cole good
8:01:18 Patty Mercy wants to like everyone.
8:01:26 Cole WHHAT?!
8:01:50 Patty Mercy is one of those people who prefers to like everyone around her.
8:02:03 Patty So she looks for reasons to like them. Haven't you noticed?
8:02:04 Cole no not that
8:02:06 roxy or at least not get eaten by them
8:02:18 Cole At least not by Ben.
8:02:27 Patty Yes, she'd prefer not to get eaten, too.
8:02:29 Cole hello FH
8:02:29 Patty
8:02:45 Patty Hey FH welcome :)
8:02:50 Cole
8:02:58 FH Thanks!
8:03:00 roxy she didn't seem to give Honey much of a chance though
8:03:04 Cliodhna Poor Mercy. Careful Patty, she might come after you when you're sleeping for payback
8:03:35 GreyDrakkon ::snorts:: Honey acted like a total snot towards Mercy from the beginning
8:03:36 Cole id like to see mercy pop out of a book
8:03:39 Patty That's because she didn't know Honey very well. But look at the scene with Kara's dad.
8:03:42 Cliodhna Character are vengeful little monsters (at least the ones i've made)
8:04:11 Iris101 I've always liked Honey
8:04:29 Patty That aspect of Mercy isn't something I've spelled out -- just something I keep in mind.
8:04:29 Faellie joins Main
8:04:33 GreyDrakkon I hated her at first, but was very pleased to see her develop some depth
8:04:57 Cole FH any questions
8:05:07 Cole hello Faellie
8:05:17 FH No, not at the moment
8:05:25 Cole roxy?
8:05:27 Patty Okay. Vagabond?
8:05:29 Iris101 Hi Faellie
8:05:34 Patty whoops Roxy
8:05:48 Patty See. We need Cole to keep us straight!
8:05:51 roxy
8:06:08 Patty virtual hug for Roxy
8:06:26 Cole virtual caffine on me
8:06:28 Patty I was skipping over me and skipped too far
8:06:45 roxy lol
8:07:31 roxy thanks for the caffeine. will Mercy and Honey interact more in Iron Kissed?
8:07:54 Patty Yes. She and Honey have a pivotal scene.
8:08:09 Patty We also get to see more of Honey's mate.
8:08:19 GreyDrakkon woo!
8:08:26 Cole whats his name again
8:08:27 Patty (hint) Swords are very effective against fae.
8:08:41 Iris101 Even Zee?
8:08:46 roxy ooh! what?
8:08:53 Patty Actually (blush) I don't remember his name.
8:09:07 Cole bad
8:09:09 Cole \bad
8:09:10 Cole bad
8:09:12 Patty Iris -- not against Zee -- he doesn't mind metal.
8:09:17 roxy he's a plumber, right?
8:09:32 Patty Right.
8:09:44 Cole mechanic Zee is a Mechanic
8:09:46 Iris101 I thought Zee worked on cars...
8:09:51 Patty And he's one of the few submissives in Adam's pack.
8:10:06 Patty We're talking about Honey's mate, I think.
8:10:08 Iris101 Zee's a fae
8:10:12 Iris101 ooo
8:10:12 Cole
8:10:16 roxy poor Honey, yes
8:10:22 Patty Zee's a fae -- but Iron Kissed.
8:10:45 Patty Which means he not only can work metal -- it is his talent.
8:11:07 FH Then what is his weakness?
8:11:22 roxy gardening?
8:11:22 Cole oh i thought he was kissed by a golem made of iron
8:11:31 FH lol
8:11:40 Iris101 lol
8:11:52 Patty Okay. Some nice people did a lot of work on the Forum
8:11:53 Cole bye bye Jen
8:12:03 Patty So I checked. Honey's mate's name is Peter Jorgensen.
8:12:09 Patty Thank you people.
8:12:13 Cole hello Jan
8:12:30 Iris101 Hello Jan
8:12:48 Janilee Does Anna choose to agree to Charles as her mate in the as yet named book? I'm having technological rages here sorry!
8:12:51 Patty FH -- Roxy and Cole . . . rolls eyes.
8:13:04 Patty I don't know what Zee's weakness is. He'll never tell.
8:13:27 Janilee Nor should he.
8:13:30 Cole you missed Vaga
8:13:43 Patty Janilee -- actually, she mostly does it in "Alpha and Omega"
8:13:55 Janilee ah
8:13:58 Patty But yes, that is firmed up in the first book.
8:14:08 Cole Vaga it is your turn
8:14:29 Vagabond Ah, I'll pass for now! I'm so into reading this my mind's going blank on the questions!
8:14:50 Patty GreyDrakkon?
8:14:51 GreyDrakkon in that case I'll go
8:14:56 Cole Amy?
8:15:41 GreyDrakkon Zee indicated that the lords of the Fae are Bad News. Are they all like that, or is it more like internal politicking forces them to be jerks?
8:16:00 Cole the Grey lords you mean
8:16:18 Patty Most of them are not people you'd want to meet in a dark alley.
8:16:22 Patty Especially if you happen to be human.
8:16:27 GreyDrakkon ...I was trying not to show the connection between them and my name. >_>
8:16:30 GreyDrakkon >;D
8:16:42 Patty
8:16:48 Cole >_<
8:16:55 Patty I think of them as whimsically evil.
8:17:18 Patty Which means that if you annoy them, you are likely to cease to exist -- or wish that you might cease to exist.
8:17:21 GreyDrakkon Heh, I made a character named "Hooligan Fae" that was like that. ;)
8:17:28 Janilee ooooh!
8:17:46 Patty Like Bran they are driven.
8:17:55 Patty But unlike Bran, they mostly don't like anyone.
8:18:04 Patty You'll meet a couple in Iron Kissed.
8:18:09 GreyDrakkon :nods:
8:18:17 Iris101 yay
8:18:39 GreyDrakkon k, Iris you have one?
8:18:58 Cole wait lets check Fh first
8:19:48 Cole FH do you have a question yet
8:19:51 FH After Iris
8:19:58 Cole ok
8:20:04 Iris101 I'll go after you. I cant think of one
8:20:08 Cole go Iris
8:20:19 Cole ok Go FH
8:20:37 FH Actually I'm very slow
8:21:09 Cole just go or ill ask Vaga
8:21:10 FH in writing English (do I make sense?)
8:21:18 Patty No you're not. You're doing more than the rest of us: translating from Japanese to English.
8:21:26 Patty Yes you make sense
8:21:28 Cole oh yes
8:21:55 FH Yes, I want to ask about the Grey Lords
8:22:04 Patty What would you like to know?
8:22:13 GreyDrakkon oh wow FH, too bad my friend isn't here, he just got back from his trip to Japan and he's schooling to become a translator. :)
8:22:56 FH That's cool! Sorry about the question...
8:23:20 Patty No problem :)
8:23:33 Patty The Grey lords are the most powerful of the fae
8:23:39 Patty They tend to hate humans
8:23:45 Patty And weak fae
8:23:56 FH It's about the 'lord'. I know the word, of course
8:24:28 Patty Right. There is a tradition in Celtic folklore that you don't refer to the fae by their names
8:24:40 Patty You call them something complimentary
8:24:48 Patty Like "The Good Neighbors"
8:25:01 roxy Uncle Mike and Zee are considered greater fae right
8:25:22 Patty Roxy -- in the Tri Cities, yes.
8:25:27 Patty But they don't hold a candle to the Grey Lords
8:25:46 FH Thank you Patty.
8:26:01 roxy hence the overall fear and respect. gotcha
8:26:25 Patty So the "Grey Lords" is a nice way of saying "the scarey psychopaths who rule us because no one has managed to figure out how to get rid of them"
8:26:28 Cole a good example of the names is in the third story of On the Prowl
8:26:50 Patty Right.
8:26:50 roxy lol. sidhe?
8:26:52 Janilee I gathered genuine dislike for the Gray lords
8:27:10 Patty Roxy -- yep. or "the fair folk"
8:27:22 Patty Janilee -- yes. Even the other fae hate them.
8:27:27 Patty They just fear them more.
8:27:34 Cole vagaFAIRY
8:27:40 Cole sorry
8:27:49 Patty There are a few who are okay -- as long as you keep in mind that if you annoy them they are likely to kill you.
8:27:50 Cole wow im out of caffine
8:28:15 Cole vaga any questions since you passed
8:28:48 Vagabond Not yet, I'll pipe up to ask for a turn when something comes to mind. I enjoy listening.
8:28:50 Vagabond Er... reading.
8:29:00 Patty Okay Iris?
8:29:04 Cole ok thats fine
8:29:22 Cole bye bye Jan
8:29:38 Patty I think she'll show up again :)
8:29:39 Iris101 Since Sam and Adam have both declared Mercy as their mate, then when she picks one what will happen to the other?
8:29:48 Cole Hello welcome back Jan
8:30:06 Janilee Just a blink in the system
8:30:14 Patty By tradition, he should just bow out. Of course people are people.
8:30:25 Patty I should probably say, by law.
8:30:30 Patty not tradition.
8:30:43 Cole we havent been told about Adam's wolf on this
8:30:50 Patty For Samuel and Adam, specifically, you'll have to read the book
8:30:56 Cole just adam the human
8:31:10 Patty Cole, that's right. Because Mercy doesn't know.
8:31:16 Patty Iron Kissed will change that.
8:31:28 Cole though we do know about Sammy
8:31:28 Cliodhna hum...
8:31:34 Iris101 Im lost
8:31:41 Cliodhna Tease!
8:31:56 Janilee ditto
8:32:08 roxy
8:32:11 Patty We know that Samuel's wolf has chosen Mercy as his mate (Moon Called)
8:32:26 Patty But Mercy doesn't know as much about Adam.
8:32:33 Patty So we don't either.
8:32:45 Patty Does that help Iris?
8:32:48 Cliodhna what about when he told Mac that mercy was 'his'?
8:32:51 Cliodhna in Moon Called
8:32:59 Cole we just know that adam considers her "territory"
8:33:07 Iris101 So you can declare somebody without actually your wolf wanting them?
8:33:09 Cliodhna out of turn, sorry
8:33:12 Cole HUMAN
8:33:23 Patty Iris -- yes.
8:33:39 Patty Though usually that's not as your mate
8:33:51 Patty Adam, being Alpha, brings some interesting twists.
8:34:01 Iris101 any hints?
8:34:11 Iris101
8:34:17 Patty Because an Alpha's "mate" is more -- and has metaphysical properties.
8:34:37 Iris101 whats metaphysical?
8:34:39 Patty But, I'll back off and tell you that yes, Adam's wolf has also made his claim.
8:35:04 Cole BAD PATTY BAD
8:35:17 Patty metaphysical/magical/supernatural/paranormal are all similar words that we authors coopt to mean whatever we want.
8:35:21 Cole THAT was a bad spoiler
8:35:24 Iris101 No thats good Cole
8:35:31 GreyDrakkon ppfft, hardly a surprize
8:35:38 Cole no it ruins it
8:35:45 Patty Actually, if you read between the lines, I thought it was pretty clear in the books :)
8:35:50 Janilee I rather enjoyed it!
8:35:56 Cliodhna how? i'm still sitting here, drooling over the need to know who
8:35:58 Iris101 me too
8:36:02 Cliodhna she picks
8:36:05 Cole i thought it was iffy
8:36:16 Cliodhna Patty is a champion teaser
8:36:22 Patty And I don't think Adam could have claimed her as his mate -- without the wolf in agreement -- even though Mercy didnt' know it at the time.
8:37:01 Iris101 So can you tell us what'll happen to the other when Mercy chooses?
8:37:13 Cole no i thought it would be more like the the marriage thing if it was human side that claimed
8:37:24 Patty Nope. That'll give too much away.
8:37:53 Iris101 ok
8:38:00 Patty Cole. Right. The usual way it works is the human picks and then gradually the wolf agrees -- or not. In which case he is married -- but not mated.
8:38:19 Patty Faellie did you have a question?
8:38:25 Faellie Hi. Thanks. Patty, do the public know how old wolves can get? And about their "eternal youth"? And does Kyle know how old Warren is?
8:38:41 Cole but in human terms Mated and Married can be interchanged can they not?
8:38:45 Faellie Sorry. That's three questions. can I get away with that?
8:39:12 Patty Faellie. At the point where we ended Blood Bound, the public only knows what Bran wants them to.
8:39:42 Patty And he doesn't want them scared, so, no the public doesn't know how old they can be.
8:39:46 Faellie Not much, then
8:40:11 Patty The eternal youth thing is imperically observable, so people figure it out.
8:40:25 Patty And yes, Kyle knows how old Warren is (by Blood Bound).
8:40:56 Patty Right, Faellie, they don't know a lot. But Bran is more concerned at hiding the violence rather than the immortality.
8:40:58 Faellie OK thanks. I just wonder what his reaction was to finding out his lover is 100 years old?
8:41:19 Patty The immortality is rather mute, for most wolves anyway. As they kill themselves off.
8:41:41 GreyDrakkon moot?
8:41:51 Patty Kyle was still trying to deal with the werewolf part . . . the 100 years+ old was just a footnote
8:41:52 Faellie His = Kyle not Bran. I need to get the hang of this chat thing
8:42:18 Patty Yep, Grey moot. although I've never seen immortality talk . . . sigh.
8:42:31 GreyDrakkon very true
8:42:39 Cole lol
8:43:02 Iris101 me either....
8:43:14 Janilee ,giggle>
8:43:28 Patty As my daughter likes to point out . . .Its a good thing I have editors
8:43:45 Patty Cole, I think we're back to you?
8:44:17 Cole but in human terms Mated and Married can be interchanged can they not?
8:45:02 Cole its back to the earlier conversation
8:45:10 Patty I'm not sure exactly what you are asking. Most humans I know wouldn't use the term "mated". If a wolf is "married" but not mated, his marriage is just like a humans.
8:45:40 Patty and the wolf can, for instance, go cheat on his wife.
8:45:55 Patty if he is "mated", his wolf will not allow that kind of behavior.
8:45:57 Faellie a spouse can be divorced, a mate would have to be killed?
8:46:08 Patty Right, Faellie
8:46:12 Cole yes
8:46:29 Cole Clio
8:46:33 Cole ?
8:46:39 Cliodhna do the families know that their cousin/son/daughter is now a werewolf? such as Adam's mom (if she's still alive and they're speaking), do we see how the family handles it? Outside of the man who asked for Mercy's help in Blood Bound.
8:47:19 Patty Sometimes families know. Bran's rules say immediate family is okay.
8:47:26 Patty In Aspen Springs, of course, all the humans know.
8:47:41 Patty From pack to pack that can vary (although it shouldn't)
8:47:43 Cole Mercy's mother for instance
8:47:52 Patty Anna was told that she could not tell her family.
8:47:52 Cliodhna or old army buddies? (going back to Adam here)
8:48:10 Patty Right, Mercy's mother knew about her great/great uncle.
8:48:39 Patty No. Friends couldn't be told (outside of Aspen Springs)
8:48:42 Cole thats how mercy "had" a pack
8:49:00 Patty However, once the werewolves came out, it was mostly up to the individual wolves.
8:49:01 Cliodhna i'm wondering how the public is handling it, when we see them, it's like its something they're accepting without a lot of issue.
8:49:14 Cliodhna save for the substitute minister at Mercy's church.
8:49:16 Patty Just wait. Evil grin.
8:49:37 Patty Right now, all that the humans know about is the good side.
8:49:51 Patty The firemen, the army rangers who save their buddies.
8:49:53 Cliodhna But- I don't do patience well.
8:49:54 Janilee and tradition
8:50:08 Patty Janilee -- right.
8:50:18 Patty And there are some things stirring . . .
8:50:37 Patty The fae are Not happy about the wolves -- though I don't deal with that much in Iron Kissed.
8:50:42 Janilee or else why write a book?
8:50:52 Patty
8:50:55 GreyDrakkon I can't imagine the evangelical right taking werewolves calmly
8:51:15 Patty Me neither. Not even if Mother Teresa turns out to be a werewolf
8:51:26 Cliodhna lol
8:51:27 roxy why would they fae care what the wolves did?
8:51:45 Cole i cant imagine a priest with a .444 marlin loaded for were in his hand
8:51:52 Patty Because they'd just gotten the humans to calm down about the fae.
8:51:53 Havenlystarrs joins Main
8:52:03 Cliodhna
8:52:06 life06 joins Main
8:52:09 Patty They're worried that the wolves revelation will stir up problems again.
8:52:09 Cole hello Havenly
8:52:11 GreyDrakkon then you haven't been to Texas. :P
8:52:16 Iris101 Hi haven
8:52:17 Havenlystarrs I forgot there was a chat tonight
8:52:18 Cliodhna sorry, Sheriff Priest got my funny bone
8:52:40 Patty Grin. I've known a few in Montana, too.
8:52:44 Janilee Hello
8:52:49 Kelsey joins Main
8:52:58 Kelsey hey
8:53:00 Patty Welcome new folks :)
8:53:01 Cole hello Kesly
8:53:08 Cole Kelsey
8:53:12 Cole *
8:53:23 Kelsey i was reading my copy of mooncalled today and found something that confused me
8:53:27 Cole \life?
8:53:40 Patty What's that Kelsey?
8:53:41 Cole youll have to wait kelsey
8:53:41 Kelsey no
8:53:42 life06 yes
8:53:53 Kelsey oh wait
8:54:07 Patty Right. Okay. How about I'll stay on for one more round all the way through.
8:54:13 Cole nope we go in order by names on the list
8:54:21 Patty So that means it's Cliodhna's turn.
8:54:31 Cole no it is Life
8:54:38 Patty Okay.
8:54:42 Cliodhna When do we get the excerpt from Iron Kissed?
8:54:45 life06 I was wondering if we will ever get to find out about the conversation in Moon Called between Adam and Samuel?
8:54:46 Cliodhna damn, sorry
8:55:02 Patty October, Clio (that's a fast one)
8:55:17 Cliodhna sweet!
8:55:20 Kelsey patricia briggs once wrote that women werewolves aren't allowed to be loners (i can'
8:55:32 Patty Nope. Some things are private guy things. And Mercy doesn't get to know -- neither do I.
8:55:35 Kelsey ugh sorry!! i will wait-i was typing ahead
8:56:02 Cole kelsey forgivin
8:56:03 Patty That's cool :)
8:56:43 Cole FH
8:56:45 Cole ?
8:56:47 FH Did Adam love his ex-wife? (I forget her name...)
8:56:55 Faellie I'm off (4am here in England). thanks Cole thanks Patty
8:57:01 Patty FH -- Adam did. His wolf didn't like her.
8:57:11 Cole your welcome
8:57:12 Iris101 that would suck
8:57:14 Cliodhna how did he manage the guilt from that?
8:57:19 Cliodhna sorry, not my turn, bad Clio
8:57:23 Cliodhna bad bad bad
8:57:32 Havenlystarrs lol
8:57:33 FH Bye Faellie
8:57:51 Cole Bye faellie
8:57:51 Patty By Faellie
8:58:01 Patty Adam got screwed up by his divorce, just like most people do.
8:58:18 Patty It's taken him a while to get over it.
8:58:21 Cole Remember you can always ask on the forums
8:58:32 Patty Yep. Forums are good.
8:58:59 Cole roxy?
8:59:34 roxy What kind, if any, metaphysical abilities do humans get from mating with Alphas?
9:00:39 Patty I'm not entirely certain at this point.
9:00:45 Patty They will have a link with their mate (all mates do -- we'll explore that in the Anna &Charles books for sure)
9:01:02 Iris101 Do they have rank in the pack?
9:01:02 Cole Yay
9:01:05 Patty And through that link they'll have some connection with the pack.
9:01:40 roxy enough to keep them alive when their mate isn't around
9:01:40 Patty I suppose it depends upon the human woman. -- as far as rank -- a human is never part of the pack.
9:01:51 Patty Whoops. I'm wrong.
9:02:20 Patty Roxy -- yes
9:02:37 Patty I'll have to go do some reading to make sure I know about human mates of Alphas.
9:02:45 Iris101 lol
9:02:49 Patty I think they are part of the pack.
9:03:03 Patty In which case, yes, they do take their rank from the Alpha.
9:03:14 roxy like Mercy
9:03:20 GreyDrakkon that'd be a power trip
9:03:35 Patty However, in my (limited) experience, human mates of Alphas tend to stay away from the pack.
9:03:37 GreyDrakkon moved up from "potential food" to "alpha"
9:03:38 Cole Vaga?
9:03:59 Patty Werewolves are scary. GreyDrakkon - yep. Quite a change.
9:04:12 roxy good place to be if you ask me
9:04:27 Patty Not food is always good.
9:04:30 Iris101 lol definately
9:04:32 Cole bye Jan
9:04:34 Cliodhna lol
9:04:57 Patty (I bet Jan will be back --again
9:05:02 roxy yup
9:05:04 Cole Vaga anything?
9:05:16 roxy she'll be back
9:05:17 Iris101 and shes back
9:05:25 roxy lol
9:05:56 Cole Janilee before you comepletely go ask your question
9:06:29 Cole i think her connection is failing
9:06:41 Patty Too late :) Let's have one from GreyDrakkon and then I'll go back and see if Vagabond has a question then Janilee
9:07:01 Cole ok thats fine
9:07:03 GreyDrakkon Geek question. Have you/do you play any role playing games? ;)
9:07:22 Patty Yes. I played a lot of D&D until I started writing.
9:07:43 GreyDrakkon woot
9:07:51 Cole YAY
9:07:53 Patty Then I discovered the joy of making my victims. . . er characters do what I wanted them to. No more clever traps walked by.
9:07:56 Iris101 lol
9:07:57 Kelsey thats funny
9:07:58 Cole i like D&D
9:08:21 Kelsey its funny because i have friends into games like that
9:08:25 Patty Writing is the perfect addiction for the control freak. Once I found it, I never looked back.
9:08:45 Vagabond Don't mind me, sorry. I don't have one yet -- in response to the big bold I noticed there!
9:08:49 Patty Vagabond do you have a question yet?
9:08:51 GreyDrakkon aww, you just didn't know how to roll your dice then...Behind a screen so you could lie. :D
9:08:55 Cole but not good for a perfectionist
9:09:00 Patty
9:09:19 Patty Grey -- probably. But those darn players kept doing it wrong!
9:09:33 Patty In books I can punish them properly for misbehavior.
9:09:37 Patty
9:09:47 Iris101 lol
9:09:51 Patty Iris?
9:09:56 Cliodhna hehe
9:09:59 Cole 0_o
9:10:02 Patty Do you have a question, I meanT
9:10:02 Iris101 ummm...nope
9:10:13 Cole Jan?
9:10:18 Janilee I love technology. Having told Anna That she is now Barren, has Charles considered using the magic that kept him alive?
9:10:38 Patty It killed his mother. He'd rather she not know about it.
9:10:48 Patty That is an issue that they'll have to deal with.
9:10:59 Patty Not in the current book, but it's coming.
9:11:03 roxy but she should already.
9:11:19 Iris101 Death? Or children? I think that would be an easy answer
9:11:21 Cole what bout invetro fertilization and let some one else carrie the child
9:11:22 Patty Roxy -- should already what?
9:11:43 Patty Ah, I see. Yes, she knows About it. but not how to do it.
9:11:50 roxy the story of the Marrok and his Indian Maden
9:11:53 Patty Cole -- that is an option.
9:11:57 roxy Maiden, not maden
9:12:22 Patty Especially once the wolves have come out to the public.
9:12:40 Patty Right Roxy, sorry for the confusion.
9:12:52 GreyDrakkon (what's wrong with adoption, people!)
9:12:54 roxy no problem :)
9:13:24 Janilee just hard on human children
9:13:29 Patty Charles would not help Anna have his child. Adoption is expensive, exhausting and . . . unlikely if it becomes known that the adoptive parents are werewolves.
9:13:33 Cole Iris? or VAGA?
9:13:39 Iris101 Vaga
9:14:00 Cole VAGABOND?
9:14:03 roxy something tells me child services would have a few reservations, when it comes to werewolves adopting
9:14:08 Patty Yep
9:14:23 Kelsey if no one else has a question can i ask mine?
9:14:25 Cliodhna "Please don't eat the children. They don't grow on trees"
9:14:33 Patty
9:14:35 roxy lol
9:14:38 GreyDrakkon what about before they came out? And with people they know? (out of order)
9:14:44 Havenlystarrs lol
9:14:53 roxy there's population control for you
9:14:58 Patty Grey -- yes. Mercy was fostered
9:14:59 GreyDrakkon heh. >;)
9:15:09 life06 i've gotta go it's getting late bye
9:15:10 Iris101 Mercy was fostered?!
9:15:15 Cole but the invetro fertilization might work and Charles a financial genius so no problemo
9:15:15 life06 life06 quit
9:15:19 Iris101 bye
9:15:29 GreyDrakkon I always thought she was more of an exception, like "hurm...dunno what to do with THIS..."
9:15:36 Patty Kelsey, go ahead.
9:15:43 Patty Adoption happens -- and it might happen for Anna and Charles. I don't know yet.
9:15:44 Kelsey okay thanks
9:15:58 Patty Bye Iris
9:16:02 Patty Thanks for coming.
9:16:06 Cole bye bye
9:16:16 Iris101 Im still here
9:16:25 Iris101 Life was the one that went
9:16:36 GreyDrakkon hehe
9:16:39 Patty Ah
9:16:48 Iris101 lol
9:16:57 Kelsey so you say that women can't be lone wolves, but in mooncalled when David is going over his expierence with Gerry he talks about a Kara and then says she wouldn't like taking orders
9:17:00 Patty GreyDrakkon -- lol I think you're right about Mercy
9:17:01 Iris101 are you so anxious to get rid of me?
9:17:06 Iris101 Just jokin
9:17:10 Patty Yep. Kara the lone wolf.
9:17:19 Kelsey okay....
9:17:20 Vagabond Eep, I'm still here. I actually got caught up explaining the book to a friend when she asked me "What's that thing you're in on the computer?"
9:17:23 Vagabond Hence my silence!
9:17:23 Patty She came up in the ask Patty on the forum
9:17:52 Patty
9:17:55 Cole VAGABOND this is your last chance!!!!! Or you will use the forums.
9:17:59 Kelsey oh okay-i just found this website so i haven't checked everything out yet
9:18:13 Patty Kara was a mistake on my part.
9:18:15 Patty However I did come up with an explanation.
9:18:24 Kelsey okay
9:18:34 roxy a decent one at that
9:18:35 Kelsey i was just checking that i wasn't going crazy
9:18:35 Vagabond I'll use the forums, my mind has gone scattered! The best I'd do is think up something random about the Dragonbones books just to talk about Oreg.
9:18:44 Vagabond But thank you for the chance! I just registered for the forums, I'm all good.
9:19:04 Cole bye Life
9:19:08 Patty She traveled A Lot. Mostly to avoid the Marrok and his European equivalents.
9:19:23 Patty I love Oreg, too.
9:19:37 Cole Havenlystarrs anything?
9:19:41 Havenlystarrs yeah
9:19:48 Vagabond Oh I adored him, I remember when I first read that book I emailed you just to tell you how much I adored him, haha.
9:19:52 Kelsey okay well thanks for the explanation, i'll look at the forums later-bye bye!!
9:19:53 Havenlystarrs don't know if it's been asked but
9:19:54 Vagabond Adored? Adore, not past tense.
9:20:15 Patty Anyway, lets say that if the Alpha's and other wolves can manage it -- female werewolves are never lone wolves -- certainly not "official" lone wolves.
9:20:17 Cole bye kelsey
9:20:27 Havenlystarrs will Mercy be trained as a walker and what impact will that have on Adam's pack and the vampire community?
9:21:07 Cole 0_o
9:21:41 Patty Walkers, like werewolves, just are. They don't really require training.
9:22:01 Iris101 I have a question when its my turn
9:22:13 Cole do you more likely mean honing of abilities
9:22:15 Havenlystarrs but in one of the books, it stated that she wasn't trained as a walker.
9:22:18 Patty However, I suspect that there will eventually be a meeting with another Walker.
9:22:19 Patty And the impact depends upon a lot of factors.
9:22:22 Havenlystarrs so i'm kind of confused
9:22:26 Patty The vampires already don't like her.
9:22:41 Patty She thinks she needs training.
9:22:41 Havenlystarrs i got ya. . .thanks patty
9:23:03 Cole Iris itll have to wait or ask the forums Havan was the last question
9:23:04 Patty The vampires won't like her More when they find out what she has done.
9:23:10 Havenlystarrs another walker by the name of mercy's dad?
9:23:11 Havenlystarrs lol
9:23:19 Patty No, that's okay. Go ahead Iris.
9:23:28 Iris101 Why dont vampires like that Mercy can see ghosts?
9:23:46 GreyDrakkon Maybe because ghosts are big tattles. ;)
9:23:57 roxy It's how she finds their lairs
9:24:00 Patty Havenly -- Mercy's dad is dead -- resserecting him is probably not something I'll do.
9:24:03 Iris101 OOO
9:24:04 Havenlystarrs yeah. . .she can find their resting place
9:24:16 Patty Roxy's right.
9:24:16 Patty And so is Grey.
9:24:37 Patty Vampires are vulnerable during the day. They don't like it that Mercy can find them.
9:24:37 Iris101 ok thanks
9:24:41 GreyDrakkon I was just being snarky!
9:24:52 roxy well most vampires, anyway
9:24:57 Patty Okay all -- I've got to go! Hugs all around.
9:25:06 Patty See you next time!
9:25:07 GreyDrakkon thanks Patty!
9:25:09 Cliodhna good night guys, i've got a sink full of dishes waiting on me
9:25:11 Patty quit